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So apparently, San Diego is the Country's Seventh Best Pizza City

Per Travel and Leisure: http://www.travelandleisure.com/artic...

I grew up here, and I love this city, but 7th seems like a stretch. On the other hand, I now live within walking distance of 2 very good Neapolitan style pizzerias, and a fairly good New York style pizzeria. . .hmm. . .

With that said, let the flaming commence!

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  1. I suspect this list has many New Yorkers in convulsions. Oh, the embarrassment of being #3 behind Chicago and Providence.

    It is interesting that San Diego is all the way up at #7, but then again, anytime a better place has been offered up it has been one of the top 5 in that list. Maybe San Diego isn't New York for pizza, but as I scan #8 to #20 in that list, I don't see any city that I remember seeing anybody here saying was much better for pizza than San Diego.

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    1. re: RB Hound

      I feel like the only NYers that would care about these lists are those who aren't originally from the city, you know, those hepped up on Brooklyn and the LES...

      In a different view, I don't know how there could be such a list when NY, New Haven, Chicago, and St. Louis for starters all have their own versions. If they all tried to make x-style then that's slightly more understandable, but it's hopefully understood that you don't go to Staten Island looking for deep dish.

      The only thing I really give a hoot about these lists for is to get recommendations of dishes- not whether or not the dish was good/who ate there- rather, what particular ingredients are utilized to create a menu.

    2. I think 7th is about right for SD. There may not be any true gems, but between Little Italy, Hillcrest and the North Park area, there are some very very good pizza places, maybe even a few outstanding ones.

      I think both SF and LA are too low on the list.

      I think Phoenix and Seattle are notable exclusions. And where are the NY Burroughs? Brooklyn anyone??

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      1. re: ipsedixit

        Agreed that PHX deserves a spot on that list.

        1. re: ipsedixit

          *Boroughs ;-)

          (at least you didn't say burros)

        2. Strange that New Haven is not on the list, close to the top. I guess it's not much of a Travel + Leisure destination city.

          1. What were they smoking?? OOPS... I understand.. it's T&L!

            1. The Italian immigration surge in the early 20th century defined American perception of things Italian to a large extent. Pizza is no exception to this phenomenon. Since most of the immigrants were from the provinces of Campania, Callabria, and Sicily the pizza of Southern Italy became and remains the bench mark of pizza for many Americans. Interestingly, a hundred years later, the original East Coast Italian pizza, due largely to influences by other American immigrant groups, has morphed into a dish that is barely recognizable to most Italians. If by pizza you mean bread dough rolled, tossed, or machine flattened, with some "stuff" on it and cooked in an oven then San Diego could very well be #7 in the USA. If you mean the dish they eat in Italy called pizza, not so much.

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              1. re: sandiegomike

                Just out of curiosity, what seven cities in the U.S. offer a better selection of the dish they eat in Italy called pizza?
                I don't travel a lot lately, but in my experience I haven't been to many cities with a lot of pizza that strikes me as more authentic than some of SD's better spots.

                1. re: Idyllwild

                  Off the top of my head (of the cities I've been to)

                  In no particular order:

                  NYC
                  Brooklyn
                  LA
                  SF
                  Chicago
                  Boston
                  Portland
                  (maybe Phoenix and DC)

                  But like I said up above, I think 7 is about right for SD.

                  1. re: ipsedixit

                    Brooklyn is not a separate city, only a separate county.

                    1. re: JRSD

                      Same could be said for Los Angeles (county versus city) but when talking about LA people inevitably lump places like Santa Monica, Hollywood, Pasadena, etc. into the term "Los Angeles".

                      Rinse, repeat for the term "San Diego".

                      1. re: ipsedixit

                        LA and SD are the inverse of NYC, big counties with many cities vs. big city with several counties. Gerrymandering in the Pizza rankings, I tell you!

                        The last couple of times I have been in Las Vegas, I wound up having very good NY style pizza. It seems too light on Neapolitan style pies similar to Bruno or Calabria, but definitely inching upwards.

                        In placing Phoenix and DC up there is that weighted more towards the quality of the best places, the overall number of places worth going to or some combo?

                        1. re: JRSD

                          RE: Phoenix and DC. It's about quality.

                          In Phoenix for example, I think it's really about Bianco (and perhaps two other places). I think if you are a pizza afficianado you really owe it to yourself to visit Bianco at least once and decide for yourself whether Chris is a genius, or a shyster. (Just like you should visit Delfina or maybe Una in SF).

                          Agree with you totally about LV.

                          1. re: JRSD

                            Your questions illustrate why a list like this shouldn't be taken too seriously - no criteria are established. Is a city with one or two outstanding pies better than one with dozens of very good shops?
                            I find it credible that SD makes the top ten. In my area, Blind Lady Ale House makes very good Neopolitan pies (purists will argue the gas oven disqualifies them, but the ingredients are top-notch and the pizza is quite tasty.), while Bronx and Luigi do decent NY style pies, Urban does New Haven style, and Calabria and Bruno get a lot of good reviews, thought I haven't been.
                            It's worth remembering that there is plenty of mediocre pie in NY, Chicago, Providence, and, yes, Italy, too.
                            I'll buy SD at around number 7.

