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Best Sharpening for a Fujiwara FKM Gyuto 240mm

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Simon606 Feb 4, 2013 07:42 AM

Hello,
I have recently brought the above knife from http://japanesechefsknife.com/default.html

And I was really impressed ordered it on Friday and had arrived by Monday,
anyway I am looking to invest in a whetstone or oil stone maybe, I'm not sure.

I never used a whetstone, some stones been suggested are:
http://www.japaneseknifesharpeningstore.com/Bester-1200-Sharpening-Stone-p/bstr1200.htm

http://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Profes...

Other notes, I am from the U.K and some products (like the one above) can not be shipped to the U.K all though it would cost $100 dollars.
What is this Soak and Go I have seen mentioned, and flatten stones.
I'll be only sharpening this knife.

Thank you.

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    GH1618 Feb 4, 2013 09:06 AM

    I don't know what stones will give you the best result, but there certainly are good Japanese stones available in the UK:

    http://www.edenwebshops.co.uk/en/ct/w...

    1. Chemicalkinetics Feb 4, 2013 09:21 AM

      There are not as many options for people in the UK, and I have heard of this complaints many times. You may able to look up some brick and mortar stores near your city.

      Fujiwara FKM is a good knife.

      <I am looking to invest in a whetstone or oil stone maybe>

      Definitely go for a water whetstone and not an oil stone for this knife.

      <What is this Soak and Go I have seen mentioned, and flatten stones.>

      You may mean Splash and Go. Most waterstones require the them to be soak in water for 10-30 minutes prior usage. However, "Splash and Go" waterstones do not require soak. As the name suggests, all you need to do is to splash and add some waters to the surface, and you are ready to do. It is not a must feature, but it is nice.

      Flattern stones are stones which you use to flatten or true your sharpening stones. As you use your knives on your sharpening stone, they will become non-flat. This is where a flatterning stone comes in.

      Looking at the UK Amazon, this stone looks ok to me. I have never used it, but I know Naniwa reputation is good, and I know a 1000/3000 grit combination is a very good one. It may be a bit pricer than it should be. I believe the same stone would only be $35-40 in US.

      http://www.amazon.co.uk/Original-Japa...

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        Simon606 Feb 4, 2013 09:37 AM

        Ah yes I mean Splash and Go, Opps
        So a flattening stone I would need in the future.
        I too have heard of Naniwa while I was doing my research.
        the linked you posted it was £60, where as a quick googling the product found this result at £32
        http://www.amazon.co.uk/Naniwa-japane...

        I'm guessing its the same product? Amazon is weird.

        Thank you.

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          Chemicalkinetics Feb 4, 2013 10:38 AM

          <So a flattening stone I would need in the future.>

          Probably. I have an expensive DMT extra-extra coarse diamond stone for flattening, but I heard plenty people have no problem using much cheaper alternatives.

          <I'm guessing its the same product? Amazon is weird.>

          Different sellers selling at different price points. You are correct. It is important to be diligent during shopping. Keep in mind that although Naniwa is very famous for its "Splash and Go" Naniwa Superstone. The one we are looking at on Amazon.uk is NOT the "Splash and Go" stone. Nothing wrong with that.

          I think even £32 is slightly higher, but at least it is reasonable. Shop around, you may find better deal. In particular look for the "King" brand stone. King makes a lot of decent quality and yet slightly cheaper stones.

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            Simon606 Feb 4, 2013 12:23 PM

            I have elected to use this site and stone:

            http://www.edenwebshops.co.uk/en/pt/-...

            So thanks to the both of you.

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              Chemicalkinetics Feb 4, 2013 01:24 PM

              Look good

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                Simon606 Feb 4, 2013 01:44 PM

                Sorry meant this one

                http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japanese-whetstone-waterstone-sharpening-stone-Suehiro1000-3000-toishi-sharpener-/321067234797?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item4ac11935ed

                http://www.edenwebshops.co.uk/en/pt/-...

                Which one would you think is best or both similar?

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                  Chemicalkinetics Feb 4, 2013 02:00 PM

                  I think they are about the same. You will pay less for the Suehiro stone (£26 including shipping), but it is a smaller stone: 130mm X 40mm X 27mm. The Naniwa stone is 175mm X 53mm X 35mm and is £31 not including shipping.

                  If the price is not too big of an issue (assuming the shipping is not crazy), I like the Naniwa stone dimension better.

          2. re: Simon606
            Chemicalkinetics Feb 4, 2013 11:44 AM

            Ok, I did some scouting for you on eBay.uk. I don't know these vendors, but the stones are good.

            http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japanese-whetstone-waterstone-sharpening-stone-Suehiro1000-3000-toishi-sharpener-/321067234797?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item4ac11935ed

            http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/King-Japanese-Waterstone-Medium-1200-G-Water-Stone-/190554463036?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item2c5dee5b3c

            http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Japanese-Wa...

            Good luck.

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              Simon606 Feb 4, 2013 12:48 PM

              Okay thanks, the first one looks good being both 1000 and 3000, think I saw that one on my online travels.

              Thank you for your time.

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                knifesavers Feb 5, 2013 06:34 AM

                I have a 1K/3K Suehiro combo and it is a quick cutting but very soft stone. A flattening plan would be a must.

                http://www.ebay.com/itm/SUEHIRO-CR-38...

                Jim

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                  Chemicalkinetics Feb 5, 2013 07:21 AM

                  Excellent recommendation, Jim.

                  I have used a different Suehiro, and it is a soft-er stone as well. It cuts fast. I have heard some unconventional theory before. That is to say stone flattening does not have to be done as regular as people think for kitchen knives (like every time). For wood tools, yes, but not for kitchen knives. The reason is that almost all kitchen knives are curved anyway, so a little curved (concave) surface actually does a better job of contacting the knife edge's surface.

              2. re: Simon606
                TraderJoe Feb 5, 2013 04:03 AM

                "So a flattening stone I would need in the future"

                Don't skip a flattener when buying your first stone. It's an essential part of your kit.
                A must have.

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                  seattle_lee Feb 5, 2013 09:00 PM

                  Yes it is. Even if you have a harder stone, you'll need that flattener pretty soon. I needed my flattener before I got thru my first few training knives...we did mention that you should practice sharpening on some expendable knives for the first few times, right?

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                    Simon606 Feb 6, 2013 08:25 AM

                    My dad has got some sort of a sharpening stone, which I have used to practise on with some cheap knifes can't say they got sharper I probably did not do it long enough.
                    Should I get a cheap whetstone?

                    I will have a look for a flattener, not that I know what I'm looking for.

                    Thank you all.

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                      zhenya00 Feb 6, 2013 08:30 AM

                      Something like this http://www.sharpeningsupplies.com/Nan...

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                        Simon606 Feb 7, 2013 02:47 AM

                        Okay thanks

                        On the site I am going to order the whetstone from they have this selection

                        http://www.edenwebshops.co.uk/en/ct/a...

                        I'm guessing the 220 for 1000 - 5000 grit?

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