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Four days in Los Angeles


I asked this question on the forum dedicated to San Francisco and I had
many answers.


I hope you will also contribute to the same question that I put on the website of LA.
Thank you in advance! ..

We are French and we will stay a few days in Los Angeles in May 2013.

We will stay at near 800 South Curson Avenue, Los Angeles

Do you know any restaurants located near the periphery of this location? ..

We can use our rental car, but we do not want to make many kilometers.

Of course, we want to avoid upscale restaurants and favor those who could help us discover the different flavors of the city: American (Burger),Mexican, Italian, Chinese ... (French, we know! ......


Thank you in advance.

Excuse our bad English ...

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  1. You will be close to Little Ethiopia so places like Rahel, Meals by Genet and Nyala would be very much worth checking out.

    1. Within a "short" walk of that area is Animal, Angelini Osteria, Mendocino Farms, AOC and a personal favorite of mine, Yuko.

      Further east is Koreatown, which probably deserves a whole thread of its own.

      If you want Chinese you will *need* to drive to San Gabriel Valley. Search these boards for "SGV" and "Chinese"

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      1. re: ipsedixit

        @servorg, ipsedixit,
        Thank you

        When you mention "YUKO" Is this restaurant ?...


        I look toward the San Gabriel Valley! ....

        In the event that I would need more information I will certainly contact you again.

        1. re: topfrance

          Yes, that's the Yuko restaurant I am talking about.

          It's not a "destination" place, but just a place I like to go when I am in the area.

          Enjoy your visit, and definitely let us know if you want/need info on SGV.

          1. re: ipsedixit

            I thought that SGV was a restaurant ! .. But no, after thinking it is an abbreviation of San Gabriel Valley ... Now I understand! ..

            San Gabriel Valley is in the north of Los Angeles? ..

            Is the circulation fluid to get there! ...

            Finally, iis it in this area that we can find good Chinese restaurants! ..

            I ask again the question because I want to be sure of my translation.

            Thank you

            1. re: topfrance

              Very little in way of circulation (traffic) is fluid in Los Angeles, but you just set your mind on some other task and proceed to your destination.

              1. re: topfrance

                The SGV is located about 15-20 kilometers east of where you will be staying. It is a large valley that is home to over a milliion people.

                I recommend going to the western part of the SGV. There are literally hundreds of Chinese restaurants in that area. You can drive on the 10 freeway to get there. It is NOT easy to get there with a bus or train.

                There are many types of Chinese restaurants with food from different parts of China. If you want something, let us know, and we can help you with finding a good restaurant. This is the best area in the entire US to eat Chinese food.

                For example, do you want noodles, rice, roast duck, dim sum, vegetarian, spicy foods, etc.?

                If you don't understand these terms, don't be afraid to ask. There are many people who would be happy to help you with your questions.

                1. re: raytamsgv

                  I would therefore ask you! ..

                  Indeed, as I mentioned in a post above, we would like to try the Dim Sum we do not know in France (perhaps in Paris! ...)

                  With regard to other Chinese restaurants, we do not like those who have too gelatinous dishes, but those cooked in spicy sauce (reasonably ..) ... or skewers (chicken, beef, etc ...) .

                  I asked the same question on the forum in San Francisco, but it is possible to consider the little time we provided we will not try to SF! .. So we will try to LA!

                  I write with my dictionary with me but the translation is not easy! .. Time school is long gone! ..

                  I have another question! .. We are 65 years old and friends who traveled to the United States told us that people our age could benefit off! ... Is this true?

                  Thank you in advance.

                  1. re: topfrance

                    Seeing as how you mentioned "skewers" in this reply then you definitely should try Feng Mao for their mutton kabob skewers. See this post for two links to earlier reports about Feng Mao here on Chowhound: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8741...

                    1. re: topfrance

                      If you decide to visit the San Gabriel Valley, Sweethome Grill on Valley Blvd in the city of San Gabriel offers various skewers. Lamb, lamb heart/kidney, chicken wing, squid, mushroom and garlic are our usual orders. The prominent spice notes are cumin, chile and salt - you have to like cumin or this place and style of skewer is not for you. Their noodle dishes are great as well. The noodles are hand-pulled to order - very toothsome, substantial and satisfying. The "Big Plate Chicken" is also quite good, but as this dish is described, it is quite large. The sauce is complex, the dish is very rustic, and bring disposable wipes or large napkins!

                      I frequent the San Gabriel Valley (SGV) somewhat regularly, and if I may offer some observations:

                      The SGV is a large area that is home to primarily Chinese, Vietnamese and other Asian Communities. Many areas are very dense with their respective cultures, primarily food. And the Chinese communities can be subdivided into many groups, depended on their roots' geography, cultural, language, political or religious background. Driving down the busier streets in SGV, like Valley, Garvey, Las Tunas, Main, and Garfield, one will observe many businesses with signage in Chinese characters or Vietnamese in romanized characters. This is very telling of the breadth and density of the cultures here. This is also telling of the language barrier one might experience.

                      Although English is understood, it is at varying levels and can be quite random. Knowing certain phrases in Mandarin, Cantonese or Vietnamese is helpful but not necessary. Smart phones have incredibly good translator applications - use them if you have one. When it comes to conversing in English, I've found that the larger the place, the more likely one will be able to use English more effectively. Also, many of the immigrants who own businesses have their American-born children working there as well, and their English skills are obviously excellent.

                      Getting to the SGV is quite easy - use the 10 freeway to get there. Navigating the the general area can be quite confusing. The SGV consists of many small cities. The block numbers along the main streets can change seemingly quite randomly as new visitors unknowingly pass from one small city to the next. If your phone or car has GPS capabilities, this will be invaluable to navigating not only the SGV, but California as a whole.

                      Dim sum is the most common Chinese food experience for non-Chinese. Because of this (and because dim sum houses tend to be the physically largest places for served food), basic English for the most part is widely understood by the managers, hosts/hostesses and many of the staff who you will come in contact with.

                      Dim sum is served in one of two methods. Food carts that offer each table various dishes, or ordering off of a menu that lists the various items - most of which have accompanying photographs. Because English is not your preferred language, as is the case for many of those that you encounter in the SGV, and because you can use your eyes and nose to inspect and order dim sum from the cart, this may be a good choice for you. These cart-driven dim sum houses tend to be very large, the prices can be very attractive, and are more lively and loud. It is quite an experience for the first time visitor. I would choose 888 Seafood Restaurant on Valley Blvd in Rosemead for this experience.

                      Places where ordering off a menu offer more choices of dim sum dishes, the level of cuisine tends to be better and fresher, and the atmosphere is usually more calm. Others have already mentioned Sea Harbour on Rosemead Blvd in Rosemead (also my favorite), but Elite on Atlantic Blvd in Monterey Park is equally as good in different ways, and King Hua on New Ave in San Gabriel has been quite easy to visit on weekends and is very good as well.

                      Dim sum is usually served from about 9AM - 2PM - daily at many places, but most frequented on the weekends. The busiest period is from 11AM -1:30PM on the weekend. I tend to eat dim sum early, particularly on weekends. The traffic is light, being part of the early crowd makes for easy parking, seating and lower noise levels. The one disadvantage I can think of is if you go to a cart-driven dim sum house, the number of choices tends to be less during the first hour or so of business.

                      I may be banished for this next suggestion, but using the website, Yelp, is quite handy for visitors. Unlike Chowhound, referencing general information on restaurants is very easy. One has to be suspect of the user ratings scales - places like McDonald's can rate very high, while Chowhound-approved places can rate average - but the accessibility of information is unsurpassed.

                      The LA board has some true experts in Chinese cuisines. In my humble opinion, you should take full advantage of their knowledge and advice. Unless you plan on visiting Chinese East Asia (or parts of Canada) any time soon, taking in the SGV will be a quick and easy way to immerse yourself in a totally different culture.

                      1. re: topfrance

                        >>I have another question! .. We are 65 years old and friends who traveled to the United States told us that people our age could benefit off! ... Is this true?<<

                        I'm not positive, but are you inquiring about what is referred to here as, "senior citizen discounts"? I have very little knowledge of this other than certain businesses - primarily restaurant chains - offer discounts to senior citizens, particularly when dining at certain business hours.

                        1. re: topfrance

                          Unfortunately most restaurants in the LA area do not offer senior discounts, but it can never hurt to ask. Also remember tips and gratuity are usually not included on your bill.
                          Museums and other attractions often do offer special senior prices.

                          1. re: topfrance

                            I suggest you do Koi Palace in SF (by the airport) and down here you try a different region of Chinese food. Maybe Duck House for Peking duck 2 ways and the many other dishes they well. For Shanghainese food try Shanghai Seafood #1 Village or J&J right across the street.

                            Other excellent LA restaurants worth a little drive include Red Medicine and Gjelina. For excellent pasta and pizza try Sotto. I consider it one of LA's best right now. It would be nice to try some Japanese cuisine. If you are comfortable making the drive to SGV using GPS then you might consider making the drive to Torrance for Torihei. Check yelp for photos. They have excellent grilled chicken dishes and Japanese "tapas". If the drive is too far, you can always try Musha in Santa Monica.

                            For burgers and other little plates with lots of beer, try Father's Office in Culver City.

                            1. re: Porthos

                              I saw on the forum dedicated to the San Francisco Koi Palace was a renowned restaurant! ..

                              However, our hotel is located 13 miles from this restaurant.

                              I'll find out if the road is easy and fast! ..

