Changes to Design on Thursday, Dec 13
1. Font size on threads has been bumped from 13 to 14 and darkened.
2. Fixed a graphical issue on the boards that caused a small dark grey box to appear by the username.
3. On desktop, the "post" and "reply" buttons will now allow you to start typing.
4. Fixed fonts on "Discussions You Might Like", and added buttons so that users can start a thread from there.
5. Text on category pages has been darkened.
6. Fixed the padding on the profile pages to match Chowhound homepage.
7. Fixed the look of pagination on the mobile and desktop profile pages.
In terms of tomorrow's changes, CHOW policy is NOT to release on Fridays, so you won't be seeing changes coming tomorrow. You can rest assured that we will be here next week and more changes will be on their way then.
Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. We are most definitely listening.
Thanks,
Meredith
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So here's a question that has been asked several times by many, and I for one have not seen a response. is there any plan on getting rid of the white/gray? has there been a response as to why you would not get rid of it, change it? it is still very difficult, on looking at my recent discussions, to differentiate between threads that have a new reply on them and to those that do not. you have to specifically focus on the arrow, as opposed to just glancing at a color. the difference between gray and white is very slight, and still hard on the eye.
so I'm asking, again.... any response? and please forgive (and link me to) if i have missed a specific response to this specific request - are you getting rid of the white/gray and replacing it with something more readable? thanks very much.
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I wish the mobil edition of this site would have the name of the person being replied to in the upper right corner of the post just as it is in the full site. I realize the mobil version needs to be streamlined, but it is sometimes difficult to figure out to whom the response is intended. Then it is necessary to scroll up and attempt to guess the person/poster to whom the response is intended. If the name were in the upper right corner, it would simplify things.
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I'm sorry if this question has been asked already. I was curious if there is any plan to add a map type feature that would let you find restaurants by area or zip code and see reviews from users. I did a search and found a few old posts eluding that this used to be a feature but has since been removed. I think searching by keyword and sifting through discussions is a little more complicated than many other review sites currently on the market. Just a question, I'm sure many other users have good reasons why this feature shouldn't be implemented. I love all the content on this great site!
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One thing I *do* like about this redesign is that now we can click on the name of the last person to post so we don't have to scroll through the whole dang thread.
(If we had the ability to that with the old design I obviously missed it.)
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re: Gio
Here's the discussion about "last reply". FWIW, the previous functionality to scroll to the first new reply was more useful and I'm glad that TPTB are considering bringing it back.
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8815...And note that after 2 days, the name of the last person to post is no longer displayed on the board index. So you have to click on the date to go to the last reply.
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I still cannot find if this has been answered anywhere. I have asked this question on numerous redesign posts with no response, that I can find. Please help!
Is there a way to reply to the OP from the bottom of a thread? If the answer is no is there a plan to correct that and what is the ETA?
I am finding it increasingly frustrating to have to page to the top of long posts to reply to the OP, especially on the continuous threads ala “what’s for dinner”.
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re: GH1618
Whereas I view it as they've not directly answered the question, but have given their new alternative method to the actual question asked, which was "Is there a way to reply to the OP from the bottom of a thread?"
Now, the only alternative is to click the "Return to Top" link and THEN click Reply under the original post, whereas before you could just reply to the OP. While it's not taxing, they've taken a simple process and chose to add another step to it. It seems rather silly to add an additional step rather than K.I.S.S.
But I guess that's job security for whichever programmer added that to the board's software.
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re: LindaWhit
I'm remembering complaints from some posters who couldn't figure out the difference between replying to the original post and replying to one of the replies in a thread and would end up in a different place than expected. I imagine that this change is an attempt to respond to that issue.
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re: foodieX2
Hello everyone,
As we have said elsewhere, the design changes are just the first round of changes that are coming to Chowhound. We are working on deeper functionality offerings for discussions, including sorting options, which affect the way a reply button at the bottom would work.
To answer your question, there is currently no way to respond to the OP on the bottom of a discussion. The easiest method is to press the "To the Top" button and reply at the top.
Meredith
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re: mudaba
The "To the Top" button seems perfectly adequate for a direct reply to the op. I think simpler is better and see no reason for an additional "Reply to op" button.
I would like to see the Edit button remain longer. Sometimes I see a post I've made the day before, and wish I could change something!
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re: josephnl
As Jacquilynne explained in this post http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7784...
The reason we don't allow editing of posts outside a short window is because Chowhound is a conversation, and changing a post can change the replies in unintended ways.
