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Jan 12, 2013 11:37 AM

Is it possible to dislike an entire country's worth of food?


I have no problem with people who say "I don't like X dish, or Y ingredient" but I recently went out to lunch with friends and suggested Vietnamese, only to be shot down by one friend who said he doesn't like it. It always strikes me as odd that someone can't find SOMETHING to eat at a general restaurant (steakhouses, sushi places, etc, that specialize are obviously a different thing).

Part of the reason that it makes me confused is that I was (and still am, a bit) a picky eater, and I've never been to a place where I said "There is nothing here I can eat." I may be required to get a bit creative at places with a limited menu, but I never starve. And in this case, I wasn't suggesting a place limited to pho, but with a full range of Vietnamese dishes.

So what do you think? Is it possible to dislike EVERYTHING a country cooks?

  1. In theory, yes.

    In practice, no. It would be hard to imagine that anyone has tried every single food from a particular country.

    1. I have a friend who "hates" Indian food. Period. I really don't think she's ever been inside an Indian restaurant. Things like that drive me batty.

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      1. re: alliegator

        I thought that for years. It turned out that what I didn't like was fenugreek - methi. Curry-powder-flavored chip dips had traumatized me. I finally woke up, and now I even like, or at least can tolerate methi, and I luuuuuuurv Indian food.

        Clearly not someone who's had a wide range of experience or has much curiosity about what's out there.

        1. re: lemons

          It's harder if someone doesn't like cumin or other even more commonly used ingredient in Indian cooking. I was in India years ago (and I do mean "years"), when Indian restaurants were uncommon in this country. My husband then couldn't stand spice. I kept saying to the cook, "Nay masala!" and he'd bring a dish, saying, "Nay masala" but I could taste the heat and I love heat.

          So unless there is a way to pick out what taste they hate and eliminate it or get them to slowly accommodate themselves to it with baby steps, it's probably best to let them have their prejudices and eat other places with them.

          I had great lamb vindaloo for lunch alone yesterday!

        2. re: alliegator

          years ago i went to an indian restaurant with a group from the conference i was attending. i've never been overly fond of indian food. but was having a good enough time when i broke out in a massive case of hives (emergency room, antihistamines, then steriods).

          i had no idea what dishes (there were 10-12) had been ordered for the table, much less their ingredients. since i'm not fond of the cuisuine, i've never been inclined to track down the offending ingredient. so when someone suggests indian, i tell this story and we go someplace else.

          1. re: wonderwoman

            Same thing(ish) here, Went with folks from work, and after had Massive asthma attack. I worked in a hospital at the time, and went down to ER, I don't know what dish caused it, but haven't wanted to risk it since (25 years).

            1. re: wonderwoman

              If there's an allergy or something similar, that is certainly a very good reason to not like a cuisine! Sorry to hear that happened to you and breakfastfan :/

            2. re: alliegator

              Years ago I got severe food poisoning at one of the Indian canteens in the old Chungking Mansions in Hong Kong and it took me years before the smell of Indian food didn't make me nauseous by association (it made travelling around India a few months later quite difficult!)

              I still can't say I like Indian food much, but I can recognize that the problem is with me and not with the cuisine and I do make an effort to eat at Indian restaurants once in a while.

              1. re: mpad

                And I spent a night upchucking sea cucumber on Victoria Peak. Didn't turn me off to Chinese food.

                1. re: rccola

                  Wow. Guess you never can tell. I spent some weeks in Hong Kong once, and although naturally I ate a lot of Cantonese food, most of my meals were at the Indian canteens and "messes" in the fabled Chunking Mansions, the most monstrous and teeming rabbit warren of a slum I've ever set foot in. Enjoyed every delicious meal, never even hiccuped.

                  1. re: emu48

                    Not getting sick in Asia (minus Japan and maybe Singapore) one can only chalk up to "you were lucky, I wasn't."

              2. re: alliegator

                +1, alliegator. That kind of deliberate ignorance really makes me angry. I'm usually not that crazy about Indian food in general, but some of it- naan, coriander chutney, lots of other chutneys, and the food an Indian physician made for me to return a favor, is some of the best food I've ever had. So to hate a cuisine based on one or two dishes is just stupid.

