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PB&J - Jelly in US, Jam in Canada

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golfer1 Feb 22, 2013 12:34 PM

Anyone know why the difference in the two countries. When i have had them in the US, most times it is with Jam, not Jelly, but they call it Jelly.

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    golfer1 Feb 22, 2013 12:43 PM

    For me it is crunchy peanut butter and strawberry jam. In a pinch, creamy peanut butter, but only strawberry jam will do.

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    1. re: golfer1
      jmcarthur8 Feb 22, 2013 03:59 PM

      Agreed! Anything but strawberry just doesn't seem right...

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      Kontxesi Feb 22, 2013 02:18 PM

      Peanut butter and jelly just sounds better than peanut butter and jam, I think. I (American) use raspberry jam. I'm not crazy about jellies.

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        treb Feb 22, 2013 02:35 PM

        I believe, in times past long long ago, grape jelly was the goto for the classic, thus.. PB&J.

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          pinehurst Feb 22, 2013 02:40 PM

          Grape jelly is definitely the "starter" mix for a lot of PB&J lovers---the straightforward sweetness and smooth texture (no chunks, no seeds, no rind) of grape jelly is soothing to many kids who aren't adventurous eaters (or grown ups who like the classic blend).

        2. paulj Feb 22, 2013 02:48 PM

          While the J does stand for 'jelly', my understanding is that you many use any sort of sweet spread that you want - jelly, jam, preserves, marmalade, fruit butter, Biscoff spread, Nutella, chutney. But since it is most popular with kids, the most common, cheapest spread is the default choice - grape jelly.

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            mpjmph Feb 22, 2013 03:30 PM

            Even as a kid I preferred grape jam to jelly. Now my favorite is Smucker's natural PB and all fruit style jam/preserves.

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              calliope_nh Feb 22, 2013 03:37 PM

              I agree that the sandwich is Peanut Butter & Jelly no matter if the fruit part is jam, jelly or preserves.

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                pine time Feb 24, 2013 09:40 AM

                Agreed. While I do know the differences, in the Pine household, we use jam, jelly and preserves as synonyms.

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                CanadaGirl Feb 22, 2013 03:46 PM

                I've never thought about it before, but its definitely "peanut butter and jam" to me. I'm (obviously!!) in Canada.

                1. Musie Feb 23, 2013 05:02 AM

                  Jelly is more like a jelly. There are no seeds and the texture and viscosity are different. Jam tends to be gooier and often has pulp or seeds left in.

                  I find Canada's terminology to incorporate both that of it's American neighbours and some more of it's British connections.

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                    CanadaGirl Feb 23, 2013 02:18 PM

                    I'm confused by this. Can you expand please?

                    Are you saying that we call "jelly" "jam"? In my experience, that is not true as the terms mean different things. Obviously, it may be different elsewhere.

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                      pikawicca Feb 23, 2013 02:27 PM

                      I believe that Canadians and those of us in the States have the same definitions for the words "jam" and "jelly." They start out the same, but jelly is slowly strained through a special sack, removing any bits of fruit.

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                    wyogal Feb 23, 2013 02:37 PM

                    Who are "they?"
                    When I see it somewhere, like at a restaurant, kids menu, or in the school lunch, "uncrustables," it is usually grape jelly, not jam.

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                      guilty Feb 23, 2013 02:51 PM

                      I think that there's a difference in terminology here. I'm not sure about Australia/NZ/other native English-speaking countries, but I believe that what Americans call "jelly," Canada and the UK call "jam," while what a Canadian or Brit calls "jelly" Americans call "Jell-O" or "gelatin."

                      To complicate matters, in the US there seems to be a difference between "jelly" and "jam," in that "jam" frequently contains pieces of fruit, and "jelly" is usually a homogeneous fruit-flavored substance. I don't have any idea whether the rest of the world has such a distinction.

                      Corrections welcome.

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                      1. re: guilty
                        paulj Feb 23, 2013 03:01 PM

                        "In many of the Commonwealth nations and in Ireland, gelatin desserts are called jelly.
                        In the United States and Canada, gelatin desserts are called jello (a generic name based on the brand name Jell-O) or gelatin, whereas 'jelly' is a fruit preserve."
                        Wiki article

                        1. re: guilty
                          sunshine842 Feb 24, 2013 12:14 AM

                          Jam is made with the fruit itself; jelly is made with **juice** - most US fruit jellies are clear, or nearly so.

