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Changes to Design on Thursday, Dec 13

mudaba Dec 13, 2012 04:38 PM

1. Font size on threads has been bumped from 13 to 14 and darkened.

2. Fixed a graphical issue on the boards that caused a small dark grey box to appear by the username.

3. On desktop, the "post" and "reply" buttons will now allow you to start typing.

4. Fixed fonts on "Discussions You Might Like", and added buttons so that users can start a thread from there.

5. Text on category pages has been darkened.

6. Fixed the padding on the profile pages to match Chowhound homepage.

7. Fixed the look of pagination on the mobile and desktop profile pages.

In terms of tomorrow's changes, CHOW policy is NOT to release on Fridays, so you won't be seeing changes coming tomorrow. You can rest assured that we will be here next week and more changes will be on their way then.

Thank you for your thoughtful feedback. We are most definitely listening.



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  1. LindaWhit RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 05:56 PM

    1. Thanks, but I personally was OK with 12 or 13.
    2. Never saw it.
    3. Thanks!
    4. Good idea!
    5. Thank you!
    6. YAY!
    7. Not sure what you mean here.

    Thanks Meredith. It is much appreciated knowing that the CH Team is actually listening to the users' concerns.

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      thedryer RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 06:00 PM

      I apologize if this has already been mentioned but I couldn't find it on any of the threads.

      When I am on my iphone, I can only look at the first page of discussions. The page numbers nor any type of arrow appear so I can see older threads. I get just the first 25.

      It's fine on my PC, it just seems to be something within the phone view.


      1 Reply
      1. re: thedryer
        scubadoo97 RE: thedryer Dec 14, 2012 02:11 PM

        Same here on an iPhone. No way to more threads without having to go to catagories/chowhound

      2. mcf RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 06:24 PM

        Thank you, larger and darker font appreciated... not all the way there, but usable at least.

        1. John E. RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 06:53 PM

          I would still like an 'unsubscribe' button. DaveMP's thread on the new design now has 649 replies. I don't wish to read anymore. I suppose it will get locked soon, but you get my idea.

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          1. re: John E.
            magic RE: John E. Dec 14, 2012 07:05 AM


            1. re: magic
              Mr Taster RE: magic Dec 14, 2012 10:58 AM

              Many people agree with you.


              I've already read 600+ posts on why people don't like like the redesign.

              I don't care anymore, and I don't want it to keep popping up in my posts anymore.


              Mr Taster

              1. re: Mr Taster
                mudaba RE: Mr Taster Dec 14, 2012 11:29 AM

                Notifications, and being able to subscribe on a discussion level, is most definitely on the roadmap for early next year, Mr Taster. We definitely agree with you that it is important functionality, and we will work to bring that to you.


                1. re: mudaba
                  Mr Taster RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 01:34 PM

                  Wonderful news!!

                  Thank you for this. This will bring a great deal of happiness to (or at least minimize the frustrations of) a lot of Chowhounds.

                  Mr Taster

                  1. re: mudaba
                    mcf RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 02:29 PM

                    YESSSS! Could we possibly be getting an "ignore" button, too?

                    1. re: mudaba
                      mariacarmen RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 03:24 PM

                      WOW, REALLY???? YAY!!! THANKS CH!!!

                      1. re: mudaba
                        John E. RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 08:45 PM

                        We are already able to 'subscribe' to a discussion. I wish to be able to 'unsubscribe'.

                        1. re: John E.
                          MplsM ary RE: John E. Dec 14, 2012 09:12 PM

                          Yes, please.

                          1. re: John E.
                            Mr Taster RE: John E. Dec 14, 2012 10:24 PM

                            Your wish is granted.


                            Mr Taster

                            1. re: Mr Taster
                              magic RE: Mr Taster Dec 15, 2012 06:07 AM

                              Mr. Taster, you posted a link to this very thread (accidentally, I assume).

                              Like John E. above I still do not see any indication from mods that there is an UNSUBSCRIBE feature coming. Which is frustrating.

                              What is going on here, I begin to wonder....

                            2. re: John E.
                              meshane RE: John E. Dec 15, 2012 08:16 AM

                              What Meredith said is that "being able to subscribe on a discussion level" is on the roadmap. Currently you can subscribe to e-mail notifications for all threads you've participated in or none of them. There is currently no way to subscribe on the specific discussions you want to. That is on the road map.

                              In other words, the very thing you are requesting, "unsubscribe" is on the road map for early next year.

                              1. re: meshane
                                magic RE: meshane Dec 15, 2012 10:35 AM

                                I'll be looking for that early next year.

                                This is YEARS overdue.

                          2. re: Mr Taster
                            greygarious RE: Mr Taster Dec 14, 2012 03:41 PM

                            Since we're repeating chronic requests - I think there needs to be an option to unsubscribe but also one in which you will be notified if there is a reply to one of your own posts within a given thread, whether or not you've unsubscribed. I have no wish to continue with some of those Magna Cartas either, but if someone posts with a question or reply specifically regarding my own post on that thread, it would be nice to know.

