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re: todc1996
todc1996 has a good list as an example where the noise IMO is legitimately the vibe of the restaurant and not a shortcoming of the features of the resto. They are definitely loud and 100% not for everybody, but they are naturally loud and not because of blaring music or poor design.
They are loud, but to me, loud in a good way....also like Grand Electric which does include music of course.
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