HOME > Chowhound > Site Talk >

Discussion

New Chowhound Design is Now Live!

LOCKED DISCUSSION

We’re pleased to announce a new design for Chowhound board and thread pages, the first of a series of changes that will be released in the upcoming months. To learn more about the design and functionality, take a look at this video: http://www.chow.com/food-news/131157

Here’s a bit of background about why we are redesigning the look of the site:

This is the biggest change to the look of the site since Chowhound (re)launched in 2006! It is absolutely a necessity for us to evolve and modernize the look of Chowhound to compete in today’s food-obsessed web environment. To keep the site going strong, change is needed.

The design that you are seeing is the product of 6 months of work and planning. We’ve conducted user testing with both casual and long-term users and have come up with a design that we believe works for mobile as well as desktop users. We’re proud of what we’ve accomplished.

In the past year, we have seen dramatic increases in our mobile traffic. Our new design addresses the needs of these users, while maintaining the functionality that desktop users rely upon. The design you are currently seeing is a living thing. We will be changing the site repeatedly in the months ahead based on how people are using the site.

We’ve tested the site extensively before this release, but there may be things that we missed. If you notice bugs, please report them on Site Talk. The best strategy is to start a new discussion about the particular bug, which will ensure that our Engineering team sees it and addresses the problem. For more information on how to report bugs and technical problems, see: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/877664

If you have feedback about the new design, it’s helpful to be as specific as possible and bear in mind that we are working to address the needs of many different types of users. Thank you for your commitment to the site, and for taking part in the ongoing process of improving it,

Dave MP on behalf of the CHOW Product Team

    1. re: pikawicca

      I admire your starting gun, pikawicca.

      1. re: HillJ

        Well, I stuck my neck out, and I believe it got cut off. Ouch!

        1. re: pikawicca

          When the dust settles around here the only thing anyone will remember is what was fixed on request and what stayed re the latest redesign. You enjoy CH long enough you see the passionate replies to every change; big and small. The staff has pretty big shoulders and changes have already been made as reported by Meredith, Dave and Jacq. I can't think of another website that asks and takes feedback nearly as well, listens to members vent, point figures and make assumption and at the end of the day admits mistake and demonstrates corrections.

          Sticking your neck out with a positive reply still stands out in a "room" full of well intended discontent. Don't ever stop!

          1. re: HillJ

            Hey, HillJ: "...and at the end of the day admits mistake..."

            I missed that part. That would be a first. Please link me up?

            This change was the proverbial fart in church, and as with many things here, it takes a mutiny to get a nod toward correction, and even then there's never an admission of error. Stiff upper lip and all of that--they're meat and we're offal.

            Aloha,
            Kaleo

            1. re: kaleokahu

              Hey, Kaleo. If you believe less than 500 comments (forgive me I didn't count how many people that actually amounts to) in a community of 2 million is mutiny, we're riding two different ships. Given the relatively small # of participants in this thread sharing feedback, yes! I believe the reply from the staff has been swift and encouraging. Has it been 24 hours yet since the redesign launch?

              1. re: HillJ

                Hi, HillJ:

                I would call 500+, 95% strongly negative posts on Site Talk in two days a mutiny, absolutely yes. Nothing has ever lit up this board like this, and in virtual unanimity. If the topic were allowed across all Boards (oops, Categories), there'd be fleets of mutineers.

                Re: the "reply from the staff"... Where's the "admission of error" you refer to?

                If CBS wanted to waste its money and 6 months of staff/consultants' playtime changing the site for the worse and driving away the core of CH contributors, that's its business. I don't think that was the intent, but if it was, it's wildly successful.

                Aloha,
                Kaleo

                1. re: kaleokahu

                  500 plus comments is not 500 plus people. Mutiny is a strong colorful word but I'm not buying it. The folks working behind the scenes are addressing the feedback provided.

                  Beyond that I'm not fond of unnecessary roughness to make a point.

                  As of this morning I'm enjoying the change in color for previously read comments against new comments making it easier to read threads. The edit button works.

                  CH is on the move!
                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/881622
                  Meredith is addressing changes made due to member feedback here.

                  1. re: HillJ

                    Hi, HillJ:

                    Well, as past issues have proven, a little roughness has been not only necessary, but also a sufficient cause to get staff to change course. We see that at work in this very thread.

                    Consider how few people actually come to Site Talk--as one poster said, in paraphrase: "It has to be really bad for me to come to Site Talk." Compared with the pleasure of hanging on the substantive Boards, Site Talk is like a visit to the dentist. Yet many, many have come here for the CH equivalent of a root canal--to express their strong displeasure at what really is a step backward.

                    "500 plus comments is not 500 plus people." It will be by later today, I think. And my experience tells me the posters-to-posts ratio on this thread is quite high.

                    Like Diogenes, I'll go looking for that admission of error myself...

                    Aloha,
                    Kaleo

                    1. re: kaleokahu

                      Like Diogenes, I'll go looking for that admission of error myself...

                      Please do. Admissions are there with some willingness to read them as intended. But come on now, encouraging mutiny, retrieving the gangplank from the back of the ship..that's on you K. So unnecessary.

                      1. re: HillJ

                        Hi, HillJ:

                        Been looking, but can't find anything like: "Hmm, maybe not that great an idea." Or like: "We coulda done better, sorry" or "We shoulda tested it more with real users." Or even like: "We're changing the orientation of the site to favor mobile and tablet devices, and social media, so we apologize to those desktop Hounds who are inconvenienced." Etc., etc.

                        If, by "admission of error" you meant simply changing some of the changes, then we are indeed using different languages.

                        My use of 'mutiny' was obviously metaphorical, but IMO, apt. And I'm not encouraging it, merely observing and commenting on it. If it sounds less rough, let's pick a different metaphor: an advisory referendum. If this thread's posts are tallied as votes in favor or agin the New Look, would the measure pass? Do you consider it a squeaker or a landslide?

                        Aloha,
                        Kaleo

                        1. re: kaleokahu

                          K, Thank you for using your talents and continuing to offer great suggestions that benefit the whole CH community.

                        2. re: HillJ

                          Hi, Justpaula:

                          LOL, that's ironic, isn't it? With the pages down to 5 threads per page (and now, for example 588 pages in Cookware alone), you are going to see threads being almost instantly buried.

                          It raises fascinatingly existential questions: If a mutiny takes place on a sinking ship, did it ever happen? If our attention spans are defined by the tiny, scrolly 4G screens and viral YouTubes, does it matter?

                          Aloha,
                          Kaleo

                          1. re: kaleokahu

                            When I bring up "Cookware" I see 20 threads.

                            1. re: GH1618

                              Hi, GH 1618:

                              On my display, I see only 5 at a time. There are more if you scroll, but as scrolls go, there are still only 5 viewable at any one time. I found being able to scan multiple threads (around 20 at a time) without scrolling very useful. Now I must scroll and repage by virtue of the extremely weird font size and wasted space.

                              Aloha,
                              Kaleo

                              1. re: GH1618

                                Hi, HillJ:

                                Aw, you're too kind. Thanks.

                                Aloha,
                                Kaleo

                      2. re: kaleokahu

                        What is "virtual unanimity"? It's not unanimous. Besides, it's normal for comments to be biased in favor of complaints.

                        In a "mutiny" the leaders of the mutiny take control of the ship away from the Captain. How are you going to do that?

                        1. re: GH1618

                          Your dark font reads so clearly in this recent change of color, GH. Progress is being made.

                          1. re: GH1618

                            You're taking that a bit too literally methinks. I think by "mutiny" that poster meant a general spirit of discontent and anger - which there has certainly been.

                            I'm pretty sure it's not a call to overthrow Chowhound, whatever the heck that means.

                            1. re: magic

                              Whatever the heck that means is right. The red buttons are all working well today.

                              1. re: magic

                                It's a metaphor chosen to suggest that the dissent is more widespread than it actually is. Despite the length of ths thread, and the strength of the criticism expressed here, there are many new threads on the usual Chowhound topics, and many new contributions to such threads. Chowhound sails on, so the "mutiny" metaphor is overstated.

                                1. re: GH1618

                                  Agreed. If I had visited CH today to find no new discussions, I could buy the mutiny theory. But, the truth is on boards other than Site Talk people seem to be moving along and talking about food - business as usual. Maybe we don't all love all facets of the re-design but we are still coming back to do what we do here. Even this board will settle down in due time.

                                  1. re: Justpaula

                                    surely the non-discussion on food boards has *everything* to do w/ the zealous moderators who censor anything they find off-topic. not sure what your home board is, mine's New Orleans and they are swift and merciless.

                                    500+ posts, overwhelmingly in agreement on the horriblness of this design is major.

                                    heres whats most insane:

                                    - font on board-listing is jumbo
                                    - font in this text-entry box is micro

                                    ...im on safari in windows. it's unusable and ive decided to quit reading the rest of week in the hops that they fix it because i dont want to fight my browser to enjoy and contribute to the content.

                                    1. re: kibbles

                                      safari in windows.....you should be as OK as me,it's us on one device and the first to be ???fine.

                                      With a couple of poster exceptions they are just as merciless in DC.

                            2. re: kaleokahu

                              I agree, there was no apology, there was a statement, of the design stays as it is. And so far all the "improvements" have been BUG fixes.
                              In terms of UI, there is factional improvement of contrast. But on my 12in. wide screen, the discussion thread only uses, 5.5 in. That over 50% of blank, glaring space! And within that less that 50% of space is an 8 pt. typeface. These are measurements taken at 100%, so no zoom is involved. This is the design that they are staying with, love it or leave.
                              There has not been in the past 6 years of design changes, any accommodation to UI complaints. Only bug fixes of the new design. The same will happen here.
                              If we look bck at the last major change in Aug 2010
                              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/726572
                              Again a large amount of outrage, and in all, at the end only bug fixes were done.

                              And I really think that the hidden mods should be forced to use their mod diamonds in any and all Site Talk posts.

                              1. re: Quine

                                I trust this isn't a surprise . . . since the corporate media types have higher priorities than user satisfaction.

                                1. re: zin1953

                                  Yep no surprise. After, over 6 years, of Chowhound.com being one of my opening tabs, on each of my computers, I now turn the page. I may keep it bookmarked, but Why?

                                2. re: Quine

                                  The narrow discussion thread suits a tablet perfectly. I use mine in portrait mode, zoom the display (easy on a touch screen) so the width of the discussion column fits the screen and the advertising space disappears on the right. Since I want to zoom anyway to make the text easier for my old eyes to read, it all works out.

                                  1. re: GH1618

                                    Does NOT work well on my tablet using the Android platform.

                                    * Fonts are still E N O R M O U S
                                    * Some threads resist attempts to decrease size through normal tablet methods, i.e. tapping or pinching the screen
                                    * Massive amounts of scrolling
                                    * Minimal content
                                    * Not easy, seamless or intuititive to move between pages or boards

                                    It's worse on an Android smartphone. Looking at a page is like looking out a fish-eye peep hole

                      1. re: Gio

                        Me too. For me to come on Site Talk, you know it has to be bad.

                        1. re: Joanie

                          I hate it too. In fact, it is so bad that unless it soon changes, I will no longer visit this site -- and it has been one of my favorite sites for years. Reading this version gives me a head ache.

                          1. re: susanl143

                            Horrible. Again we have a case of "fixing" something that wasn't broken. And notice how the previous discussion disappeared and when found, is locked. I'm tempted to bid "Ciao" to Chow.

                            1. re: MacGuffin

                              Despise it. It's made reading threads difficult, and the text boxes are so oversized with ridiculously small font.

                              I sure hope Chow didn't pay to have someone design this abomination.

                            2. re: susanl143

                              gives me a headache too, I've notice that I can only handle 2 or 3 threads before I have to leave the site. Big thumbs down.

                              1. re: fickle

                                I turned down the brightness of my screen (although that should not be necessary).

                      2. is there any way to make each thread/topic smaller so i can see more on one page? there's less topics showing per page than the older format, partly due to font but also the height of the box around each topic. i tried to see if there were preferences that i could set to condense but did not find anything

                        44 Replies
                        1. re: auberginegal

                          agreed. the former "latest discussions" page now shows a meager 20 threads.... wah.