                          (note I''m using the US definition here -- a congealed gelatine dessert is Jell-O, regardless of the actual brand used)

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                            Cinnamonster Feb 25, 2013 05:35 AM

                            +1 to this.
                            Saw both from Smuckers as a kid in the grocery store, difference was that one used juice the other used fruit puree. Ever since then I've been going by this definition.

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                            CanadaGirl Feb 24, 2013 06:20 PM

                            I live in Canada, and there are problems with your understanding.
                            1. Jam is fruit cooked with sugar and (maybe) pectin to create a spreadable preserve. AFAIK, it is the same in the US
                            2. Jelly is like jam, but without the chunks of fruit. Juice only. AFAIK, again it is the same as in the US
                            3. Jello is used for gelatin desserts, regardless of the actual brand. I have never heard of Jello being called Jelly.

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                              paulj Feb 24, 2013 06:39 PM

                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/698160
                              thread on calf's foot jelly and other historic dishes.

                              http://www.fannieslastsupper.com/inde...
                              Victorian jellies

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                                CanadaGirl Feb 25, 2013 03:05 AM

                                I am confused by these links. I see some references to Victorian jelly, but that doesn't really have anything to do with what I posted. (Canada is different than Victorian England)

                                Perhaps I missed it? Not going to lie - I didn't carefully read every word, so I may have missed something.

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                                  Bacchus101 Feb 25, 2013 05:57 AM

                                  Interesting links indeed. I have noted the variation in naming in different countries and contrary to my understanding of the definition, the interchangeability of jam and jelly. Also the note regarding the production of Jello (gelatin) as being from cow hoofs and or animal bone is a fact which surprised me a few years ago when I also learned that some capsules used to dispense pharmaceuticals are likewise produced.

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                                    sunshine842 Feb 25, 2013 06:03 AM

                                    there are a couple of threads running intermittently about the shock and disgust of some kosher yogurts being made with gelatine from tilapia - yes, fish.

                                    Gelatine can come from hides and tendons, too -- one of those things it's best to just not think very hard about.

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                                      paulj Feb 25, 2013 06:31 AM

                                      http://www.foodtimeline.org/foodcandy...

                                      Foodtimeline discusses all 3 together. The American (USA & Canada) jelly is thickened with fruit pectin, the UK with gelatin.

                                      I bet the separate jello arose because of the dominance of one brand of dried gelatin in those countries. In many Spanish speaking counties Royal is the equivalent.

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                                    Harters Feb 25, 2013 04:06 AM

                                    In the UK, what Americans call jello we call jelly. Other than that, jam is jam whether with fruit chunks or not.

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                                      guilty Feb 25, 2013 05:46 PM

                                      Thanks for setting me straight; CanadaGirl. I guess I assumed too much from the OP's comments. Now I won't make a fool of myself at breakfast in Canada ;)

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                                        CanadaGirl Feb 26, 2013 02:54 AM

                                        Come on now! We are too polite to make you feel bad at breakfast :)

                                        Still, I'm always amazed at how much terminology can change between out two countries, especially since most Canadians live within 100 km of the US!

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                                    maxie Feb 24, 2013 11:15 AM

                                    We are both American -- my husband grew up with peanut butter and jelly (Welch's grape jelly), I grew up with peanut butter and jam (usually raspberry, strawberry, or apricot preserves). My family did not call it PB and jelly. Perhaps the Welch's advertising hammered home the common usage of jelly, and as people grew and migrated from jelly to jam, they maintained the terminology.

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                                      Blush Feb 25, 2013 01:44 PM

                                      I am Canadian (SW Ontario) and have always eaten "peanut butter and jam", not "peanut butter and jelly". We rarely had "jelly" (by that I mean the transparent fruit spread with no hint of seeds or pieces of fruit). I think as a kid if I had seen "jelly" I probably would have called it "jam" anyway, since that's what I was used to.

                                      It was normal for us to have strawberry jam, raspberry jam and cherry jam in the fridge. Cherry was my favourite. I only ever saw grape jelly on American TV ads, and even then I wondered why it was called "jelly".

                                      Jello is definitely called jello around here, no matter if it's made by Kraft or a knockoff brand.

                                      1. Bacchus101 Feb 26, 2013 04:08 AM

                                        Obviously there are regional differences as to what is called Jelly or Jam. The other delights in the fruit spread realm, Marmalade and Preserves seem better defined base on how they are made and the relative condition/size of the fruit. I had always considered Jam to have a more obvious and heavier fruit content and jelly to be clear and smooth. It appears that was an over simplification base on what has been posted here.

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                                          CanadaGirl Feb 26, 2013 04:09 AM

                                          That's my take on it too

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