                            I concur that replacing "report" with "flag" is unnecessary, not to mention potentially confusing.

                            Still can't stay on the site for more than 5 minutes because of the headache and eyestrain from all the blank white background. Either make it gray, which you like to use where it's NOT appropriate, or beige like the banner at the top of the page.

                      2. MplsM ary RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 08:29 PM

                        I am very appreciative of the ongoing changes.

                        That said... "Categories" is non-standard and confusing.

                        I don't think of cities as categorical. United States, Canada, International and Topical could be considered categories I guess, individual boards are not.

                        One tenet of User-centered design is to stick to common word usage instead of using language users might find confusing.

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                        1. re: MplsM ary
                          goodhealthgourmet RE: MplsM ary Dec 14, 2012 09:06 AM

                          I agree completely with this. I don't see why boards were renamed "categories" when they are not, in fact, categories.

                          1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                            Ruth Lafler RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 14, 2012 10:29 AM

                            I ranted about that a couple of days ago. If they can explain to me why they think "categories" is better, then I'll shut up about it.

                            1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                              GH1618 RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 14, 2012 01:05 PM

                              "category": "a class of things" (Oxford American Dictionary)

                              Any scheme for classifying things puts them into categories. This objection is wrong (they are, in fact, "categories") and is nit-picking in any case.

                              1. re: GH1618
                                goodhealthgourmet RE: GH1618 Dec 14, 2012 01:51 PM

                                not sure why you singled me out as i'm not the only one who is puzzled by the change and i wasn't even the first to bring it up. and yes, the definition you posted does define a category, but the boards are really sub-categories within broader classes. i just don't see why, when discussion boards that were formerly called "boards" had to be renamed "categories" - if it ain't broke...

                                1. re: GH1618
                                  MplsM ary RE: GH1618 Dec 14, 2012 01:58 PM

                                  But "category" is not standard when it comes to discussion boards.

                              2. re: MplsM ary
                                Ruth Lafler RE: MplsM ary Dec 14, 2012 10:29 AM

                                "One tenet of User-centered design is to stick to common word usage instead of using language users might find confusing."

                                Hear, hear! That goes for "flag" (which could be to mark for your own future attention) and "report" (which is quite clear) as well

                                1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                  Mr Taster RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 14, 2012 10:59 AM

                                  Interesting. I didn't even realize until now that "flag" replaced "report". That is rather counter-intuitive.

                                  Mr Taster

                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler
                                    MplsM ary RE: Ruth Lafler Dec 14, 2012 01:56 PM

                                    Flagging is an action on many discussion boards, so I don't find that change weird.

                                    1. re: MplsM ary
                                      Mr Taster RE: MplsM ary Dec 14, 2012 02:06 PM

                                      This is the only discussion board I actively use.

                                      Mr Taster

                                2. DiningDiva RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 09:27 PM

                                  Are you all planning to deal with the issues on Android devices?

                                  - Overly large fonts (still)

                                  - Inability to adjust font size through normal methods...even after rebooting the device

                                  - Reply arrows that don't always appear

                                  - Fish-eye appearance

                                  Unless you guys did something today you didn't mention, CH is still sucky on Android devices

                                  10 Replies
                                  1. re: DiningDiva
                                    mudaba RE: DiningDiva Dec 14, 2012 09:42 AM

                                    Hi DiningDiva, As an Android user myself, I hear you and others on the Android issues. I have perfected the double tap workaround for the time being, but to answer your question, yes, it is absolutely our intention to address Android issues. The bad news is that we may not be able to fix those issues until early Jan, but the good news is that we have already set aside time to deal with them.

                                    Thanks for asking about it and trying to use the site mobile-ly.


                                    1. re: mudaba
                                      DiningDiva RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 11:04 AM

                                      Thank you for that information. I wish it could be fixed sooner than January, tho'

                                      1. re: mudaba
                                        Mr Taster RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 11:04 AM

                                        Hi Meredith,

                                        I too am an Android user (using an older LG Optimus) and have experienced what I consider to be some pretty glaring problems which makes the site unusable (not in a spoiled brat "you moved my cheese" way, but in an actual, practical "the reply button won't appear so I can't respond" kind of way.

                                        It seems like the site was primarily tested on iPhones. Is this the case?

                                        I am a bit confused by the roll-out. Was there a holiday deadline for this, for commercial/advertising reasons? Why not just perfect the thing for the two largest phone mobile operating systems and then roll it out? What was the rush?

                                        To my knowledge, none of the users were clamoring for a site redesign, and none of us would have known the difference if you rolled it out two months later in a fully functional form. It seems you guys could have avoided a whole lot of agita that way.