                1. re: alliegator

                  I've known a few people like this. And a big part of the problem is that Indian food is highly aromatic. If one is turned off by smells encountered in a restaurant, one's appetite in general will be suppressed.

                  1. re: Perilagu Khan

                    And you make a great point. If the whole cumin/coriander type aroma is completely offputting, it would be tough to want to dive in.

                  2. re: alliegator

                    I don't like any Indian food. I have tried it multiple times and in more than one country. I just don't care for any of the flavor profiles I encountered and the look of the food is a little bothersome. But I can say I have tried it and put forth the effort. It is just not for me.

                    1. re: Jelly71

                      A friend of mine refused Indian food on the basis that she did not like her food pre-digested. My husband was like that for years but tandoori chicken and shrimp won him over.

                      So if you're ever stuck going to Indo-Pak, tandoori might be the way to go.

                  3. If one wishes to be kind there are several,answers...

                    Some people have never had a country's food and are food "timid" or anxious about new things.

                    Some people are ( truly) allergic to certain ingredients, for example fish sauce, which would be difficult to avoid in a Vietnamese restaurant, although not impossible. But it is easier for the truly allergic to avoid the restaurant.

                    If kindness is lacking....most of these people are ignorant and wish to remain so.

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                    1. re: Sinicle

                      I avoid most types of Chinese restaurants. (Note: I know that there are many types of Chinese/Asian restaurants, but I live in the middle of nowhere midwest, where there isn't a whole lot of differentiation.)

                      I'm allergic to soy. I don't have a lot of options at those types of places that don't have soy, and cross contamination is a big issue.

                      I was considering going to a Japanese grill type place - I figured if nothing else they could do a plain steak and some veggies. But when I called ahead to check, the chef told me that "It's ok, we make our own soy sauce here from scratch."
                      Guessing that it still contains soy, so...not really the confidence that a food allergic person wants.

                      I do however sometimes make these types of dishes at home with substitutes (though I'm guessing the flavor isn't exact), so I can't say that I just hate an entire country's flavors.

                    2. Maybe they just don't like the associated flavors, and just doesn't want to deal with it for lunch. I know people that when asked if they want to go to lunch and given a variety of choices that are country-based, Mexican, Chinese, etc... will have a preference, as well as dislikes. It's not about that person knowing every food from a country and hating everything.
                      I don't understand your point about a "general" restaurant yet you suggested Vietnamese.

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                      1. re: wyogal

                        What I found especially odd was that he likes Thai food, which uses many of the same ingredients.

                        What I meant by "general" is that it doesn't specialize in a single dish. For instance, I'm not a big fan of sushi, but I do like other Japanese foods, so if someone suggested Japanese and we went to a place that was all sushi, I would be seriously bummed. So when I say Vietnamese, I mean there are a variety of foods, not just pho.

                        1. re: Terrieltr

                          Personal preference, that's all. And maybe the lunch in question was not really the time for your friend to branch out.

                      2. I am no fan of the Mexican food that reaches my part of the world. Southwestern food is OK, but the platters of tough meat, refried beans and gloppy sauces that even well-regarded mexican places serve are not for me. Fajitas are the exception, but I'm told that that is Southwestern US more than Mexican. And chorizo is good.

                        And I've had plenty,PLENTY of Mexican food, so it isn't being "timid" or "ignorant" as you so wrongly suggest.

                        And I do not feel compelled to make an exhaustive survey of Mexican dishes before I say that I am no fan of the cuisine. I've made a fair sampling over many decades.

                        I know that many will disagree. That's fine.

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                        1. re: sal_acid

                          Your point is well made..but comments about not liking an entire country's cuisine are rarely made by people, such as yourself, who ARE knowledgable.

                          1. re: Sinicle

                            How do you know this? I've known sophisticated (in the good sense of the word) people who simply don't like Indian food. I love it, but I accept that they don't and I hold no brief with them.

                            1. re: Perilagu Khan

                              Well said, Perilagu Khan. Personally, Indian & Mexican are two of my fave cuisines in the world. I have some very close friends who can't stand either or both and, like you, I don't hold it against them.

                          2. re: sal_acid

                            Very hard to find good Mexican/taqueria food in many places. I lived in San Francisco and it was amazing. Now I live in Memphis and I just don't eat Mexican or taqueria food. Now whenever I visit the family I just destroy tacos and burritos.