                            1. re: auberginegal

                              I think just making the whole box wider (use more screen real estate on a widescreen) would help a lot in seeing more of each thread when reading long posts.

                                1. re: westaust

                                  Wasted real-estate.

                                  The text column is too narrow, which means
                                  *** the size of the type is too small, too difficult to read
                                  ***too few threads can be displayed on the page

                                  Look at the proportion problems from these screen shots.
                                  This is the actual view -- nothing has been cropped.

                                  Look at all the wasted space on either side of the thread column.

                                  That's not design that is thought-out or at all user-friendly.
                                  As is, it drives LESS TRAFFIC to the site.

                                  It makes the site more difficult to read, and more difficult to navigate. I'm quite surprised the designers don't test drive these designs before "regular folk" before implementing them.

                                   
                                   
                                  1. re: maria lorraine

                                    The opening post claims, "We’ve conducted user testing with both casual and long-term users ..."

                                    It's hard to believe that even the most casual testing would not have identified the problems with fonts, contrast, and white space.

                                    Actually, it's hard to believe that the designers even checked their own work.

                                    1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                      I agree, Robert! Basic testing would have revealed the glaring errors in this UI.

                                2. re: auberginegal

                                  Agreed. While I think they did it this way to make it easier for mobile users to read the site, it really makes it hard for us normal computer users to read.... way too much dead space!

                                  1. re: juliejulez

                                    One thing that might help is to make the font size of the thread titles smaller. It is currently 13.5 which is pretty large.... even taking it down to size 10 would make it much easier to read and would maybe allow for more threads to be shown on each page.

                                    1. re: juliejulez

                                      I am on the site on my phone right now and it is just as bad with mobile. The text is huge. It's like the think everyone still uses a Motorola Razr or something from 2005.

                                      Make the text smaller!

                                      1. re: JDAWG

                                        Agreed. Smaller font, please!

                                      2. re: juliejulez

                                        +1.

                                        Sorry devteam, but this new look is not a win.

                                        I just got a nice 27" monitor and it's really sad to see LESS content. Of course, the bigger monitor is not the problem; the site design is the problem. The increased white space around each topic requires more scrolling which is worse for my hands. I've had other favorite sites go to a similar mobile-oriented look with no "show dense content" setting. Sigh.

                                        Time to find other sites to read. Will try to check back in a few months.

                                         
                                        1. re: 1MunchieMonster

                                          Whatever you do, do not get Windows 8. It is designed for use with mobil devices.

                                      3. re: auberginegal

                                        Yeah on my 1440x900 macbook laptop, the layout doesn't show enough text.

                                        1. re: auberginegal

                                          Me, too. I understand that the current layout is optimal for mobile apps, but it's annoying on a desktop to have so much waste space and so much less info on the screen. On the other hand, the type in this reply box is annoyingly small!

                                          1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                            I guess Chowhound or CBS (or Conde Nast did I hear someone say?) is only interested in iPhoners.

                                            1. re: Jay F

                                              What's stupid is that if they keep driving away the people who actually provide content -- instead of just consuming it -- they won't have any content left to consume!

                                              The sorting by popularity function is particularly prone to that -- let's all just pile on the popular topic instead of starting something new!

                                              And did they change the font in the reply box already?

                                              No, it seems that the font is different for different levels of reply. Or something.

                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                Yes, it changes when you edit. I am seriously having trouble reading this small font.

                                                1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                  I have to agree with you Ruth. We contributors are much more likely to be contributing from a non-mibile device, as if we are typing anything of length, it is just easier than doing it from a smart phone or tablet. I hope they fix this.

                                                  1. re: TeacherFoodie

                                                    I was thinking the same thing. If CH caters to mobile users without concern of losing desktop users, I'm sure the quality of the content will suffer. We'll be seeing a lot more posts without punctuation (Siri really sucks at that), spell check and just overall thought, consideration and editing.

                                                    Looking for short, random, off-the-cuff remarks? I thought that's what facebook and twitter were for.

                                                    1. re: soypower

                                                      Yes - mobile devices are great for getting content, but not as great for creating it. I agree that the shift towards mobile devices is going to have a bad effect on the level of discourse in places like this.

                                                      Personally, while I have a mobile device, when I login to the forums I frequent from them, I'm much less likely to contribute. That isn't because their mobile interface isn't good, but rather because it's too much of a hassle to type a thoughtful response on my ipad.

                                                  2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                    I couldn't have put it better than that. Thanks for saying it for all of us.

                                                2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                  "We’ve ... come up with a design that we believe works for mobile as well as desktop users. We’re proud of what we’ve accomplished."

                                                  Jacquilynne, DaveMP, Engineering:

                                                  Did Chowhound actually think a single software architecture could successfully be deployed for both computer and mobile systems?

                                                  This is such a fundamental computer architecture error -- going back to the most basic of basics -- it's rather astounding.

                                                  Mobile systems require completely separate architecture from fixed device systems. One of the big architecture issues in mobile systems is space constraint; computer systems do not have this space constraint -- hence the huge graphic errors we are witnessing.

                                                  No one told Chowhound that mobile architecture would not work for computer systems, and vice versa?

                                                  Chowhound/CNET consulted with no software architects who surely would have explained why a single architecture wouldn't work? Why not?

                                                  Did anyone analyze the software visualizations and their ease of use across devices during development? The errors we're currently seeing would have been obvious had this been done.

                                                  If Chowhound/CNET deployed a single software architecture as a "cost-saving" tactic, please realize that correctly designing architecture for all platforms in the first place would have been the most cost-efficient approach. You will now have to spend more time and money to fix things.

                                                  Please hire software architects who clearly understand the separate architecture considerations of mobile vs. fixed systems, and who also understand the specific design details that create an easy end-user experience. This has an effect on your bottom line -- the end-user experience must be easy and enjoyable enough to maintain traffic and commercial viability.

                                                  You have really wrecked a good thing. I love Chowhound; I so wish you folks had been more informed and had consulted experts when you decided to change your software.

                                                  1. re: maria lorraine

                                                    Very well put. It's astounding to see an organization like this make such bad decisions. It's even more astounding to think that nothing ever happened to make anyone rethink this idea. I have a feeling that working for CBS Interactive might not be the greatest job.

                                                    1. re: SnackHappy

                                                      This post will probably be yanked, but if you've ever wondered what it might be like to work for Chowhound post-acquisition (I guess it was CNET at that time), just check out Jim Leff's slog at http://jimleff.blogspot.com/2008/12/c...
                                                      Hilarious and tragic story of corporate-think at its worst. It's long, but well-written and worth staying with -- especially when you get to the part about "Clay". Supposedly Clay left the building, but there seem to be some other "Clays" who've taken his place.

                                                      1. re: Steve Green

                                                        Horrifying. Contrast the usual corporate MO with that of Aldi, the firm that holds Trader Joe's. They at least knew better than to argue with success when they made that acquisition and have maintained a hands-off policy, resulting in a retailing miracle. (Of course, the continued hiring of CEOs who were on the same page as their predecessors didn't hurt.) I can just imagine the POB responsible for overseeing CH reading this and earnestly puzzling over how to manipulate "hands-off" to make it fit the corporate template.

                                                        The corporate mentality scares the bejeepers out of me. Apparently, "Clay" is the metamorphosis "taught" in MBA programs. Almost like something found in literature, isn't he?

                                                      2. re: SnackHappy

                                                        Yeah, I've been having the same thought for a couple of days.

                                                  2. re: auberginegal

                                                    Agreed! It seems a little wrong that I can see the same number of thread titles on my laptop screen as my mobile screen. The thread titles on the laptop look cartoonish, they are so huge. Too big for even my aging eyes.

                                                    1. re: Scruffy The Cat

                                                      "Cartoonish" was exactly the word that came to mind the first time I saw it!

                                                      1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                        Reminds me of the old fashioned BIG COLORING BOOKS.

                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                          SEE SPOT RUN. RUN SPOT RUN. SEE DICK RUN. SEE JANE RUN. RUN JANE RUN.

                                                          1. re: Uncle Bob

                                                            At least "Spot" implies contrast. White-on-white...I guess the compensation is the H U G E font. This is beyond horrible.

                                                            I'm too much of a lady to post what I think of CNET. First they crippled VersionTracker, now this. Is there such a thing as "the un-Midas touch?"

                                                            1. re: MacGuffin

                                                              Talofa, MacGuffin:

                                                              In the Islands we call it Pā ʻili Kūkae, a/k/a The Fecal Touch.

                                                              Kaleo

                                                              1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                Talofa, my friend! At some point I might just be able to scrape my hysterically laughing self off the floor...

                                                          2. re: HillJ

                                                            What is interesting is that at home I use an older Apple laptop and old version of Safari and the font size is quite small.

                                                        2. re: Scruffy The Cat

                                                          I feel like I'm reading a comic book. Not to be taken seriously. And I have my font set at Comic sans MS so you can imagine how that looks. All this needs is a "bubble" above everyone's head.

                                                            1. re: auberginegal

                                                              Agreed - I have a 19" screen and can see 3 1/2 post titles (after I Adblocked the New Site! banner). Making us work harder to view content and having the regular site look like a mobile site is backwards.

                                                              1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                I've discovered that you have to AdBlock the New Site Design! banner on every thread. For whatever reason, it's not "sticking" as permanently blocked. VERY frustrating to have it still there.

                                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                  Not so with Chrome AdBlock. Once, and it's gone!

                                                                  1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                    That's what I'm using. And the damn banner keeps coming back.

                                                              2. re: auberginegal

                                                                Agree!! Also, make the poster name a little bit bigger! I need to use magnifying glass!

                                                                1. re: auberginegal

                                                                  +1000

                                                                  Without reading this whole page I'm sure most of the complaints will along these lines. What a silly thing to do. It looks like a second grade reader and there are so few topics on a page. Ugh!

                                                                2. Could you please revise the new look so it doesn't take up so much screen real estate? I can only see like 25% of the number of threads I used to be able to see; instead there's a ton of white space around each thread now. I don't get how this is supposed to be better. It just makes the site difficult to use.

                                                                  6 Replies
                                                                  1. re: Luther

                                                                    + a gazillion! WAY too much space is taken up when you're looking at your profile's list of threads!!

                                                                      1. re: Luther

                                                                        I agree. There are fewer posts visible at once and thus it is much harder to read as more scrolling and page-changing is required. There is no need to foist a mobile-capable view on desktop/notebook/full-sized tablet users. You could detect the platform and act accordingly.

                                                                        I know many sites are going to the low-density designs, but I don't think it helps.

                                                                        1. re: travelerjjm

                                                                          Big +1 agreement here. The trend towards this type of web layout drives me apesh*t bonkers. It is SO unfriendly to the desktop user, and frankly, it's annoying on my phone too.

                                                                        2. re: Luther

                                                                          Things are WAAAAAAY too big. Ugly, with a capital UG.

                                                                          This step backwards took 6 months? Really?! Wow.

                                                                          1. re: FishTales

                                                                            Just imagine how horrible it would be if they took a full year!

                                                                        3. Where are the NEW icons showing that the thread has something new on it when viewed in your profile list of conversations you're participating on? That is seriously necessary when a thread climbs up anywhere past 50 posts.

                                                                          23 Replies
                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                            Wait - so now something that is LIGHT GRAY is unread in your thread list, and DARK GRAY is read?

                                                                            Boo. Put back the yellow NEW "button". Much more visible and recognizable. If you've got someone who's got color issues, the differences in grays might not be as noticeable, whereas at least the NEW button was visible.

                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                              I don't have problems wth color discernment, and it was hard for me to distinguish between the grays. I can only imagine how that must affect people with color blindness or other visual color issues.

                                                                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                YES . . . bring back the "NEW" . . . button, I mean. Otherwise, bring back the OLD design!

                                                                                1. re: zin1953

                                                                                  Why would they even get rid of the new button?? Makes no sense. Yikes. Stupid.

                                                                                  It might simply be a "getting used to" thing, but the grey/white shading seems needlessly confusing.

                                                                                  1. re: magic

                                                                                    The shading is particularly difficult if all of the (very few) posts on the page are the same color, so there's no contrast to signal their status.

                                                                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                      Exactly! I guess we are supposed to have a "visual memory" of what "new gray" and "old gray" look like!

