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Best restaurants to sit at the bar and eat?

OC Mutt Jan 19, 2013 05:23 PM

Manhattan hounds, what are the best restaurants to sit at the bar and eat? Babbo was good, as was Minetta Tavern and Balthazar, but am looking for other places like that. Your help as always is appreciated.

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  1. ttoommyy RE: OC Mutt Jan 19, 2013 06:14 PM

    In no particular order we love:
    Otto
    Manzo
    Gramercy Tavern
    Union Square Cafe
    Blue Smoke

    The all have great food and exceptional, personable bar staff.

    1. ipsedixit RE: OC Mutt Jan 19, 2013 06:25 PM

      In the non-sushi category, I nominate The Modern or Gordon Ramsay. Lots of good eye candy.

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        kathryn RE: OC Mutt Jan 19, 2013 06:28 PM

        I assume you want somewhere that you can just drop in and dine sans reservation?

        What about more upscale fine dining restaurants, are you willing to consider those (assuming you brought a jacket with you -- I see your profile says you are from the LA area)?

        Very few restaurants do not serve any food at their bar/waiting areas -- the NoMad, Bouley, La Grenouille, Le Cirque, Four Seasons, there may be a few more I'm missing. But it's not that long a list. Momofuku Ko, Blanca, and Brooklyn Fare don't take walk ins, but they are the exception, not the rule...

        So essentially, all of the city is in play... unless you have other criteria? Babbo, Minetta, and Balthazar are all great, and I love them, but what about other non-French, non-Italian cuisines? If so, my top picks for you would be Momofuku Ssam Bar, The Breslin, and Txikito. You might also look into Acme, not sure if there is any New Nordic cooking where you are. And while you have fine Mexican and Chinese food in LA, you might want to look into Empellon Cocina (totally non-traditional take by Alex Stupak, formerly of Alinea) or Mission Chinese (esp if you don't get out to SF often).

        If you do want to go upscale and get the absolute "best" restaurants (NYT 4 star sort of thing):

        Le Bernardin serves the full prix fixe and tasting at their bar but not the lounge tables.

        Daniel also serves the full prix fixe and tasting in their lounge. You can reserve on OpenTable.

        Del Posto serves the prix fixe menu but not the tasting menu at the bar last I heard. I think they also offer a la carte at the bar.

        EMP and Per Se only serve a la carte at their respective bars and salons, not the tasting.

        Jean Georges does not really have a bar; the bar is inside of Nougatine. I've been told you can get the JG menu at Nougatine but I haven't tested this myself.

        Jackets are required for dinner at Per Se, Jean Georges (but not Nougatine), Le Bernardin, and Daniel. Jackets are preferred at Del Posto and Eleven Madison Park.

        Some bar areas, like the Nougatine at Jean Georges, Bar Room at the Modern, and Tavern Room at Gramercy Tavern, have a different menu than their respective formal dining rooms. I had a great meal a few months ago at the Bar Room at the Modern, and it would be a nice break atmosphere wise from where you've already been.

        Also the bar at WD-50 is also the only place you can order a la carte. Bar diners can order either of the tasting menus or any two courses for $25; additional courses can be added at $15 per course from either menu.

        Nearly all of Mario Batali's restaurants have bar dining and walk in tables. Since you've already been to Babbo, you may not want to do a different one, however, Casa Mono is fairly different (being Spanish raciones).

        You can also dine solo at the bar at Scarpetta, Osteria Morini, or Locanda Verde.

        April Bloomfield's restaurants are typically bar dining friendly (Spotted Pig, Breslin, John Dory Oyster Bar, and the newest--Salvation Taco), if you're willing to wait for a seat to open up. Bloomfield's typically spots don't take reservations for small parties at all.

        Danny Meyer's restaurants also are walk in friendly. Bar Room at the Modern (mentioned above) or Maialino's front room, the bar and lounge area.

        Same for Gabe Stulman's places: Joseph Leonard, Jeffrey's Grocery, Fedora (Au Pied de Cochon alum, whose cooking I think is a bit underrated), Chez Sardine (despite the name it is an untraditional Japanese izakaya), and Perla (ex-Babbo chef).

        A lot of the places on this Where to Eat Right Now heatmap by Eater would work as well. The Marrow (Top Chef Harold Dieterle's new restaurant), Salvation Taco, Hanjan (new spot from the Danji chef), Mighty Quinn's, Louro (Dave Santos)...
        http://ny.eater.com/archives/2013/01/...

        Previously:
        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/833617

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          deprofundis RE: kathryn Jan 20, 2013 12:04 AM

          You can get the full prix fixe and tasting menus at the lounge tables at Le Bernardin.

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            H Manning RE: deprofundis Jan 20, 2013 04:18 AM

            That's right.

            Lincoln serves the full menu at the bar but not the bar tables.

            At Nougatine, you can also get the full Jean-Georges menu at the bar.

            Ma Peche serves a limited bar menu but not the full dining room menu.

            Some other restaurants that serve the full menu at the bar:

            Marea
            Picholine
            Boulud Sud
            Bar Boulud
            Louro
            Il Buco Aiimentari e Vineria
            Perla
            Momofuku Ssam Bar

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              deepfry7 RE: H Manning Jan 24, 2013 07:05 AM

              Can you really get the full Jean Georges dining room menu at the Nougatine bar? Even at lunch?

