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oblatten (edible paper wafers for lebkuchen)

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DavyTheFatBoy Dec 27, 2012 06:47 AM

Where can I buy these in the flatiron district? NY Cake & Baking Supply is closed this week (although I couldn't find on their web site).

And for extra credit, why do these cookies need this paper base when no other cookies do? Is there something about the dough for these?

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    DavyTheFatBoy Dec 28, 2012 05:58 PM

    Sorry if I wasn't clear, I was looking for the paper (potato flour?) discs on which to bake homemade dough. I was not looking for finished cookies, just the white base that my German friend thinks is essential.

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    1. re: DavyTheFatBoy
      RUK Dec 28, 2012 06:14 PM

      Please look at my link in my email to you above.

      and edited to add another link
      http://www.amazon.com/Kuechle-Back-Ob...

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      laraffinee Dec 27, 2012 09:23 PM

      I've used Oblatten Wafers for Pishinger Torte. I've never seen them used for cookies.

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        gracenote Dec 27, 2012 02:57 PM

        a bit off the question, but Trader Joe's sells Oblatten during the holiday season, and yes they do have the paper bottom.
        I've gotten them before Christmas, then they seem to disappear from the shelves.

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          hungrycomposer Dec 27, 2012 04:45 PM

          TJ's sells Lebkuchen for the holidays (the cookies from Nuremberg with the wafer bottom). You can also buy high-end lebkuchen at the Union Sq. gift market (now closed, and they were terribly overpriced anyhow). Oblaten are simple wafer cookies. Sorry to be such a nitpicker, but at least I have no more to add about industrial sound in reference to the subject.

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            RUK Dec 27, 2012 04:57 PM

            We cross posted.....

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              gracenote Dec 28, 2012 05:41 PM

              yes you're right, I just looked at the package and it says Soft Ginger Cookies. I'm pretty sure the sign at my store said Oblaten, otherwise I wouldn't have picked up on the word.

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              RUK Dec 27, 2012 04:46 PM

              If I may please - Trader Joe does sell a version of Elisen Lebkuchen and they are baked on wafers, which are called Oblaten. Those wafers are made from Wheat, they are not paper.

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                hungrycomposer Dec 27, 2012 06:39 PM

                I stand corrected - I think "oblaten" just means "wafers" in German. But in Nuremberg they told me that Elisen Lebkuchen was of a higher quality - more nuts and fruit than the standard lebkuchen. You could buy them for $21 at the gift fair. I think the TJ's variety, though delicious, is a more common mass-produced lebkuchen (or is one a lebkuch?) How a Jewish girl in the east village learned so much about German Xmas cookies is beyond me, but wikipedia seems to clarify:
                http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebkuchen

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                  RUK Dec 28, 2012 05:47 AM

                  I make large batches of Elisen Lebkuchen every Christmas season, they are truly easy to make and it seems they always disappear quickly around here. :-)

                   
                   
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                    DavyTheFatBoy Dec 28, 2012 05:58 PM

                    Do you use any sort of paper or potato flour thin (like a piece of paper) wafer base, or do you just cook your dough directly on a cookie sheet?

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                      RUK Dec 28, 2012 06:15 PM

                      I buy these wheat wafers/Oblaten
                      http://www.germangrocery.com/KU90M.html
                      and place/ pile the cookie mix on that with a knife. Then I use a Silpat on a cookie sheet and bake the cookies.
                      In my picture you see the iced, finished product.
                      I prefer the 90 mm size Oblaten as I did here. 70 mm works ok too in a pinch, but I never use the smaller size.

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              hungrycomposer Dec 27, 2012 11:25 AM

              I'm not sure oblaten are the traditional base for lebkuchen. As far as I can remember the thin base for lebkuchen is made with potato flour. Oblaten are just a thin wafer-style cookie. If it's a substitution I'd make it without the base, or improvise.
              I lived in Nuremberg, home of lebkuchen, and smelled them baking for 6 weeks. So delicious... I was there for a Siemens Arts Program residency in the local factories but unfortunately I didn't get to visit the lebkuchen factories. I did get to visit the Carlsbad oblaten factory in Minnesota, you could always google them and see if it leads you to any local retailers. They are quite delicious (and their factory made interesting sounds too).

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              1. re: hungrycomposer
                RUK Dec 27, 2012 04:46 PM

                I thought the OP was surely thinking of Elisenkuchen/Elisen Lebkuchen, which are traditionally baked on Oblaten.

              2. RUK Dec 27, 2012 07:18 AM

                I always manage to pick up Oblaten at my German Butcher ( here in Fair Lawn, NJ) Do you have a sort of German store/specialty Food shop in your area?
                Btw you can bake them without the wafers, I have done it once per special request for a friend. I used a Silpat and it didn't stick.

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