                                                                                      1. re: DGresh

                                                                                        that was a problem I was having - does paler mean read or unread? or darker? its just not enough of a visual cue to tell me anything (on the mobile side) on the computer, the visuals are slightly more suggestive - but when there is no logic differentiating the two modes, only confusion reigns. Its like if you have the red/blue political map - its taken years of reinforcement and derivative expressions like red-state to teach us all that blue means dems and not reps. Give us the NEW marker back - like the SAVE which I am looking at right now - and all the confusion goes away and I dont have to worry about shades of grey. That joke will only last a little while.

                                                                                      2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                        Yes! Just realized the problem with the lack of contrast cuing you when they're all the same shade. I thought it was just going to be a matter of getting used to it, but a couple times today I clicked on a thread here today on site talk, thinking there would be new posts but it was actually the other shade of gray indicating all-read. Needs to be something that you see and automatically and without thinking about it, you know what it means (as before).

                                                                                2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                  Apparently a thread with no new posts will be grayed out. This will obviously take some getting used to.

                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                    Yes, please I can find it! and I don't see it on the tutorial

                                                                                    1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                      The icons are gone, but the background is white for threads with new posts, gray for threads without new posts.

                                                                                      I, too, would like to be able to see more text (vs. more white space) on a page. But I like that the first line of each response is visible even in a collapsed thread.

                                                                                      1. re: small h

                                                                                        I was hopeful that the redesign would mean faster page loading on the iPad, but no. I could not get the edit button to work, either. I stabbed at it multiple times, like Norman Bates' dead mama - nuthin'. Last complaint of the night: it's no longer useful to search on a page for the word "ago" in order to jump to the latest post. Because "ago" appears too many times, now. Anyone have a new method, in case I can't come up with my own?

                                                                                      2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                        They chose to put a slight gray on the posts that have not been updated since you last opened that thread. It is not enough. On the mobil site the time that the thread was last updated (how long ago it was added to) is in red.

                                                                                        Mods....the non-mobil site needs to have the "how long ago the thread was last updated" in red just like it is on the mobil site. This is a deal breaker for me.

                                                                                        Personally, while I understand nobody likes change, I do not see why the look made as drastic a change as it has. Like I said on another thread about this, this is job justification if I ever saw it.

                                                                                        Ok, I just typed this post, now what? Where is the button to get it posted?

                                                                                        edit...really? the SAME button?

                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                          Yup - to you and small h - I noted that above in the reply to myself.

                                                                                          But I still think that could be an issue with someone who has color gradient eyesight issues. Something for them to think about.

                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                            I don't have color issues, but it is still not enough of a contrast. I mentioned the red thing in the upper right on the mobil edition. That should also be used on the regular site.

                                                                                            1. re: John E.

                                                                                              See, that's why the former yellow NEW! button would be more appropriate. It stands out way better than tehse two similar shades of grey.

                                                                                              If it ain't broke, DON'T FIX IT!

                                                                                            2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                              Ok, I've figured out the easiest way to detect a thread which has been updated. The category, ie. Home Cooking, Cookeware, etc., is in red if the thread has been updated. It is black if you've have read all the posts, or at least have opened the thread.

                                                                                          2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                            If a discussion you've previously read has new updates, there'll be an arrow next to the post count in the middle column.

                                                                                            1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                              Jacquilynne, that is COMPLETELY unintuitive. Why would the change have been made from the NEW symbol? Was the change made just tor the sake of making a change? Come on. This goes back to K.I.S.S.

                                                                                              1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                Just look at the way the red diamond pops next to your name.

                                                                                                The use of color to mark a new post -- the red in "New" -- did everything to draw attention to which threads have have new posts. This tiny bit of color that pops is far more functional than gradations of gray and bold type. Put the red color back.

                                                                                                Keep the arrow in the same place, perhaps, next to the number of replies, but do something to make it pop, please? Add red to the arrow.

                                                                                                Also, the placement of the number and arrow is wrong. Should be on the far left.

                                                                                                1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                  I'm envious of the lovely red diamond to the right of your name (and Dave MP's name), Jacquilynne,

                                                                                                  ~TDQ

                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                    Isn't it amazing how something so small (and COLORFUL!) actually stands out to everyone in a gray-on-gray world? It's rather like the movie "Pleasantville" - just in reverse. We HAD color; now we're in the gray world.

                                                                                                2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                  Absolutely. This a glaring loss.

                                                                                                3. I second what auberginegal said about the size.

                                                                                                  1. Where am I saving the thread to with the pretty new star?
                                                                                                    Just an edit test 30 minutes later.

                                                                                                    2 Replies
                                                                                                    1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                      If you're saving a specific Discussion, it'll show up in your profile under "Following" and then "Discussions".

                                                                                                      1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                        I hadn't ever looked there before. Thanks.
                                                                                                        Now I can save threads for reference that I haven't necessarily responded to. Not sure if I could before as I've always bookmarked them.

                                                                                                    2. Page 1 of most recent posts is down from 50 to 20? This reduces the chances of making a connection to current activity. I suppose I'll be swept away in the dust of progress.

                                                                                                      4 Replies
                                                                                                      1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                        Exactly - the

                                                                                                        W

                                                                                                        I

                                                                                                        D

                                                                                                        E

                                                                                                        space taken for each thread in your profile is TOTALLY unnecessary.

                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                          Frankly, the font was larger and easier to read on the site before this change.

                                                                                                          The space on the right side of the screen is for yet-to-be-sold advertising.

                                                                                                          1. re: John E.

                                                                                                            And I use Ad Blockers, so all that space will remain varying shades of gray.

                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                              As will mine,forever.I even found a method to keep all of the "CHOW" partners off the bottom of my page.

                                                                                                      2. I find the grey text on a grey background difficult to see.

                                                                                                        I agree w everyone else who said there's too much space around the posts. I also very much appreciated the "new" notation in red. The only thing that stands out clearly now are the advertisements.....

                                                                                                        Also, why eliminate folks icons on sub threads, again I feel we're taking the "identity" out of the community.

                                                                                                        11 Replies
                                                                                                        1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                          Seriously, it's grey text on grey background. I find this very challenging for the eyes as well.

                                                                                                          1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                            NOTE: The edit button either isn't working or the time to edit has been reduced. Either way, I wasn't able to edit.

                                                                                                            What I had come back to say after 10 mins with the grey on grey my eyes are watering and actually hurting. If this can't be addressed, I'm going to have a major issue using this site.

                                                                                                            1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                              I just edited my post above after 30 minutes. Works fine on Chrome and Vista.
                                                                                                              Personally, everything's AOK and I'm grateful for the site. Thanks for letting us play in your sandbox.

                                                                                                              1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                                Seriously! The gray/gray=fail. The white background that pops up when you type a reply would be easier (more functional) and look better. Any graphics design or sign maker or you know, a website designer, would tell you that color combo is not easily readable, especially for vision impaired and older folk.

                                                                                                                Also the font on the landing page is too big and too thick (clunky).

                                                                                                                1. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                                  Yes, there is need of a BLACK font. Nice and dark, so you can READ it. Forget "pretty." Readable is the new grey.

                                                                                                                  1. re: roxlet

                                                                                                                    Clap clap clap.

                                                                                                                    Yes!

                                                                                                                    Readable is very underrated.

                                                                                                                  2. re: Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                                    I'm young and healthy, but grey on grey is absurd. Did nobody test this out before implementing it? It's literally the worst website I've seen in many years.

                                                                                                                  3. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                                    I'm with Breadcrumbs - the eyestrain from the gray-on-gray is torture. i can't look at it for more than a minute or two at a time.

                                                                                                                    1. re: goodhealthgourmet

                                                                                                                      me too....I am squinting right now on my Dell office monitor....totally unneccesary.

                                                                                                                  4. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                                    The varying colors is something that users have said before. Keep the WHITE background vs. the gray-on-gray as they've got for new posts.

                                                                                                                    WHY they continue to go back to the gray-on-gray is beyond me. It is not user friendly from a readability standpoint. Hey programmers - have you thought about ASKING THE USERS??????

                                                                                                                  5. I like the new look on my iPhone 4s. One weird thing is that the "reply" link is invisible until you click on where it should appear. I can imagine its creation being a usability concern such that it prevents unwanted or stray flagging. Non-intuitive for the first use at least...

                                                                                                                    That's odd... I can edit the post I just wrote, but I can't reply or flag it. That functionally should be returned--- k can think of a few times where I've written a post, only to realize that it belonged on another board, was in error and needing deletion, etc.

                                                                                                                    1. 1. Use of space is much worse than before. Font is gigantic, white space is very excessive. Bring back the old look just for that alone. Who wants to look at page after page of threads? This is an improvement?

                                                                                                                      2. "New" indicator for threads with new posts (dark gray vs. light gray) is neither intuitive nor easy to see on the desktop version. On the mobile (iPhone) version, the "new" indicator appears to have vanished altogether. This is an improvement?

                                                                                                                      3. The iPhone version now has two different font sizes used in thread titles, one giant one for the first line, then a more normal-sized one used for the second/later lines. Why?

                                                                                                                      1. for the forum's message list, the subject font is now bolder and bigger, resulting in more text wrapping and fewer entries per page. not good. that IMPAIRS usability, not improves it.

                                                                                                                        also, you really need to look at a "stretchy" or "responsive" design...why, on a massively-wide screen, am i limited to 5-6" of content in the center of my huge browser window??

                                                                                                                        it's no longer 2001, guys. responsive FTW.

                                                                                                                        1. Just looks very overly fussy to me. You'd have hoped a new design would be the opposite

                                                                                                                          4 Replies
                                                                                                                          1. re: Harters

                                                                                                                            Didnt seem to be able to edit previous post, but here's an additional comment.

                                                                                                                            On any given sub-forum, I rarely look past the first page. The new design means there's fewer threads on the page - so much less to become involved in. may not have been the design intention but, for me, that's certainly the outcome.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                              I agree with Harters (and others) on his second comment. Previously, it was rarely necessary to go further down than page 2 on a board (I'm not sure why you are now calling boards "categories") to scan everything that was posted or updated in a 24 hour period. Now, with many fewer threads per page, one might have to click on four or five pages to access the same threads. Many people won't do that, so it's likely that threads will be less actively read and updated as they quickly get buried.

                                                                                                                            2. re: Harters

                                                                                                                              I agree. It's as though the new look should actually be the one being replaced. My issue is that it'll take 2.5 loads for what previously was a one page load. Over a month's time, for someone on an iPad data plan, it adds up.

                                                                                                                              1. re: KrumTx

                                                                                                                                This! Absolutely correct. The longer you spend on the site, the more chances you will see more advertisers. However, if it costs a user more data time, hence more money, they may feel it not worth it to deal with the new design and then the site loses users (and ad dollars) Tricky balance.

                                                                                                                                Jerseygirl111

                                                                                                                            3. Way, way, way too much white space. Looks like it was designed for people with serious vision impairment. It's even worse on my phone, only two or three topics can fit on screen at once.

                                                                                                                              4 Replies
                                                                                                                              1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                                                                its not going to help folks with vision impariment - its way too faint with too little color contrast. and way too much white space -

                                                                                                                                and where did related threads go - its not visible on my desktop version? I could hardly care about "trending".... but those related threads get folks to useful info without a search. one of the few really helpful innovations. I see its at the end of the thread on my android so thats good.

                                                                                                                                Text on the smartphone (dolphin and chrome browsers, android) only fills part of the screen - if there is not content intended on the righthand side, this is a waste of space requires too much scrolling.

                                                                                                                                I also see we arent "boards" any more, but categories? pls explain.

                                                                                                                                I miss the very effective "new" icons - for example on a bouard on which I am active, everything is the same color - I have to stop to remember what that means - I miss the names of the latest poster - its a good cue if I am partiicpating instead of just readingcontent

                                                                                                                                there is no reason why the online site has to look like the mobile site give us more content per page!

                                                                                                                                oh and yes, the icons to reply report etc after each post should be visible all the time no newcomer would ever know they are there to scroll into the white space to look for them - the space appears pointless

                                                                                                                                1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                                                                  Yes, really miss the "new" icon. I'm trying to guess about how many minutes have elapsed since I last looked at a reply!

