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fldhkybnva Feb 6, 2013 11:58 AM

I have made leg of lamb before when I was much more of a cooking novice. It was good. Last time I used a simple marinade of olive oil, Dijon mustard, rosemary, thyme, salt and pepper and roasted and it was great but was a trial by fire effort without an actual thermometer so I'd like to keep the same flavors and focus on the preparation and roasting effort. It will be a boneless leg butterflied and likely rolled in twine which I'd like to roast in the oven to rare/medium rare (no access to a grill).

For New Year's, I requested advice with my first turkey and produced what might possibly be the best turkey I have ever had and so would love some advice here as I'm sure you all have the secrets to another great meal equivalent to the greatness of that New Year's turkey.

Do you marinate or just season right before? How long?

What temperature? What's a good final temperature for medium rare? Low and slow was recommended for the turkey and although I was hesitant roasting at 250 for 5-6 hours was highly successful.

How long to rest?

Any good au jus recipes?

TIA.

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    mike0989 Feb 6, 2013 12:27 PM

    I've been using one of Julia Child's recipes for years. Similar to the rub you used but has the following:

    Mustard
    Olive Oil
    Soy Sauce
    Garlic
    Rosemary

    I let it marinade over night and then cook in a 350 - 375 oven until I get a reading of 135 - 140. This will give me rare to medium rare. Tent and let sit for 20 - 30 minutes prior to carving.

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    1. re: mike0989
      fldhkybnva Feb 6, 2013 04:01 PM

      Any idea about quantities? Well particularly the soy sauce.

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        juliejulez Feb 7, 2013 03:52 PM

        Do you happen to have an Amazon Prime account? I ask because they have episodes of Child's The French Chef, and you can watch them for free if you have a Prime account ($1.99 an episode if you don't). In Season 7 Episode 6 "Waiting for Gigot", she made a leg of lamb, I just watched it the other day. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006...

        1. re: juliejulez
          fldhkybnva Feb 7, 2013 03:59 PM

          I do not, but should as I order from them all the time but always seem to argue against a Prime account for some reason. Perhaps I'll give it a look see anyway, thanks for the recommendation.

      2. re: mike0989
        C. Hamster Feb 6, 2013 04:53 PM

        The first four ingredients plus lemon juice and any herb you choose is a staple marinade for pretty much anything.

      3. boredough Feb 6, 2013 04:23 PM

        Try this recipe:
        http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...
        As indicated, it does not taste fishy at all, just very flavorful.

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          fldhkybnva Apr 26, 2013 05:58 PM

          Can I substitute anchovy paste for the anchovies?

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            boredough Apr 30, 2013 12:23 AM

            Anchovy paste should be fine

          2. re: boredough
            fldhkybnva Apr 30, 2013 03:04 PM

            This recipe is AMAZING! The lamb turned out wonderful. Thank you so much, I think this is my go to from now on.

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              meatn3 Apr 30, 2013 04:26 PM

              It is so hard to get people to try this - but once they do, wow!
              So glad to have another person love this recipe. It works well for chops too.

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                boredough May 1, 2013 12:10 AM

                Sooo glad it was a hit! Thanks for reporting back.

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              sr44 Feb 6, 2013 04:41 PM

              If you have anchovy-phobic eaters, make some tapenade and serve it on the side.

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                fldhkybnva Feb 6, 2013 04:52 PM

                Yea, I'll probably have a few of those including myself as I've never had anchovies I don't think but if you can't taste it...

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                  sr44 Feb 6, 2013 05:35 PM

                  Only as "whoa! Yummy!!!"

                  Start slowly. White anchovies are way easier to eat if you aren't anchovy friendly, but also more expensive. In any case, start with 1 or 2 and proceed slowly. Asian fish sauce can inch you forward.

                  Or bite the bullet a week before and let'r'rip.

                  1. re: fldhkybnva
                    boredough Feb 7, 2013 03:31 PM

                    For what it's worth, we served the leg of lamb/anchovy dish to an anti-anchovyist

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                      boredough Feb 7, 2013 03:37 PM

                      (I don't know why my other message didn't post correctly - & I can't correct it - but here's what I meant to say:)
                      For what it's worthy, we served the leg of lamb/anchovy dish to an anti-anchovyist , and she couldn't tell. (She's not allergic; she just doesn't like anchovies. We were pretty sure she would not be able to identify the ingredient, having made the dish before. We confessed after she ate - and enjoyed - it.)