                              1. re: sal_acid

                                But you stated "that reaches my part of the world" So you really do not have experience with Mexican Cuisine, which is not "platters of tough meat, refried beans and gloppy sauces"
                                So you are ignorant of what Mexican Cuisine is since you have opportunity to experience it yet you say you have made a fair sampling of it?.

                                1. re: chefj

                                  If they don't like it, they don't like it.
                                  again, personal preference.

                                  1. re: wyogal

                                    How can you say you do not like it if you have never had it?

                                    1. re: chefj

                                      They have had it. Not every single cuisine or dish from Mexico, maybe, but enough to know they are not a fan.
                                      No, I do not think a person has to try every single variation or dish of a certain country in order to have the "right" to say they don't like that cuisine.

                                      1. re: wyogal

                                        They have not had enough to know if they do not like it. The description of what has been sampled shows that they have not had a fair representation of what Mexican food is only crappy Mexican food some where out side of Mexico.
                                        They have the right to say what ever they want, but it is not based on an informed opinion.

                                        1. re: chefj

                                          And what percentage of a nation's dishes (as if we could even enumerate every Mexican dish) must one sample in order to have an "informed opinion"?

                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                            One needs to at least try one dish made by someone who is proficient and experienced at the cuisine to have any real information to base a blanket statement like that on.
                                            Do you think eating American food at an Applebee's in Kenya would be an and experience to base a opinion of all American cooking on?

                                            1. re: chefj

                                              Or Applebee's anywhere in the US, for that matter.

                                              1. re: chefj

                                                I rather doubt the OP's friend was basing his opinion on Applebinh's. Therefore, you have no call to condemn his dislike of Vietnamese cuisine.

                                                1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                  this sub thread was in response "sal_acid's" above post.
                                                  Sorry if you were confused

                                      2. re: chefj

                                        Look here, my friend. I have eaten Mexican food in Texas, Delaware, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, New Mexico and New York over many decades. That is an extremely fair sampling of what's available in the US. And I don't like it.

                                        I haven't had all of the dishes in France, Japan, China or Italy, but I like what I've had in the US, so I say I like Italian, French, Chinese and Japanese food.

                                        I take it you like your overcooked meat with gloppy sauces and refried beans. That is your choice, I would never criticize you.

                                        1. re: sal_acid

                                          With all due respect, having lived in Mexico I can say that it is not very likely at all that you've had a real sampling of the true range of Mexican cuisine. Your again reducing Mexican cuisine to "overcooked meat with gloppy sauces and refried beans" demonstrates that you have not had real Mexican food. Just because a restaurant in Texas, Delaware, Pennsylvania, etc. says it is "Mexican" doesn't mean that it really is. I'm sure that 99% of the "Mexican" restaurants in the U.S. specialize in the nachos, burritos and frozen margaritas. There may well be Mexicans in the kitchen (there are in French and Italian restaurants as well) and there may even be Mexican Americans eating there but that still doesn't mean they are serving Mexican food and not a version designed to appeal to the American (and even second and third-generation Mexican American) conception of what Mexican food is.

                                          If you want to say that you don't like "Mexican-American" food that would be fair enough, but it does not seem like you have had sufficient experience with the real cuisine of Mexico to be in a position to be able to pronounce whether you like it or not.

                                          To be frank, having lived also in Japan, the same would be true of the majority of Americans who claim either to like or to dislike Japanese food based on their experiences eating in the large majority of "Japanese" restaurants in the the U.S.

                                          1. re: mpad

                                            PA has pretty crappy Mexican food, says this PA resident who cooked his way through a substantial portion of Diana Kennedy's first three books, as well as a couple of Southwestern cookbooks, during 1982-87 (I lived in DC then, fwiw).

                                            That said, there's something recognizable and samey-samey about even good Mexican food (it's the chiles, dammit, and I didn't always use the hot ones). Since 1987, I've pretty much given up on making it. Italian is how I live, pretty much, when it comes to food.

                                            As for the original post, except for sushi, you kind of have to drag me to an Asian restaurant. I wouldn't say I _hate_ any particular cuisine, but with very few exceptions, I've never had much desire to make any of it at home, and that's the barometer for me, foodwise, whether I want to cook it.