                                                                                                                                  1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                                                                    for the record, the related threads area has come back...still too limited, but its back.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                                                                      Yes, why they have invisible Link, Flag, Reply icons is beyond me. I've been saying "BRING BACK THE "NEW" icon", but for whatever reason, they've got these varying shades of gray and a stupid nonsensical, non-intuitive "arrow" to show that there are new posts in a thread.

                                                                                                                                  2. I know you worked really, really hard on this new design. I wish I could say I liked it but I hate it. It is blurry and hard to read, both on the front page and after we open a section. I agree with other comments here about the gray on gray type. It makes my eyes hurt. I know you all need to be doing something to keep your jobs but fixing what wasn't broken isn't working well here. Please go back to the old design.
                                                                                                                                    In fact, if you back to the design before the design you just got rid of, it would be even better.

                                                                                                                                    1 Reply
                                                                                                                                    1. Oh, good grief, and the font in the compose-reply box is TINY, at least in Firefox on Windows.

                                                                                                                                      Did you beta-test this? Gah. Please revert.

                                                                                                                                      1 Reply
                                                                                                                                      1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                                                                        I think it would be awesome if the CH powers-that-be announced they had deleted the old code and that it was impossible to revert so-you-better-get-used-to-it ... kinda like burning the bridge behind your army to show resolve.

                                                                                                                                        speaking of burning bridges ...

                                                                                                                                        btw is the two-tone animation of the reply button purely cosmetic or does the upper half activate something different from the lower half? i guess it's just a way of showing it is clickable? jesus.

                                                                                                                                      2. Meh. If I were new to this site I probably wouldn't stick around to explore it with this new layout. Its unattractive and is the kind of layout I'd expect from a rookie site, not a well established one making "improvements."

                                                                                                                                        I really hope that the added functionality makes up for it.

                                                                                                                                        1 Reply
                                                                                                                                        1. Definitely got some work to do Dave!

                                                                                                                                          1. I hate everything about it that everyone else does, mainly, gray on gray on gray on gray EVERYTHING. Unread threads? Gray! Read Threads? Slightly darker gray! Text? Gray! Was there something wrong with the "New" icon? Also the ridiculously small text amidst a sea of whitespace (or grayspace).

                                                                                                                                            One very dumb thing I haven't seen mentioned so far is that the Link, Flag, Edit, and Reply buttons below each post in a thread are invisible unless you mouse over the post. It's not like the space they occupy is saved while they're not there, either, it's just empty. What's the point of that?

                                                                                                                                            8 Replies
                                                                                                                                            1. re: Buckethead

                                                                                                                                              I agree w you regarding the "invisible" action items Buckethead. I guess they thought a little splash of colour might ruin the grey on grey on grey on grey on grey....

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                                                                I'm thinking I should change my screen name....... beginning to feel rather put upon. But since this new design gave me eyestrain, headache, and queasiness within 5 minutes, I guess I'll just settle for not looking at the site regularly. I use a laptop to participate. Snowblindness is inevitable with this new design.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                  Awww, greygarious! LOL

                                                                                                                                                  But "snowblindness" is a perfect analogy. Everything is the same. NOT a good upgrade.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                    "Snowblindness" nails it. wow that's tiny print - now I have an excuse for my typos.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                      Agreed, Graygarireous. Sorry we didn't get a 'like' button as asked for with the new re-design.... I would have 'liked" your post.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: greygarious

                                                                                                                                                        Snowblindness: EXACTLY! Eyestrain, headache, queasiness DITTO.

                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Buckethead

                                                                                                                                                      Yes! I don't have as many issues as others do, but having to scroll over for Link/Reply/Report is ridiculous! I am using a Kindle Fire right now, having to "swipe" to have those icons pop-up is even worse than having to scroll over with a mouse, which seems to go against the other "improvements" geared to the mobile user.

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Justpaula

                                                                                                                                                        On my IPad I can tap anywhere within the post and the icons pop up. When I'm scrolling through a page my thumb is there already so it doesn't seem like such a big deal

                                                                                                                                                    3. 1. After a few minutes this gray background is really killing my eyes. This isn't 1995, you don't have to use a gray background.

                                                                                                                                                      2. The font size in the reply composition box (as I type right now) is too small... and it's serif which I find bizarre. Make the font like it used to be, i.e., big enough that you don't need serif to make it at all readable.

                                                                                                                                                      3. Why is there no reply button/box at the bottom of the thread? I have to scroll all the way back to the top of the page if I want to post a top-level reply, which seems unnecessary.

                                                                                                                                                      5 Replies
                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Luther

                                                                                                                                                        I was just coming to ask about point three. That is a pain in the arse especially since so many threads on this site take on a life of their own. There may be 100's of replies by the time you see them and now you have to page all the way back up??

                                                                                                                                                        And what about threads like "Whats for dinner?" where people keep updating them?

                                                                                                                                                        Please tell me it aint so and I am missing something?

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: foodieX2

                                                                                                                                                          Exactly. The "What's for Dinner" threads go over 300 posts. Yet again, they took things away that WORKED for supposed functionality. And yet made the site less readable with the gray-on-gray *and* the lack of NEW icons and lack of replying at the bottom of a thread.

                                                                                                                                                          I don't think this format was beta-tested. Because I cannot believe any long-term user of the CH site would have said this was an improvement.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: foodieX2

                                                                                                                                                            With you foodie x2; this is NOT working for regular's....

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: foodieX2

                                                                                                                                                              I have been trying to stay on top of the myriad of threads on the new design subject but have not seen/can't find if this has been answered yet. Is this a permenant change? A bug? or is there a plan to update and bring back the option?

                                                                                                                                                              If I missed it, I apologize! If someone can link me to the answer too that would be great.

                                                                                                                                                              thank you

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: foodieX2

                                                                                                                                                                So far, nothing has been said about this feature that was taken from the previous iteration. There are many who are asking for it to be reinstated.

                                                                                                                                                          2. Why a serif typeface when you hit Reply? And why so tiny?

                                                                                                                                                            1. Epic fail. The site may be ok if you view it exclusively on a smart phone, but if you use a computer it stinks. It's like I'm reading the large print version of book made for people with seeing impairments. The way it stands now, I can't see myself participating as much as I did before. Too much effort to read the same number of posts. Also, there are no tooltips for the new icons. I just watched the "instructional" video and I can't recall what they mean.

                                                                                                                                                              1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                              1. re: creamfinger

                                                                                                                                                                I have to shrink the typeface I see when I arrive at the site (homepage?), because, yes, it's like reading a Large Print book. Then, when I click a thread open, I have to embiggen the page at least twice before the typeface is readable.

                                                                                                                                                                Who in the world approved this thing? It's dreadful. And typing in this serif typeface makes me feel 200 years old.

                                                                                                                                                                Oddly, the gray-on-gray doesn't bother me as much as it does others. Maybe all'y'all need to press control+ a couple of times to embiggen the type.

                                                                                                                                                              2. I want to ask a question I asked when the Conde Nast/CHOW.com thing first happened: Why not just use some kind of third-party forum software and customize the heck out of it to get a distinctive look? Trying to invent a bulletin board from scratch is going to leave you with too little, too late.

                                                                                                                                                                1. Hate it, for all the reasons stated above. Visually unpleasant to look at. Gray. Yup. Jumbo print. Yes, I'm old but I have glasses I don't need you to enlarge everything. Wasted space. My eyes are starting to hurt. I use a desktop, clearly you are designing for mobile. Not very useful for me anymore.

                                                                                                                                                                  Ciao, Chow.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. The "edit" function seems not to work on my iPad.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. Anyone else notice the letters cut off on the justfied left side of the OP comment? Nearly every OP has a few letters missing on the left column within the first two lines.

                                                                                                                                                                      13 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                        I could not edit my own comment here to add:

                                                                                                                                                                        The flagging and replying comment boxes are going to get confused designed so close together. Why is a reply box even opening when a poster selects flagging?

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                          I still need to hit the refresh button to advance to the current page of comments.

                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                          Yes, I'm noticing that as well. But when I first opened this new design I believe there was a "like" button there and perhaps another button as well. Neither is there now.

                                                                                                                                                                          I'm curious about people commenting on a serif typeface in the reply box. As I'm typing it's sans serif. Where are people seeing a serif typeface?

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                            In the reply box, the typeface is tiny and *avec* serif.

                                                                                                                                                                            If you're not seeing it, maybe you're lucky. Or maybe they're fixing it.

                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                              What's strange is that one of my replies came out in yet another font! I don't mind serif fonts, BTW, just tiny ones!

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                I'm constantly toggling between control - and control + to change the size of the page. It's too big on the outside, and waaaaaaaay too small inside.

                                                                                                                                                                                You shouldn't have to do that on any website. Anywhere. Anytime. Nuh-uh.

                                                                                                                                                                                I am only reading this thread. Anything more would be too much work.

                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                No, still not seeing it. And the type in the reply box is the same size as in the posted reply although easier to read because the type is black, not gray. Odd.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                  Who do you know, Joan? Someone must like you.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jay F

                                                                                                                                                                                    Haha. Just fyi, I'm reading and typing right now on a MacAir, in case that knowledge is helpful to anyone.

                                                                                                                                                                              3. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                Maybe the tiny font is browser-specific. Screen shot attached.

                                                                                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                                                                                                                  This is a screen shot from MacAir using Firefox with Mountain Lion.

                                                                                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                                                                                                                    Hmm, the Edit button has no effect on that post. I wanted to add that I'm using Firefox ESR 17.0.1 on Windows 7.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                                                                                                                      I get the same tiny font - Using Chrome.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: SnackHappy

                                                                                                                                                                                    It looks like crap. It's messy, fussy and confusing. I might take a break from these boards and come back later to see how you've fixed things. Right now, it looks like yet another overhaul disaster.

                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: SnackHappy

                                                                                                                                                                                      "Overhaul disaster." Strong words, but I think I agree. I never like change, but my learning curve patience will be put to the test with this new format. Change for no reason is always frustrating to me. Florida Hound

                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: SnackHappy

                                                                                                                                                                                      Yes, clearly they're trying to beat us into submission.

                                                                                                                                                                                    3. The thumbs-up and facebook like links are not loading on my browsers -- either Firefox or Chrome -- all I can see is the twitter icon.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                      1. This is a disaster. Really one of the most impressively horrible site redesigns I've ever encountered.

                                                                                                                                                                                        Edit does work for me. And the font in the Edit box is reasonable size, unlike the original Reply box.

                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Okay, since everyone is complaining, I'll give you one thing I like: the preview line on the collapsed posts. Very helpful for long threads with multiple tangents.

                                                                                                                                                                                          4 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                            I think the preview lines are distracting and dozens of wordy images require hard focus...but in the scheme of things the preview lines are at least doing what they are designed to do..and working.

                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                              Ruth I agree. That's the ONE thing I really like. It's nice to have a little bit of an idea of what someone is saying "me too" or "+1" to. Other than that, I agree with everyone else. Particularly regarding the huge wasted space when looking at threads. I see just 3 or 4 topics on my full size monitor. This is silly.

                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                i'm sorry Ruth, must disagree. that's the thing i hate the most - makes it so very busy! and i'm on a very long thread daily - WFD.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agree. I dislike the previews. I find them unnecessary.

                                                                                                                                                                                              2. If I wear my Gunnar glasses the gray on gray of posts is not too difficult to read. Without them the contrast is not enough. I suppose I will have to create some custom CSS to make the site easier to use.

                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Another objection to the huge font for headers and the pointless and wasted white space, that results in users getting less information on the screen in an actually less readable format.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm talking about a conventional computer screen as with a desktop or laptop computer. If the redesign is intended for smartphone screens, it's no use to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  Also, where are the flags for threads with posts I haven't read yet? Have I got to waste my time opening every thread just in case? Sheesh!

                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I tried the new design with three browsers: Mozilla Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer. The My Categories (saved boards) selection appears with Firefox, but is missing when using Chrome or Internet Explorer. This needs to be fixed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                    3 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: cheesemaestro

                                                                                                                                                                                                      My My Categories is there, I use Chrome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: cheesemaestro

                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just checking -- are you logged in in all three browsers? I've been using My Categories in Chrome since the redesign, so it's not universally missing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I tried the three browsers sequentially and just tried them again. Same thing. In another post below, I theorized that it might be dependent on the operating system. I'm on my laptop which has Windows XP.