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                        foreverhungry Feb 7, 2013 07:11 PM

                        I often add anchovies to recipes because it adds umami. On their own, anchovies have a, well, anchovy taste. But cut into recipes, anchovies add umami, savoriness. Adding umami to lamb is like adding bacon to pork. Yum. And Yum.

                    2. re: fldhkybnva
                      Ruthie789 Feb 8, 2013 07:35 PM

                      You do not taste the anchovies, it makes an excellent roast leg of lamb.

                    3. re: sr44
                      meatn3 Feb 7, 2013 08:10 PM

                      I've used that recipe for years. The anchovies melt into umami bliss. No hint of fish taste. The only worry would be allergies.

                      Once I tried this recipe I've seldom cooked lamb any other way!

                      1. re: meatn3
                        fldhkybnva Feb 7, 2013 08:30 PM

                        You're tempting me more and more.

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                          meatn3 Feb 7, 2013 08:53 PM

                          It sounded very odd to me initially. I couldn't wrap my head around the flavor. Which is why I eventually had to make it!

                          I love lamb and have it at least every other month if not more. This has become my favorite method. It is better with a moderately priced anchovy vs a super inexpensive one. I like a small bottled brand where the anchovies are rolled up. (I'm out of town, so can't look in the fridge to see the label.) They usually sell for around $3 - $5 depending on the market.

                        2. re: meatn3
                          Wtg2Retire Mar 25, 2013 04:30 PM

                          Meatn3, this will be my first time cooking lamb. I love anchovies, so would be very appreciative if you would share the recipe you use.

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                            herby Mar 31, 2013 06:46 AM

                            I am not Meatn3 but since you got no response so far.... I think everyone is talking about and making this recipe: http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo...

                            Haven't tried it but put it into my pepperplate to try soon - sounds delicious!

                            1. re: herby
                              meatn3 Mar 31, 2013 10:24 PM

                              Yes - that's the recipe!

                              Wtg2Retire - sorry. It's been a busy week and I had not seen your post. Luckily herby had the link!

                              Hope you both enjoy it. I use the "marinade" on lamb chops too.

                              1. re: herby
                                boredough Apr 1, 2013 09:13 AM

                                that's the same recipe I posted on Feb 7 ( I did not reply to Wtg2Retire's request of 3/26 since I thought he/she would eventually 'see' it...) Anyway please report in when/if you make it!

                              2. re: Wtg2Retire
                                Wtg2Retire Apr 1, 2013 01:46 PM

                                Thanks herby, meatn3, and boredough. Unfortunately, I ended up cooking a ham (family, you know). But now that I have this recipe for lamb, I will try it when family is not coming over.

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                                  Wtg2Retire Nov 5, 2013 01:27 PM

                                  Thank you so very much, Meatn3 and Herby.

                            2. fldhkybnva Feb 7, 2013 07:31 PM

                              Do you au jus or gravy? I know many prefer it sans sauces but the opinion was always torn in my house and we seemed to always have lamb served with both

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                                fourunder Feb 7, 2013 08:35 PM

                                I'll let others recommend and debate marinades....

                                Low and slow @ 200-225*.....under 4 pounds, about 3-3.5 hours. Over 4 pounds.....3.5-4 hours....for a target temperature of 125-135*

                                Brown on the stove....or for the first 20 minutes in the oven at 450*.....then refer to above.

                                I recommend a two hour rest...in the oven @ 140* or covered outside of the oven. When roasting, rotate the roast and the roasting pan halfway through for even cooking.

                                BTW....low and slow works for most meats and roasting....i.e, turkey, pork, lamb and beef....so the basic guidelines are the same. I do not care for the low and slow method when roasting chicken though....smoking yes, roasting no.

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                                1. re: fourunder
                                  fldhkybnva Feb 8, 2013 12:55 AM

                                  aha!! I was waiting for fourunder to enter the discussion. I think you were responsible for my ever so delicious turkey!