                              1. re: topfrance

                                Are you driving from SF to LA or flying? Either way, you will be passing by Koi Palace. Allow 1.5-2 hours wait. It's well worth it. Get the whole crab soup dumplings aka xiao long bao. If you do dim sum at Koi Palace there is no need to do dim sum in LA. I'll be back there myself in 2 weeks.

                                1. re: Porthos

                                  We will begin our tour of San Francisco, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and finally San Diego! ... Extensive program! ..

                                  When we will leave San Francisco, this will be the morning to go to Monterey, our second step. So we leave SF in the morning, we cross Daly City at about 9 or 10 o'clock.

                                  Therefore, you agree that it is unfortunately a little early for lunch !...

                                  The only solution is to book a dinner on one of the 4 days we will stay in SF.

                                  1. re: topfrance

                                    Actually, 9-10am is perfect since your wait will be much less and dim sum is eaten anytime between 10-3am. note that restaurant hours for dim sum vary depending on day of the week. Saturday and Sunday are busiest but also with the largest selection. Dinner is an entirely different menu. More live seafood cooked simply and deliciously. The same is true of the Cantonese restaurants down here which serve dim sum for brunch/lunch Saturday and Sunday and seafood dinners at night. Dinners at these places can be very expensive. You said you wanted to avoid fine dining. For dinner these restaurants can be as expensive as any fine dining restaurant.

                            2. re: topfrance

                              for skewered meat you might consider Middle Eastern (Persian) food which would involve far less driving.

                              My favorite place for skewered meat is Shamshiri Grill which is located on westwood blvd.

                              Other types of Persian food ( including excellent soup) can be found at Attari sandwich shop. although the address for Attari is shown as being on westwood blvd, the true, physical entrance is around the corner on Wilkins.

                              1. re: westsidegal

                                Love Shamshiri Grill and love me some Persian food. But there is a lot of great middle eastern food in Paris.

                                1. re: Porthos

                                  When we go to Paris, it is true that we eat well! ...

                                  However, I live in Calais in northern France. This is the city that hosts the Channel Tunnel to get to Britain. The food is not as noted as we know in Paris! ..

                                  1. re: topfrance

                                    In that case I also recommend Shamshiri grill. My favorites include the lamb koobideh and lamb shank or lamb neck gormeh sabzi (stew).

                                  2. re: Porthos

                                    I guess it might help topfrance if we elaborate on the skewers. The two styles mentioned so far are vastly different. The lamb skewers that are popular as street food throughout China are called Yang Rou Chuan. Here's a wikipedia entry:


                                    The Persian skewer dish that is served at Persian restaurants like Shamshiri is Chelow kabab. It is far more formal, usually served on a bed of rice and vastly different in size and seasoning:


                                    While I truly enjoy both, I think for topfrance's purposes relative to time, location, convenience and comfort, I agree that Shamshiri would probably be more suitable for this specific request. The meals at Shamshiri are a great value as well when considering its location, setting and service.

                                    1. re: bulavinaka

                                      Here in France, the Chinese restaurant also serves chicken skewers cooked with spices called "five flavors"
                                      This dish is often accompanied with rice.
                                      Another spicy sauce (strong enough) is served on the side.

                                      1. re: topfrance

                                        If this dish is based on the Chinese concept of, "Five Flavors," the seasoning most likely used is commonly referred to as, "Chinese Five Spice." This is very different from the seasoning used in the skewers that are currently popular in China. This street food originated from areas that are primarily Muslim. Cumin, chile, garlic and salt are the major seasonings.

                                        1. re: bulavinaka

                                          I see that you are truly an expert in gastronomy .

                                          Be assured that I will use all your advice disseminating at my circle of acquaintances.

                                          We look forward to "taste" the sun also of your country.

                                          Here in France, we have now a big snow storm.

                                          1. re: topfrance

                                            Expert? No. I have learned a lot from those who know and have experienced far more than me. I just tend to be long-winded! The advice and recommendations given by others are just as valid if not more so than mine.

                                            Many living in Los Angeles (the area) probably miss snow storms, depending on where they grew up. We had a bit of a "cold snap" here last week - my neighborhood hit a low of about 3 degrees celsius (37 degrees fahrenheit). This is nice Spring weather for those from our country's Midwest, but for this native Angeleno, it was teeth-chattering. The remedy? Asturian bean stew!

                                            1. re: topfrance

                                              I wanted to say that I love your English! You write it very well.

                                              1. re: Violatp

                                                Thank you very much ! ...

                                                You encourage me! ... In fact, I assure you that it is difficult for me to "dive" back into the practice of the English language.

                                                Fear during different exchange is inadvertently use of words or phrases "double meaning"

                                  3. re: topfrance

                                    I think others have given some good advice about restaurants to go to. Your English is fine. Many of the larger Chinese restaurants will have pictures and someone who speaks English.

                                    In these restaurants, there may be a few non-Chinese customers, but most of them will be Chinese.

                                    Customer service is very different in many of the Chinese restaurants. You won't have someone coming to your table to check on you to see if you need anything. If you need something, such as water, forks, or the check, try to make eye contact with one of the waiters and raise your hand.

                                    This is normal. In Chinese custom, waiters try not to bother you when you are eating.

                                    Chinese restaurants can also be very loud, because many Chinese people talk loudly. They are not arguing.

                                    Some of the bigger Chinese restaurants may have a small wine list, but many won't.

                                    If you see an interesting dish on someone else's table, ask about it. It's okay to point to it.

                                    Most restaurants will take credit cards, but some of the smaller ones will take only cash. Bring along some cash just in case.

                                    In some of the seafood restaurants, you will see live fish, crabs, shrimp, and lobster. Unless it's next to the front door, they are NOT for decoration. If you order one, they will take it out of the tank and cook it. If you order a fish, they might actually take it to your table for your approval before killing and cooking it (in the kitchen, not at your table).

                                    Best of luck, and welcome to Southern California!

                                    1. re: raytamsgv

                                      thank you raytamsgv,

                                      I would never have believed attract as many people on this topic.

                                      It is very surprising and amazing ! ..

                                      The hardest part now is to synthesize and also and above all to make the best choices.

                                      1. re: topfrance

                                        Make up a list of the places you are planning on and post it here for those who are interested in commenting on it. That way you can refine it and perhaps avoid some mistakes that wouldn't be apparent to you.

                                        1. re: Servorg

                                          I'll follow your advice.
                                          However, it will wait several days before I post my program.

                                          1. re: topfrance

                                            One thing topfrance, that no one has mentioned. Portion size in the U.S. is generally larger than that in Europe, and can be much larger. We are about your age, and although we often enjoyed both lunch and dinner when we were younger, it's generally too much for us now. It's not that our appetites are especially small, it's that portion size is often very large.

                                            Unless you are big eaters, I would urge you to try to eat a very light lunch (if any at all) on days when you are going somewhere really special for dinner.

                                            1. re: josephnl

                                              Thank you.

                                              This is what I saw actually consulting the various websites available on this topic.

                                              We are not big eaters ! ...

                                              What I am proposing is to establish a schedule of visits that we made ​​during our stay in Los Angeles.

                                              We opted to eat lunch quickly and enjoy the evening at dinner. I mention places respectively to visit the restaurant that we seem closer and more acceptable.

                                              I think this table set in the coming days. You give me, as usual, your opinion insightful that I propose.

                                              I think this is the correct approach .. I do not want to "get lost in the labyrinth" of the huge amount of proposals received.

                        2. You are very close to The Original Farmers Market on 3rd and Fairfax. Open every day with food stalls of all kinds from Tacos to Hot Dogs to pizza to Brazilian BBQ and much more for a taste of LA.

                          Across the Street is Mendocino Farms for wonderful sandwiches.

                          One of the best burgers in town is at Golden State on Fairfax north of Beverly Blvd.

                          You can catch a quick bite for lunch or to go at Joan's on 3rd.

                          Canter's Deli is open 24/7 and is also on Fairfax Blvd as is Du-par's for breakfast all day and night.

                          For a little fancier is Ray and Stark's Bar at LACMA with a great outdoor patio in the center courtyard of the museum. They are also part of DineLA with discounted meals January 21st-Feb 1st. 2013

                          Welcome to LA!

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                          1. re: wienermobile

                            Thank you very much !..

                            And for a burrito ?...

                            We also love Chinese restaurants! ...

                            I saw that in your Internet browsing California cities, there were any typical restaurants are called "Dim Sum"! .. We do not have this type of restaurant in France ..

                            I see the side of San Gabriel Valley as recommended ipsedixit @! .. Unless you have an information about it! ..

                            I also enjoy my consultation to identify Chinese restaurants.

                            This site Chowhound, is so great that I get lost ...

                            Excuse my very bad english! ..

                            1. re: topfrance

                              Not far from you is Bao Dim Sum House.
                              8256 Beverly Boulevard, West Hollywood, CA

                              But the best dim sum can be found in the San Gabriel Valley, My favorite is Sea Harbour in Rosemead off the 10 freeway at Rosemead Blvd (about 30-45 minute drive depending on traffic).

                              1. re: topfrance

                                For dim sum go to San Gabriel Valley and try either Sea Harbour, Elite or Lunasia.

                                Best to go on the weekends and b/c it is generally considered a brunch item, need to be there between 9 am to 2 pm.

                                Below is a very quick, rough search of dim sum in SGV on Chowhound.

                                1. re: ipsedixit

                                  I think if you go before 11 you can make a reservation at Lunasia.