Imagine a scenario in which someone says "I love Restaurant X! It's fantastic!" and someone else replies "I totally agree!" But then the first person has a bad experience and goes back and edits their post to read "I used to love Restaurant X, but I think it's gone downhill." The reply still reads "I totally agree!" but now that second person is agreeing to something they may not actually agree with -- or may have never even seen.
If you've got additional information or a changed opinion, it's best to reply and update it that way everyone can see that the information has changed and nothing gets confused.
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re: josephnl
I for one have a problem with forever regarding "edit".If there really is an honest mistake the CH team can make corrections if asked.I live with the fact I don't type well and English isn't my only primary language,onus on me to read,edit,correct etc as I go or in the window of edit fix.
If there really is a change,a reply in the appropriate spot with a correction or ? is always an option.
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re: josephnl
The red diamond next to a user name indicates that the poster is Chow staff, except in the case of The Chowhound Team, where it indicates an official note from the moderation team.
Volunteer moderators do not have the red diamond on their individual user names, and do not have the option to do so. Site policy disallows their commenting on moderation issues under their own accounts.
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When I look at the site now I don't see the "New" indication I used to. I haven't used the site at all since the redesign b/c I don't get it now. I must be the only one b/c I don't see this question. Can you tell me how I know if there has been a new reply since last I looked at a thread? Thanks
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I think this has been mentioned by some others, but would it be possible to show links to more pages at the bottom of a category page? For example, right now at the bottom of the Home Cooking page, there are links to pages 2, 2653, and 2654; it would be great to have links to pages 2, 3, 4 like the old design, so that it's easier to jump a few days back.
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I've refrained from commenting until now to see how things would shake out and I haven't read all the long threads on the subject. Forgive me I'm repeating others' comments.
1. I'm still getting the page jumpiness while using this on my iPad. It's only marginally better then before the design change.
2. I wish the "reply to original post" would come back. It's an extra unnecessary step to click to the top and then scroll down to the reply box.
3. On that same note, I also miss clicking on the number of replies and having it jump past the original post.
4. I'm not a fan of the home cooking board change to de-emphazing cotm and dotm. It makes it harder to find and again, a lot of unnecessary clicks to get to the post that I am looking for.
5. The name change from boards to categories is kind of pointless in my view. It's more a matter of principle then anything. It's the same attachment I have to typing chowhound.com v. the new address. It goes back to the history of chowhound and helps to preserve the memory. This is an easy bone to throw users.
6. More threads per page would be helpful. I know it's been increased but is there any reason why it's still so limited. On active boards, threads get bumped to the next page very quickly. And if you can't tell yet, I'm not a fan of extra clicks.
7. Lastly, I am still getting used to the new color scheme for unread v. read threads. For some reason though, my instinct is to click on the grey thread as unread even though I see and arrow on the white threads. The red new sign is much easier to discern the new threads v. the old ones.
Those are some of my random thoughts.
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re: beetlebug
The jumpiness is annoying, all right. I wish they would fix that. It's caused by the variable-size advertising space at the top which is painted late in the process. It seems to me that all they would need to do to fix it is paint the header fields, including the ad space, before painting the list of threads. But I'm no expert in web page implementation. Perhaps it is more complicated than that.
Other than that, and the mispositioned profile page, I find the new design just about perfect. The white vs. grey to distinguish threads with new material is ideal, in my opinion. The highlighted thread is obviously the one with new material. This method of distinguishing parts of a display of most interest wasn't invented here — it's very old.
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Hi, Meredith: "Font size on threads has been bumped from 13 to 14 and darkened."
Now bump it down to 12 and tighten everything up so there are even more threads per page.
The T, W, Th changes have reduced my dislike level of the redesign from 100% down to 50%.
Aloha,
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re: kaleokahu
AYYY-men to "bump down to 12." AND tighten. I feel a bit patronized by being given the Large Print Version here - look, I've got my reading glasses on, dammit!
I have no idea what this looks like on anything but a 21" iMac monitor, nor do I ever propose to, so maybe I'm not the guy to be handing out advice here. All I can address is those things that comprise my own Chowhound experience, and what this looks like to me is that someone took the picnic off the table and scattered it loosely all over the parking lot. So now I have to go waaaaaay over there to see that thing and waaaay back here to see the other. How is that an improvement?
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On safari on an iPhone, you have to wait for the entire My Categories page, ads and all, to load before you can click on anything. If you do a premature click, it lands above or below what you think you're clicking on. I'm finding it easier to use a bookmark in my browser than navigate in this fashion.
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Love your new look. Works great on my laptop and iPad, but not on iPhone. On iPhone, it is not possible to tell which threads have new posts...all are white!