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                                    MGZ Feb 8, 2013 03:06 AM

                                    There's a reason he's the Dean of the Chowhound School of Meat Roasting.

                                    For what it's worth, the classic meat roasting temperature was 325. You'll sometimes see old recipes for leg of lamb suggesting similar times to those listed by fourunder but at the significantly higher temp. The result was a dreadful grey rump and I'm pretty sure it's why a generation grew up hating lamb. It was said that lamb should be cooked "until the smoke reached up to God."

                                    Personally, when I do lamb on the offset,* I'll try to keep the temp around 225-250. Low and slow oven cooking is pretty much the same as traditional barbecuing techniques. A hotter cook, more of an indirect grill than a smoke, can also produce great results with smaller cuts. It does require more skill and attention though.

                                    *I realize this is a bit outside the OP, but may be relevant in other ways.

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                                      fldhkybnva Feb 8, 2013 05:50 AM

                                      Nope, well within the kind of information I was looking for as it was this kind of discussion that gave me the confidence to do low and slow for the turkey at I still can't stop thinking about how juicy, moist and delicious it was.

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                                        MGZ Feb 8, 2013 06:01 AM

                                        Terrific. I've got a hunch your lamb is going to be great. One thing about this Site, there's plenty of folks who have, as they say, "broken a few eggs" and are willing to share the lessons earned.

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                                        fourunder Feb 8, 2013 08:40 AM

                                        250* is the temperature most Commercial Kitchens will use...as this is what is recommended by the equipment manufacturers like Alto-Shaam... I would consider 275-300* to be the setting dividing low temperature and moderate temperature roasting.

                                        When time is a factor, I certainly would use 250-275, but I'm a guy who has too much time on his hands to begin with so I can allow for the extra roasting time.....plus, I have no fear of placing a roast in the oven in the morning or overnight and leaving it unattended....again unlike many here on CH seem to believe the house will burn down. The noticeable differences I can see between 225 and 250 are....with 250, a little better browning and faster cooking.....with 225, slightly less shrinkage for ....both are moist and tender. It really is a toss up and just a personal preference which one you ultimately decide to use.

                                        1. re: fourunder
                                          fldhkybnva Feb 8, 2013 12:49 PM

                                          Yes, I took the leap of faith with your method at New Year's and while it did feel somewhat odd to just have the bird hanging out in there all day, the result was well worth the calculated risk.

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                                        Puffin3 Feb 8, 2013 08:48 AM

                                        Hey! I'm the only 'low and slow' in the village'!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpOs2T...
                                        Warning. Mature content.

                                      4. re: fourunder
                                        jrvedivici Feb 8, 2013 07:29 AM

                                        I agree with you regarding low and slow....and I also agree with you that is NOT the method to be used for chicken or poultry.

                                        My question is what is your reason behind it for chicken? Is it because of the out come not being good -or- health concerns regarding chicken remaining in the danger zone of temps?

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                                          MGZ Feb 8, 2013 07:46 AM

                                          To me, it has to do most with the density of the meat. As chickens are hollow and have little pockets of muscle, I find that too low a temp leaves them rather spongy. Moreover, since crispy skin is the best part of a hen, low and slow doesn't satisfy. Even on the offset, I prefer to hit 350 to 375 for the cook. I get a juicy bird with crunchy skin and enough smokiness to make it barbecue. (For what it's worth, maple and/or fruit woods are best).

                                          Health concerns have never entered my mind.

                                          But, then again, what do I know, I'm merely an Associate.

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                                            fourunder Feb 8, 2013 08:30 AM

                                            My general rule for turkey.....

                                            14 pounds and under....275*

                                            Over 14 pounds.......225*

                                            I do not have the food concerns most here on chowhound adhere to..