                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. I want the option to condense the size. It's awful for me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Karl S

                                                                                                                                                                                                          I agree. This is terrible.

                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I have to agree with the majority here. The ridiculously large font when entering a board (er, category) limits the number of threads viewed at one time is annoying. And that annoyance is compounded by the fact that the "New" tag has been removed. Add to thast the whole light gray\dark gray approach to unread\read threads is giving me a major headache. You don't really have to have taken a design course to know that black print on a white background is the easiest to process. Also, I too find the first line of an already read post to be distracting. And I'm giving myself eyestrain reading this in the Reply section.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          For the record, My Categories does appear (laptop with IE 7).

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: gaffk

                                                                                                                                                                                                            Perhaps My Categories being cut off with certain browsers is an operating system issue? I'm still using Windows XP.

                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Holy moley. Just took me 5 minutes to figure out how to reply on my iPhone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            It's a hard job Dave to take all this criticism in and persevere. And you know I feel your pain being in IT and all that. But I hate the new look and feel too.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm hopeful the team will take the feedback and iterate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Isn't this new redesign visually a lot like the previous redesign before people's complaints were addressed? The complaints seem similar, IIRC.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Chimayo Joe

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Yes, the last major redesign was horribly unusable at first.

                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Ahh - I see what it is now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Just like "Yelp" screwed up their site for non-mobile folks in order to cater to the mobile I-can't-live-without-being-connected-to the-internet-for-one-second people, "Chowhound" is now doing the same thing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                Thanks for nothing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Agree with the others that the type size is way too big and the poor use of real estate.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As a reminder - here's a link to an archived page that demonstrates how many more threads were evident

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  http://web.archive.org/web/2011051007...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ElizabethS

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Exactly. The old view, even though you had "Show Saved Boards" open, still shows MORE listed threads than the new format. Just think about how many you can see when the "Show Saved Boards" is closed!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Pics below of the new format and the old format as seen on my laptop at home:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. I am with everyone else in terms of feeling that the greyness of the site both makes it difficult to read and makes it feel very old. I'm not sure why you have taken away some real functionality here. Both the labeling of threads as 'new' and the larger number of post on the subject threads were very helpful to the reader. Now they're gone, and we have these threads that are practically yelling at you.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Every time there is a format change to a BB there is always instant outrage.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      That said, new format sucks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: kengk

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Word. Plus lots of people who say they are going to leave. FLOUNCE!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        But I am not a fan of this 'upgrade' and hope the engineering team is hearing the feedback.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        My latest thing is that now when I click to expand messages I see them all not just my unread. I have to scroll thru a bunch of history to get to the new content. Le sigh.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. Jeez, I can't tell what I've read and what I haven't read...I'm soooooo confused

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        And why is the first sentence of each collapsed thread displaying. That made it even harder to try and find new posts in a long thread. I couldn't tell where the new posts started and the old ones ended. Very confusing to the eye.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Why is every "improvement" a limit to the usablity and amount of information? Hasn't anyone got an interest in design and usablity? Junk this mess, please.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. In general, de-emphasizing the pinned threads - or turning them into a FAQ is a good idea since they took up too much space.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            But I think the HomeCooking Board still needs more work given the importance of the COTM, dish of the month and voting and nomination threads. Having to find the tiny link, (in comparison to the size of the thread headers below) click through to it and then find the area of interest in the undifferentiated text below - where is the big bold text and headers where it is needed? is confusing and harmful. Im sure this will get fixed, right? Seems like it just was not fully thought through.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              +1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The more clicks it takes to get somewhere the less people will bother. Right now you have to know what the COTM and DOTM are and where to even look for them to find them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I've visited far less boards since the last redesign making them take more effort to get to- I will probably decrease what I read here even more if it continues to increase in the effort required.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Was it beta tested by users?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                              5 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: ElizabethS

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  If the changes were beta tested they were tested by betta fighting fish. No human should have approved these changes (some fish did). Everything seems geared toward mobile users. Also, I can't wait to see what they put in all that wasted negative space over on the right-hand side.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Cheese Boy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I just booted up on my new LenovosUltrabook - windows 7 with Goggle Chrome -the whole site only fills 2/3 of the page I had figured it was a problem with all the new ad blocking that myoldfashioned corporate machine was doing but no - the site is now all empty space and I have to scroll and scroll. And this reply box type is just TINY hard to read and edit. As a content provider Id just like to say that I am not going to be doing that - adding content- very much for the foreseeable future from my smartphone,its just too laborious, so CHOW had better work to make the computer view -as well as the smartphone view - work well if it expects folks to actually write. Ive never seen a website that looks as lame as this one does right now - dimensioned to fit on a smartphone. with all this other space available - all the other sites I visit seem to be figuring out how to adjust to make both readable. Recognizing that things may be more complicated than I understand, please please keep working on this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: jen kalb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Just looked at it on my Galaxy Tab (Kindle size) and the new fonts are so big they overrun the screen, even when I try and downsize it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Man, this is like playing cards with the old folks who need the deck with the giant numbers on it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also checked it on my smartphone. Once again the entire thing was too huge to fit on the screen. Downsizing helped some, but that messed up the spacing on the actual posts. CH has been difficult to use on a smartphone at best. It's still difficult

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      So far not finding the new format very user-friendly :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. re: Cheese Boy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I have yet to explore the new changes on my PC but it's no joy as a mobile user. I really miss the old site. I find nothing that makes navigating this site easier

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Takes up too much screen space on desktop and mobile. It's a step in the wrong direction unfortunately.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Also, take a look at My Discussion (for me and I assume many the main entry point to the site). The distinction between viewed and unviewed threads is almost imperceptible, with no difference in the headers as with other boards just a teeny weeny difference in the grey tone. So very tastefull and idiotic.. PLEASE bring back the NEW marker or some other very definite demarcation so I know what I have looked at already
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      !!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. It may have taken 6 months, but the changes I've seen are not for the better, IMO. Not being able to scan more than a few threads per page sucks big time. And I'm nearsighted, but the font and icon sizes look like they belong in Reader's Digest's Big Print Edition.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Not so likely to be spending so much time here contributing... eGullet anyone?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        6 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Checking out eGullet as you typed kaleokahu...what a shame.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Breadcrumbs

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hi, breadcrumbs:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            \I had an Aha! moment about the egregiously large fonts... Increase the font size to absurd = more right-hand space for the things we don't care about: ads. This is about maximizing revenue, not making the site "better."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Aloha, and See You When You Hele to eG,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I didn't even think about that. No wonder Yelp et al. are kicking Chow's ass.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Will definitely see you there. I signed up last night.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: kaleokahu

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              eGullet uses Tapatalk for mobile use as well

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            3. Sprint LG Optimus S using Dolphin HD browser- there is no way to reply!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The link/flag/reply buttons that magically appear when you hover a mouse cursor over them on a PC simply do not exist on my phone browser.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              It's just unclickable dead grey space.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                In any case I'm not sure what the point is of them "magically appearing". At least on my browser (Firefox on Windows 7) the space into which they appear is just gray space anyway. It's not like they save any space while they're hidden. It simply makes them less obvious if you don't have your mouse in the frame. So you think "there's no way to reply". And in some cases, apparently, that's actually true.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DGresh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Well, I was trying to reply to the original post, but couldn't figure out how on my iPhone. And I don't need to read discussions from across the room. I get almost nothing on a page - im not going to spend time scrolling thru 50 pages to read a thread. i mean - seriously oversized and I don't have great vision. The grey/grey issue is pretty serious too. Total bummer:(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Replying to my own post. Just watched the orientation video. When you tap on a topic, the reply arrow appears.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    IMHO, any site redesign which requires a video to help users understand it, is not an improvement in usability.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    If it's not self-evident, then you're making it too complicated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    As an occasional poster and frequent user of Chowhound for over six years, this really just makes me sad...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    P.S. - Also tried the new site on my iPhone. Not impressed with that either. The lack of an option to go to the Desktop site is especially irksome.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: MarkhamDee

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Exactly. Put the changes in a pinned written post at the top of Site Talk - no, put it at the top of ALL boards. I don't want a video. I can't watch that at work when these changes were made (mid-day).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: MarkhamDee

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        > IMHO, any site redesign which requires a video to help users understand it, is not an improvement in usability.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        SO, so true. This is my rule #1 of designing pages and forms: if people use it wrong, or have to ask for directions on how to use it, THE DESIGNER DID A BAD JOB. The current version of CH is non-intuitive in addition to being ugly and clunky. I have a hard time believing that this was beta-tested by actual users, given that the comments on this thread are running approximately 99.9%-0.1% against.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. Would someone please tell me where to find the COTM stickies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    4 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      They (along with DOTM) look to be located within "QUICK LINKS: Cookbook and Dish of the Month" in red at the very top of the Home Cooking board.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        There are now links to the discussions for Cookbook of the Month just under the title of the board in red text. All of the actual discussion threads will now float with other threads on the board. We hope this will offer a combination of having an easy link so people can always find them and having them be part of the regular conversation on the boards rather than something that's separated off.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Jacquilynne

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thanks, but not seeing anything that says QUICK LINKS on my iPhone. Will check my laptop later.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ah, sorry, should have checked if you were using the mobile interface. Stickies still aren't visible on mobile, but now that the actual discussions for the Of-the-Month projects aren't stickied (just Quick Links to them), you should be able to see them in the regular discussions.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. After about a half-hour's use on a laptop...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        GOOD: 1) Jumping to the last reply when a user clicks in the "Last Reply" column on a board page. 2) Showing the first line of each collapsed response on a thread page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OK: Replacing the "New" icon with bold text and an arrow icon. This conveys more information than the previous scheme, and other, standard board software uses a similar approach.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        AWFUL: 1) All the wasted vertical space. 2) The low contrast between text and background, which has already given me a headache. (Seriously.) Didn't we confront these very same issues with the last redesign?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        BUG(?): Jumping to the top of a thread, rather than the first reply (as previously), when a user clicks in the "Replies" colunn on a board page. Of course, what would be the most helpful would be to jump to the first expanded reply.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        NB: I just tried to view the introductory video, getting the message, "The video you have requested in unavailable or may have expired."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Yet another reason *NOT* to have the light grey/dark grey. I just went to this thread with 155 replies

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/877444

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And kept hitting the Pg Dn on my keyboard to quickly jump down to wherever the first unread post was.....and I almost scrolled right past it. The light gray (unread post) vs. dark gray (read post) is virtually undiscernible during a quick scroll to move quickly in a long thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Go BACK to the white for unread posts so they can be seen - PLEASE?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The GREY is HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I just clicked on that thread -- which I've already read and even replied to -- and all of the posts were expanded. Why? They should be collapsed if I've already seen 'em. (Never mind the difficulty in finding new replies, but that's been a problem on here forever -- only made worse in the new design.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: davis_sq_pro

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                davis_sq - they're only collapsed if there is a new post that you haven't read - just that unread post will remain open to read. But if there are no new posts, they'll all be expanded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Everything has been mentioned but this is just awful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Tip: vBulletin and call it a day, stop trying to reinvent the wheel.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. Fit less on the screen? Sure. Make the site less usable? Sure.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This happens every time chow does a new-and-improved redesign. It's just their programmers trying to avoid being laid off. It sucks, but they gotta eat too, right?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Dear Chowhound,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  My vision is fine and I don't require a large-print site. Thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Love,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Njchicaa

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. So far not a big change. I DO like being able to see the first line of a collapsed thread (the postings that were seen last time you opened) it makes it much easier to understand the comments to that posting. I agree that the board listings are way to big and the individual thread postings are too small. Not the end of the world, but not convenient. For the most part it seems to be much ado about nothing, but perhaps I will change my mind after working with it. I still wish the OP date would show next to the OP name so I knew if it was a 4 year old thread, but CH seems intentionally oblivious to those comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    7 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed that it's nice to be able to see the first line of a collapsed thread. A feature I'd like at some point, not urgent, is to be able to re-collapse a post to the first line after having clicked on it to expand it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: ellabee