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Not sure if I've said this in my other posts, but I'd really like to see you use up ALL the available real estate. Is it necessary to have such big borders/margins on either side of the page? I'd lose the textured skin (can you tell by now that I hate it?), expand the width of the discussion column, and push the ad/video column farther to the right. It would free up more space for threads *and* look cleaner & more fluid. It's just so choppy, and I dislike unnecessary wastefulness of any kind.
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re: mcf
It's funny, I was feeling the same way too and then I compared the real estate given to the core content to Facebook and Yelp and Chowhound is actually a bit more when comparing to Facebook, and when comparing to some pages on Yelp (for example http://www.yelp.com/biz/cappas-trackside-kitchen-melrose-2)
Yelp gives more real estate to the content on their forum pages, which is what is comparable to Chowhound. For example, here http://www.yelp.com/topic/boston-hip-...
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I still don't understand why I see the font of each post in "comic sans MS" and all the other lettering on banners, notices, etc. in "sans serif"... It's making my Chowhound experience comically cartoonish.
Oh, and on the Main Discussion Board the font (comic sans MS) is enboldened.
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re: Gio
Gio. Sorry to hear you having this problem. Have you tried clearing your browser cache? If not, there is a very useful link about browser cache clearing in the site talk sticky about solving technical problems. Please try that, and if it doesn't work, please report back with your OS version, and browser version where you're seeing the problem, and a screen grab if possible.
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re: Gio
Hi Gio,
It looks like you have installed some kind of custom skin or template to your browser giving it that "wooden" look. My guess is that it is also over-riding the fonts from webpages.
Click on the "Firefox" menu in the upper left-hand corner, and follow through to Options>Options. From there move to the "Content" tab, and from there click on the "Advanced" button in the "Fonts & Colors" section. My guess is that the checkbox "Allow pages to choose their own fonts" in there has become unchecked. Please make sure that box is checked and let me know if that works.
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re: Gio
Meshane, It appears that I'm the only one with the font anomaly and The Team have more pressing issues to consider, so don't spend time with my little problem. I'll deal with it myself and in the end will probably just let it ride. I simply thought it was worth mentioning hoping there was an easy fix.
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re: Gio
Hi Gio,
Thank you for being very understanding. I still have some thoughts on this however, so no need to hold them back.
Let's try another thing. In that same location, "Firefox" menu > Options > Options > "Content" tab > "Advanced" button, in the "Fonts & Colors" section, what font is selected for Sans-serif? Is it Comic Sans MS? If so, Firefox is still over-riding the page font for some reason. Try switching it to a more standard sans-serif font like Arial or Helvetica.
Let me know if that works please. Best of luck.
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re: Gio
I'm glad to hear that worked for you Gio. There seems to be a bug in Firefox that once you specify font's, it's using the specified fonts no matter what you choose in "Allow pages to choose their own." I reproduced this problem on my own system. The only way to fix it that I know of is to uninstall and do a clean install of Firefox. If you're happy with Arial, then don't bother, but if you want to use fonts specified by the websites you visit, you probably need to do a clean install of Firefox.
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It cracks me up that people are thanking the team for fixing what they broke. Actually it's a pretty brilliant marketing decision, if your goal isn't actually to improve the user experience.
Meanwhile, I mentioned this in another post, but am wondering why you don't post the number of NEW posts in the area next to the (confusing to some) arrow that indicates there are new posts? It's totally irrelevant to know the total number of posts.
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re: miss louella
Yeah, I don't understand the point of the arrow either--- isn't it redundant with the white shading of the thread?
Maybe it's more computationally intensive or ugly, but it makes more sense to have a fraction showing the number of new posts divided by the total number. That way, you see how popular a thread has become relative to the last time you were there.
As an aside, I don't know if its because I just switched to iOS6 on my iPhone or the new changes on chowhound, but the site seems to load a lot faster.
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Are you all planning to deal with the issues on Android devices?
- Overly large fonts (still)
- Inability to adjust font size through normal methods...even after rebooting the device
- Reply arrows that don't always appear
- Fish-eye appearance
Unless you guys did something today you didn't mention, CH is still sucky on Android devices
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re: DiningDiva
Hi DiningDiva, As an Android user myself, I hear you and others on the Android issues. I have perfected the double tap workaround for the time being, but to answer your question, yes, it is absolutely our intention to address Android issues. The bad news is that we may not be able to fix those issues until early Jan, but the good news is that we have already set aside time to deal with them.
Thanks for asking about it and trying to use the site mobile-ly.
Meredith
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re: mudaba
Hi Meredith,
I too am an Android user (using an older LG Optimus) and have experienced what I consider to be some pretty glaring problems which makes the site unusable (not in a spoiled brat "you moved my cheese" way, but in an actual, practical "the reply button won't appear so I can't respond" kind of way.