                                            Food sitting out too long

                                            defrosting

                                            food storage

                                            RE-Freezing food than has be frozen

                                            Under cooking chicken or pork

                                            ....so , *No* to the health concerns. What MGZ describes as ^Spongy*, what comes to mind for me is *Rubbery*. ....so in the end, it comes down to texture and it is just plain unenjoyable and the outcome is not good. While others will say the Zuni Cafe or Thomas Keller approach is best with high heat of 450* or above, I prefer to roast my chickens at 375*...I think it gives the best combination for tender cooked white and dark meat....not favoring one over the other, and closet to a Rotisserie Bird. I will also note that I always try to select chickens for roasting at 3.5 pounds or under. I'll go up to 4.5 pounds, but never over that weight mark.....like turkey, I'd rather cook two smaller birds than one large one.

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                                              MGZ Feb 8, 2013 08:57 AM

                                              Yeah, "rubbery" is probably a better descriptor. I find that, on the offset, if I use a traditional barbecue temp the bird is kinda limp. It does work, however, for wings or legs that get a deep fry after the smoke.

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                                                fourunder Feb 8, 2013 09:07 AM

                                                ...a deep fry after the smoke.

                                                I've been hearing a lot of great things about Korean and Chinese Style Fried Chicken.....crispy coating and very tender chicken.....made with a pre-baked or Rotisserie style chicken. I don't deep fry much at home...so I'll have to search out the dish at a nearby Korean Restaurant in Palisades Park....Baden Baden

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                                                  angelo04 Mar 31, 2013 05:46 AM

                                                  Fourunder, you definitley need to try Korean Fried Chicken, try Momofuko Noodle Bar, ridiculously good. I know this is off topic, but the least I can do to pay back all the roasting knowledge I have gotten from you.

                                                  http://momofuku.com/new-york/noodle-b...

                                                  Reservations are tough to get, good luck.

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                                              Puffin3 Feb 8, 2013 08:52 AM

                                              That theory has been debunked. How do you explain the world wide acceptance of 'SV' by every food scientist etc. visa vi 'danger-zones'.

                                            3. re: fourunder
                                              fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 11:28 AM

                                              I will use my lovely thermometer but any estimate on approximate minutes/lb. It's only 2 of us so I picked up a butterflied leg which is 1.6ish pounds. I will probably roll so the thickness will be similar to a non-butterflied leg I assume. I just wanted to gauge when I should throw it in the oven.

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                                                fourunder Mar 3, 2013 11:43 AM

                                                Figure a minimum 3 hours total time. 2 hours to roast, 1 hour to hold. If the meat comes to temperature sooner than expected, then you just have a positive unexpected result and can allow for the longer resting period.

                                                If you are shooting for medium-rare....it should probably take 90+ minutes.....based on the 45-50 minute guideline @ 225*....but bear in mind, each piece of meat has it's own mind and characteristics. I would sear on top of the stove. No need to bring the roast to room temperature. The quick sear will do that for you..

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                                                  fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 02:08 PM

                                                  And hold in the oven right rather than covered in foil on the counter? My oven only goes down to 170F. Sear on all "4 sides" 2 minutes? Do you roast uncovered, roasting rack? Can I just plop it in my cast iron skillet and put in the oven?

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                                                    fourunder Mar 3, 2013 04:19 PM

                                                    170* ...I would crack the oven door open slightly

                                                    When roasting, I prefer to use a rack, but you can cook directly on a pan or in a fry pan/cast ion pan. with low temperature roasting though, the high sides may affect the roast a little bit....that's why a shallow side is preferred.

                                                    In general, I do not like to use a cast iron pan in the oven and I am not as enamored as others with using it for anything other than high heat roasted chicken. I do not care for it especially when used for a steak. the pan retains too much heat and it can easily overcook the steak in a matter of a minute.

                                                    Small roast, you could probably get away with a minute on each side.....it depends mostly on how you like the appearance of the roast....It's been debunked that searing keeps the juices in the roast...however, the food police have brought to attention the surface area of the meat need to be brought past (145?) to kill off any bacteria.

                                                    Always roast uncovered....

                                                    1. re: fourunder
                                                      fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 06:33 PM

                                                      Perfect! I plan to cook to 120F which should give a nice medium rare.

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                                                    fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 06:38 PM

                                                    No issues if I rest the smaller sized roast at 170* with door propped for the full 2 hours?