                                2. re: topfrance

                                  Your are not far from El Coyote Cafe for inexpensive mexican food. There are much better places farther away but this might do the trick for your burrito search.

                                  You could also check out Tinga on La Brea Blvd.

                                  1. re: wienermobile

                                    you also might like Ricky's Fish Tacos, just a stand in East Hollywood only open for lunch Thursday-Sundays. Authentic Ensenada Style Fish & Shrimp Tacos...but so good and cheap.
                                    1400 N. Virgil, Los Angeles

                                  2. re: topfrance

                                    For a burrito nearby I'd try Loteria in te Farmers Market.

                                    1. re: Savour

                                      Thank you !..

                                      Small question! .. What is the difference between Taco and Burrito? ..

                                      1. re: topfrance

                                        The closest thing I can think of that you are familiar with are crepes. Think of both a burrito and a taco starting with a small to large crepe-like round called a tortilla (tor-tee-uh). The burrito utilizes a large tortilla (usually wheat flour-based). It is laid flat, where various ingredients are laid upon it, then the tortilla is folded and rolled. The primary ingredient is usually a protein, but can also be cheese or chile. And being that this is California, one can see other iterations as well. It is very transportable, making it a very common lunch item. You can wiki or google "burrito" for images and description as well.

                                        A taco utilizes a small to medium tortilla (usually corn flour-based - the corn flour mixture is called, masa). Like the burrito, the tortilla is laid flat. A few ingredients are laid into the center of the tortilla, where it is then folded in half or slightly rolled. The main ingredient is usually protein-based, but can also be cheese or potato or... The amount of ingredients and the size of the taco is normally where one can finish it in a few bites, making it ideal street food. Again, utilize wikipedia or google for more info...

                                  3. re: wienermobile

                                    Wiener, they are here in May. Don't confuse them by flinging out terms like DineLA!

                                      1. re: wienermobile

                                        Wiener, Do not apologize! ... Already, your participation deserves praise I send you! ..

                                  4. Thank you all for your valuable and different contributions ! ....

                                    1. I agree that avoiding the freeways is a good idea, but I wouldn't worry about driving a mile or two from your hotel. I think you'll find LA drivers reasonably forgiving, and you'll greatly expand your dining choices.

                                      1. +1 for Ray's and Stark Bar especially as it is very very close.

                                        Also, while not as good as good as Golden State and many other burgers around town, there are good burgers very very close to you at the Counter. There are a handful of locations around the city so make sure you don't end up heading to one out of the area, the one by you is on Wilhire, right on the corner East of the Tar Pits. The only thing to beware of at the Counter (you build your own burger from a wide selection of choices for toppings) is putting too many things on your burger--keep it simple. And if you get your burer fix at another place, there is no need to force the Counter into your stay, it just happens to be one block away.

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                                        1. re: ellaystingray

                                          Thank you !..

                                          Excuse me! ... Can you send me the GPS coordinates from Google Map because I can not detect the location you describe.

                                          1. re: topfrance

                                            You might be encountering difficulty in finding The Counter's coordinates due to the street name given. It is Wilshire. I think the location to which ellaystingray is referring to is 5779 Wilshire Blvd, Los Angeles, CA 90036.

                                            Burgers are everywhere in LA. You may want to parse a current thread (it is very long) on burgers.


                                            The selection around the general area you are staying has a fair amount of good choices as well. I tend to be somewhat of a traditionalist when it comes to burgers, but this dish has evolved in different ways over the past five or so years, so if there are particular types of ingredients you would be leaning toward, feel free to ask. Burgers are one of the most common topics on this board.

                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                              Thank you bulavinaka

                                              I found it! ..

                                              In France, all our prices are all taxes included.

                                              We have two rates in France: one for food and another for alcoholic beverages (which is higher! ..)

                                              What is the tax rate in California for restaurants? ... is it the same for food and wine? ...

                                              1. re: topfrance

                                                Sales tax in the City of Los Angeles is 9% on food and beverages and is added to your bill and not listed on the menu prices.

                                                1. re: wienermobile

                                                  also, in restaurants that provide seating and waiter service, it is customary to tip the server at least 15% of the bill in addition to the bill and the tax.

                                                  1. re: wienermobile

                                                    OP should know that sales tax differs in other cities outside of LA city proper, but within LA County. Santa Monica, for instance, sales tax is 9.5%.

                                                  2. re: topfrance

                                                    Do keep in mind that the concept of "service compris" does generally not exist in the US. So, your restaurant bill will show the total of prices from the menu, and then an additional 9% tax will be added by the restaurant. Except for fast food places like McDonald's where tipping does not occur, it is absolutely expected and necessary to add a tip/gratuity of at least 15% to the bill. This is generally without exception, unless you are treated rudely or receive terrible service. Most persons in LA will tip 20% for good service.

                                                    1. re: josephnl

                                                      Oh yes ..
                                                      In France, tax added by the restaurant is 7% on food and 19.60% on beer, wine, alcohol, .....

                                                      In France, the service is almost always "service included"! .. We usually leave a tip! .. Tip which is ridiculous compared to yours in the USA! .. 2 or 3 dollars regardless of the amount of the bill.

                                            2. I always respond with a lag, but here in France we have 9 hours ahead of you! ..

                                              I beseech you one last question! ..

                                              Have you also restaurants where they cook excellent BBQ Pork Ribs?

                                              Thank you in advance! ..

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                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                  Thank you, but I'm looking for Los Angeles! ....

                                                  1. re: topfrance

                                                    This fabulous bbq is in a city called Compton...
                                                    It's in the southern part of Los Angeles.

                                                    1. re: topfrance

                                                      The BBQ place Servorg recommended is considered the best down here. The area is not very nice and you may feel a bit unsafe. Plenty of people go but do keep that in mind.

                                                      There is a pretty good BBQ place in Monterey called Henry's BBQ. Not the best but very good and better than most BBQ places I've tried in California.

                                                      1. re: Porthos

                                                        There is some good BBQ much closer to where you are staying, BigMista is at the Century City (next to Beverly Hills) Farmers Market Thursdays from 11am-3pm on Ave of The Stars. Great beef brisket.


                                                        It's also possible by May when you arrive Bludso's BBQ brand new second location, in your neighborhood just a mile or so on La Brea Blvd. will be finally open. That is what I would highly recommend for you.

                                                        1. re: Porthos

                                                          Our second step is actually Monterey but in the evening we reach our guest house is located in Salinas ... At least we can in the evening to Salinas eat if you know a good restaurant ...

                                                          For your information, our steps are as follows:
                                                          - San Francisco
                                                          - Monterey (Salinas)
                                                          - Cayucos
                                                          - Los Angeles
                                                          - Las Vegas
                                                          - Grand Canyon
                                                          - San Diego
                                                          - Los Angeles airport

                                                          1. re: topfrance

                                                            On your way down from north into LA, possibly stop at Smoke City Market for their brisket. They do a texas style bbq and the set up is just like many places in central texas. Very casual, meat ordered by weight at the counter, eat off butcher paper and sit at picnic tables.

                                                            Their pork bbq ribs get mixed reactions on this board. But the brisket and sausages are the items most people like.

                                                            1. re: Jase

                                                              Indeed, it is a suggestion to study seriously.

                                                              To reach our final destination in Los Angeles, I imagine that this restaurant should be on the road to Santa Barbara to South Curson Avenue

                                                              1. re: topfrance

                                                                It would be right on the way. Coming from the north, you'd probably be taking the 405 freeway. Smoke City is easy to get too from the Burbank Blvd exit.

                                                                Afterwards, get back on the freeway going south, take Santa Monica exit to go to South Curson. The only warning is that stretch of the 405 is one of the busiest and can be a lot of traffic depending on time of day.

                                                                But it would not be out of your way to stop on your way down.


                                                          2. re: Porthos

                                                            The OP wants 'excellent bbq'...
                                                            I'm with Servong on this.

                                                            If a person, coming to LA, is well traveled they've certainly seen and been places where Compton isn't going to appear in an 'area that's not very nice'.

                                                            1. re: latindancer

                                                              I go to Bludso's pretty regularly. While I agree that seeking out good food has no boundaries, I too have my limitations.

                                                              I tend to shy away from areas with dense traffic unless I already have reasons to go to these areas outside of seeking food. As I consider myself a capable driver, I don't like the vibe in areas like I describe - it's just me.

                                                              While Compton is relatively easy to navigate, I have had a couple of experiences around Bludso's that would probably be unsettling to many tourists. I think it's always wise to at least offer a caveat to people visiting from out of town and let them decide for themselves if it is within their realm of adventure whether or not to visit a certain place or area.

                                                              1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                Yes, however, we vill reside in north-Est of Los Angeles and Compton is located squarely in the west! ..

                                                                On the other hand, as we then head to Las Vegas, Compton is not at all on our way.

                                                                1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                  You're right.

                                                                  My experience in these areas has been very benign and, in many ways, educational. I suppose others will, undoubtedly, find the area uncomfortable and I should be respectful of that.
                                                                  My interests have taken me to places that many others would certainly hesitate to venture.

                                                                2. re: Porthos

                                                                  My experiences and the places I've been are not for others, for sure.
                                                                  Because of that I'm always a little puzzled by some other's automatic, knew jerk, reaction to places in LA.
                                                                  Like you say, traveling does not always mean people visit places like Compton or places like it and I respect that.
                                                                  However, I do propose that there are places on the westside, and to the south, albeit smaller in circumference, that aren't for the 'faint of heart' either.