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                peter j RE: deepfry7 Jan 24, 2013 08:04 AM

                Yes you can. You can even get the J-G tasting menu (including canapes) at the Nougatine bar at lunch. You just need to specify to the bartender that you would like to see the J-G and not the Nougatine menu, and they're always happy to accommodate.

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              jester99 RE: deprofundis Jan 23, 2013 08:35 AM

              and also, at the lounge and bar, jacket is not required, but prefered at bernardin

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              andrew_eats RE: kathryn Jan 20, 2013 02:16 AM

              Wow Kathryn, you sure do eat well.

              I thought Salumeria Rossi was pretty fun when in a casual mood.

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                OC Mutt RE: kathryn Jan 20, 2013 08:27 AM

                Thanks Kathryn! I've seen Kathryn's posts over the past 4-5 years and she's a very well informed chowhound poster. Did someone say that Per Se had a la carte at their bar? if so is it good for solo? Any idea of the ballpark cost? I'm not really in for the full tasting menu, but would love to try it.

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                  kathryn RE: OC Mutt Jan 20, 2013 09:01 AM

                  The salon at Per Se is more like a lounge than a bar. The menu is posted online:
                  http://www.tkrg.org/upload/ps_menu.pdf

                  Scroll to the last page for the Salon menu.

                  More discussion here:
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/879487

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                    calf RE: OC Mutt Jan 20, 2013 11:15 AM

                    The Salon is about 1/3 to 1/2 the cost of the tasting menu, for 3-4 courses. It's a la carte, but you will probably want 2-3 dishes plus 1 dessert. So the 9 course dinner is just barely a smidge better value, at 295.

                    The 5-course lunch menu on weekends is also slightly pricier, per course—5 courses for 185. But that menu always looks really interesting.

                    And the other main advantage of eating at the Salon is you don't need undergo the psychological pain of trying to secure a reservation.

                2. misnatalie RE: OC Mutt Jan 19, 2013 10:29 PM

                  Ai Fiori

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                    plf515 RE: OC Mutt Jan 20, 2013 07:44 AM

                    Maialino is excellent.

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                      ttoommyy RE: plf515 Jan 20, 2013 08:20 AM

                      We love Maialino and wanted to recommend it, but it is the only Danny Meyer restaurant where we had indifferent service at the bar. Plus, the bar stools were quite uncomfortable.

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                        OC Mutt RE: plf515 Jan 20, 2013 08:28 AM

                        Thanks to all of the NYC hounds for their kind generous advice. I'm going to hit Ess-A-Bagel this morning as is my ritual when I get to the city, and will report back on the remaining dining choices. Again, your council, as always is much appreciated!

                      2. OC Mutt RE: OC Mutt Jan 31, 2013 03:40 PM

                        Report: I ended up going to DB Bistro Moderne, Per Se and Bon Chon. DB Bistro Moderne was wonderful, they have high tables instead of a bar for communal dining which isn't optimal but the staff treated very well, especially the manager. I tried the McGregor Farms Salad and their famous burger of course (see photo attached). "THE ORIGINAL db BURGER: Sirloin Burger Filled with Braised Short Ribs Foie Gras and Black Truffle, Served on a Parmesan Bun with Pommes Frites." The salad was a bit difficult to eat (micro-greens are impossible to spear with a fork) and rather small, but very tasty. The burger was terrific. Perfectly cooked too. My minor issues are that it is taller than it is wide making the mechanics of eating rather challenging and the Dijon, which was sharp and hot, did slightly overwhelm the burger. Also, the Foie Gras gets lost in the shuffle. This is not the #1 burger for me (Minnetta Tavern's is #1, and 25Degrees in LA is #2) this is a solid #3 and is legitimately a gourmet experience. I really enjoyed it. The fries were perfectly cooked as well and remained warm for quite some time (cold fries are a pet peeve). Per Se, lived entirely up to the hype. The food was spectacular. The salon was certainly the way to go though I will say that eating on a couch isn't optimal. I had a spectacular view of the park as I dined on the famous Oysters and Pearls, and Butter Poached Lobster Tail. Both were absolute perfection. For dessert I shot the moon a little bit with an apple tarte interpretation that I didn't, for lack of an explanation, really understand but nonetheless appreciated for it's creativity but it didn' t matter as everything else was beyond superb. They also were very generous with extras including a spectacular salmon torch, and warm gruyere amuse bouche, along with candy's for dessert and cookies to take home. They treated me like a king and even though service was included, I could not help but add extra gratuity to the final bill. Finally Bon Chon on a freezing night after a brutally long day of meetings, was just what the Dr. ordered. They were close to my hotel, had a bar, and it was quick too. I had the half and half Korean fried chicken wings (half spicy and half sweet soy garlic) and they are as advertised, addicting. If you are midtown, Bon Chon is a real treat for something different. Thanks again NYC hounds for your always generous advice.

                         
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                          BobbiD RE: OC Mutt Feb 9, 2013 09:24 AM

                          I always enjoy wolfgang's. Six oysters, slice of bacon, and a filet.

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