                                        Mr Taster

                                        1. re: mudaba
                                          i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 03:39 PM

                                          When i double tap to reduce the enormously large font on my android device,the font size reduces but then the total text area decreases to about a one inch wide column and the rest is blank space. Am i the only one having this issue?

                                        2. re: DiningDiva
                                          mudaba RE: DiningDiva Jan 9, 2013 03:22 PM

                                          Hello DiningDiva and other Android users,

                                          We believe that we released a fix to for the zooming Android issues today, so hopefully you are all able to browse the site without constantly readjusting the size. We are thrilled about this and hope enjoy it!

                                          Thanks, Meredith

                                          1. re: mudaba
                                            mariacarmen RE: mudaba Jan 9, 2013 04:44 PM

                                            ah, very nice! just checked it out - a huge improvement, thanks!

                                            1. re: mudaba
                                              Mr Taster RE: mudaba Jan 9, 2013 08:24 PM

                                              Thanks again!

                                              Meredith, I wonder if you might include some info as to how to get involved in beta testing for future iterations of the site.

                                              I've been Chowhounding around here for an awfully long time now, and I've noticed (as I'm sure you have) that every time the site is redesigned there's a whole lot of rabble from the masses (often I'm a part of the rabble!). There's always a few compliments and a whole lot more complains, which run the gamut from the relevant to the irrelevant, constructive to cantankerous.

                                              But either way, I've noticed that every time there are a couple of changes which are smack-on-the-forehead, common sense, glaringly obvious issues to frequent and longtime users that any number of real Chowhound users could have pointed out to you well before the rollout. (like the crazy jumbo-sized android font-- I must be missing something, but I truly don't understand how anyone would have thought that to be a good thing-- unless your target demo is skewing octogenarian.

                                              I, for one, would be happy to volunteer my voice (and my 38 year old eyes) to that discussion, as I'm sure would many people here.

                                              Thanks again for your work, and for keeping up apprised. We may not express it enough or adequately, but it does mean a lot to those of us who spend a lot of our time here.

                                              Mr Taster

                                              1. re: Mr Taster
                                                mudaba RE: Mr Taster Jan 10, 2013 10:17 AM

                                                Hi Mr Taster,

                                                Just wanted to link to our most recent announcement of user testing that happened last August, just so you know what you should look for in the future: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/863085

                                                The restrictions tend to be that we do the testing in-person here in San Francisco, though if there are opportunities for remote testing we'll also post about them in the same way, on a thread on Site Talk.

                                                Thanks for your interest,


                                                1. re: mudaba
                                                  Mr Taster RE: mudaba Jan 10, 2013 11:23 AM

                                                  It doesn't take much to convince me to visit your beautiful city, and testing Chowhound is as good an excuse as any to visit :)

                                                  Mr Taster

                                                  1. re: mudaba
                                                    mariacarmen RE: mudaba Jan 10, 2013 03:30 PM

                                                    whoooooaaaaa.... that means CHers here in San Francisco are to blame for all this?? I am sure they are laying low - they'd likely be stoned for their contribution to what so many have railed against! : )

                                                    ETA - damn, i think i even applied for this, and never heard back. bullet DODGED.

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                                              GH1618 RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 09:31 PM

                                              The "My Activity" display on the Profile page is still displaced to the right (and slightly up) on my iPad. Am I the only one who experiences this?

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                                                miss louella RE: mudaba Dec 13, 2012 10:33 PM

                                                It cracks me up that people are thanking the team for fixing what they broke. Actually it's a pretty brilliant marketing decision, if your goal isn't actually to improve the user experience.

                                                Meanwhile, I mentioned this in another post, but am wondering why you don't post the number of NEW posts in the area next to the (confusing to some) arrow that indicates there are new posts? It's totally irrelevant to know the total number of posts.

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                                                1. re: miss louella
                                                  hyperbowler RE: miss louella Dec 14, 2012 12:30 PM

                                                  Yeah, I don't understand the point of the arrow either--- isn't it redundant with the white shading of the thread?

                                                  Maybe it's more computationally intensive or ugly, but it makes more sense to have a fraction showing the number of new posts divided by the total number. That way, you see how popular a thread has become relative to the last time you were there.

                                                  As an aside, I don't know if its because I just switched to iOS6 on my iPhone or the new changes on chowhound, but the site seems to load a lot faster.

                                                2. Gio RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 07:19 AM

                                                  I still don't understand why I see the font of each post in "comic sans MS" and all the other lettering on banners, notices, etc. in "sans serif"... It's making my Chowhound experience comically cartoonish.

                                                  Oh, and on the Main Discussion Board the font (comic sans MS) is enboldened.

                                                  9 Replies
                                                  1. re: Gio
                                                    meshane RE: Gio Dec 14, 2012 07:30 AM

                                                    Gio. Sorry to hear you having this problem. Have you tried clearing your browser cache? If not, there is a very useful link about browser cache clearing in the site talk sticky about solving technical problems. Please try that, and if it doesn't work, please report back with your OS version, and browser version where you're seeing the problem, and a screen grab if possible.