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                                                      fourunder Mar 3, 2013 06:46 PM

                                                      I would have no issues.....you are maintaining a warm oven above 125* without a draft.....better than on the counter which would have a draft. covering with foil would steam the roast.

                                                      I think you could bring the roast higher...even to 130. !20 is on the low side and close to rare..blue, not pink/red....but ultimately my decision would depend on the thickness of the roast 2 inches opposed to say 3 inches. For a smaller roast, i would probably deem 90 minutes sufficient to rest.

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                                                        fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 07:38 PM

                                                        3 inches so I'll roast until 130* and then hold it for 90 minutes or so. In no rush, on call until late so it's a midnight lamb.

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                                                      fldhkybnva Apr 28, 2013 01:37 PM

                                                      Fourunder I plan to make another boneless leg of lamb tonight - butterflied, rolled and tied. It's only a lb and so while the last effort was delicious, I just had a few quick questions which might make it even better. I imagine it won't take too long at 225F (estimate an hour-ish total cooking time). I'd like to get a better browned exterior, would it be OK to turn on the broiler after it's at temperature for 10 minutes? Also, dinner is on a schedule tonight so I can't hold it indefinitely, what's the minimum time you'd hold a small roast like this - 30 minutes or so? Thanks.

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                                                        fourunder Apr 28, 2013 03:00 PM

                                                        I think you could certainly have an enjoyable roast with a shorter resting time....I just feel the longer the rest, the less chance for bleeding.

                                                        20-30 minutes is the minimum rest I would do for a roast.

                                                        To get a better charred crust or browned exterior...I would do two things....brush with oil and get it as close to the heat source as possible.....there will be sizzle and splatter though. The other choice is to throw it into a very hot pan or sizzle plate....but then be prepared for smoke.

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                                                          fldhkybnva Apr 28, 2013 03:22 PM

                                                          Thanks. Is the bleeding you're referring to the leakage of fluid from within the muscle?

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                                                            fourunder Apr 28, 2013 03:24 PM

                                                            Yes....whatever ends up on the cutting board or plate after the meat is sliced.

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                                                            fldhkybnva Apr 30, 2013 03:05 PM

                                                            Thank you once again, it was fabulous and a big thank you to all who recommended the Epicurious recipe. I just have a quick question for next time - even though I do the low and slow and it comes out at 130F and is a nice pink, it tends to be chewy on the outside. Is that normal or is there anything to fix that? It's pretty well trimmed when I roll.

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                                                              fourunder Apr 30, 2013 04:14 PM

                                                              The only negative I can think of for the low and slow method of cooking meats.....is the experience you mention of dry and chewy meat. This usually only happens on larger roasts though, not small ones.....the result of slow cooking can cause the exterior of the meat to be like jerky.. To remedy this, I pan sear all smaller roasts ....or do a high heat blast @ the beginning @ 450* for 20-30 minutes on larger roasts, depending on size or meat cut.

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                                                                fldhkybnva Apr 30, 2013 04:35 PM

                                                                Yea, that's exactly it the outside is like jerky, the inside is nice and tender. It makes sense now that you point that out.

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                                                      fldhkybnva Mar 28, 2013 10:30 AM

                                                      Do you ever braise a leg of lamb?

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                                                        fourunder Mar 28, 2013 11:47 AM

                                                        Not the Leg...but Shoulder, Breast or Shank

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                                                          fldhkybnva Mar 28, 2013 12:01 PM

                                                          Great, thanks. If I were to roast again would you suggest boneless or bone-in if you have any preference that is.

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                                                            fourunder Mar 28, 2013 02:08 PM

                                                            When it comes to the question of which is better, bone-in or boneless, it comes down to presentation for me....and or convenience. For those who say the meat is better off the bone, I say good for you, but I really cannot say I can tell any difference. I order one bone-in all the time, but I like to gnaw on the bones. While a Holiday Roast is always more impressive carved off the bone, it's a whole lot easier slicing a rolled boneless roast. I believe the rolled roast also offers the advantage of seasoning and stuffing with whatever herbs or aromatics you desire....it's also easier to pre-cook and throw on the grill to heat up and put some char or a crust on.