                                            1. re: Jay F

                                              I'll give credit to someone who's cooked out of Diana Kennedy's books as having given real Mexican food a try and so fair enough for them to then say they don't like Mexican food.

                                              I have no problem with people not liking the flavor profiles in Mexican or any other cuisine, so long as they've tried a sufficient cross sample of the real thing to be making an informed decision.

                                              The truth about many ethnic restaurants is that they aren't serving a very "authentic" (and I know that the very meaning of authentic can trigger huge debates in Chowhound) food. This can be from a lack of availability of ingredients or because financially they figure they need to broaden their appeal or for other reasons. Most immigrants who open restaurants don't come with a lot of cooking experience but opening a restaurant is seen as the best path to operating their own business.

                                              Little of the Vietnamese food I've had here tastes much like what I ate in Vietnam. Many Vietnamese immigratns were ethnic Chinese from the south and so the restaurants they opened don't necessarily reflect the full breadth of the country's cuisine.

                                              But having lived in both countries, what is passed off as "Mexican" or "Japanese" in restaurants here is particularly egregious.

                                              1. re: mpad

                                                >I have no problem with people not liking the flavor profiles in Mexican or any other cuisine<

                                                What is a flavor _profile_?

                                                1. re: Jay F

                                                  Many cuisines have a set of ingredients and combinations of flavors that they draw on. That is what distinguishes the flavors of one cuisine from another. For example:

                                                  Japanese: dashi (katsuobushi and konbu), soy sauce, miso, sake and mirin. One way or another those ingredients will be in virtually every Japanese dish. Others common but not in every dish would include rice vinegar, nori, sesame seeds, katsuobushi, ginger, wasabi, Japanese mustard, daikon and lots of others.

                                                  Mexican: dried chiles (ancho, pasilla, guajillo, arbol, chipotle), fresh chiles, tomato, tomatillo, herbs (cilantro, epazote, hoja santa, Mexican oregano), nixtamalized corn.

                                                  Indian: lots of spices used in complex combinations (cumin, coriander, cardamom, fenugreek, asafoetida, amchur, mustard seeds, turmeric to name just a few), chiles

                                      3. re: sal_acid

                                        " sal_acid about 3 hours ago

                                        I am no fan of the Mexican food that reaches my part of the world."

                                        Just curious to know if you have tried Mexican food in uh Mexico?

                                        And I really do appreciate your disclaimer (just trying to figure out what part of the world you are in...Middle East Coast USA? Yeah, I don't think I would like much of the "Mexican" food I would find their the Italian good?)

                                        1. re: pedalfaster

                                          Haven't been to "uh Mexico". Don't have to go to know that I don't like what I've had here. It is all made by mexicans and the restaurants are mainly patronized by Mexicans. I have every reason to believe that is authentic.

                                          I have a question for you. Why do some of you care what I like or dislike?

                                          1. re: sal_acid

                                            Speaking only for myself, I am curious because your opinions come across as very strong. People with strong opinions are usually interesting because they form those strong opinions for a reason.

                                            Anyway, there really is no "wrong" or "right" when it comes to personal taste. although sometimes the history behind those personal tastes can be interesting and informative.

                                            Happy eating! (because that's what it's really all about!).

                                            1. re: sal_acid

                                              You are making a sweeping generalization regarding one cuiziine (Mexican) by tasting a relative small sample of a different one (Tex-Mex). You can say you don't like Tex-Mex, even though you evidently haven't tried much that is actually representative of good Tex-Mex, but it is absurd to say you don't like Mexican when you have not tried it.

                                              By the way, Tex-Mex is rooted in Texas and not Mexico.

                                              This reply is intended for sal_acid.

                                              1. re: Virginian

                                                Virginian, you need to read the whole series of posts. I said that I tend to like tex-mex but not like mexican.

                                                I am well aware of the distinctions and have eaten lots and lots of Mexican food that is cooked by natives and appreciated by Mexicans as authentic. I have kept waiting to like it. I conclude that after decades of waiting to find a Mexican restaurant that I like, I don't seem to like what's served. Therefore, I must not like Mexican food.

                                                I can make any generalization I want regarding my taste, because its, well, mine. And I would know.

                                                You are free to love it and I wouldn't criticize you because we have different taste.