                                                    1. re: meshane
                                                      Gio RE: meshane Dec 14, 2012 07:58 AM

                                                      Thanks Meshane. I Knew you were going ask for a screen shot...I haven't done one for a while.

                                                      My OS is Windows 7/Vista.
                                                      My browser version is Firefox 17.01.
                                                      I have cleared my cache.

                                                      1. re: Gio
                                                        meshane RE: Gio Dec 14, 2012 01:06 PM

                                                        Hi Gio,

                                                        It looks like you have installed some kind of custom skin or template to your browser giving it that "wooden" look. My guess is that it is also over-riding the fonts from webpages.

                                                        Click on the "Firefox" menu in the upper left-hand corner, and follow through to Options>Options. From there move to the "Content" tab, and from there click on the "Advanced" button in the "Fonts & Colors" section. My guess is that the checkbox "Allow pages to choose their own fonts" in there has become unchecked. Please make sure that box is checked and let me know if that works.

                                                        1. re: meshane
                                                          Gio RE: meshane Dec 14, 2012 01:30 PM

                                                          <" 'Allow pages to choose their own fonts' in there has become unchecked.">

                                                          Meshane, that box Was checked when I opened the tab...

                                                          1. re: Gio
                                                            Gio RE: Gio Dec 15, 2012 04:34 AM

                                                            Meshane, It appears that I'm the only one with the font anomaly and The Team have more pressing issues to consider, so don't spend time with my little problem. I'll deal with it myself and in the end will probably just let it ride. I simply thought it was worth mentioning hoping there was an easy fix.

                                                            1. re: Gio
                                                              meshane RE: Gio Dec 15, 2012 08:10 AM

                                                              Hi Gio,

                                                              Thank you for being very understanding. I still have some thoughts on this however, so no need to hold them back.

                                                              Let's try another thing. In that same location, "Firefox" menu > Options > Options > "Content" tab > "Advanced" button, in the "Fonts & Colors" section, what font is selected for Sans-serif? Is it Comic Sans MS? If so, Firefox is still over-riding the page font for some reason. Try switching it to a more standard sans-serif font like Arial or Helvetica.

                                                              Let me know if that works please. Best of luck.

                                                              1. re: meshane
                                                                Gio RE: meshane Dec 16, 2012 05:29 AM

                                                                You're welcome Meshane. I switched to Ariel and it's perfect. (Just as I was getting used to comic sans ms... LOL)

                                                                1. re: Gio
                                                                  meshane RE: Gio Dec 16, 2012 04:05 PM

                                                                  I'm glad to hear that worked for you Gio. There seems to be a bug in Firefox that once you specify font's, it's using the specified fonts no matter what you choose in "Allow pages to choose their own." I reproduced this problem on my own system. The only way to fix it that I know of is to uninstall and do a clean install of Firefox. If you're happy with Arial, then don't bother, but if you want to use fonts specified by the websites you visit, you probably need to do a clean install of Firefox.

                                                                  1. re: meshane
                                                                    Gio RE: meshane Dec 17, 2012 06:36 AM

                                                                    Many thanks for the tip Meshane.

                                                  2. goodhealthgourmet RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 09:09 AM

                                                    Not sure if I've said this in my other posts, but I'd really like to see you use up ALL the available real estate. Is it necessary to have such big borders/margins on either side of the page? I'd lose the textured skin (can you tell by now that I hate it?), expand the width of the discussion column, and push the ad/video column farther to the right. It would free up more space for threads *and* look cleaner & more fluid. It's just so choppy, and I dislike unnecessary wastefulness of any kind.

                                                    6 Replies
                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                      mcf RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 14, 2012 09:37 AM

                                                      I agree; as it is now on a desk top PC, this site looks like one of those early template jobs for building a rudimentary web site. It has a temporary appearance (if only!) and more blank, annoying, glary screen than content.

                                                      1. re: mcf
                                                        Chris VR RE: mcf Dec 14, 2012 10:21 AM

                                                        It's funny, I was feeling the same way too and then I compared the real estate given to the core content to Facebook and Yelp and Chowhound is actually a bit more when comparing to Facebook, and when comparing to some pages on Yelp (for example http://www.yelp.com/biz/cappas-tracks...)

                                                        Yelp gives more real estate to the content on their forum pages, which is what is comparable to Chowhound. For example, here http://www.yelp.com/topic/boston-hip-...

                                                        1. re: Chris VR
                                                          mcf RE: Chris VR Dec 14, 2012 02:31 PM

                                                          Yet the perception here is quite different. Perception is reality. :-)

                                                          1. re: mcf
                                                            Chris VR RE: mcf Dec 15, 2012 04:25 AM

                                                            Oh I know! There's obviously a reason we all feel this way but I don't know enough about graphic design to know why. And Melanie's point is even more interesting... it hasn't changed at all from the last design?! Perception is such a very weird thing.