                                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                                    OTOH, I have a co-worker who is on temporary assignment from the UK. He grew up watching Boys in the Hood and listening to rap. He wants to visit parts of Compton and get some good bbq.

                                                                    I'm not quite sure how to fulfil his request. I get what he's saying but I'm always trying to educate visitors that although there are dangerous areas just like any city, there are many stereotypes too that just aren't true.

                                                                    1. re: Jase

                                                                      <I'm not quite sure how to fulfill his request>

                                                                      The only way I can respond to that is by saying, if I were to have listened to those about areas like that my experiences would have not been what they are.
                                                                      Of course there are stereotypes but I had to find out for myself.

                                                                      1. re: latindancer

                                                                        I worry a lot more about the drivers in Southern California. On a daily basis, they are the biggest threat to the well-being of most people.

                                                                    2. re: latindancer

                                                                      Yes, and no one has disagreed w/ you that there are places on the westside that are crap, as well. But who here is giving a "knee jerk" reaction? It seems like the posters who are warning the OP about the less savory parts of LA have actually visited the areas (in some cases, multiple times). And they've even said that, depending on one's own comfort level, the trek out to these areas for the food could be worth the possible discomfort. Not sure why you feel that you have to keep "defending" parts of LA, esp from those who also actually live here (I've been here for nearly 30 yrs)....

                                                                      At any rate, back to the main thread. To the OP, you've gotten some great recs. I also second going to dim sum at 9 or 9:30AM (the wait time will be exponentially shorter) and trying Shamshiri for kebobs.

                                                                      While you didn't mention Japanese food, you also might enjoy walking around Sawtelle Ave (just north of Olympic Blvd) on the westside of Los Angeles (west of the 405 freeway). There's a multitude of Japanese restaurants (and a small Japanese supermarket), one Chinese restaurant (called "ROC Kitchen".... you can find reviews on this board), and you'll likely see lots of UCLA students and other locals walking around, which might make for an enjoyable slice-of-life view of one part of LA.... It's also not horribly far from where you're staying.

                                                                      1. re: ilysla

                                                                        >>While you didn't mention Japanese food, you also might enjoy walking around Sawtelle Ave (just north of Olympic Blvd) on the westside of Los Angeles (west of the 405 freeway). There's a multitude of Japanese restaurants (including a small supermarket), one Chinese restaurant (you can find reviews on this board), and you'll likely see lots of UCLA students and other locals walking around, which might make for an enjoyable slice-of-life view of one part of LA.... It's also not horribly far from where you're staying.<<

                                                                        This also opens another option for skewers - yakitori and similar dishes. Nanbankan on Santa Monica Blvd, and Yakitoriya or Furaibo on Sawtelle and Olympic Blvds.

                                                                        1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                          I did not mention Japanese restaurants because I do not know! ..

                                                                          Maybe do I wrong but as soon as it evokes the Japanese, I immediately think of SUSHI! .. And I do not like raw fish! ..

                                                                          Will you manage to convince me that this kitchen has an aspect that may lead me to new flavors?

                                                                          1. re: topfrance

                                                                            No need to eat raw fish if you don't like it. How about ramen (Japanese noodle soup)? See here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/842775

                                                                            1. re: topfrance

                                                                              Japanese is not just sushi. Nanbakan would be a great idea if you're interested. They do grilled skewers of many sorts. They also have many other small dishes, perfect for trying many different flavors.

                                                                              The link should give you an idea of the type of items they offer on skewers. You can see there is much to choose that doesn't include raw fish.

                                                                              It is better to make reservations if possible.


                                                                          2. re: ilysla

                                                                            <But who here is giving a "knee jerk" reaction>

                                                                            With all due respect could you please give me an example where I stated that? I completely respect all the posters on this thread, and their very astute and accurate recommendations, and would never disrespect them intentionally.
                                                                            It's nice you've lived here as long as you have and I will say that I know several people who, in the 40+ years they've lived here, have never crossed over the forbidden La Cienega line unless they're driven by a driver to go to the theatre downtown and back again to dine on the Westside.

                                                                            1. re: latindancer

                                                                              For starters on a different thread, you berated me for mentioning that Langers is in a crappy neighborhood, and I saw junkies in the alley..... Just sayin'.

                                                                              1. re: latindancer

                                                                                Odd, my original reply seems to have been deleted by the mods. You wrote in your reply to Porthos above, "Because of that I'm always a little puzzled by some other's automatic, knew jerk, reaction to places in LA."

                                                                                And, adding to what Dirtywextraolives wrote above, I recall in another thread that you rather loudly criticized people who dared to say that Langers/Bludso's/ whatever was in a bad area.... ::shrug::

                                                                                1. re: ilysla


                                                                                  Of course I posted that comment in response to a post by Porthos. "Because of that I'm always a little puzzled by some other's automatic, knee (sp) jerk, reaction to places in LA."
                                                                                  I was never referring to anyone on this thread, quite the opposite, actually.

                                                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                                                    Well, then I apologize for the misunderstanding....

                                                                                    1. re: ilysla

                                                                                      Not a problem, at all.
                                                                                      Glad we cleared it up.

                                                                            2. re: latindancer

                                                                              I agree amazing experiences can be had off the beaten path and many times that leads to the best experiences. However, it is always wise to keep in mind safety first especially when traveling abroad. Though we may enjoy the grittier parts of town, others may not.

                                                                          3. re: Porthos

                                                                            If you don't tell them it's unsafe, they'd never know. Go during daylight hours and it's 100% safe. Go at night and it's 50% safe. It's safe. Don't scare them.

                                                                            Going to Phillips BBq is a close second, not like Jefferson is so much better.

                                                                            Bottom line is good BBQ is where the black folk are, and we're typically is less safe neighborhoods. No comment other than you really shouldn't worry about it. Enjoy our good food (BBQ, Jamaican, African) and don't worry. You'll be fine I promise.

                                                                          4. re: topfrance

                                                                            "Los Angeles," is often used as a vague general term, describing the general Los Angeles County area (which is enormous), as opposed to the area that is politically bounded as the city of Los Angeles. Because so much of the city intersects with or is adjacent to other smaller cities and municipalities, within the county of Los Angeles, it is just assumed that when someone refers to, "Los Angeles," it is the general area. This also applies to Chowhound's geographic area covered by this board.

                                                                            The city of Compton is in Los Angeles county. And while it is a city unto itself, I think many look at it as one of many neighborhoods or areas around "Los Angeles."

                                                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                              Merci pour cette précision, Bulavinaka !..

                                                                              It is true that we, French, who live in a small town of 80,000 people have many difficulties to imagine the extent of a sprawling city like Los Angeles and in particular, as you state, the assimilation of a city at a county !...

                                                                      2. I just have to say that this kind of inquiry, conversation and discussion is one of my favorite things about CH.

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                                                                        1. re: Jase

                                                                          I agree. This in many ways is reminiscent of something out of the pocket of Huell Howser. Every adventure is greeted with warmth, sincerity and fascination.

                                                                          1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                            Pouring out some Broguires on the ground in memory of Huell

                                                                            1. re: Jase

                                                                              Thanks for reminding me - I have to pick up a bottle of chocolate milk in his memory.

                                                                              1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                Have you tried the milk vendor at the Mar Vista farmer's market? I like their milk and the chocolate is very creamy and tasty.

                                                                                Picked up a quart this morning ($3) and sipping on some right now.

                                                                                1. re: Jase

                                                                                  Excuse me, but at this point I lose the thread ...

                                                                                  1. re: topfrance

                                                                                    Sorry. Huell Howser was a much beloved television host who passed away recently. He was a very warm charming person who had a show that featured visited many areas in California. He introduced the diversity of the state to many people and was a great ambassador for the state.

                                                                                    Broguiere's is a local dairy that produces excellent milk. Not mass produced or filled with added hormones which is very common these days in the US. I'm sure in France local dairies are common, but not here.

                                                                                    Huell featured them in a show and they put his face on some of their bottles.

                                                                                    1. re: Jase

                                                                                      Ok with you! ..

                                                                                      Here in France we have a lot of local dairies! ...

                                                                                      Any of these local dairies deliver to people who want milk (no cream or with cream) in a small aluminum container.

                                                                                      The milk, of course, should be boiled because it is not pasteurized! ...

                                                                                      These dairies make also cheese and butter! ...

                                                                                      Do we not have enough move on ? ... I ask myself ! .. ((And I am asking you ! ..)

                                                                                      1. re: topfrance

                                                                                        I'm sorry, I do not understand what you mean when you say

                                                                                        "Do we not have enough move on ? ... I ask myself ! "

                                                                                        1. re: Jase


                                                                                          When I wrote that sentence, I had a big doubt understanding.

                                                                                          I tried to make another way:

                                                                                          It is a personal reflection that leads to a question.

                                                                                          The fact of seeing still in France the dairies which sell directly to the persons their production is a sign that we did not maybe progress in the modernity and whom we are still and partially attached to methods or traditions which would already have of to disappear.

                                                                                          I ask myself and ask you! ..

                                                                                          I hope I've been a little clearer this time.

                                                                                          1. re: topfrance

                                                                                            The vast majority of Americans are so far removed from the methods and traditions which you describe. I think the images that you evoke make most of us not think that much of the world has progressed but that your communities know what to honor and cherish. I for one am jealous!

                                                                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                              If I calculate right, I see that you are very "early bird"....

                                                                                              Jealous but mostly nostalgic. No ? ...