                                                1. re: sal_acid

                                                  Yep! I hear ya! It's a personal thing. I don't get why so many others seem to get so bent out of shape by other people's personal preferences. It's personal. It's not their business, quite frankly. :)

                                                  1. re: sal_acid

                                                    sal-acid: first of all I fully respect your well tested aversion to mexican food. you have clearly given it the benefit of the doubt many times and it just isn't something you enjoy. The only thing I wonder is if you have ever tried to figure out what the common denominator is. Is there one prevalent spice or combination of flavors that is pervasive in virtually everything you tried? Perhaps someone with a wider knowledge of Mexican cuisine would be able to shed some light on it. And really the only reason to find out is that you might be able to identify a few dishes that don't have it so if you 'had' to go to a Mexican restaurant there would be a chance to order something you could enjoy or at least not dislike.

                                                    1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                      Why is it so important that he prove to the Nth degree exactly why he doesn't like something?

                                                      You don't like it, you don't like it. You move on. Lot of food out there in the world that's not Mexican.

                                                      I've never really gotten the Chowhound concept that you're not a "real" Chowhound unless you eat everything. Because you're "adventurous" is often the justification. It's perfectly acceptable to like what you like, and not like what you don't like.

                                                          1. re: Jay F

                                                            I know you wanted me to avoid you, but, I couldn't help it. I agree with you! :)

                                                        1. re: Jay F

                                                          Exactly, Jay. But there are exceptions to the "like everything" dictat. To wit, you can't be a real Chowhound if you like fast foods, processed foods, and Chinese-American food. Food has to be "authentic" and lovingly and/or expertly prepared dontchaknow.

                                                          1. re: Perilagu Khan

                                                            Oh come on, that's just hitting the beehive. CH's were just talking about monkey bread and Cheese Wiz two mins ago on another thread. And, Supertaster has quite the following on CHOW about the latest processed brand. So, go ahead hit the beehive...but don't sell some b.s. about what CH's don't accept...ain't true.

                                                          2. re: Jay F

                                                            Perhaps I wasn't clear. I admit and agree, sal doesn't like Mexican food. And I don't have a problem with that. I would not expect sal to jump up and down excitedly when someone suggests going out for Mexican food. For myself, when there is something I don't like, I want to know why I don't like it. Maybe that gives me a clue as to other things I don't like or won't like. It might also make it possible to enjoy or at least tolerate a meal that would otherwise be bad.

                                                            1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                              If I were stuck in a country -- call it Mexico, for argument's sake -- where all I could eat were Mexican food, maybe it would matter to me why I don't like it, since, presumably, I'd be having to eat it every day.

                                                              But I don't live in a place of limited options, so I choose to eat food I know I like, which in my case is usually Italian, or French-ish American...Alice Waters-y food. I've been around long enough to know what I like, trust me.

                                                              Another thing. I really can't afford to spend money purposely on food I don't like--not when I have so many options to eat food I do like.

                                                              1. re: Jay F

                                                                I don't think we fundamentally disagree that sal_acid has a right to dislike Mexican food. And I agree, there is no reason to defend it to the nth degree.

                                                              1. re: Jay F

                                                                I wholdheartedly agree with you Jay F. All the world's cuisines have something to offer for everyone's taste. That something may be hard to identify for any number of reasons but not having identified it is not a valid reason to trash an entire cuisine. If you don't like something or think you may not like something don't eat it, and don't pass judgement on a foreign cuisine until you meaningfully experienced that cuisine in the country of origin.

                                                                1. re: mudcat

                                                                  I don't think anyone is trashing an entire cuisine on this thread. Some people are merely expressing their dislike of a cuisine and why they would rather not eat that cuisine again. They're not going around telling everyone that a cuisine is horrible and that others should be avoiding it.

                                                              2. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                Good question, Kaimukiman.

                                                                I think cilantro tastes like soap. So there's that.

                                                                Guacamole seems slimy.

                                                                I like the mexican palette of spices that also show up in southwestern/texmex food.

                                                                But the gloppy texture of sauce/food that shows up on the plate is a turn -off. FWIW I'm no fan of manicotti either, which seems to be one of the few mistakes in Italian cuisine.

                                                                I despise refried beans, the Mexican equivalent of poi.

                                                                I have had very nice moles...I've also had dreck moles.

                                                                I like fish tacos, but I'm not certain that these are Mexican and not Californian.