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You've got to wonder why they REMOVE something that was welcomed *and* worked with the redesign.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I think ' THINK that I am replying to you LW, but this is so catastophic, I can hardly write....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE. HORRIBLE!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Why are our threads where we are all talking 'grey'?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          What is this new 'connection' thing that connects no-one with the links at the bottom?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Where is the simple 'like' button everyone asked for? Really? We can't even be trusted to simply like things on here? It could have been coded for only a reply to reply with people who spent a certain amount of time on CH.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I say SHAME! all this is silly. I have seen NOTHING that makes my regular-user experience better.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          WhERE were the focus groups, or reaching out to regular users to ask what WE looked for in a re-design? I have NO idea who the MODS/EDITORS are trying to please. Please. PeeShaw.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Uh . . . because if it ain't broke, let's fix it!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: zin1953

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Yeah, they're good at that, it seems. :-/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          E, KaimukiMan, Aloha Kaua:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          "...CH seems intentionally oblivious..."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Pololei, Brah. They coulda made your avatar the size of the real Lēʻahi, too. The ad-to-thread ratio is now 2:5. Used to be 2:12.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Aloha,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Kaleo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: KaimukiMan

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            and yes, i was wrong, they did add the OP date. well thats two things done right.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            graphically it sucks, the typeface is hard on the eyes, and the few colors used are jarring rather than enhancing. And if they want to get rid of avatars, just do it, why make them round?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Ok, this is an edit, so I got it to work.... seems like it took them 6 months to pick a typeface and go retro with a black and white scheme so I can use my 1964 zenith as a monitor.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Dave,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              What elements from the old Chowhound were you trying to improve?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              6 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: steve h.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Love your comment, and can't believe we didn't even get a 'like' button (which NO ONE would use with this) which we were all asking for.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                What the HELL IS this ? NO improvement

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  We're not "all" asking for a like button, believe me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bbqboy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    But many, many of us have asked for one, if it could be set up to be judicious.... :)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On my laptop I saw a tied in Facebook like post count so I imagine you can like a post through Facebook, but I see no such feature on my iPod and I don't really use Facebook so it does not interest me much anyways.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But what is annoying on my iPod is having the post reply button off the screen to the right, so after typing this I have to drag the screen over to click reply.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: gingershelley

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm going to have to agree with bbqboy on the 'like' button business. On this thread I don't recall anyone expressung this desire except for you. I have seen it mentioned on other threads. I don't think this site needs to emulate Facebook. They might start uneeded legal action if a 'like' button were added. Beseides that, not everyone here is on Facebook.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Why can't you put more topics on a single page?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Like about 10 times as many topics as you have now.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It feels like you don't really want us to see any topics that are more than a couple hours old. Not a good move.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      This is really painful. Please fix this or at least let me go back to the way it was.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. As Martha says in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf?:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Sad, sad, sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. 1. Smaller font on the front page so it can load more topics again
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Ability to collapse expanded posts
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. Keep username always with no expiration time
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          4. Don't have reply/flag fade in/out, keep them showing all the time, especially on mobile.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          5. Reply to OP at bottom of thread

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          The rest I can get used to. Change is necessary, websites need to constantly update to keep with other sites changing, and change is often difficult to contend with, but some of these changes are not well thought out, or the reasons for them are not being explained.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          A font change is easy, a colour change is easy, but you seem to have a problem with keeping the username, I will never understand why you want to have it disappear.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          8 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: TeRReT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            what is this "keep the username" issue?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: DGresh

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Dave MP 12/06/12 7:30AM
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In the new design, usernames will remain in the 'last reply' timestamp for the first 2 days since the last reply. After that, it will revert to just being the date.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Of course, if an older discussion gets updated, the username will appear back in the timestamp again for 2 days.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              ----------

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I would prefer the username always remain.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              In further discussion I believe they suggested considering extending the 2 days to maybe 7 but they don't actually explain the merit or reason for username to be removed, so any number of days still does not make sense to me.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TeRReT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I don't understand the point of this "feature." I also don't understand the point of having to mouse over the reply/edit, etc. links.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ruth, seriously???

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  "Oh, wouldn't it be cool if . . . " says the junior, assistant programmer (now appointed to senior code writer).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: zin1953

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Oh, I understand that. I just don't think "because the junior, assistant programmer who just learned how to do this thinks it's cool" is a "point" for doing this.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      It's not a junior assistant programmer. It's their head honcho or honchos who want to justify their continued employment by fiddling with unnecessary redesigns. They probably already started on the next one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Also, anyone else notice that when you type too fast, some characters are dropped in the new system?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    On the mouseover, my guess is that they were thinking that it lets the eye focus on the message rather than having many other UI elements in the box which could be distracting.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    However, I don't think it's a good idea. Facebook didn't feel the need to implement something like this, not sure why it would be better here.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I really don't understand why someone would think the username feature is a good idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. re: TeRReT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Can't edit my reply, I should clarify I mean expiration of username in time stamp, not expiration of username itself, don't want to give people a heart attack

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3. This is SO AWEFUL that I can hardly speak - oh, write to you about it; why is the new interface so PALE?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It is like you expect every person who hangs out on CH to have a 20/20 eyesite; It is FREAKISH that you would turn the main threads of discussions into a GREY color!!!!!!!!!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                How can we talk to each other if everyone is paled out to a tiny fraction of their feelings and thoughts?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This is NOT a good move.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I would say, perhaps the organization, and headings are allright as you have changed them - but NO WAY should a thread going actively on should be GREY as we all reply.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Please. REALLY????????

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Who did you consult on these changes? I never saw an opportunity to be on a "board;" or an "insight committee" about what you were choosing. This is JUST ridiculous, and not inclusive of your members.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                From a long-time WFD, COTM, DOTM, and various posts person. YOU, CHOWHOUND, have not spoken to me, and left me behind in some crazy attempt to find new members, while leaving me cold - no preheating necessary, as I can't be interested in turning on the heat. YOU have messed with goodness, sugar and spice.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                SO messed up!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Bugs?:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1) When replying in iPod, post reply button is off the screen to the right.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2) Can't edit my posts after about 10 minutes despite the edit button remaining.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  3) After replying with my iPod it does not reset the screen/font size and leaves me overly zoomed in on already overly large text.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4) After editing a post on my iPod it leaves me zoomed significantly more then after a normal reply which is already too much.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Dumbed down to the lowest common denominator. Horrible. Bench your no longer relevant webmaster! Simply AWFUL call. Chow's worst yet!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Could you leave the newest post background Yellow for the duration of us viewing it rather than fading away after a few seconds?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. BUG:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I just came into this thread again by clicking the "Last Reply" - the last person replying was TeRReT with this post:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8814...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        HOWEVER - there were about 8 other posts I hadn't read in this thread, some that were timestamped prior to TeRReT's post, some that were timestamped after.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The "Last Reply" is completely useless as it will go to the LAST REPLY, wherever that might be, NOT the "First Unread" post, to which it *should* link for each User.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        By sending me to the last post in the thread, it skips over several replies to various posts of mine, as well as other replies, and I *still* have to scroll back to see if there was anything else written earlier in the thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'd rather have "Last Reply" actually go to the First Unread post in any particular thread. Otherwise, why bother having it? I'd rather use the PG DN key to quickly scroll through a long thread.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, and it's REALLY bugging me. I clicked LAST REPLY on this thread this morning, and it shot all the way down to barryg's post WAY below this one:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8814...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            And yet I had about 20-25 new posts I hadn't yet read above and below it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            STUPID. Gah. I seriously cannot believe after the last update fiasco, this downgrade wasn't tested.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. This is actually kinda comical. My 5 second reaction to your 6mo redesign was "cant see enough threads on screen without scrolling" and "where is the NEW icon"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          And apparently this is the same "5 second" reaction ~everyone else had.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Did nobody question either of these in the 6mos of testing?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Did you confuse "try to make more mobile friendly" for "must make worse design choice than much ridicules recent University of California logo change?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Both seem to be textbook failures of "What problem are you trying to solve?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Is there some place to vote to see whether the current design is polling say 90-10% against or closer to say 95% against?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          ok tnx,
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          --psb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: psb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, psb, all I can say is you got my "like' button. Not trying to be simplistic, but WHAT is this thing going on here?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            What problem WAS CH trying to solve? Why can't we see each other's posts and the following threads of othes posts and response's easier if there was supposed to be an improvement.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I guess, the core question IS, WHAT was the core improvements meant to BE? If some MOD could explain the point of all this, that would really, really help.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Otherwise, open up a MOD thread for what feedback you need about your intensions, and how it has failed, and what you were looking for....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: psb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > Both seem to be textbook failures
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              > of "What problem are you trying to solve?"

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              +1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. Hey, the Tide ads and the Pampers ads look awesome !! Follow *their* example CH.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Also, when I went to expand a reply here, it expanded it, and then immediately kicked me out of the thread. Upon re-entering the thread, the whole thread was expanded (of course).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. .. EDIT no workie for me no matter how hard I click my mouse! Can't edit recent post (<30mins old) using IE9/Win7 desktop

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                .. GREY / GREY screen background will drop my daily use from more time than it should be - to flash on off once a day.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                .. NEW icon on thread list must return. Different shades of grey for thread list, arrow in count boxes, all suck.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                .. MOBILE site ease of use is important, but a lot of us (and a big value of this site) are more extensive posters. We use a laptop or desktop and tend to share longer reports or reviews.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If I can't stand looking at the screen for >3 mins, I'm less inclined to post a review. Alternative is turning Chow posts into the 3 word twitter length yelp posts. The Diner, Anytown USA "food was good."

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Would love to hear which "users" beta-tested. What they liked and what they may have disliked in the process. You'd figure they'd chime in here...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                5 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Foody4life

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Foody4life, I suspect you're going to be waiting a LONG time to hear from those beta testers. Which is why there's no chiming in.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    yep - they already jumped shipped when they saw what was floating our way!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Yup, it seems those 'beta testers' are no one we recognize from people who hang around here alot....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Haven't seen any log-in from someone who is a dedicated chowhounder on common threads, who is saying they 'participated' in any beta-testing' or asked for their opinion about how this should look/work for those of us who USE THIS SITE?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. BTW, the new design goes really well with the new NORTH KOREA Board.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: psb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Well, this is where I would hit the ironic 'LIKE" button:)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. I can figure out and get used to the navigation and other changes but I echo the posters who mention headaches and eye strain. I don't know enough about website design to know why it happens, but I'm finding it difficult to spend a significant amount of time reading any threads, especially a long one like this. My eyes hurt and a headache is starting up after going through just some of this thread :(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I'm an iPhone only user. I've looked forward to this redesign for a long time as it was hard to participate with the old design.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I do see some improvements for mobile users but I have to agree on the font being huge.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Also, is there any way iPhone users can upload photographs to their posts? I was hoping that might be among the improvements.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          8 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Frizzle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Hmm I am using an iPod now and can upload a photo ok?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: TeRReT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I can see the input box and the camera icon but nothing happens when I press the camera icon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Frizzle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Try clicking on the white space beside the camera, the one that says upload a file 10 MB limit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Frizzle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Hmm when I click the camera or the white bar I get the option to upload with both. I am using chrome though, let me try with safari

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Frizzle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Works ok for me in safari as well

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: TeRReT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I just tried chrome with no joy either.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Frizzle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Fizzle, it looks like you may be running iOS version 5. Apple didn't enable file uploads from the browser until the most recent version (iOS 6). Working uploads are just a software update away.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Engineering

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Thank you for your response - you're right, I haven't updated to the latest version.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I find that I wait before reading anything on the site because the pages look like they're still loading, as if the white spaces are going to fill in and the text is going to snap into a "normal" appearance.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Plus, it's annoyingly buggy -- replies don't post, or they can't be edited, or you click on something that kicks you out of the thread completely.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                4 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I figured out what the "problem" is: the wide margin to the left of the topic heading looks like a space that something should be loading into. Subconsciously I'm waiting for something to load into that space. I suppose I'll get used to it, but it's an odd design element.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    "problem" is: the wide margin

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I doubt we will get used to it.I don't think it is a permanent fixture as is.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I see it more as an unoccupied row of papered store fronts in a newly finished strip mall.Billboard space for sale waiting for Ad $.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    You build it and they will come.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    There was also something from Jacquilynne about some use of it in a response to Caroline1's question regarding the old "who's reading" box at each thread that went missing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: lcool

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I wasn't referring to the excess empty space on the left side of the screen (which seems to be OS specific, since I don't have that problem on either IE or Chrome on my desktop, but do on my laptop). I'm referring to the space inside the box for the topic immediately to the left of the first letter. It's big. It's a spot that seems designed to have some kind of symbol. When you open the topic it's the space where the avatar and like/FB/Twitter buttons are, but on the topic listing page it's just a blank area that looks like it should have something (like "new").