                                                            Last, by boning out the leg, you can start making a stock for gravy or deglazing the roasting pan for pan juices.

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                                                              fldhkybnva Mar 28, 2013 02:14 PM

                                                              Thanks for the information, I guess one last quick question: how is a butterflied leg different than a boneless leg? I've never been able to figure that out for some reason. It is just that it's scored to attempt to make it even thickness throughout?

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                                                                fourunder Mar 28, 2013 02:21 PM

                                                                Essentially, you have correctly identified the difference of the two.....the only real difference is that you would roll and tie a roast, where as with a butterflied cut, you do not need to and you could also broil or grill quickly as is..

                                                      2. re: fourunder
                                                        c oliver Apr 1, 2013 02:31 PM

                                                        Rest of TWO HOURs outside the oven? Wouldn't that be totally room temp? Lamb is about the only meat I don't eat at room temp. It's the fat.

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                                                          fourunder Apr 1, 2013 05:44 PM

                                                          The answer depends on how you hold the roast.

                                                          inside the oven @ 140.....no

                                                          outside the oven in an insulated cooler, not so much.

                                                          outside the oven covered tightly in foil, yes there will be a drop in temp.

                                                          outside the oven loosely tented or not covered, yes, it may end up @ room temperature

                                                          * while I recommend a two hour rest, I also recommend 30 minutes before serving, you replace the roast in the oven @ 250 for 20 minutes followed by a 8-10 minute high heat blast....with those steps, the meat will be sufficiently hot for serving.

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                                                            c oliver Apr 1, 2013 05:48 PM

                                                            Thanks for elaborating, -4.

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                                                        Puffin3 Feb 8, 2013 08:45 AM

                                                        If you think that was successful take the next step: Preheat the oven to 200 F. Stab the lamb with a small knife and insert halved garlics and some fresh rosemary. Leave the surface of the lamb alone. Just rub a little s&p on. Into the oven. DO NOT increase the oven temp. Start checking the internal temp in an hour. then every half hour until it reaches what you want. When the internal temp is about five degrees from where you want it to be crank up the oven to broil. Watch as the surfaces turns a beautiful color. Remove the lamb and tent for at least half an hour. The 'carry-over' will increases the internal temp about five degrees. Carve and serve. 'Low and slow' is proving to more and more cooks the very best way to get excellent moist tender roasted cuts of any meat. There will always be those who refuse to change but take heart we don't have to eat their '450 F for five hours based on how much the cut of meat weighed' too often anymore. LOL

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                                                          fldhkybnva Feb 8, 2013 12:50 PM

                                                          Puffin I thank you as well as I think your 2 cents were very handy in my turkey prep as well.

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                                                            c oliver Apr 1, 2013 02:27 PM

                                                            I'm one who eschews the garlic stuck in the lamb. I think leg of lamb is so mild tasting that the garlic overwhelms it. Just me, of course.

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                                                              herby Apr 1, 2013 06:47 PM

                                                              I am with you, c oliver. Love the garlic but the bite into a piece of it that's been stuck into the lamb is not pleasant to me.

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                                                                fourunder Apr 1, 2013 08:06 PM

                                                                Just me, but regardless of which temperature you roast at, if you like your meat Medium or under, the raw garlic cannot be cooked.....in the past, it's been suggested to insert roasted garlic instead. makes more sense, but at the very least I would have a pan sauce or gravy, so the garlic inside the roast is not necessary for me. I happy with it on the exterior or in any accompaniment sauce.

                                                          2. herby Feb 8, 2013 05:39 PM

                                                            I've never cooked lamb at a low temperature. Did the roast beef recently and appreciated being able to make it early in the day and not worry about serving time but missed the taste that higher heat roasting delivers.

                                                            My go-to roasted boneless leg of lamb in from Chef on the Run little cook book from the West coast of Canada that instructs you to marinate boneless, butterflied leg overnight, brush generously with melted butter and grill or broil until crusty brown on the outside and pink and juicy on the inside.