                                                                Part of my aversion to Mexican food are the wretched pieces of meat that show up. Gross overcooking must be required.

                                                                I'm sure that there are things I'd like in the vast expanse of Mexico, but, to me, it is an untrustworthy cuisine.

                                                                I'm not trying to provoke anyone with these comments. I actually puzzled at the controversy my palate has stirred up.

                                                                1. re: sal_acid

                                                                  I think I'm correct in stating that fish tacos are a mainstay in Baja California. Perhaps Sinaloa as well.

                                                                  1. re: sal_acid

                                                                    Im not a fan of cilantro or avocado myself. I abhor restaurants that smother every single entree in sour cream and guacamole, then give you a choice of red or green sauce to smother it in. I agree that a good deal of what is dished out as refried beans has about as much resemblence to well prepared refried beans as cafeteria porridge does to risotto. I also have to admit that I like beans in general, I know a great many people do not.

                                                                    I grew up with the "authentic" version of old style alta-california Mexican food, from which -sadly - developed into much of what is now the mess of food you described in your postings. And it can be, in fact often is, just as horrible as you portray it to be, wretched pieces of meat and all.

                                                                    Based on that you have every reason to believe that most Mexican food is dreck. And just as you are unlikely to find really good Chinese food in many places in the US, you are unlikely to find really good Mexican food as well. The really disappointing thing is that most people don't realize how awful what they are eating is compared to what it can be.

                                                                    I am glad to hear that at least you have had some decent moles, one of the real high points of Mexican food when done right, and a bitter scorched curdled mess when done wrong.

                                                            2. re: sal_acid

                                                              "why care?" Because this is a food discussion site and if you post strong opinions, you invariably get strong opinions back. Why would you post that you hate Mexican if you don't want discussion?

                                                              I disliked it for years because men tend to love it so much. Most men I know. My husband and son, anyway. I disliked being overruled when I wanted Asian and winding up at the Tex-Mex/Mex burrito/taco counter. But then I had really good mole. The closest thing to great curry/vindaloo. Which I love.

                                                              1. re: rccola

                                                                I think it has to do with people expressing their opinion, answering the question posted, and others being rather harsh in response. There are some responses here that are not very nice. It's not merely a "discussion."

                                                                1. re: wyogal

                                                                  Have to admit didn't read them all

                                                          3. re: sal_acid

                                                            I hate to join in the fray against sal_acid, I just don't think that what they described is how I think of Mexican food.

                                                            1. re: EWSflash

                                                              I'm with you -- I will totally and completely accept that Sal doesn't like American interpretations of Mexican.

                                                              But it's really, really difficult to justify saying that you don't like ANY of the food from a given country, especially when that country is large enough to have rather distinct regional differences.

                                                              I've had Oaxacan and Yucatan food that didn't have a single glob of refried beans or cheese, and it was fantabulous.

                                                              The fact that it's made by Mexicans does't mean that it's traditional or authentic (or whatever word you would use to mean that it resembles anything found in Mexico) -- it just means that Mexican folks are making what the local populace is willing to consider "Mexican".

                                                              Where I live, Old El Paso is considered authentic -- this makes me weep a little....but I also know that it's pretty awful in comparison to "real" (used to live in a region with a very high Mexican population and was not infrequently the only Caucasian in the place. And the food was outstanding with no beans and *Mexican* cheese -- not shredded American cheese)

                                                              By the way - I hate refried while I understand where you're coming from, I don't understand how you got to where you are.

                                                              Next time you're in an area with a large Mexican population, take some time to hunt down a "real" mexican restaurant. I'm guessing you'll be pleasantly surprised.

                                                              (by the by -- being allergic to an ingredient commonly used in a given cuisine moves it out of the like/dislike category entirely...)

                                                              1. re: sunshine842

                                                                When our house in SF was under renovation, one of the workers was a charming and handsome young man of 18 who I quickly adopted as his crush on our daughter, referred to online as PhD Barbie, was so cute. I wanted to take him to an authentic Mexican fish restaurant on Mission Street and he wanted to go to...TACO BELL. Why? "The other stuff's like the shit my mother makes. I LOVE TACO BELL." Over-salted, over-fatty and beloved for quick cheap lunch by many of the Mexicans around here. The young ones at least.

                                                                As a mother who cooks, it made me cringe.