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        OK I follow your specific "empty space" answer

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I am no guru,geek or expert in this stuff ,but
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        If in the future they were to offer isolated,limiting options for "partial" print,share etc and or email,3 posts instead of an entire thread without going through hoops and tools to do it an icon install space needs to be there.Better to add an icon/option to existing space that we are done bitching about than f8ck with us yet again,the re-tooled PAGE.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        HELL maybe,BIG maybe there will even be an icon/star/word system that actually FACILITATES a system that works for an internal CH searches.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Just a bit of forward,proactive thinking.....and I maybe dead wrong

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. This thread is quite the lynch mob...I'm going to focus on being constructive.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I like the preview text in collapsed posts. I'm clicking a lot less to get context on new replies, and I appreciate that.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Agreed about issues with font size - if you want a more mobile-readable site, or even more ad exposure, fine, make the fonts bigger. But make ALL of them bigger. I don't understand why the title of the thread is HUGE while the last poster info is tiny. This is the part that makes no sense to me, from either a usability or a design perspective.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Finally, why can't we see avatars on threaded replies? I only see them on the OP and replies to the OP - once a conversation begins, it's hard to keep straight who is talking in the subthread without their avatars next to their comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Wahooty

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I also like the preview text - very helpful.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Mobile and larger screen size sites should be separate - as is standard.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I was also wondering about the avatars on replies.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another positive is that even though this thread has grown to over 200 posts, it rendered very quickly. Before, anything over 200 posts took a while to load, even on a cable modem connection.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Edited to add (after editing a typo)...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Another quirk is that the initial response box is tiny type but when one edits a post the typeface is larger (thankfully).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. I absolutely hate it!!! This is a detestable abomination. The very large bold type is such a distraction that it kills my desire to remain on this forum. I don't know what the purpose is that you intended by this nonsensical design but it is likely to alienate a lot of long time CH users like myself.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    So long & goodbye.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. i didn't complain the last time you guys changed things (well, i did because i couldn't make the one-click access to my saved boards link - an actual problem, which STILL doesn't work - but not about general aesthetics. but this is ugly, hard on the eyes (yeah, i got a headache, even though i thought people who were saying that were being dramatic), too busy, counter-intuitive and not user friendly for the home user nor the phone user.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      i particularly hate the preview on each reply to a thread. it makes it very difficult to distinguish it from a new post - there ARE times when a reply is just one line! this feature makes for the messiest change on this site. it all feels very .... childish. of course, i'm sure you're all saying that about all of us. but perhaps listening to your most ardent, loyal followers would be prudent.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. Bug?:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I can't login to my account on my iPod without clicking reply to somebody? There is no login option displaying in the upper right corner. Have not tried with chrome as it keeps me logged in but safari was confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: TeRReT

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I see, not a bug, need to know the push the red menu bar thin in the top left which is a confusing jumble of options.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2. I hate it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1) Wasted visual space. Huge borders.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2) Wasted vertical space. Huge font size for thread titles.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3) Readability. Gray on gray is ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. You shouldn't be reading Chowhound on your mobile phone while driving.Is this why the text is so big.It's lame. Save posting for when you get home on your laptop.OMG!!, I just rear ended somebody.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. I see some people are positive on the first line being displayed in COMPACT mode. I think that is a GIANT mistake too ... in a long thread such as this, the extra text makes it much more computationally expensive to notice short new replies which are expanded.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              having a "global" piece of data like a subject field be visible in a preview mode may make sense but displaying the first line does not serve a purpose ... the point of the preview is to give you a "hint" whether to bother to click or not. something like a subject line in an email may give you a hint what the message is about. the first lime doesnt really do that ... it doesnt signal enough about the continuation. it doesnt add much more than the name of the author.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              i'm still laughing about this thread. 75%. about 25% sad.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: psb

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I seriously dislike the first line of the collapsed posts being displayed. It is messy, intrusive, busy, distracting and confusing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I agree, but be reminded that that line would be displayed anyhow. A username and timestamp would be displayed. The designers now added text to the right of it, that's all. (I'm not saying that I like it).

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Cheese Boy

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    yes, it would be, but it was distinguishable from the text in other expanded, unread posts. now it's not. (and i know you're not saying you like it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. I'm assuming the inch of dead space on each side of my laptop screen is there so that it will fill the screen on a smart phone. But that begs the question, why wouldn't you just create an app or a dedicated site for mobile users? Was mobile.chowhound.com taken? This is asinine. It doesn't include unique usability features in a mobile environment nor is it appealing on my laptop.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I've never enjoyed the CH mobile experience on my iPhone, but that was fine because I could read there and then save my replies for my laptop. Now you've ruined the laptop experience too. Thanks a lot.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                5 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: soypower

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I only use an iPhone (laptop died recently) and the new design is an improvement on the old for me. I agree with you that it would have been far simpler to create a mobile version and not change the existing version so much. An app would have been even better and I would have happily paid for it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Frizzle

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    It is not difficult these days to make "responsive design" that will fill a notebook/desktop screen but adapt to mobile and tablet screens. Seems like all that would to change is width and font size.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: barryg

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      While it is highly unlikely that anyone in Engineering will care, Adobe InDesign CS6 makes this ridiculously easy to do. I sat through a demo that took about 15 minutes to produce a page that fit on 3 different screens - laptop, tablet and smartphone. Maybe the designers need to upgrade to CS6?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: soypower

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The tool hardly matters, the main problems are in the CSS.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        That said, InDesign's not an appropriate tool for prototyping a database-driven web application.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Robert Lauriston

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I defer to your understanding of the technical matters involved. I'm still perplexed at the decision to keep one site for all users though. It just makes no sense since almost all other websites I frequent have either a mobile app or a dedicated mobile site. The ones that don't have either of those, format their page for desktop users. This is the first one I've seen that does it ass-backwards.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. I like that you can easily link to the latest post instead of having to hunt for it. I also kind of liked the preview of the posts and being able to expand them if I want to continue reading. It would be nice though, to be able to collapse any particular post as well.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  4 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: AntarcticWidow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ooh! collapse a post would be great!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: AntarcticWidow

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The problem with Latest Post is that is the LAST post - and if there were 30 replies prior to that last post? You still have to scroll back to find those open, unread posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      But I agree on the "Collapse Read" button. They *used* to have that - but for whatever reason, too it away. :-/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Seriously. That "Latest Post" link is useless!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Gaaah, you are absolutely right! I should be flogged :-P

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. A couple of things on an iPhone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1) I think someone posted already but there is no way to see more than five pages in a category. This is a pain as now the COTM and DOTM threads aren't sticky.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        2) I'm trying to find threads that I have clicked the star button on but I can't find them. Am I missing something?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Seriously? SERIOUSLY? The new layout is a disaster:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - needlessly excessive use of white space

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - fonts less readable

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - indentation / threading less apparent

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - information density needlessly diminished by at least 50%

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          - count of posts in thread and time of posting comically exaggerated.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Some of this might be understandable if the appearance was actually improved, but it's almost an excursion into early (pre-2006) CH history. Very disappointed that it now requires twice as much effort to engage the site content.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Peripatetic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            +1 The new design layout, colors, font size, etc all of it is one epic fail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Very disappointed.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Peripatetic

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              yes the look does hark back a bit to the look of the early chowhound threads - not a good thing

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. agreed with the whole font size issue. Way too much blank space and reduced content.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I REALLY hope this wasn't an "increased page view" decision for increased ad dollars that plagued web design back in the earlier days. If so that person needs to be let go.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. If older comments left in partial vew and latest comments fully opened are going to be the same font/color a thread that exceeds say 20 comments the thread starts to appear visually confusing and mashed together. In the light of day, with morning eyes on, the thread is too wordy visually. Consider a color diff btwn older and new comments. But if you took the partial comment on older remarks away every long thread under this redesign would be easier on the eyes. Right now it looks like cartoon caption bubbles floating on white space.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Yes, agreed. If going to have first line of collapsed comments (which I don't care about one way or the other), for now it's too hard to distinguish from new comments. Does seem very busy and messy.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. Very hard to read if you older...You must be going after the Hipseters

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ibew292

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Do you mean "hipsters"? There're plenty of old hipsters where I live. We zoom on our iPads to read small fonts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: GH1618

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I never had any trouble before on my Samsung Tab 10.1 reading the posts. Now I do. Glad they are improving it for you small screen ipad people. Hipseters was supposed to be a slam. Sorry you didn't get it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. This is a test...
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I can't see how to add a comment without replying to someone. So we still reply to the OP, as I appear to be doing now, and our post will then go to the "end of the line"?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    ETA.. OK it does...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I'm really frustrated that the board pages only show 20 threads now. I visit the my home board several times a day, if only for a few seconds to see what's new. I do a quick scan of threads with new posts to see if there is one that I'm interested in opening. With only 20 threads showing, I now have to navigate to a second or even third page to see which threads have new content. I am much less likely to navigate to that second page and will therefore miss out on content.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The font size and egregious use of white space harkens back to the last major redesign -- which was modified quickly to address these exact same concerns.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      On the opposite end of the font size spectrum is how ridiculously small you've made the user names in the new posts. I realize that CBS is catering to casual users who couldn't care less about who posted something, but it really matters to me (and I'm guessing to the many long time posters). I've gotten to know the posters on the boards I frequent and I know who's posts are more valuable to me than others.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      While I see value in seeing a preview of older posts in a thread, it's VERY difficult to distinguish new posts in all that sea of text.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'll just leave with these parting thoughts: Chowhound gets visits because it provides thoughtful and knowledgable content provided by regular posters. Redesigning the site for lurkers and one-hit users and ignoring the needs of the regular posters may increase traffic in the short term, but in the long term, you will see a decrease in participation from regular users and therefore a decrease in the useful content that draws eyes here in the first place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      19 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: TorontoJo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        THIS BEARS REPEATING:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Chowhound gets visits because it provides thoughtful and knowledgable content provided by regular posters. Redesigning the site for lurkers and one-hit users and ignoring the needs of the regular posters may increase traffic in the short term, but in the long term, you will see a decrease in participation from regular users and therefore a decrease in the useful content that draws eyes here in the first place.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Linda, you said much better what I tried to say in my post. Agree completely.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: masha

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Well, it was TorontoJo who said it. I just copy/pasted what was written in her post. Because it's very pertinent, IMO.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            +1,000,000. THIS. Chowhound is one of my trusted online sources for all things food, because I recognise the user names of regular posters - and after years of reading their posts, I respect what they have to say.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Those user names are a very useful part of how I navigate if I've been offline for a few days, and I'm really disappointed that someone feels the need for valuable information like that to just disappear from view.... I wish that the Powers That Be had considered consulting with the user community before making such sweeping modifications.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I haven't spent much time on the site since the redesign, normally I check in a few times a day but I have been reading this thread for only a few minutes and my head already hurts, even before I started typing this reply in what appears to be a freaking 5-point font. So for me, it's already reduced my traffic in the short term.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. re: TorontoJo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I, too, am annoyed that there are so few threads per page. Even worse is that when I open the home page on my cell phone, I only get the 20 threads without ANY means to go to page 2. You only get one page!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Ditto just about every other complaint here, especially taking away the old "NEW" icon.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: TorontoJo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                People who post on the site should be treated like customers/clients. After all, we contribute financially to the site in two ways:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. We click on the site. We click on the site a lot. Those clicks generate revenue for the site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. We provide content FOR FREE that the site then uses to generate revenue. According to the stats posted yesterday, almost 80 percent of the visits to the site are to the chowhound message boards, not to the portions of the site created by paid staff.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                So why aren't we being treated like valued customers or clients?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                They say they asked people to test the site, but apparently no one who is an actual regular user participated. Or at least, no one who will admit to it. I know I responded to the last request they sent out for people to give opinions on the site and got no response.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh, and BTW, when my company spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on carpeting and then found that the pattern was giving their employees headaches, nausea and eyestrain -- the exact same things the posters here are complaining about -- they RIPPED IT OUT.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    While it's still not ideal, have you not noticed how much less awful the appearance is today? It's not as if users are not being heard and responded to.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Unlike carpeting, software can be tweaked, full ripout isn't required.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Agreed on the tweaking vs. full rip-out.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      The claim is "The design that you are seeing is the product of 6 months of work and planning. We've conducted user testing with both casual and long-term users"........