                                                                                              Myself, I am very attached to traditions! ... That is why I am a big nostalgic.

                                                                                              However, be assured that my look is not desperately immobilized towards the back for all that.

                                                                                              Expressed well ?

                                                                                              1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                "However, be assured that my look is not desperately immobilized towards the back for all that."

                                                                                                We might say "However, I don't want to be paralyzed by living in the past,. There is no future in it" ;-D>

                                                                                                1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                  The day seems wasted if I don't get at least a few things done by 8AM - I should have been a farmer.

                                                                                                  I think there is a great charm in these kinds of traditions. But I also believe this speaks to the reverence that great food cultures - like the French - have for what is consumed.

                                                                                              2. re: topfrance

                                                                                                I would love to have more dairies such as yours. I am not one to always think the past is always better. But I do miss some of the old ways.

                                                                                                1. re: Jase

                                                                                                  If I could bring anything here, from the past, it would be (although I purchase my milk in glass bottles) having the milkman bring dairy products to my home.
                                                                                                  I miss that.

                                                                                                    1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                      I'm sure in any small villages in other states of North America outlying cities and where there are still vast grazing, farmers still proceed as in France to sell their milk.

                                                                                          2. re: topfrance

                                                                                            Sorry, we are doing what is called, "discussing off-topic." We have deviated from this topic's discussion. Huell Howser was somewhat of an unofficial ambassador for California. He recently passed away and had many fans.

                                                                                            Putting things back on-topic, if you wish to seek out our local farmers markets, there are many, and would be similar to Europe's outdoor markets. You will be staying relatively close to one of Los Angeles's best. It is in the Hollywood area on Sundays. Our state is the main source of so many agricultural products in the US. The farmers markets, for the most part, represent vendors who are more local to (but not excluded to) the Southern California area. They tend to offer the better examples of mostly produce and other agricultural products, many of which are organic or grown/raised in particular ways that are conducive to a qualitatively more appreciative product.

                                                                                          3. re: Jase

                                                                                            I went last week for the first time and just noticed that vendor. I will have to give it a try - thanks.

                                                                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                              8 oz is a dollar. Low risk to try before deciding on a larger quantity. I'm not as enamoured of their cheese.

                                                                                            2. re: Jase

                                                                                              May I ask what milk vendor you're talking about?

                                                                                              1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                Can't remember the name but they're the only one there. They are on the east side of the street closer to Venice. Right by the mail boxes and couple of stalls south of JR organics.

                                                                                                1. re: Jase


                                                                                                  I've been drinking Broguiere's for years and, like you and bulavinaka have kindly memorialized the great, late Huell Howser, started doing so because of a segment he did on the dairy.
                                                                                                  I love the milk, in all forms, and I'd love to try the one you've found. It sounds delicious.

                                                                                                  1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                    If you want to have a delish decadent market centric meal, get the chocolate milk which as mentioned above I find nicely thick and creamy. Then order a grass fed burger from that stand near Larry Grill that makes their burger from Dey-Dey's organic meats and rest of ingredients from the market.

                                                                                                    While the burger is cooking, walk across the aisle and order some Belgian frites. These are some of the better ones I've had.

                                                                                                    Sit down to a cheese burger, fries and creamy chocolate shake like milk. We've done that a few times and it's a very pleasant way to kick off a Sunday morning.

                                                                                                    1. re: Jase


                                                                                                      I'll have to give next Sunday morning some serious thought after that description :).
                                                                                                      I've not been to that market....it's time to check it out.

                                                                                                      1. re: latindancer

                                                                                                        I think the Mar Vista market is an underrated neighborhood gem. They're big enough to have a variety of quality vendors, but small enough to have that neighborly feel and not overwhelmingly crowded as the Saturday SM one can be sometimes.

                                                                                                        Near as I can tell from postings on this board several west side hounds visit the market regularly.

                                                                                                        The belgian frites stand used to be at the Sunday Santa Monica one by the courthouse. They got some good reviews here and you can probably find the posts pretty easily. They moved to Mar Vista for better business and the owner seems happy about the volume of business when I asked if he was planning to be permanent. They also started making Belgian waffles although I find their version a bit too sweet and doughy for my tastes.

                                                                                                        1. re: Jase

                                                                                                          Thanks for this, Jase.
                                                                                                          I like Mar Vista and have found a couple of shops where I purchase some specialty items but I don't remember being over that way on a Sunday.
                                                                                                          I looked it up and it looks like there are some very interesting vendors to check out.
                                                                                                          I appreciate it.

                                                                                                          1. re: Jase

                                                                                                            >>I think the Mar Vista market is an underrated neighborhood gem. They're big enough to have a variety of quality vendors, but small enough to have that neighborly feel and not overwhelmingly crowded as the Saturday SM one can be sometimes.

                                                                                                            Near as I can tell from postings on this board several west side hounds visit the market regularly.<<

                                                                                                            SHUT. UP. :) The kabocha at Takikawa's "The Garden of..." stand is killer - like chestnuts and pumpkin all in one.

                                                                                                            1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                              I'm just glad no one from the board recognizes me at the market. I'd probably be in trouble if that happens.

                                                                                        2. re: Jase

                                                                                          I am not surprised by your reaction! ..

                                                                                          In fact, when I started this discussion, I would never have imagined triggered much passion around this topic.

                                                                                          I must say also that the style of my English expressions translated literally have added a little "spice" in these exchanges very exciting ! ..

                                                                                          I admit that I am overwhelmed but truly surprised ! ..

                                                                                          I already have a foot in Los Angeles

                                                                                          1. re: topfrance

                                                                                            For BBQ try Phillips on Crenshaw and Adams, but don't go on the weekend. For some reason it's tough on the weekend. Different cook maybe? Also, if you like pastrami you must try Langers.

                                                                                            1. re: LuluTheMagnificent

                                                                                              Thank you Luluthemagnificent.

                                                                                              It's ok because we are in Los Angeles from May 7 to 10! ..

                                                                                              Regarding the pastrami, it is a dish that is not at all known in France. I saw on the web was an American specialty (including New York)

                                                                                              For Langers is this site ?


                                                                                              1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                Yes, that's it. Notice it closes early, like 3 or 4 pm I think. Not sure if you will like it, but thought i'd mention it. For burgers try Umani Burger on La Brea. http://www.umami.com/umami-burger/. For cheap burgers that all my out of town friends love, try original tommy burger on Rampart blvd. For hard shell cheap tacos try Tito's Tacos. A lot of us natives will whine about these recommendations, but my out of town friends LOVE what we natives take for granted. http://www.titostacos.com/

                                                                                                If you are into late night eating try the El Chato taco truck on Olympic and LaBrea, but he doesn't get there until 8:30 or 9pm at night. Enjoy your stay in may, can't wait to see what you like.

                                                                                                1. re: LuluTheMagnificent

                                                                                                  Not sure why you are telling him to go to the Tommy's on Rampart, when they are scattered all over the city. I've had the burgers at several and had not noticed any discernible differences between the rampart location & others.

                                                                                                  And Tito's?? Please, there are a thousand better places for tacos other than Tito's..... I realize it one of those nostalgic favorites of those on the board who have been going there since their college or high school days, but it really is disgusting. Nothing Mexican about steamed beef and ice cold watery salsa with no flavor. Don't send a Frenchman there as an example of a good taco...... That's just cruel.....

                                                                                                  1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                    Dirty, you may be right about Tito's tacos but they have the best burrito in town, just order the beef and cheese.

                                                                                                    1. re: malibumike

                                                                                                      It may be, but I am not a burrito fan, hardly ever eat them. And I would prefer to save the calories for any other Mexican place in town....... I couldn't get over how truly awful it was.

                                                                                                      1. re: malibumike

                                                                                                        respectfully disagree with any recommendation of Tito's Tacos.
                                                                                                        i've tried for years to like them because they are located near my house, they are cheap, and they are open late.

                                                                                                        to my palate, the so-called food they serve is greasy, bland, and generally disgusting.

                                                                                                        this particular discussion has been had many times on chowhound, but it has not been aired for topfrance until now

                                                                                                      2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                        In my experience rampart Tommy's is best. Let's not turn this into a Tito's argument, I wrote why I mentioned it in my post.

                                                                                                        1. re: LuluTheMagnificent

                                                                                                          LULU I used to go to the Tommy's rampart location all the time, but too far from me now. All the tommys now have taken the great yellow chili peppers away, you have to ask and they only give you a few, does the original location still have them out??

                                                                                                          1. re: malibumike

                                                                                                            Original one still has a tub out and you can take as much as you want.

                                                                                                            Also as of two Saturday's ago, they were offering a special with the peppers chopped as part of the toppings.

                                                                                            2. I come back to you.

                                                                                              I'm trying to collect all the informations you kindly send me.
                                                                                              From this list, I solicit you soon for me that you "validate" my choice.

                                                                                              However, I have collected some addresses in a book and I would be interested in that you give me your opinion on addresses. (If you know them! ....)

                                                                                              - Daikokuya (Japenese) 327 E 1st St

                                                                                              - Palm's Thai Restaurant (Thai) 5900 Hollywood Blvd Ste B

                                                                                              - Bottega Louie (Italian) 700 S Grand Ave

                                                                                              - The Bazaar (Spanish) 465 South La Cienega Boulevard

                                                                                              - El Abajeño (Mexican) 4513 Inglewood Blvd Culver City, CA 90230
                                                                                                 No Website

                                                                                              - Library House (Burger) 2911 Main St Santa Monica, CA 90405

                                                                                              - Number nine (chinese) 1342 Hermosa Ave, Hermosa Beach, CA 90254
                                                                                                 No Website

                                                                                              Finally, what would you advise me to this place: 395 Santa Monica Place Santa Monica, CA 90401

                                                                                              Thank you in advance

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                                                                                              1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                Bienvenue, un peu plus tôt !

