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sandylc Jan 28, 2013 07:24 PM

I tried tangzhong (flour/water paste) recently in a loaf of sandwich bread. I'm not sure if it's worth the effort or not. Has anyone else tried it, and what were your results?

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  1. ipsedixit RE: sandylc Jan 28, 2013 08:59 PM

    I bake using Tangzhong frequently.

    But your question of whether it is "worth the effort or not" is not the right question.

    Baking with Tangzhong is a technique - one that produces a certain texture in the bread (soft and fluffy). It's not something that's appropriate for all bread applications.

    For example, I wouldn't use Tangzhong to make sourdough or a French baguette, but certainly would find it appropriate (or worth it as you might say) if I wanted to make dinner rolls or simple basic bread loaf that has that certain cloud-like, almost cotton candy-ish, texture.

    So whether it is worth it will depend on the results you seek to achieve.

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      sandylc RE: ipsedixit Jan 29, 2013 09:30 AM

      My question is that I am not sure that the fluffiness has really happened for me. I did the whole-wheat pan loaf from Christine's website and it was not noticably lighter than a typical whole-wheat sandwich loaf.

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        ipsedixit RE: sandylc Jan 29, 2013 09:51 AM

        Then, I think the question should be framed, "What did I do wrong when using Tangzhong?" or "What's the best way to maximize Tangzhong?"

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          sandylc RE: ipsedixit Jan 29, 2013 10:10 AM

          O.K.

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            ipsedixit RE: sandylc Jan 29, 2013 10:23 AM

            It might also help to tell us what you did, or didn't do, and how you did it.

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              sandylc RE: ipsedixit Jan 29, 2013 10:37 AM

              Here it is:

              http://en.christinesrecipes.com/2012/...

              P.S. Experienced breadmaker here.

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                ipsedixit RE: sandylc Jan 29, 2013 10:42 AM

                My guess is that you overkneaded the dough. Did you knead by hand or machine?

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                  sandylc RE: ipsedixit Jan 29, 2013 10:55 AM

                  Kitchenaid for just a few minutes on low. Just until the initial stickiness was gone.

    2. lilham RE: sandylc Jan 29, 2013 02:51 AM

      I have followed the tangzhong recipes from Christine's blog and have very good results. I followed the method and made individual buns, like those in bakeries.

      http://www.christinesrecipes.com/sear...

      I'm not sure what method you are using. But I make the flour/water paste the night before, store in the fridge, and then make the dough in a breadmaker. (Christine's method uses a breadmaker). The resulting bread is sweet and soft, like the bread we have in Hong Kong. It doesn't store as long on the kitchen bench as shop bought bread in HK, however.

      PS. Christine has a tangzhong loaf made entirely in a breadmaker. I can't see that being very labour intensive. I haven't tried it though.

      1. Antilope RE: sandylc Feb 10, 2013 03:10 PM

        I made Tangzhong Cinnamon Swirl Japanese Milk Bread.

        I used the traditional Tangzhong Japanese Milk Bread recipe from the link below and adapted it to a Cinnamon Swirl Bread with Craisins:
        http://kirbiecravings.com/2010/12/mil...

        I didn't have any plain milk in the house, so I substituted 1/2 cup of buttermilk. Other than that, I followed the recipe exactly from the website.

        I used my bread machine dough cycle to knead and for the 1st rise.

        But when it came to shaping the loaf, I shaped it into a traditional Cinnamon Swirl Loaf and used this filling below.

        What a wonderful dough to roll out and work with. It was so light and smooth. Hardly any snap back when rolling out. A pleasure to work with.

        Filling:
        1 egg, beaten with 1 tsp vanilla extract (for egg wash inside and outside).

        1/2 cup Craisins (Dried Cranberries).

        Mix these dry ingredients together, sprinkle as filling:
        2 Tablespoons white granulated sugar
        2 Tablespoons brown sugar
        2 teaspoons Penzey's Vietnamese cinnamon
        2 teaspoons Penzey's Apple Pie Spice
        1 Tablespoon flour

        Placed shaped loaf in 9x5-in loaf pan. Standard rise (about 1 hour) and baking at 350-F until center of loaf reached 195-F.

        This was the lightest, highest rising, best tasting Cinnamon Swirl Bread I have ever made. It is so light and fluffy.

        This will be my go to Cinnamon Swirl Bread in the future.

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          sandylc RE: Antilope Feb 10, 2013 03:31 PM

          Nice. Thanks!

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            Antilope RE: Antilope Feb 10, 2013 04:32 PM

            I make the TangZhong roux in an 1100-watt microwave. Use a pyrex cup. 100-gm room temperature water, 20-gm flour. Mix well with whisk.
            -Microwave 20-seconds. Stir, take temperature. Will be about 120-F.
            -Microwave 10-seconds. Stir, take temperature. Will be about 135-F.
            -Microwave 10 more seconds. Stir, take temperature. Will be about 145-F.
            -Microwave a final 5-seconds. Stir and take temp. The roux is at about 150-F.
            The roux will be thick and creamy and a translucent white color.
            Cool to below 130-F, mix with other wet ingredients and add to bread maker.

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              sandylc RE: Antilope Feb 10, 2013 04:53 PM

              I like the microwave use here. The microwave is good at so many non-traditional things (read: things other than heating crappy processed food).

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              Antilope RE: Antilope Feb 17, 2013 10:38 AM

              Here's a link to my Tangzhong Cinnamon Swirl Japanese Milk Bread recipe:

              http://community.kingarthurflour.com/...

               
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                sandylc RE: Antilope Feb 17, 2013 11:49 AM

                Thanks!

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                  ohmyyum RE: Antilope Feb 17, 2013 12:20 PM

                  That is very impressive! Are you a seasoned baker, or is this sth a novice could accomplish?

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                    Antilope RE: ohmyyum Feb 17, 2013 12:32 PM

                    If you have baked a loaf of bread before, this is easy.

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