                                                          2. re: Chris VR
                                                            Melanie Wong RE: Chris VR Dec 14, 2012 02:52 PM

                                                            I still had a tab open in the last format. Thread width is identical to current width.

                                                        2. re: goodhealthgourmet
                                                          magiesmom RE: goodhealthgourmet Dec 14, 2012 04:36 PM

                                                          yes to all of these. please.

                                                        3. j
                                                          josephnl RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 11:22 AM

                                                          Love your new look. Works great on my laptop and iPad, but not on iPhone. On iPhone, it is not possible to tell which threads have new posts...all are white!

                                                          4 Replies
                                                          1. re: josephnl
                                                            fershore RE: josephnl Dec 14, 2012 11:44 AM

                                                            On my laptop, I am not seeing which threads have new posts. Finding it to be really annoying. It may actually cause me to stop participating because I don't want to waste time clicking into threads to see which ones have new posts.

                                                            1. re: josephnl
                                                              hyperbowler RE: josephnl Dec 14, 2012 12:34 PM

                                                              Are you using Safari? On iOS 5 & 6, the contrast between old and new has been fine on my iPhone, even if I minimize or maximize the brightness. Or maybe you're wearing sunglasses :-)

                                                              1. re: josephnl
                                                                meshane RE: josephnl Dec 14, 2012 12:46 PM

                                                                josephni, I hate to ask this question, but are you certain that you are logged in on the iPhone?

                                                                1. re: meshane
                                                                  josephnl RE: meshane Dec 14, 2012 01:59 PM

                                                                  You're right. I wasn't signed in...indeed it was tricky to figure out how to sign in on the iPhone. Now that I am, it's working fine. I do especially like the larger font!

                                                              2. h
                                                                hyperbowler RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 12:47 PM

                                                                On safari on an iPhone, you have to wait for the entire My Categories page, ads and all, to load before you can click on anything. If you do a premature click, it lands above or below what you think you're clicking on. I'm finding it easier to use a bookmark in my browser than navigate in this fashion.

                                                                1. Withnail42 RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 12:59 PM

                                                                  Not sold on the new layout.

                                                                  1. kaleokahu RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 01:09 PM

                                                                    Hi, Meredith: "Font size on threads has been bumped from 13 to 14 and darkened."

                                                                    Now bump it down to 12 and tighten everything up so there are even more threads per page.

                                                                    The T, W, Th changes have reduced my dislike level of the redesign from 100% down to 50%.


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                                                                    1. re: kaleokahu
                                                                      Will Owen RE: kaleokahu Dec 14, 2012 02:24 PM

                                                                      AYYY-men to "bump down to 12." AND tighten. I feel a bit patronized by being given the Large Print Version here - look, I've got my reading glasses on, dammit!

                                                                      I have no idea what this looks like on anything but a 21" iMac monitor, nor do I ever propose to, so maybe I'm not the guy to be handing out advice here. All I can address is those things that comprise my own Chowhound experience, and what this looks like to me is that someone took the picnic off the table and scattered it loosely all over the parking lot. So now I have to go waaaaaay over there to see that thing and waaaay back here to see the other. How is that an improvement?

                                                                    2. h
                                                                      HillJ RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 01:20 PM

                                                                      There are several bugs associated with the Contrib option. Please run a test. Thanks.

                                                                      1. m
                                                                        magiesmom RE: mudaba Dec 14, 2012 04:38 PM

                                                                        I don't understans why in home cooking you have made it so hard to get to the COTM and dish of the month threads. It worked much better the old way, imho.

                                                                        1. beetlebug RE: mudaba Dec 15, 2012 10:16 AM

                                                                          I've refrained from commenting until now to see how things would shake out and I haven't read all the long threads on the subject. Forgive me I'm repeating others' comments.

                                                                          1. I'm still getting the page jumpiness while using this on my iPad. It's only marginally better then before the design change.

                                                                          2. I wish the "reply to original post" would come back. It's an extra unnecessary step to click to the top and then scroll down to the reply box.

                                                                          3. On that same note, I also miss clicking on the number of replies and having it jump past the original post.

                                                                          4. I'm not a fan of the home cooking board change to de-emphazing cotm and dotm. It makes it harder to find and again, a lot of unnecessary clicks to get to the post that I am looking for.

                                                                          5. The name change from boards to categories is kind of pointless in my view. It's more a matter of principle then anything. It's the same attachment I have to typing chowhound.com v. the new address. It goes back to the history of chowhound and helps to preserve the memory. This is an easy bone to throw users.

                                                                          6. More threads per page would be helpful. I know it's been increased but is there any reason why it's still so limited. On active boards, threads get bumped to the next page very quickly. And if you can't tell yet, I'm not a fan of extra clicks.

                                                                          7. Lastly, I am still getting used to the new color scheme for unread v. read threads. For some reason though, my instinct is to click on the grey thread as unread even though I see and arrow on the white threads. The red new sign is much easier to discern the new threads v. the old ones.