                                                                                                Santa Monica Place is a relatively new, modern outdoor mall a few blocks from from the Pacific, in a shopping district of Santa Monica called the Third Street Promenade. I like Zengo the best of the places, it's an Asian & Latin fusion type place. If its sunny & warm, try to get a table on the patio. They have a decent Sunday brunch at a price fixe of $39 I think... Interesting with lots of good flavors and decent people watching. The Curious Palate is decent for lunch, and True Food is farm to table healthy California style. Rockenwagner is a good bakery and there's also a good coffee roaster, all located in what's called the Marketplace, a cute if not sparse part of the complex to while away a little while.

                                                                                                I will let the other hounds direct you with the rest of your list. Profitez de votre séjour avec nous!

                                                                                                1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                  I see you've put together a list of prospective places. While I am not certain as to why you chose some of the specific places to eat, I can tell you that many who are active on the Los Angeles Board (we are called, "posters") will have alternatives to at least a few of your candidates. Here are my long-winded responses to some of your candidates:

                                                                                                  Daikokuya is known for their Japanese noodle soup dish called ramen. While this establishment was considered one of the better places to sample this seemingly simple dish, many competitors have opened up, particularly over the past three years. Daikokuya would be considered very good in most other cities outside of Japan. But because Los Angeles (the general area) has a representative Japanese population, and because Japanese cuisine is commonly accepted here, there are many excellent choices for ramen. While I don't want to dissuade you from visiting Little Tokyo (the area in which Daikokuya is in), you may consider other options here. I can't honestly recommend other places to you because I have yet to personally try them, but I hope others can.

                                                                                                  Also, someone has already mentioned an alternate area to visit that is dense with Japanese restaurants - Little Osaka - which is located in West Los Angeles, directly adjacent to the 405 (also called,"San Diego") freeway. Tsujita on Sawtelle is probably consider the best ramen experience in town right now. It is not the traditional big bowl of ramen, but a relatively new iteration called, tsukemen. I think if I were to pick my one ramen experience in Los Angeles, this would be it. For something better, I think you'd have to go to Japan.


                                                                                                  The one quirky thing about Tsujita right now is that they only offer their tsukemen during their lunch hours. They have a seperate menu during dinner service.

                                                                                                  Thai food is very very common in Los Angeles. Excellent renditions of it are not. The general Hollywood/North Hollywood area is the heart of the Thai community in LA, so you've picked a restaurant that is within the geographic area. While I've been to Palms Thai, I think there places that offer very good renditions of Thai cuisines. The sweetheart of the LA Board tends to be Jitlada. They are known for their Southern Thai dishes, which means they can be extremely spicy. Pa Ord, Ruen Pair, Sanamluang and Saap are legitimate places to visit as well. These places tend to be much more simple in ambiance, but they still draw crowds for their food despite their basic accommodations. But me mindful that traffic and parking can be very difficult in this general part of town.

                                                                                                  El Abajeno serves basic Mexican food, some of which is Americanized. An example is their "wet" burritos, which are enormous and stuffed with far too much (in my opinion) for one person to eat. I think your French disposition would think the same. The quality of the ingredients and the skills in the kitchen aren't typically noted as exceptional either. While I don't think there is anything wrong with trying their food, Los Angeles has so so many Mexican food options that it is hard to find a starting point. El Abajeno is in the Culver City/Mar Vista neighborhood, which isn't considered close to where you will be staying. I am sorely unfamiliar with knowledge of good Mexican eateries within that general area.

                                                                                                  Library Ale House is in Santa Monica, located relatively close to the Santa Monica Place shopping center. If that is your reason for going, it's a good choice, particularly for beer. If you are considering a place in this category (loosely considered as "gastropubs") for having excellent choices in beer and food, the choices in LA are many. I think many would choose Father's Office in either Santa Monica or Culver City/Palms neighborhood. Please be mindful that both can get quite crowded, but the one located on Helms Avenue tends to be easier to access. They also have some basic rules that many have issues with. I personally like A-Frame, located in the Culver City/Mar Vista area, because their abbreviated beer selection is always good, the food is interesting, their mixed drinks are fanciful, and the parking is relatively easy. They also have an outdoor area that is tented during the cooler months. It can get loud inside the building itself, so I choose to sit outside.



                                                                                                  I've never tried your choice in Chinese food, but I can tell you that driving from Curson Ave to Hermosa Beach exclusively to try Chinese food would leave most serious eaters wondering why. In the time it takes you to do the drive to Hermosa Beach, you can easily drive in the opposite direction and end up in the San Gabriel Valley for the some of the best renditions of Chinese cuisines in the USA. If you are looking for a location and some place easier to navigate, which I would fully understand, you really might consider poster Porthos's idea of trying Koi Palace in Burlingame. You will be driving through the general area and this place is considered one of the best Chinese eateries in North America. I've never tried any of the Chinese restaurant recommendations near Curson Ave that other posters might give you. I make the drive to San Gabriel Valley because I think it is vastly superior to anything else I've tried elsewhere.

                                                                                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                    Thanks bulavinaka

                                                                                                    Oh my!... I'm really surprised by your editorial quality that is fluid and refined! I see that you have taken time to write your review. I thank you again.

                                                                                                    You could also and possibly ask to the Michelin to recruit you!...

                                                                                                    I'll build my list based on the advice you have please send me again.

                                                                                                    I do this quite rationally. I make my list in database software based on input (to unanimous trend) that were sent to me.

                                                                                                    Then, I add with following fields: address, GPS, Web Site link and finally the theme of the restaurant.

                                                                                                    Then I export the list to the level on the sdcard of my Gps and my Google Maps personnal cards. I always take my Netbook when I go on a trip. In this way, I still have my information with me

                                                                                                    When I have finished this task, I will not miss to send the link to my Google Maps map, presenting the places for which we have programmed a visit as well as the points of the restaurants located approximately next to visit places.

                                                                                                    I hope that the moderator will not remove the conversation!

                                                                                                    I wish you a very good Sunday!...

                                                                                                    1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                      You are far more precise, technologically savvy and organized than me. I am very impressed!

                                                                                                      I think some things to keep in mind when it comes to cuisines that fall under the category of, "ethnic" in LA are as follows:

                                                                                                      Southern California has many representative populations of immigrants from all over the world. Many come from Latin America (mostly Mexico and Central America with smaller populations from Peru, Brazil and Argentina) and Asia (Chinese Asia, Korea, Thailand, Japan, Indian subcontinent), but also from countries like Iran, Ethiopia, Armenia, France and England and Ireland.

                                                                                                      Many but not all of these immigrant populations have congregated into geographic enclaves. Language, religion, customs, economics and food usually are the main factors in forming these communities. One will often find the best examples of their cuisines in these areas. And because many immigrants arrive here with little or no financial means (or at least don't start out as such), many of the eateries reflect this and can be very basic/simple in ambiance. Do not let this deter you, unless it is an important factor in your personal preferences.

                                                                                                      Mexican food can appear to be very generic, depending one's choices. But I think Mexican food does not get the respect that it deserves. Mexico is a very large country with dynamic and varied land and seascapes. The regional cuisines can reflect this in their styles and ingredients. And like many great food cultures, specialists offering a certain region's cuisine, a particular type of dish, or type of ingredient are becoming more apparent here.

                                                                                                      I am not an expert in the finer points of Mexican cuisine, but these are the standouts for me. I think the most readily identifiable regional cuisine is from Oaxaca (roughly pronouned, wah-hah-kah). Mole (moh-leh) sauces are as Oaxacan as demi glace or bechamel are French, and are very different from more typical salsas in ingredients, texture and depth. There are so many Oaxacan restaurants in LA, many of which are excellent. El Jacalito is a small family-run eatery that recently opened on Washington (almost across the street from A-Frame) and has some nice renditions of this cuisines. Again, this general area is not close to where you are staying, but I hope others will make suggestions that are closer.

                                                                                                      Not as common but represented with a few very good examples is the cuisine from the Yucatan Peninsula. Some of the influences are recognizably from Europe, but based in the Mayan culture. For a great introduction to this cuisine, La Flor De Yucatan on Hoover is more of a deli and bakery for takeout, and Chichen Itza is a nice food counter/restaurant in the Mercado la Paloma building on Grand.

                                                                                                      The seafood culture in Mexican cuisine is prevalent at so many of the eateries, but the one specialist that stands out on the Los Angeles board is Coni'Seafood (the spelling/punctuation is somewhat initially awkward). The family that owns and runs the restaurant is from a region along the Pacific coast of Mexico, and they specialize in serving this region's seafood. I have not eaten at Coni but I am familiar with the owners' food. I have often eaten at a restaurant that they started a few years back in another neighborhood (Mariscos Chente in the same general Culver City/Mar Vista area that El Abajeno is located). And while Coni'Seafood is not a generic Mexican food experience (thank goodness), it is by far one of the most unique and enjoyable experiences relative to Mexican cuisine AND seafood that I can recall.

