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sillewater Dec 11, 2012 09:30 PM

There already was a "best nigiri" thread (http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/854497), however reading the thread the focus was not on nigiri.

My favorite thing to eat is nigiri so I want to know where the best is. Maybe you guys have heard of the MRI of sushi study (http://boingboing.net/2009/07/17/mri-...). Veteran sushi is different, and in a subjective level I know it would be really different. Much of sushi is a matter of texture, the Japanese talk of kuchi atari (mouthfeel), shitazawari (tonguefeel) and hagotae (tooth feel/resistance). So much of sushi in Vancouver has degenerated/evolved into mayo covered, cheese stuffed, mango-laden rolls.

So if you could help me out and focus on nigiri where can I find the best. Thanks.

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    quddous Dec 28, 2012 02:59 PM

    There is only one place where I have experienced Japan quality nigiri in the Vancouver area and that is Sushi Hachi. If you go make sure you get counter seating. I have had two or three meals here which were magical. One was quite bad because the rice was undercooked.

    Tojo - I had nigiri here and it was cut the way sushi is cut at AYCE joints (actually tasted about the same too). I really would never recommend this place.

    Ajisai is typically quite good but I was disappointed by the toro this past time I went. The Madai we had was simply wonderful - everything else was good but not amazing.

    Shiro - I remember the fish being really good here. I was actually quite amazed by the quality. I haven't been back in a long time so it is hard to remember if it was really that good.

    If you really want good nigiri though - go to Tokyo. We had three sushi meals there (all high end) and all heads (and tails) above what you would get here.

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      grayelf Dec 28, 2012 04:27 PM

      Agree about Sushi Hachi (the one in Richmond on Odlum) -- when they are on, they are on. First place I ever tried three-line grunt, yum. Haven't been for a while as it is difficult to tee up resos with their short opening times.

      Also have noticed that Ajisai's madai is really outstanding. Wonder why that particular fish is so good? I also love that they have mountain yam, an obsession of mine that is not available at many sushi places here (I've only had it at Ajisai, Tokyo Thyme and Miko). Also their natto is always excellent, if you like natto -- try a roll with natto, yamaimo and chopped maguro for a real taste thrill :-). OOPS, just realized this thread is about nigiri, sorry for the digression.

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        quddous Dec 29, 2012 01:30 PM

        The yamaimo with uni is an obsession of my wifes. That may be one of the reasons we frequent Ajisai so often.

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          grayelf Dec 29, 2012 04:01 PM

          ooooo, never had it with uni before. intriguing...

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            sillewater Dec 30, 2012 09:42 PM

            totally missed it last time. Will have to go again.

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          brokentelephone Jan 6, 2013 02:00 AM

          It's interesting that sushi is so prolific in Vancouver, but good sushi is as rare as almost anywhere -- I've had absolutely fantastic sushi in London, though there are relatively very few sushi places here.

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            sillewater Jan 13, 2013 01:55 PM

            I find it odd but I just chalk it up to the food culture here, it's like that with a lot of things. maybe not enough people?

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          sillewater Dec 13, 2012 09:58 PM

          Has anyone eaten at Temaki?

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            queueueuq Dec 13, 2012 10:40 PM

            I've been a couple of times (but not in over a year). It's just average -- certainly not a destination spot for nigiri.

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              sillewater Dec 14, 2012 01:41 PM

              Thanks, that's good to know.

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              brokentelephone Dec 15, 2012 10:20 AM

              Temaki on Broadway? If so, its not in the same class whatsoever as any other ones listed here.

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                grayelf Dec 15, 2012 05:36 PM

                Have to agree. While the resto itself is quite nice inside, it's pretty much lunch-grade sushi.

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              sillewater Dec 13, 2012 12:02 PM

              @peter.v thanks for the suggestions. I didn't mean to say that nigiri sushi is getting mayo slabbed on but rolls are nowadays.

              So current contenders are:
              Ajisai
              Dan
              Toshi
              Shiro
              Miko

              Blue Water Cafe
              Guu in Richmond

              Lesser Known
              Hanako-A
              .....Anymore?

              From previous thread
              Miku (different from Miko)
              Sushi Hachi

              My Favorites
              Hamaei
              Octopus Garden
              Hachibei

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                fmed Dec 13, 2012 03:40 PM

                Note that Shiro is closing or changing ownership soon. (Retirement).

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                  sillewater Dec 13, 2012 09:59 PM

                  Thanks for the heads up.

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                    gelfball Dec 18, 2012 08:02 AM

                    could you provide any more details? i'm a vancouverite living abroad and i don't get home til the 22nd... will i get a last meal with Shiro-san? i grew up with that man! i can't believe this, but he deserves a retirement...

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                      sillewater Dec 18, 2012 01:00 PM

                      http://smokysweet.com/pondering/jiro-...

                      thinking of going soon so I'll let you know.

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                        fmed Dec 18, 2012 04:18 PM

                        I had to look back through my retweets to confirm. They (he and his wife) retired in late August or early Sept. I haven't been to Shiro is a million years (it used to be in my regular rotation waaay back when it was one of only a handful of sushi joints in town).

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                          sillewater Dec 18, 2012 08:22 PM

                          So currently Shiro is in Shiro?

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                            fmed Dec 18, 2012 09:49 PM

                            Shiro Okano has retired.

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                              sillewater Dec 19, 2012 09:19 PM

                              darn, ok thanks.

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                            LotusRapper Dec 30, 2012 10:36 PM

                            One of my neighbours owns/runs a sushi resto on the west side. They are friends with Shiro Okano's wife. They told me last week Shiro the resto changed ownership back in the Fall.

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                      superpat Dec 12, 2012 11:11 PM

                      Hanako-A real hidden gem in Surrey. The best Nigiri Sushi I had in greater Vancouver area. The chef/owner is in fact a Korean but learn all his skills in Japan.

                      Order whatever on their hand writing special manu. Quite expensive (you won't expect to pay that kind of bill in such a humble decorated restaurant), but, man... it's well worth it, even now you have to pay the toll over Port-Mann.

                      Other than Nikiri, don't miss their Crab salad or smoked Tuna salad.

                      1. moyenchow Dec 12, 2012 11:13 AM

                        This suggestion is not traditional (going to sound weird) and it's more expensive but an over looked place to get really good tradition nigiri is Blue Water Cafe.

                        The nigiri was great when Yoshi Tabo was at the helm and his successor kept the same quality. It is pricey.

                        Another odd place is Guu in Richmond.
                        I remember I was impressed because I had been to Blue Water a few nights before and the quality I got at the Richmond Guu held its own. Not as good but wasn't a huge drop in quality either. A word of caution it's been at least 18 months since I've been to the Guu in Richmond.

                        1. peter.v Dec 12, 2012 01:55 AM

                          I think the reason why you feel the thread was derailed was because there really isn't a place that might attain that "veteran" level you describe here in Vancouver. Ajisai and Dan are probably my top choices (while lamenting the late Sushi Kimura), followed by Toshi, Shiro, Miko and the various other spots mentioned on the first thread you mention. Based on reviews of people I trust, I imagine Sushi Hachi in Richmond would be up there with Dan and Ajisai.

                          However, I would say that the whole mayo thing is a little over emphasized. Yes, there is a lot out there, but it's not as prevalent as it's made out to be. I've never ever seen nigiri made with mayo. If you have seen it done, I am terribly sorry, but even the sketchier places know what nigiri is.

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                            fmed Dec 12, 2012 08:37 AM

                            Echoing what peter.v said.

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