                                                            Here is the marinade:
                                                            1t ground black pepper
                                                            1t basil
                                                            1t majoram
                                                            1t rosemary
                                                            1t salt
                                                            6T dry white wine (I always use red)
                                                            4T Worcestershire sauce

                                                            I few days ago I roasted a small piece of leg with intention of making lamb sandwich out of Nancy Silverton's Sandwich Book and made it as she instructs. It was delicious as a roast for the first meal and amazing as a sandwich. Nancy's technique is to rub spices (salt, pepper, paprika and oregano) on the inside of the leg, fold it to make a compact roast, tie, and roast at 425F until 125F internal temperature.

                                                            The sandwich included mint pesto which added an amazing flavour of mint and garlic somewhat tempered by Parm, pine nuts and lemon. I could see this pesto morphing into a sauce to serve with the roast.

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                                                            1. re: herby
                                                              jpr54_1 Apr 28, 2013 03:30 PM

                                                              I am going to try this next week

                                                            2. SWISSAIRE Feb 8, 2013 05:57 PM

                                                              The use of Anchovy or Anchovy paste will work to enrich the flavour of both on a Leg of Lamb, and on cut-up young Spring Lamb.

                                                              The latter is typically an Easter dish, but quite good really anytime of the year.

                                                              In this case, an overnight marinade in the refrigerator provides the best results, on either a grill or slow oven roasting. Even with Mutton.

                                                              1. Ruthie789 Feb 8, 2013 07:33 PM

                                                                I marinate mine, which contains anchovies. I know it may sound wierd but it works. I made this for a special occasion years ago and had people at the party who had never eaten lamb and they loved it.

                                                                1. SWISSAIRE Feb 8, 2013 08:51 PM

                                                                  In deference to the non-anchovy CH members here, I believe that actually the best way to cook a leg of lamb is a method we learned hands-on in Greece.

                                                                  Just rub the lamb leg in salt and pepper, place it on a grill well above the coals or heat source, and cook it this way, using a good long piece of Rosemary to baste the Lamb in crushed Garlic and Olive Oil. It can also be spit roasted this way and should be turned only as needed.

                                                                  We volunteered at a restaurant we liked and did a number of whole lamb one afternoon and evening this way. Once you master the method, you get to enjoy a sip of wine between basting and turning. ( But not Ouzo as you need to be standing up working, not falling down, passing out ).

                                                                  It is fun, entertaining, and about as simple, foolproof, and tasty method as they come.

                                                                  1. fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 10:56 PM

                                                                    The low and slow wins again....delicious!! Thank you to all, with a special thanks to fourunder for the helpful advice.

                                                                     
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                                                                      fourunder Mar 3, 2013 11:06 PM

                                                                      Very Nice Roast....zero bleeding.

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                                                                        fldhkybnva Mar 3, 2013 11:25 PM

                                                                        Thanks, and muchos gracias again for a lovely roast. I am twiddling my thumbs pondering what to roast next.

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                                                                          MGZ Mar 5, 2013 07:46 AM

                                                                          Corned beef. See: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/838041

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                                                                            fldhkybnva Mar 5, 2013 09:02 AM

                                                                            Wow how did you know? Elsewhere on Chowhound I have confessed my addiction to corned beef which I think is quite nearly the same as crack though never have had cocaine.

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                                                                      classylady Apr 2, 2013 04:19 AM

                                                                      I googled the instructions to make boneless leg of lamb. The recipe for au jus using wine followed
                                                                      the instruction.

                                                                      1. fldhkybnva Jan 1, 2014 06:01 PM

                                                                        Another success! Feedback for anyone who finds this thread in the future.

                                                                        3.3 lb boneless leg of lamb rolled
                                                                        -Night before: outside rubbed with olive oil, anchovies, garlic, and pepper, wrapped in plastic wrap overnight (rub sauteed briefly to cook the garlic)
                                                                        -Room temperature 2.5 hours
                                                                        -Sear 1 minute per side
                                                                        -Roast 225F for 2.5 hours to 125F
                                                                        -Rest at 140F for 3 hours (final temperature 122F)
                                                                        -Final quick reheat at 450F for 5 minutes
                                                                        -Carve and eat!

                                                                         
                                                                         
                                                                         
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                                                                          fourunder Jan 1, 2014 06:09 PM

                                                                          Beautiful......well done....or should I say done well?