                                                                                                      I know you are only here for a short stay. To gather in great food experiences from the various places that this board offers will probably present a potentially ambitious geographic (and therefore logistic) challenge. Four days of eating might be best done by lightly sampling through the day and having a more relaxed meal for dinner. And the single major factor that will impact your eating excursions is the traffic in Los Angeles. Non-peak periods monday-friday would be after 9AM to about noon, 1:30PM to about 3:30PM(afternoon traffic is heavy earlier on fridays), and after 8:30PM. And this can be different/changing depending on whether you are traveling on surface streets or on the freeway systems, the part of town you are in, and of course unforeseen delays due to weather, accidents, etc. The weekend traffic is very light in the mornings. After that, it can be anyone's guess.

                                                                                                      1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                        Is this the same El Jacalito that is in Lomita?

                                                                                                        1. re: mstinawu

                                                                                                          I honestly don't know. It's a very small family run joint. I will ask the next time I go.

                                                                                                          1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                            As promised, I give you the choice reserved for restaurants located in your town.

                                                                                                            For the evening we arrived as the restaurant is located on the path we try http://www.moquecarestaurant.com recommended by the Servorg.

                                                                                                            We have adopted the following rule: lunch fast enough (hopefully it's good anyway) and in the evening we will enjoy to more elaborate dishes and typical.
                                                                                                            First day: Lunch: http://www.fathersoffice.com/ in Santa Monica
                                                                                                                            Dinner: http://beverlysoontofu.com/

                                                                                                            Second day: Lunch: Restaurant in http://www.santamonicaplace.com/
                                                                                                                                 Dinner: http://www.shamshiri.com/

                                                                                                            Third day: Lunch: http://www.thecounterburger.com/
                                                                                                                                       : Dinner: Phillips, 2619 Crenshaw Blvd

                                                                                                            Last day: Lunch: Restaurant in Farmer's Market 6333 West 3rd Street
                                                                                                                              : Dinner: Dim sum in Sea Harbour Seafood Restaurant Rosemead Blvd

                                                                                                            Hoping to have made ​​the right choice.

                                                                                                            You understand, all that the elimination of some of your proposals was inevitable and that when we do not know the places it is very difficult.

                                                                                                            If you have any comments, I am waiting to read.

                                                                                                            Thank you again.

                                                                                                            1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                              One immediate comment. I don't believe that Sea Harbour has dim sum for dinner. Their Chinese food is very, very good however. But dim sum is typically breakfast/brunch.

                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                Thank you for the information! ...
                                                                                                                However, since you mention that their dinner is very good I stop my choice on this restauraurant! ..
                                                                                                                We eat "Dim Sum" in San Francisco.

                                                                                                                1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                  One other thing you are probably not aware of, Bludso's (the BBQ place that was recommended to you in this thread in a somewhat "sketchy" area of the city) has opened up a second location in a much more "accessible" area (609 N. La Brea Avenue, Los Angeles, CA 90036) that you should know about. See here: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8900... for a review. I would suggest substituting this for your Phillips Crenshaw Blvd. choice

                                                                                                                  1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                    Make sure it's Koi Palace when you do and get the whole Dungeness crab dumplings. With the entire crab, not just the dumplings. Well worth $36USD

                                                                                                                2. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                  It may help to put the days/dates for your itinerary because this may affect your particular choices.

                                                                                                                  I'm not sure what day you are planning on visiting Father's Office, but the Santa Monica location is open for lunch only on Saturday and Sunday. The other Father's Office is open for lunch Friday through Sunday. While Father's Office has great food, they do consider themselves a bar. Thus, the somewhat limited hours during the week.

                                                                                                                  I am assuming your second day choice for lunch is in conjunction with shopping at the Santa Monica Place mall. The the food court is on the roof top, and the choices are quite broad in terms of types of food and anything from counter service to full service (sit down and dine). I haven't eaten here in over a year. With that said, if you happen to be there on the weekend, Zengo has a bottomless brunch (all you can eat and drink) for $35 per person. I think there's a time limit of two hours. This would be my pick, as the timing should work for you, it is unique even by LA standards, and has been well received by other Chowhound members of the LA board.


                                                                                                                  Shamshiri is a very good choice for Persian cuisine. The dining room is a bit crowded but is nice, the food is very good and the portions are very generous, and the pricing is more than fair.

                                                                                                                  Your third day lunch at The Counter may draw many alternative suggestions. Personally, I found the meat at The Counter to be somewhat bland. Also, it is very tempting here to order many ingredients to go with your burger, but it may be extremely difficult to keep together and eat it in doing so. Burger choices in LA are vast, and it may help to know what day this falls on and what area you plan to be in.

                                                                                                                  You already mentioned that you were planning on visiting Father's Office for lunch - this will have to be on Saturday or Sunday in Santa Monica, or Friday through Sunday at their Culver City/Palms location. Father's Office is reputed to have one of the best burgers my many. If you are planning to have a second burger meal, then by all means, The Counter will work, but knowing where you will be at lunch may offer up alternative suggestions that you might want to consider.

                                                                                                                  Phillip's for dinner may or may not work. It sounds like while you don't mind relatively brief lunch meals, you want to sit down and enjoy your dinner meals. While the barbecue is very good at Phillip's , the seating is outside and not conducive to a relaxing dining environment for dinner. Most people order at the window and take their food to go.

                                                                                                                  If I recall, you are staying around Curson and San Vicente. This would put you very close to Bludso's new venture/partnership with The Golden State. You might recall Bludso's being mentioned for having probably the best barbecue in the LA area. The Golden State is a cafe/gastropub known for their burgers, good beer selection and "beer floats." I have yet to try this place, but assuming the barbecue is a close approximation of Bludso's in Compton, I would choose to eat dinner here. Looking over their menu, the prices seem a little higher on certain items. But this is fair considering the location, the dining environment, the ability to order drinks, etc.


                                                                                                                  Your last day lunch at the Farmer's Market should be fine. I haven't eaten here in years, but I hope others will offer you suggestions. I know there are some good options here, and some new ones have recently opened that are worth considering as well.

                                                                                                                  Servorg has already mentioned the conflict of having dim sum for dinner. Dim sum is the Cantonese equivalent of brunch. While I think most items served at dim sum would do well for dinner in most Westerners' eyes, most Chinese consider this experience one for the daytime. Sea Harbour and most other places that serve dim sum serve a completely different menu for dinner. Most focus on seafood, with live seafood being the star. The meals can be somewhat elaborate depending on what is ordered and of course what one's budget is.

                                                                                                                  If you want to still try dim sum, I would suggest swapping your lunch and dinner in terms of geographic locations. Having your last night's dinner somewhere closer to where you are staying will probably be more relaxing for you folks. Driving out to the San Gabriel Valley for dinner can be quite taxing. The traffic congestion can be very bad. While it can be during the day as well, I think if you plan on driving out to the San Gabriel Valley for dim sum, the chances of lesser traffic are much better. Dim sum places usually open any where from 8AM to 10:30AM and continue dim sum service until around 2PM to 3PM. I you start your travel around 9AM to 9:30AM, the traffic should start to lighten up.

                                                                                                                  1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                    Thank you for your long exposure!

                                                                                                                    To be precise, we arrived in the evening on May 6 in Los Angeles and we leave early in the morning on 11 may to Las Vegas.

                                                                                                                    So yes, the choice for Father's Office is not at all suitable! ...

                                                                                                                    Instead of Father's Office, I've chosen to eat Mexican at El Pollo Loco (although noted on Yelp): http://www.elpolloloco.com

                                                                                                                    As you advocate we eat lunch at Zengo. I found that there was also "happy hour" although they are poorly positioned (4-7 PM daily)! ... Goal is the principle of "happy hour"! ...

                                                                                                                    If I understand correctly, the Golden Gate is associated with Budso which opened in the neighborhood of Brea?

                                                                                                                    If this is so I will replace Philipps by this address that is much closer to our accommodation. The adress is 426 North Fairfax Avenue ?....

                                                                                                                    I will also avoid Gabriel Valley for the evening and eat at Kang Hodong Baekjeong

                                                                                                                    Can you please confirm?

                                                                                                                    thank you

                                                                                                                    1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                      No no no no no El Pollo Loco. That would be akin to me flying to Paris to eat at whatever is one of the worst chain restaurants in France. Eat at Mercado in Santa Monica http://www.mercadosantamonica.com/ and if for lunch then Tacos Por Favor or the new Tacos Punta Cabra.

                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                        Ok! ... I trust my eyes closed! ..

                                                                                                                        Ok for Tacos Por Favor! ...

                                                                                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                          Agree with Servorg. If you want chicken of this general range, go Peruvian at Pollo a la Brasa on Western Ave in Koreatown.

                                                                                                                        2. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                          The new Bludso's eatery is on La Brea - it is a major avenue in the general area that you will me staying. Brea is a town in Orange County.

                                                                                                                          1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                            Excuse me but there is confusion in my mind (or rather at my translation! ...)

                                                                                                                            You mention "This Would put you very close to Bludso's new venture / partnership with The Golden State. Bludso You might recall Being Mentioned for HAVING's probably the best barbecue in the LA area"

                                                                                                                            Then you mention "The new eatery is on Bludso's La Brea"

                                                                                                                            If I understand correctly, The Golden State is not the same place as the Bludso's. ? ...

                                                                                                                            The Golden State is a good place to drink a beer or eat a burger?

                                                                                                                            1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                              Yes, Golden State is a great choice for a beer and a burger.