It seems like the site was primarily tested on iPhones. Is this the case?
I am a bit confused by the roll-out. Was there a holiday deadline for this, for commercial/advertising reasons? Why not just perfect the thing for the two largest phone mobile operating systems and then roll it out? What was the rush?
To my knowledge, none of the users were clamoring for a site redesign, and none of us would have known the difference if you rolled it out two months later in a fully functional form. It seems you guys could have avoided a whole lot of agita that way.
Mr Taster
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re: mudaba
Thanks again!
Meredith, I wonder if you might include some info as to how to get involved in beta testing for future iterations of the site.
I've been Chowhounding around here for an awfully long time now, and I've noticed (as I'm sure you have) that every time the site is redesigned there's a whole lot of rabble from the masses (often I'm a part of the rabble!). There's always a few compliments and a whole lot more complains, which run the gamut from the relevant to the irrelevant, constructive to cantankerous.
But either way, I've noticed that every time there are a couple of changes which are smack-on-the-forehead, common sense, glaringly obvious issues to frequent and longtime users that any number of real Chowhound users could have pointed out to you well before the rollout. (like the crazy jumbo-sized android font-- I must be missing something, but I truly don't understand how anyone would have thought that to be a good thing-- unless your target demo is skewing octogenarian.
I, for one, would be happy to volunteer my voice (and my 38 year old eyes) to that discussion, as I'm sure would many people here.
Thanks again for your work, and for keeping up apprised. We may not express it enough or adequately, but it does mean a lot to those of us who spend a lot of our time here.
Mr Taster
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re: Mr Taster
Hi Mr Taster,
Just wanted to link to our most recent announcement of user testing that happened last August, just so you know what you should look for in the future: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/863085
The restrictions tend to be that we do the testing in-person here in San Francisco, though if there are opportunities for remote testing we'll also post about them in the same way, on a thread on Site Talk.
Thanks for your interest,
Meredith
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re: mudaba
whoooooaaaaa.... that means CHers here in San Francisco are to blame for all this?? I am sure they are laying low - they'd likely be stoned for their contribution to what so many have railed against! : )
ETA - damn, i think i even applied for this, and never heard back. bullet DODGED.
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I am very appreciative of the ongoing changes.
That said... "Categories" is non-standard and confusing.
I don't think of cities as categorical. United States, Canada, International and Topical could be considered categories I guess, individual boards are not.
One tenet of User-centered design is to stick to common word usage instead of using language users might find confusing.
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re: GH1618
not sure why you singled me out as i'm not the only one who is puzzled by the change and i wasn't even the first to bring it up. and yes, the definition you posted does define a category, but the boards are really sub-categories within broader classes. i just don't see why, when discussion boards that were formerly called "boards" had to be renamed "categories" - if it ain't broke...
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I would still like an 'unsubscribe' button. DaveMP's thread on the new design now has 649 replies. I don't wish to read anymore. I suppose it will get locked soon, but you get my idea.
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re: magic
Many people agree with you.
http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/823989
I've already read 600+ posts on why people don't like like the redesign.
I don't care anymore, and I don't want it to keep popping up in my posts anymore.
MEREDITH, PRETTY PLEASE ADD AN "UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THREAD" OPTION!!!
Mr Taster
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re: John E.
What Meredith said is that "being able to subscribe on a discussion level" is on the roadmap. Currently you can subscribe to e-mail notifications for all threads you've participated in or none of them. There is currently no way to subscribe on the specific discussions you want to. That is on the road map.
In other words, the very thing you are requesting, "unsubscribe" is on the road map for early next year.
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re: Mr Taster
Since we're repeating chronic requests - I think there needs to be an option to unsubscribe but also one in which you will be notified if there is a reply to one of your own posts within a given thread, whether or not you've unsubscribed. I have no wish to continue with some of those Magna Cartas either, but if someone posts with a question or reply specifically regarding my own post on that thread, it would be nice to know.
I concur that replacing "report" with "flag" is unnecessary, not to mention potentially confusing.
Still can't stay on the site for more than 5 minutes because of the headache and eyestrain from all the blank white background. Either make it gray, which you like to use where it's NOT appropriate, or beige like the banner at the top of the page.
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I apologize if this has already been mentioned but I couldn't find it on any of the threads.
When I am on my iphone, I can only look at the first page of discussions. The page numbers nor any type of arrow appear so I can see older threads. I get just the first 25.
It's fine on my PC, it just seems to be something within the phone view.
Thanks.
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