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                                                                            c oliver Jan 1, 2014 06:15 PM

                                                                            Girl, that is flat out gorgeous! Drooling :)

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                                                                              fldhkybnva Jan 1, 2014 06:31 PM

                                                                              Thanks, fourunder and c oliver. It was delicious! I had unexpected guests who said they have never a had a better piece of lamb "whoa, it's so tender." I agree, this was my third slow cooked leg of lamb and the best yet. It may be no coincidence that I let it rest longer than the others.

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                                                                                fourunder Jan 1, 2014 06:44 PM

                                                                                For you next Leg of Lamb, purchase one in a cryovac bag.....wet age for 28 days and then air dry for 2. You will not be disappointed.

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                                                                                  c oliver Jan 1, 2014 06:51 PM

                                                                                  four, can you elaborate on wet aging please?

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                                                                                    fourunder Jan 1, 2014 07:10 PM

                                                                                    I only recommend for veal, beef or lamb...not pork or poultry. In essence, the Standard Operating Procedure (SOP) for a commercial kitchen restaurant specializing in Steaks/Chops is to receive delivery of meat and store for a minimum 14 days before opening the package. This allows the enzymes to naturally break down the muscle fibers of the meat to tenderize in an air tight controlled environment.

                                                                                    Gene & Georgetti Steakhouse in Chicago is probably the most notable proponent of wet-aging, rather than dry-aging. I purchase the Australian Lamb leg when it goes on sale for $4 or under,which is usually about $25 average extension, and I simply leave it in the fridge for a month. I did roasted three legs in the past 10 days....two purchased the day of cooking and one I purchased before Thanksgiving. The two roasted last week were done to Medium and Well-Done Temperature. The Family knew I refused to cook the one I had aging past Medium-Rare....and I announced it would be served for Christmas Dinner....For those in the family who enjoy MR who had the one roasted Medium earlier and the Medium Rare Slices on Christmas Day, they could not believe the difference was so notable. My whining family members who cried i was discriminating against them, I acquiesced and cooked the leg up after I slice a portion off.

                                                                                    While my pictures are not as pretty as , <fldhkybnva's> ,
                                                                                    the meat was all good and I will always have one aging from now on 14+ days.

                                                                                     
                                                                                     
                                                                                     
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                                                                                      fourunder Jan 1, 2014 07:14 PM

                                                                                      more pictures...and I can tell you I enjoyed the meat as much as a Keen's Mutton Chop...

                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
                                                                                       
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                                                                                        HillJ Jan 1, 2014 07:18 PM

                                                                                        OMG...that's amazing.

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                                                                                    fldhkybnva Jan 1, 2014 08:32 PM

                                                                                    Wow, your roasts look great! If it doesn't come cryovaced doesn't it work equally well if I vacuum seal it?

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                                                                                      c oliver Jan 1, 2014 08:55 PM

                                                                                      Yes please for that answer.

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                                                                                        fourunder Jan 1, 2014 09:22 PM

                                                                                        Yes, I forgot to include you could use your own vacuum sealer...or Foodsaver.

                                                                                        i will try to edit.

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                                                                                        fourunder Jan 1, 2014 09:12 PM

                                                                                        Yes, I forgot to include you could use your own vacuum sealer...or Foodsaver.

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                                                                                  HillJ Jan 1, 2014 07:06 PM

                                                                                  Wow that's lovely. We adore lamb too. I've never tried adding anchovies to the rub. Nice idea.

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                                                                                    fldhkybnva Jan 1, 2014 08:34 PM

                                                                                    The got the anchovy idea last year from the above links-super simple and doesn't taste fishy at all in case you have dissenters in the audience. The only change I make to the recipe above is to leave out the additional salt, for me anchovies have plenty enough and I let it sit overnight so the salt had time to work it's magic.

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                                                                                      meatn3 Jan 1, 2014 08:39 PM

                                                                                      Do try it. I have always loved lamb but the anchovies bring it to a completely new level!

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                                                                                        HillJ Jan 1, 2014 08:52 PM

                                                                                        My thanks to you both. I will def. try it!

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