                                                                                                                              1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                                Sorry - maybe too much information at one time. The original Bludso's is in the city of Compton. Their reputation and success has led them to a partnership with the people who own a cafe and beer pub called the Golden State. Their joint venture is called Bludso's
                                                                                                                                Bar & Cue. They are located on La Brea Avenue. Bringing together the merits of these two groups will finally offer LA great barbecue with a nice drinks list in a sit-down dining environment. furthermore, Bludso's is located in the City of Compton. This can be quite a drive for many people throughout Los Angeles. I think it is to your great advantage to try this location on La Brea Avenue.

                                                                                                              2. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                A little advice bulavinaka!.

                                                                                                                We have to book an afternoon to go shopping and we hesitate between two complexes:
                                                                                                                -Citadel Outlets 100 Citadel Drive, Suite 480 Los Angeles, CA 90040
                                                                                                                -Camarillo Premium Outlets 740 e. Ventura Boulevard Camarillo, CA 93010

                                                                                                                I have found that Camarillo was much more distant.

                                                                                                                Without you concerned about the distance, what would you choice complex? And in function of your choice, which (always tipic) restaurant would you recommend for dinner before return to our host...

                                                                                                                It is true that we could stop the day of our arrival in Camarillo as our previous stop is Santa Barbara. But I imagine that given the scope of the complex, it will be very difficult shopping starting at 4 pm!

                                                                                                                What do you think?

                                                                                                                1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                  Camarillo is on the way to Los Angeles from Santa Barbara - about 30-40 minutes driving to the south of Santa Barbara. It is a very large outlet mall. Their website indicates that the shops close at 9PM except on Sundays at 8PM. I don't know what you are shopping for in particular, but if you are browsing in general, covering the whole mall will probably take you up to the closing time. I think most would consider the food choices in the general Santa Barbara area to be better as well, and your potential final meal in Santa Barbara would be lunch. Driving from Camarillo to Curson Ave would be another hour (maybe more), so realistically you would arrive there around 10:30PM, without having dinner! I never eat around Ventura County so I don't have any suggestions either. The mall's food choices that I see listed are either not worth trying or unknown to me. So unless you pack a transportable meal from Santa Barbara, the food options might be very narrow given your schedule.

                                                                                                                  The Citadel is probably closer to where you are staying, but traffic can be quite heavy on the freeways in that general area - many freeway intersections around there. I recently was there with some guests from Singapore and traffic was very heavy during what would be non-peak hours (around 2:30PM). It took us 90 minutes of travel time from the Citadel to our home in the Western portion of Los Angeles (known as the Westside). Had traffic flow been more "normal," it should have taken 30 minutes. It is a hard call to make as to which option would be better. Both are potentially very far relative to drive time from your place of stay. Of course, if you can pick and choose what time frame to spend at the Citadel, you could incorporate some food choices between Curson Ave and the Citadel. You would be adjacent to or traveling through areas like Koreatown, Downtown LA, many of the Latino enclaves, and you would be within reasonable distance of the San Gabriel Valley via the 710 freeway.

                                                                                                                  1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                    Stop and shop at Camarillo and then afterward go to http://www.moquecarestaurant.com/ for dinner. They open at 5 PM, so the schedule will work out well for you. You can then drive up the coast on your way into LA proper if you so desire.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                      Actually, it will be much easier for me!...
                                                                                                                      Stop at Camarillo from Santa Barbara and drive up the coast on the way into LA .

                                                                                                                      1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                        Servorg's suggestions are always good, so I would consider it. Still, my concerns would be your arrival time in Camarillo (4PM, correct?), the potential duration of shopping at the mall, your ability to squeeze in a meal, and to make it into LA at a somewhat reasonable time.

                                                                                                                        >>Stop at Camarillo from Santa Barbara and drive up the coast on the way into LA .<<

                                                                                                                        I am not sure if you literally are going to drive along the coast down to LA. But if so, keep in mind that it is typically a longer route, it does deviate off the coast through Oxnard, getting back on to the coastal route can be a little confusing (navigational tools will overcome this) and one should take care in driving along parts of Pacific Coast Highway in the evening. The other route that would be more predictable, and direct (albeit less scenic) is taking the 101 freeway that cuts through the San Fernando Valley.

                                                                                                                        The San Fernando Valley is quite large, and does have some good eating as well. Off the top of my head, traveling from west to east, Persian, Israeli, American-style barbecue, Lebanese, Armenian and Thai would be the highlights as one is traveling along the 101/134 highways. But again, the options would be dependent on what time you are traveling through this area. Unlike many big cities, Los Angeles tends to start shutting down earlier than a visitor might expect.

                                                                                                                        1. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                          I will plan our way!...

                                                                                                                          If the time is late when we arrived in Camarillo, we take the 101/134 highways and we will stop in one of the restaurants that you mention.

                                                                                                                      2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                        As I mentioned, the thread of our conversation has disappeared !...

                                                                                                                          1. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                            One suggestion based on your proposed list of places above. Drop " Number nine (chinese) 1342 Hermosa Ave, Hermosa Beach, CA 90254" and go to Izakaya Bincho at the Redondo Beach Pier complex. You can see their website here: http://www.izakayabincho.com/ and comments/photos here on CH: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/857023

                                                                                                                      3. re: bulavinaka

                                                                                                                        If your interested in good Chinese food DO NOT go to hermosa. I live in manhattan beach and there is no good Chinese food at the beach. If you do want Chinese food go to Monterey park or to the San Gabriel valley and definitely do dim sum and soup dumplings (dumplings filled with delicious broth). There are good places near the beach though, like MB post, fish bar (I love their blue cheese martinis and oysters) and umami burger in hermosa. Defiantly get Mexican food while you are here, I especially love oaxacan food including moles. Hope this helps and have fun in LA!

                                                                                                                      4. re: topfrance

                                                                                                                        I will agree with Bulavinaka and suggest that there are better alternatives to most of your list.

                                                                                                                        In Little Tokyo a better ramen alternative that many of the hounds here like is
                                                                                                                        Men Oh Tokushima Ramen
                                                                                                                        456 E 2nd St
                                                                                                                        Los Angeles, CA 90012

                                                                                                                        Plenty of better Thai suggestions already given

                                                                                                                        If I was coming from France, I'm not sure The Bazaar and Bottega Louie would be worth it the visit. Even if you did ask about French originally.

                                                                                                                        I live close to El Abjeno and it's an easy walk for a comfort meal, which I do periodically. But there are much better Mexican around. If you have to visit the area and looking for Mexican, I'd recommend Don Felix or EK Valley instead.

                                                                                                                        EK Valley
                                                                                                                        6121 Washington Blvd
                                                                                                                        Culver City, CA 90232

                                                                                                                        Don Felix
                                                                                                                        3987 Sawtelle Blvd
                                                                                                                        Los Angeles, CA 90066

                                                                                                                        If you are in the area of El Abajeno, Don Felix, etc, I would second the suggestions to go to Little Osaka area. Some wonderful places there and Ramen options too as Bulavinako suggested. But avoid Asahi and Ramen-ya in that area.

                                                                                                                        Korean is also very strong in LA and a flavor that is big part of the city. One of my and board favorites is Beverly Soon Tofu. Get one of their tofu stew and grilled meat combos. Korean comes with many small side dishes called banchan or panchan as part of the meal.

                                                                                                                        2717 W Olympic Blvd
                                                                                                                        Ste 108
                                                                                                                        Los Angeles, CA 90006

                                                                                                                        Very close to where you are staying on Curson.

                                                                                                                        Also agree that there are much better choices for Chinese than to go to Hermosa Beach.

                                                                                                                        You have also received great advice on the Outlet stores.

                                                                                                                        Hope this helps.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                          Many thanks Jase,

                                                                                                                          I've added to my list restaurants that you submit.

                                                                                                                          I am trying to achieve the synthesis (I consult much Yelp also) and it takes me a lot of time!...

                                                                                                                          I cannot fail to go all in order to have your validation on the various choices that I will proceed.

                                                                                                                          Thanks again

                                                                                                                      5. A quick question, as a teenager I was taken by Aunt & Uncle to a place in Los Angeles called Perino's. It was expensive, I remember.
                                                                                                                        Is it gone now?

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                                                                                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                            Ah, so interesting that there would be an article. Thank you

                                                                                                                          1. re: LuluTheMagnificent

                                                                                                                            strongly DISAGREE with the idea of sending anybody to Tito's Tacos.
                                                                                                                            bland grease-bomb.
                                                                                                                            (and that is the kindest thing i can say)

                                                                                                                          2. Et maintenant - C'est Juin...

                                                                                                                            Nous sommes curieux. Quelles sont vos opinions de Los Angeles?

                                                                                                                            Sorry for my bad French.

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                                                                                                                            1. re: J.L.


                                                                                                                              I'm sorry not to have answered before! ..

                                                                                                                              In fact, we have very little frequented restaurants because movements by car with circulations were very, very difficult ...

                                                                                                                              Public transportation in San Francisco are very practical! .. Los Angeles impractical! ..

                                                                                                                              We still eat at "The counter" where they make great burgers.

                                                                                                                              We have also eaten at the "Farmers market" (Sandwich..)

                                                                                                                              I'm a little confused to have support a long topic that
                                                                                                                              ultimately did not benefit me a lot and took for you all a lot of effort to writing.

                                                                                                                              As we were staying in a private home, we were near a Whole Foods market and we bought meals for the diner(which were excellent ...)

                                                                                                                              We have eaten Chinese at San Francisco and Mexican at San Diego... It was delicious ...

                                                                                                                              I address you again my apologies.