                                                                          Those are some of my random thoughts.

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                                                                          1. re: beetlebug
                                                                            GH1618 RE: beetlebug Dec 15, 2012 10:48 AM

                                                                            The jumpiness is annoying, all right. I wish they would fix that. It's caused by the variable-size advertising space at the top which is painted late in the process. It seems to me that all they would need to do to fix it is paint the header fields, including the ad space, before painting the list of threads. But I'm no expert in web page implementation. Perhaps it is more complicated than that.

                                                                            Other than that, and the mispositioned profile page, I find the new design just about perfect. The white vs. grey to distinguish threads with new material is ideal, in my opinion. The highlighted thread is obviously the one with new material. This method of distinguishing parts of a display of most interest wasn't invented here — it's very old.

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                                                                            nonaggie RE: mudaba Dec 15, 2012 04:23 PM

                                                                            I think this has been mentioned by some others, but would it be possible to show links to more pages at the bottom of a category page? For example, right now at the bottom of the Home Cooking page, there are links to pages 2, 2653, and 2654; it would be great to have links to pages 2, 3, 4 like the old design, so that it's easier to jump a few days back.

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                                                                            1. re: nonaggie
                                                                              GH1618 RE: nonaggie Dec 15, 2012 05:12 PM

                                                                              Here's a trick. Once you select page 2, the url line displayed by your browser ends with "page=2". You can edit that line to replace the "2" with any number you like. If you don't want to go to page 2 first, just add "?page=10" (or whatever).

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                                                                              tokyopix RE: mudaba Dec 16, 2012 06:18 AM

                                                                              When I look at the site now I don't see the "New" indication I used to. I haven't used the site at all since the redesign b/c I don't get it now. I must be the only one b/c I don't see this question. Can you tell me how I know if there has been a new reply since last I looked at a thread? Thanks

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                                                                              1. re: tokyopix
                                                                                josephnl RE: tokyopix Dec 16, 2012 08:33 AM

                                                                                Be sure that you are signed in!! I made that mistake. When signed in strings, with new posts will appear white, whereas others will appear grey.

                                                                                1. re: josephnl
                                                                                  goodhealthgourmet RE: josephnl Dec 16, 2012 09:03 AM

                                                                                  I did that the other day - forgot I had updated my software and couldn't figure out why the new posts weren't showing up and nothing was updating. I finally realized that I had been logged out when I restarted my laptop. Oops :)

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                                                                                    tokyopix RE: josephnl Dec 17, 2012 06:34 AM

                                                                                    I am logged in. So are you saying the new change is that a thread with new posts appears in white instead of having the little new tag on it? I am seeing some white and some grey.

                                                                                    1. re: tokyopix
                                                                                      goodhealthgourmet RE: tokyopix Dec 17, 2012 08:39 AM

                                                                                      Exactly. Threads with new posts appear white; if you've read all the posts in a thread, it's grayed out.

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                                                                                  josephnl RE: mudaba Dec 16, 2012 03:30 PM

                                                                                  Why do some posters have red diamonds next to their names?

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                                                                                  1. re: josephnl
                                                                                    carolinadawg RE: josephnl Dec 16, 2012 03:45 PM

                                                                                    It indicates that they are either paid employees of Chowhound, or volunteer moderators, although my understanding is that volunteers are not required to use the diamond.

                                                                                    1. re: josephnl
                                                                                      The Chowhound Team RE: josephnl Dec 16, 2012 05:36 PM

                                                                                      The red diamond next to a user name indicates that the poster is Chow staff, except in the case of The Chowhound Team, where it indicates an official note from the moderation team.

                                                                                      Volunteer moderators do not have the red diamond on their individual user names, and do not have the option to do so. Site policy disallows their commenting on moderation issues under their own accounts.

                                                                                    2. foodieX2 RE: mudaba Dec 17, 2012 09:50 AM

                                                                                      I still cannot find if this has been answered anywhere. I have asked this question on numerous redesign posts with no response, that I can find. Please help!

                                                                                      Is there a way to reply to the OP from the bottom of a thread? If the answer is no is there a plan to correct that and what is the ETA?

                                                                                      I am finding it increasingly frustrating to have to page to the top of long posts to reply to the OP, especially on the continuous threads ala “what’s for dinner”.

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                                                                                      1. re: foodieX2
                                                                                        LindaWhit RE: foodieX2 Dec 17, 2012 09:52 AM

                                                                                        1. No, there is no way to reply to the OP from the bottom of a thread.

                                                                                        2. Haven't seen anything from the Team or any Red Diamond folk saying they're going to reinstate it.

                                                                                        Which, as you stated, is rather frustrating. And rather stupid to have removed it in the first place, IMO.

                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                          foodieX2 RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2012 09:57 AM

                                                                                          OK, at least I am not going crazy, LOL!