                            1. re: Idyllwild

                              I would buy it as well. SD is definitely not the pizza wasteland it once was, that's for sure.

                2. I haven't lived in SD for a number of years but the only good pizza I ever had there was Bronx Pizza in Hillcrest.

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                  1. re: Violatp

                    You clearly are out of the loop, then.

                    1. re: globocity

                      Admittedly so. Still interested in what goes on in San Diego, though, and so I post to the thread so it pops up in my feed. No skin off your nose.

                      1. re: Violatp

                        Nope, nose skin still in tact. The options for good pie in our city have grown so much so that we're now having this conversation. Pizzeria Bruno, Cafe Calabria, Blind Lady Ale House, and now Buona Forchetta. Next time you're in town, you have these to choose from. That's exciting, right?
                        Cheers.

                  2. This just in- Buona Forcheta one of the top 21:

                    http://eater.com/archives/2013/02/27/...

                    Have to agree.

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                    1. re: Fake Name

                      I don't exactly agree. IMHO the pizza at Bruno's and Cafe Calabria is better - the crust wasn't as well cooked at Buona Forchetta. On the other hand, the fact that the City boasts multiple Neapolitan-style pizzerias may show that Travel and Leisure weren't complete out to lunch.

                      1. re: jmtreg

                        Hey, maybe it means that we locals can quit falling on our respective swords and can say that San Diego does some culinary delight other than beer and burritos ;-)

                        1. re: DiningDiva

                          You left out fish tacos, DiningDiva.

                          1. re: RB Hound

                            You're right, but have you really every had a good fish taco in SD? I mean a good, really good fish taco...;-)

                            1. re: DiningDiva

                              My wife and I have 2 days left in SD. What would be the consensus for some of the best Napolitana style pizza not too far from downtown? We're staying on 5th avenue just north of the Gaslamp. Thanks.

                              1. re: manaloman

                                I like the pizza at Basic in the Gaslamp..across from Petco Park.

                                www.barbasic.com

                                1. re: manaloman

                                  The key here is " Neapolitan *style* " (emphasis own).

                                  So, with that said, my top 3 in/around DTSD:

                                  Sicilian Thing (North Park)
                                  Bronx Pizza (Hillcrest)
                                  Basic (Gaslamp

                                  If you are willing to drive a bit, I would check out Bruno in University Heights (NE-N of DTSD)

                                  1. re: manaloman

                                    Basic, Sicilian Thing and Bronx make good pizza, but none are even remotely Napolitan style. Try Caffe Calabria or Bruno for wood fired ovens. Blind Lady does not have a wood fired oven, but their pizza is otherwise similar to Napolitan in style.

                                    1. re: Idyllwild

                                      Thanks. I think we'll either try Basic or venture a bit further afield to Bruno's.

                        2. My question is this: Does Blue Ribbon Pizza up in lovely Encinitas count as a San Diego pizza place? And while this list is fun, you can't really take it too seriously. St. Louis is not listed, while KC and Memphis are. Yes St. Louis style pizza is kinda quirky, but it is a better pizza town than the two previously mentioned towns

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                          1. re: littlestevie

                            Maybe the people doing that list got confused and added KC and Memphis because of BBQ. I guess they would be both well suited to do BBQ pizza - something many pizza fans would find an abomination - but I digress.

                            St. Louis style pizza - quirky - I like it. That's exactly what I would call it. And it is yummy in its own way. If you order it expecting something New York style, you'll be shocked, but if you know what it is it does pretty well on its own merits.

                            I think what we need is a San Diego style pizza. Any thoughts on that? A carne asada pizza? A California burrito pizza? Or maybe go the fish route and have a fish taco pizza? How about an uni pizza? (a horrible waste of uni, I know, but...)

                            1. re: littlestevie

                              I'd say Blue Ribbon counts as "San Diego" since we also count Kaito as San Diego. Both are off the Encinitas Blvd exit and Blue Ribbon is actually South of Encinitas Blvd while Kaito is North of Encinitas Blvd...

                              1. re: karaethon

                                To me, San Diego is San Diego County.

                            2. I actually think san diego pizza is starting to overtake new york and this is coming from a new yorker. The reason is that most of the demand in nyc is for neopolitan style pizza or for 1 dollar pizza (somebody started opening up 1 dollar pizza joints on every busy corner in manhattan) so aside from old legendary pizza places like grimaldi's and john's, ny style pizza is more prevalent in other major cities trying to replicate ny style. I am a bit surprised though that grimaldi's has a chain that isn't run by the owners in bk and yet they have chains all over the country, but not in san diego.

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                              1. re: polldeldiablo

                                I dunno about San Diego being better than NYC.

                                I think of San Diego pizza as having lots of B- and B places.

                                Whereas, NYC (and Brooklyn) has lots of A places, with some B and C, and many many Ds and too many Fs.