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      and yet NOT ONE regular/long-time user has spoken up about being part of this user testing.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      If beta testing by regular and long-time users had *actually* been done, perhaps so much tweaking wouldn't be necessary.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        I'm in total agreement on those points, and it really does lead me to believe that we non mobile users (or those of us with older eyeballs) are not seen as a desirable nor important demographic to TPTB.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Given our spending ability and intense interest in food, that may be unwise, but it's their web site, and if they're trying to make us feel less than wanted or welcome, this was a very strong salvo. :-/

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Ding, ding, ding! On all points!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The tweaking has improved it, but it's still far from ideal. In other words, they're willing to modify their decision to go with a gray on gray color scheme, but not willing to admit it was a mistake and junk it.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I don't want them wasting time on mea culpas, I want them to quietly slave away and fix it. I think their efforts to do so are clear admissions of error.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mcf

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Nope. They're willing to admit they got the details wrong, but so far unwilling to admit the whole concept is wrong. Among other things, they could restore the old design while they work out the kinks and actually do some real beta testing (the fact that they've fixed some things that were both obvious and easy to fix means they clearly did NOT do that) on the new one.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Also, they could do some serious thinking about which parts of the new design are good functional design and which are attempts to be "cool" and "contemporary" that are really only important to (1) programmers who like to play with code, and (2) people who have to make presentations about their cool new site design to their bosses.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              I couldn't agree with you more. The first format was so easy to read and use, the one prior to this was worse but I could deal with it, and this is some designer's idea of what's best for us...the IT equivalent of the labels on the cans of generic food. Unfortunately, their bosses are just as clueless as they are. Reminds me of the all-but-unreadable new GMail.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Ruth Lafler

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            exactly. it seems like it has become a point of pride.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: mariacarmen

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Right now, I a, looking at 4.5 inches of thread in ocean of wasted snowblind Blank screen (available screen width for me is 12 in. So this is a good idea how? And on my android phone, it is so big and you have to tap dance (literally) to try to size down *each* page you want to read, it's a total fail. Hope they didn't pay those beta testers too much. Ah heck, they were probably only the "moderators" anyway.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As for the fact we (CH) provide 80% of the traffic and CONTENT on Chow.com, is VERY reverent because half the stuff in Chow, is a rewrite of some CH thread!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    2. Is it possible to give 'hounds the option of linking the device they use to the layout(s) offered? Such that tablet users are given the most appropriate page design; laptop users another.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I consult Chowhound most regularly on a large, desktop screen, and so the new design appears quite wrong: wrought as though I the reader were a tall, skinny model (which you have to admit is not quite right for a food site) rather than a plump & happy gourmand.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. P.S. Just now noticing that the "Edit" window has been removed. That's a [i]real[/i] mistake.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        3 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          You can still edit for 2 hours.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            The edit icon appears, but isn't working.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Phil Ogelos

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            I just opened my last comment and the Edit option is listed. Try re-opening your comment, Phil O.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          3. Is anyone else seeing the irony in the fact that younger posters are saying the design must be for old people and older posters are saying the design must be for young people?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            This tells me that it's un-readable for everyone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. Just wondering where the Report button is now residing. Not that I'm about to report anyone...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              3 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Gio

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                lol...that's our FLAG button...and when opened the Flag comment box resides very close to your reply button....so keep that in mind, Gio.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Ha... thanks HJ. Me thinks I've been reported more than just a few times already...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                2. re: Gio

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  The Report button is now the Flag button just to the left of the Reply arrow. Brings up the same dialog box.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                3. Thought I would sleep on it....see if It was all better in the AM....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  NOPE!!! Still Totally and completely Sucks!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  How sad......

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. Unappealing new look. Difficult and confusing to look at. Please consider tweaking and/or going back to the old look.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. Hate it. I suspect that I'll become a much less frequent reader/poster. May still post when I have a question that needs answering but much less likely to contribute to threads started by others because the functionality is so much diminished, for all the reasons others have mentioned.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. The lack of any real beta testing (or responses from those who beta tested, if they exist) and the very few responses from Chow managers or product team members regarding these "downgrades" is rather telling.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        You're going for the quick-hit folks vs. the long-time posters with your redesign. Quick hits come and go; the long-time posters are part of your bread and butter. Those long-time posters (me) will come here less frequently because it's just too unwieldy to use.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        4 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            +1000 LindaWhit

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            ... after 200+ comments, it's apparent that long time Chowhound users would like the site developers to PYKAG!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Foody4life

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              edit (since EDIT still won't work IE9/Win7 laptop): 300+ comments.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Foody4life

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                BUG report for mods:

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                using IE9/Win7 laptop. Edit button functions only while still active in the current thread. Example, I post a reply, the reply appears in the current thread and I can click Edit to make a change. The Edit box opens and the reply is available for editing as normal.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                If I navigate back (out of the thread) and click to re-open the thread, the Edit button does not function for my most recent post(s). All within the two hour timeframe.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          2. I know that each and every Site design change that Chow-CH has done, in the 6 years I've been a member has met with multiple amounts of dislike. This is now the worst.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            Instead of making an Chow app for smart phones and tablets, you have made the site itself an app that fails quite badly. I just tried this on my phone and just like here, it fails. It is TOO BIG on my phone. Everything about it is much worst, now. I've been sliding away from CH, more and more this past year, due to a few factors, most editorial, but now this "design" shows that Bling is now where CH is headed and content is going out the door.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Quine

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              >>> I know that each and every Site design change that Chow-CH has done, in the 6 years I've been a member has met with multiple amounts of dislike. This is now the worst. <<<

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Agreed. however, since nothing ever changed from those changes, I'm confident nothing will ever change here . . . god forbid, one admits to making a(n expensive programming) mistake -- fear of the pink slip trumps all.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Quine

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                on my new Android, the site is much more accessible with this change - it can more quickly be properly sized and is locked in a viewable position and doesnt float right and left, However, following threads and moving around my boards (sorry, "categories" - I guess the PTB thought that "board" was an outmoded term - is much less intuitive

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                It seems like all these issues like sizing for the different ways the user accesses should be dealt with by the site software designers - I would question why WE should have to address this on our individual devices. Its not like the tablet is the only way Chowhounds view this, at all.....

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. This redesign may work on an iPad or iPhone but it is WRETCHED in the Droid environment. I can not pinch down the excessive size on anything which makes reading and replying almost impossible. Also ehere is the link to the profile page in the mobile version?

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                This "update" is hideous and unusable. My boss would have taken discplinary action against me if I released something as poorly executed as this redesign. It has no redeeming features. CH is following in the footsteps of the Food Network and dumbing the site down beyond belief.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                6 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  To get to your profile page in mobile from from a discussion thread you now have to click on the menu (three horizontal red bars to the left of the word "CHOW"). I much preferred being able to access my profile page directly since I do it so often.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Thanks JoanN, I tried that this morning but didn't see the link to the profile page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I just checked my smartphone again and clicking on the 3 bars doesn't yield a link to the profile page on the Droid platform. There are links to everything *except* the profile page :-(

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Don't you see your name at the top in blue? Click on that and it takes you to your profile page. At least, it does on my iPhone.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: JoanN

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Ah, ha...found it. I've had some problems pinching down the page size to fit my phone screen and it wasn't visible. Thanks.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      2. re: DiningDiva

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        try clicking on your name in the top left of the 3 bar menu, i believe that will yield your profile

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        er i am slow to reply, my bad

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  2. I'm usually one to give changes a chance, but this new format is really horrible. All the different shades of gray really do give me a headache. I HATE, hate, hate the large font on the topics screen. I rarely search past the first page on any topic and this will make it worse. I find it hard to find the new replies on a board, the colors blend too much. The reply font size in incredibly small and hard to read. I miss the "new" bubble for threads that I'm watching.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    What I wish Chowhound had done is added a like button for posts I like but don't want to comment on. Add an option to be removed from a thread I no longer want updates on.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    I don't know who these beta testers are, but they didn't do a very good job. Chowhound should have recruited those of us who are most active.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    Poor showing Chowhound IT dept. If you're not going to make it better, at least don't make worse.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    1. I tried the site on my ipod touch this morning (the only mobile I use,) to see if the experience was better for me than on my laptop. It's not. (And I don't really contribute content of any length on my ipod on any site, I would never type up a restaurant review or even a recipe on it, for example, so the experience on an actual computer and not a device is far more important to me.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I thought maybe I was just tired last night and that's why it was causing eye strain but now it's morning and I'm well rested with a cup of coffee in me and it's still really unpleasant. (I'm really trying to give it a chance here... but I really really think it's awful.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm not trying to be rude by saying this but it reminds me of the early very unsophisticated message boards of the AOL era... and there are good reasons they don't look or operate like that any longer.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      A roll back would be a good idea.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      1. The topic's font is overly large, and the board it belongs to is a bit small. Why change the old font proportions dramatically? Harder to skim multiple thread titles and harder to try mentally filtering the topics on the main chowhound page.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Also hate that there's less topics per page.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        The color scheme and other graphics are alright. I currently feel indifferent, but will probably warm to them.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        1. I like the new design - though I would agree that I'd like to see more postings on each page - there is an awful lot of blank space. It makes things jump to the next page very quickly when you are just browsing the recent posts...

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          I used to go to the bottom of the page and scroll and read my up.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          1. I like the link at the top with "latest post," but you need to go a LOT further with it. Unfortunately, if you click it and there are some "older" posts than the "newest" further up, you miss posts. Please, please, please, make it float down the lefthand side of the screen so it can be used to navigate ALL of the posts since the user's last visit to the thread. This would be a huge upgrade.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2 Replies
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            1. re: davis_sq_pro

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              As I've repeatedly said - the "Latest Post" needs to actually be "First Unread" for that particular User.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Otherwise, "Latest Post" is completely useless.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                            2. I miss the separation by day on the boards pages. There are some boards with less activity that I catch up on every few days rather than daily, and I liked being able to easily see how far back I'm looking. Since I may not open any of the posts as I scan the board, I often can't tell by color (dark/light gray) where I left off. I realize you have the date of the last post listed for each one, but I am finding it much harder to find the spot where I left off if I have to calculate the date and watch for it, since the day of the week is no longer displayed anywhere, and all the posts are running together.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              This is a case where I'd rather see some extra space taken up for the benefit of clarity of the posts.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              (My very first reactions were FONT IS TOO BIG, where is the "new" icon, and too much space is being wasted, but those have been thoroughly covered by everyone else. I'm trying to get used to the light/dark gray differences but it's definitely a big adjustment.)

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1 Reply
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: hbg1

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                But they're not boards anymore, they're "categories". Urgh! I guess that's yet another way to dilute CH into Chow. I wouldn't be surprised if, before too long, the term Chowhound were completely eliminated from this site.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Right now, I'm only following this thread to see what will happen with the new design. I can't be bothered to deal with this horrible new interface.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              2. Okay, I tried. I really did. I popped back on a few times last night and now this morning, and I just can't. It hurts my eyes and there's nothing intuitive about the functionality. Plus, the post column is much too narrow, and it looks like it was just plunked down in the middle of a design created on an entirely different platform. There's absolutely no continuity between this part and the rest of the clutter bordering it, and it's all just a clunky mess to my eye. If the site had looked like this when I first stumbled upon it years ago I wouldn't have bothered sticking around.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                I know you all worked on this for a long time so I hate to trash your effort, but I'll be taking a vacation from Hounding for now...all the while hoping this new design goes the way of the last one so I can get back to enjoying it & participating.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                1. Absolutely horrible. Hard on the eyes. Poorly designed. Ugly.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  1. I'm going to give the CH Engrs. time to work thru the feedback and spend my limited CH time watching: Comedians In Cars Getting Coffee. I see no point in hammering the same well points made already over and over.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    See you in a week!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    <