                                                                                          So what dos one need to do around here to get a question answered?? I have asked this on at least 3 or 4 other threads and poof! its as if it wasnt even there. Questions asked around it are answered.

                                                                                          Maybe I am invisible?? :)

                                                                                        2. re: foodieX2
                                                                                          foodieX2 RE: foodieX2 Dec 17, 2012 10:34 AM

                                                                                          Hellooooo? Chowhound! Is anyone there?

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                                                                                            GH1618 RE: foodieX2 Dec 17, 2012 10:45 AM

                                                                                            The Chowhound Team does not seem to spend much time engaging in conversations with contributors, as they shouldn't. I'm guessing they do not feel the need to respond to a question which has been raised before.

                                                                                            1. re: GH1618
                                                                                              magic RE: GH1618 Dec 17, 2012 10:49 AM

                                                                                              This is the "Site Talk" category. If constant questions are left unanswered this is absoultely the fourm for mods to address them.

                                                                                              1. re: GH1618
                                                                                                foodieX2 RE: GH1618 Dec 17, 2012 10:56 AM

                                                                                                That would make sense if it has been asked and answered.

                                                                                                But it has not been answered. Even with a simple "we don't have an answer"

                                                                                                The title of this board, I mean category, is Site Talk. The description reads "For site-related conversations, including technical issues".

                                                                                                1. re: foodieX2
                                                                                                  mariacarmen RE: foodieX2 Dec 17, 2012 04:27 PM

                                                                                                  you are absolutely right. if questions were answered they wouldn't be repeated so often.

                                                                                                  1. re: mariacarmen
                                                                                                    GH1618 RE: mariacarmen Dec 17, 2012 04:32 PM

                                                                                                    It was answered with an explanation of how to get to the top. The answer has been repeated here.

                                                                                                    1. re: GH1618
                                                                                                      LindaWhit RE: GH1618 Dec 17, 2012 04:50 PM

                                                                                                      Whereas I view it as they've not directly answered the question, but have given their new alternative method to the actual question asked, which was "Is there a way to reply to the OP from the bottom of a thread?"

                                                                                                      Now, the only alternative is to click the "Return to Top" link and THEN click Reply under the original post, whereas before you could just reply to the OP. While it's not taxing, they've taken a simple process and chose to add another step to it. It seems rather silly to add an additional step rather than K.I.S.S.

                                                                                                      But I guess that's job security for whichever programmer added that to the board's software.

                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit
                                                                                                        Melanie Wong RE: LindaWhit Dec 17, 2012 05:17 PM

                                                                                                        I'm remembering complaints from some posters who couldn't figure out the difference between replying to the original post and replying to one of the replies in a thread and would end up in a different place than expected. I imagine that this change is an attempt to respond to that issue.

                                                                                            2. re: foodieX2
                                                                                              mudaba RE: foodieX2 Dec 17, 2012 10:55 AM

                                                                                              Hello everyone,

                                                                                              As we have said elsewhere, the design changes are just the first round of changes that are coming to Chowhound. We are working on deeper functionality offerings for discussions, including sorting options, which affect the way a reply button at the bottom would work.

                                                                                              To answer your question, there is currently no way to respond to the OP on the bottom of a discussion. The easiest method is to press the "To the Top" button and reply at the top.


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                                                                                                foodieX2 RE: mudaba Dec 17, 2012 10:58 AM

                                                                                                thank you

                                                                                                1. re: mudaba
                                                                                                  josephnl RE: mudaba Dec 17, 2012 12:22 PM

                                                                                                  The "To the Top" button seems perfectly adequate for a direct reply to the op. I think simpler is better and see no reason for an additional "Reply to op" button.

                                                                                                  I would like to see the Edit button remain longer. Sometimes I see a post I've made the day before, and wish I could change something!

                                                                                                  1. re: josephnl
                                                                                                    Gio RE: josephnl Dec 17, 2012 01:04 PM

                                                                                                    Some of my typos and gobbeldy-gook remain after 6 years to haunt me still...

                                                                                                    1. re: josephnl
                                                                                                      The Chowhound Team RE: josephnl Dec 17, 2012 01:15 PM

                                                                                                      If there's something you really want to change after the fact, you can use 'flag' and ask us to fix it. If there's more than one change, send us a clean copy of your post in email (sent to moderators@chowhound.com ) rather than using 'flag'.

                                                                                                      1. re: The Chowhound Team
                                                                                                        josephnl RE: The Chowhound Team Dec 17, 2012 09:05 PM

                                                                                                        But, why not keep the Edit button available for a longer period...at least a day or two...or some might argue perhaps forever?

                                                                                                        1. re: josephnl
                                                                                                          The Chowhound Team RE: josephnl Dec 18, 2012 05:12 AM

                                                                                                          As Jacquilynne explained in this post http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/7784...

