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club24 Feb 19, 2013 06:02 PM

Hi guys,

I'm trying to create steamed cupcake and one of the ingredients needed to make it "grow" is emulsifier. I know it's not commonly sold, but I heard you can find it in Asian stores. I have tried Marche Hawai and G market in china town, but I don't know where else I can find it. So can anyone help me find a store?

I also heard Xantham gum as a subtitute, but I'm worried it won't create the "growing" effect I need.

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  1. SnackHappy RE: club24 Feb 19, 2013 07:30 PM

    If it has anything to do with baking, they should have it at Vixit a.k.a France Décor.

    http://www.vixit.com/

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      Ruthie789 RE: SnackHappy Feb 20, 2013 10:23 AM

      Thank you for posting that link, it looks interesting. Is it open to the public or do you have to shop on line?

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      pyropaul99 RE: club24 Feb 20, 2013 06:10 AM

      Isn't soy lecithin an emulsifier? I believe this is commonly available (and is used quite a bit in "molecular" cuisine to make foams etc.)

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        club24 RE: pyropaul99 Feb 20, 2013 10:49 AM

        Can you give me a specific store that sells it? Thank you

      2. Ruthie789 RE: club24 Feb 21, 2013 03:29 PM

        Have you tried Akhvan?

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          club24 RE: Ruthie789 Feb 21, 2013 03:40 PM

          I'm assuming you meant Akhavan, the grocery store in Pierrefonds. I haven't but I'll check this weekend

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            williej RE: club24 Feb 22, 2013 07:51 AM

            Also in NDG

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              Ruthie789 RE: club24 Mar 3, 2013 10:19 AM

              I think your best chance would be at a health food store, Health Tree or Tau perhaps? As well in you are in the West Island, on Sources Boulevard are some Asian markets.

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            club24 RE: club24 Mar 2, 2013 04:51 PM

            Hi, so I tried Akhavan and Vixit, but both doesn't have it. I know someone suggested soy lecithin, but I haven't been able to find it. I'm hoping someone will have more stores suggestions for me. Thank you

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              kpzoo RE: club24 Mar 3, 2013 06:21 AM

              You could try calling Anatol's on St-Laurent.

              Do you know any other name for the product aside from "fish cake emulsifier"?

            2. paulj RE: club24 Mar 3, 2013 09:49 AM

              What's the source of this recipe? Is it translated from some other language?

              make it grow - do you (or the recipe) mean 'rise'? That's the job of beaten eggs or baking soda/powder.

              an emulsifier would thicken and/or stabilize the batter.

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                SnackHappy RE: paulj Mar 3, 2013 10:07 AM

                Emulsifiers also help increase volume.

                http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-the-...

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                  paulj RE: SnackHappy Mar 3, 2013 11:54 AM

                  That article is about emulsifiers that are used by commercial bakers.

                  http://www.palsgaard.com/media/77731/...
                  Palsgaard® SA 6610 cake emulsifier - sold as an additive to industrial cake mixes.

                  This reinforces my claim that we need to know more about the recipe to make meaningful suggestions.

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                    club24 RE: paulj Mar 3, 2013 01:12 PM

                    Hi, the original recipe is written in Indonesian, but I'm going to give you the English version of it. It's called "Bolu Kukus" in Indonesian words, but you can google "steamed cupcakes" although it's hard to find the exact recipe in English. The second link will show what we use to make it (scroll to the bottom)

                    Recipe:
                    http://hmbc101.wordpress.com/2011/05/...

                    Details on making it:
                    http://kitchencake.com/foodblog.php?p...

                    In general, it's pretty easy to make, but the tough part is making the cupcake "split" and rise up. In the recipe above, Ovalette is a brand of emulsifier, but currently I haven't found it.

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                      paulj RE: club24 Mar 3, 2013 01:46 PM

                      "-You can omit emulsifier (not an easy ingredient to find here), you just need to beat the egg and sugar batter longer until it is very thick for about 10-15 min."
                      http://bakeabooing.blogspot.com/2012/...

                      http://lilyng2000.blogspot.com/2009/0...

                      http://www.thelittleteochew.com/2009/...
                      What is ovalette
                      "Monoglyceride, Polyglycerol, Polysorbate, Sorbitol, Propylene Glycol, Tartrazine and Water."

                      In a related post this blogger uses sweetened condensed milk instead of ovalette
                      http://www.thelittleteochew.com/2009/...

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                        club24 RE: paulj Mar 3, 2013 04:50 PM

                        Thank you for your suggestions. I did try another batch today, but I only beat the eggs and sugar around 3 minutes. It did rise, but not as tall as the examples. I'm hoping your suggestion will work.

              2. paulj RE: club24 Mar 3, 2013 02:42 PM

                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/725665
                same question from Vancouver a couple of years ago

                1. Ruthie789 RE: club24 Mar 4, 2013 10:47 AM

                  I have a gluten free cookbook which uses gylcerin and xanthum gum in most of the recipes. Perhaps this might be a solution.

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                    club24 RE: Ruthie789 Mar 4, 2013 01:09 PM

                    The problem is more where to find those 2 things. Its not commonly found for me.

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                      kpzoo RE: club24 Mar 4, 2013 03:38 PM

                      I think xanthum gum can be found in health-food stores.

                      For the Ovalette, have you tried Marché Hawaii - maybe they can order it from you, since they import other Indonesian things?

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                        Virgile RE: club24 Mar 4, 2013 06:01 PM

                        Xanthan gum can be found quite easily at a lot of grocery stores. I have seen it recently at the Loblaws on Cavendish and the Loblaws Angus, so I assume it can be found at other Loblaws. I also believe I saw it at the Metro corner Notre-Dame and de la Montagne but I'm not sure.

                        It's usually in the health food aisle, Bob's Red Mill brand around 10$.

                        I think you can find glycerin at the pharmacy.

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