                                                                                                          The reason we don't allow editing of posts outside a short window is because Chowhound is a conversation, and changing a post can change the replies in unintended ways.

                                                                                                          Imagine a scenario in which someone says "I love Restaurant X! It's fantastic!" and someone else replies "I totally agree!" But then the first person has a bad experience and goes back and edits their post to read "I used to love Restaurant X, but I think it's gone downhill." The reply still reads "I totally agree!" but now that second person is agreeing to something they may not actually agree with -- or may have never even seen.

                                                                                                          If you've got additional information or a changed opinion, it's best to reply and update it that way everyone can see that the information has changed and nothing gets confused.

                                                                                                          1. re: josephnl
                                                                                                            lcool RE: josephnl Dec 18, 2012 05:54 AM

                                                                                                            I for one have a problem with forever regarding "edit".If there really is an honest mistake the CH team can make corrections if asked.I live with the fact I don't type well and English isn't my only primary language,onus on me to read,edit,correct etc as I go or in the window of edit fix.

                                                                                                            If there really is a change,a reply in the appropriate spot with a correction or ? is always an option.

                                                                                                  2. Gio RE: mudaba Dec 17, 2012 01:23 PM

                                                                                                    One thing I *do* like about this redesign is that now we can click on the name of the last person to post so we don't have to scroll through the whole dang thread.

                                                                                                    (If we had the ability to that with the old design I obviously missed it.)

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                                                                                                    1. re: Gio
                                                                                                      Melanie Wong RE: Gio Dec 17, 2012 01:38 PM

                                                                                                      Here's the discussion about "last reply". FWIW, the previous functionality to scroll to the first new reply was more useful and I'm glad that TPTB are considering bringing it back.

                                                                                                      And note that after 2 days, the name of the last person to post is no longer displayed on the board index. So you have to click on the date to go to the last reply.

                                                                                                      1. re: Melanie Wong
                                                                                                        Gio RE: Melanie Wong Dec 18, 2012 06:53 AM

                                                                                                        Yes, having the ability to go to the first new reply would be better than the function I mentioned. Let's hope TPTB do bring it back.

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                                                                                                      teampennock RE: mudaba Dec 17, 2012 02:01 PM

                                                                                                      I'm sorry if this question has been asked already. I was curious if there is any plan to add a map type feature that would let you find restaurants by area or zip code and see reviews from users. I did a search and found a few old posts eluding that this used to be a feature but has since been removed. I think searching by keyword and sifting through discussions is a little more complicated than many other review sites currently on the market. Just a question, I'm sure many other users have good reasons why this feature shouldn't be implemented. I love all the content on this great site!

                                                                                                      1. John E. RE: mudaba Dec 17, 2012 08:45 PM

                                                                                                        I wish the mobil edition of this site would have the name of the person being replied to in the upper right corner of the post just as it is in the full site. I realize the mobil version needs to be streamlined, but it is sometimes difficult to figure out to whom the response is intended. Then it is necessary to scroll up and attempt to guess the person/poster to whom the response is intended. If the name were in the upper right corner, it would simplify things.

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                                                                                                        1. re: John E.
                                                                                                          meshane RE: John E. Dec 17, 2012 08:56 PM

                                                                                                          Hi John,

                                                                                                          If you click on a post in the mobile version, the name appears in the upper right corner, and then you can click that name to be taken to the post being responded to.

                                                                                                          - Shane

                                                                                                          1. re: meshane
                                                                                                            John E. RE: meshane Dec 17, 2012 09:24 PM


                                                                                                        2. mariacarmen RE: mudaba Dec 18, 2012 10:33 AM

                                                                                                          So here's a question that has been asked several times by many, and I for one have not seen a response. is there any plan on getting rid of the white/gray? has there been a response as to why you would not get rid of it, change it? it is still very difficult, on looking at my recent discussions, to differentiate between threads that have a new reply on them and to those that do not. you have to specifically focus on the arrow, as opposed to just glancing at a color. the difference between gray and white is very slight, and still hard on the eye.

                                                                                                          so I'm asking, again.... any response? and please forgive (and link me to) if i have missed a specific response to this specific request - are you getting rid of the white/gray and replacing it with something more readable? thanks very much.

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                                                                                                          1. re: mariacarmen
                                                                                                            josephnl RE: mariacarmen Dec 18, 2012 10:38 AM

                                                                                                            I think the white/gray is fine!

                                                                                                            1. re: josephnl
                                                                                                              GH1618 RE: josephnl Dec 18, 2012 12:07 PM

                                                                                                              I also think it's fine the way it is now.

                                                                                                            2. re: mariacarmen
                                                                                                              mudaba RE: mariacarmen Dec 18, 2012 11:10 AM

                                                                                                              Hello mariacarmen,

                                                                                                              There will be changes to the background happening soon.


                                                                                                              1. re: mudaba
                                                                                                                mariacarmen RE: mudaba Dec 18, 2012 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                thanks very much for the response, and the news!

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