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coakes Dec 2, 2012 11:29 AM

I didn't see a "cookbook" board so thought I would post here. I realize there can never be only one cookbook that represents an entire culture but I am wondering if there are some few "go to" cookbooks for Italian cooking like "The Bread Bible" or "The Bread Makers Apprentice" is to baking?

Understood they may be region-specific (i.e. Tuscan, coastal, etc.)

My wife and I both love cooking and eating Italian and have a decent collection of cookbooks, but we're always looking to expand the repertoire!

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    escondido123 Dec 5, 2012 11:18 AM

    Not Classic at all--for that I like Bugialli and the "Saveur Cooks Authentic Italian"--is "Cucina Simpatica" by the couple who started Al Forno in Providence, often on the best restaurants in America lists. They were making grilled pizza, baked pasta and crostadas very early in the game and this book will help you create outstanding dishes, and their sausages roasted with grapes is wonderful. It's a fairly small book and one I use regularly.

    1. mudcat Dec 5, 2012 09:06 AM

      "Ada Boni's Talismano della Felicita is universaly recognized in Italy as the standard national cookbook" This quotation is from the Foreword of Matilde La Rosa 's translation of the book. My copy was published by Crown Publishers, New York in 1950. Scungilli Marinara is just one of my favorite recipes from the book.

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        hambone Dec 5, 2012 11:04 AM

        Do you have an issue with finding ingredients?

        Some of the old timey Italian cookbook authors make me feel like we can't get the same X here as they "used to get in Roma."

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          roxlet Dec 5, 2012 11:08 AM

          I posted about this book up-thread. Mine is an old copy too, and as I mentioned there, this edition is clearly targeted to Americans who couldn't get many of the same ingredients as the Italians could. For example, you will find bacon instead of guanciale listed as an ingredient. This is a real old-timey cookbook.

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            hambone Dec 7, 2012 04:38 AM

            Thanks. Maybe if I'm good for the next few weeks, Santa will bring me a copy.

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            Hey roxlet- which would you ask Saint Nick for, Talisman or Regional (or would you want both and suggest to Mrs Hambone that it was really in her best interest....)

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              roxlet Dec 7, 2012 05:04 AM

              I think Regional, and Mrs. Hambone could probably get it for very little Here's one for $4.44 in "good" condition.
              http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=8277047800&searchurl=an%3Dada%2Bboni%26sts%3Dt%26tn%3Ditalian%2Bregional%2Bcooking

              And more from Amazon. I believe it's been out of print for quite some time.
              http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listin...

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                hambone Dec 7, 2012 05:13 AM

                Thanks.

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                  hambone Dec 21, 2012 02:34 PM

                  It was on my Amazon wish list. Now it isn't....

                  I can't wait till Christmas.

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              mudcat Dec 10, 2012 06:21 AM

              I sub where I have to. Country ham for pancetta when I can't get pancetta, etc.

              I put this in the wrong place !!!

          2. chefMolnar Dec 5, 2012 07:09 AM

            One cookbook I've been using a lot lately is In Nonna's Kitchen: Recipes and Traditions from Italy's Grandmothers (Harper Collins). It has a lot of recipes I haven't found elsewhere, great tips, and hey--who can you trust if not someone's Nonna?

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              roxlet Dec 5, 2012 07:49 AM

              I have that as well. It is also wonderful!

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                lisaonthecape Dec 21, 2012 02:49 PM

                I love this book! The ribollita recipe is fabulous and one of our family favorites. Carol Field's The Italian Baker is also wonderful, as is her Italy in Small Bites. Splendid Table is another favorite. Marcella's Classic Italian Cookbook usually travels with us on trips to Italy; I have an old paperback version and take it with me to the markets, so I can plan my cooking based on what is available. Another wonderfully comprehensive book is Michele Scicolone's 1000 Italian Recipes.

                Sorry--my post didn't place as expected. "This book" refers to Carol Field's Nonna's Kitchen book. Apologies for the confusion.

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                  herby Dec 22, 2012 04:30 PM

                  Lisa, posts show at the bottom when you hit "reply" but after some time reposition themselves - must be one of the glitches in the new system.

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              coakes Dec 4, 2012 10:04 PM

              All you people rock! Just sayin. Four great sounding books now in my Amazon cart!

              1. hambone Dec 4, 2012 01:44 PM

                I'm gonna go with, "The Classic Italian Cookbook" by Marcella Hazzan. The way she explains how and why to put together a whole menu is worth the price of admission alone.

                I've woo'ed several women, including Mrs. Hambone, with Mrs. Hazzan's rolled stuffed pasta. Her Pan Roasted Chicken with Rosemary is divine... I'm getting hungry just thinking about it.

                I'll pull out others for certain things, e.g. Mario Batalli gets props for some great meatballs. But I always go to Classic Italian first.

                1. herby Dec 4, 2012 12:44 PM

                  Lindia Bastianich books. I only have one but watch her shows when they come to PBS and love them.

                  1. JuniorBalloon Dec 4, 2012 12:15 PM

                    I would add Paul Bertolli's Cooking by Hand.

                    jb

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                      Westy Dec 4, 2012 11:41 AM

                      Red Sauce: The Sicilian Gentleman's Cookbook. Patsy's. North End Italian

                      Interesting and actually very good: Frankie's. Jamie's Italy

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                        smtucker Dec 4, 2012 08:18 AM

                        We just explored My Calabria as the Cookbook of the Month, and I found the recipes to be wonderful. This is clearly a very regional cookbook.

                        Hazan is of course, one of the major go-to's.

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                          roxlet Dec 4, 2012 08:25 AM

                          Her eggplant parm will rock your world!

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                            herby Dec 4, 2012 08:38 AM

                            Is it Hazan's? In which book?

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                              roxlet Dec 4, 2012 11:29 AM

                              No, in My Calabria. It was light, yet really flavorful and delicious. No frying.

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                                herby Dec 4, 2012 12:40 PM

                                Oh, I do not have that book. Maybe the recipe is online somewhere - love eggplant.

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                                  roxlet Dec 4, 2012 01:34 PM

                                  I think if you check the thread from when it was COTM you will find the recipe. It will be paraphrased, but it is enough to make it right.

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                          mike0989 Dec 4, 2012 08:11 AM

                          I keep returning to the Splendid Table by Lynn Kasper. The recpies havn't failed me yet if I follow them

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                            CindyJ Dec 4, 2012 04:40 PM

                            I LOVE that book! And you're right -- every recipe I've ever tried from there has always turned out GREAT!

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                              angelsmom Dec 5, 2012 10:02 AM

                              Is this the correct book????
                              http://www.amazon.com/Splendid-Table-...

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                                roxlet Dec 5, 2012 11:09 AM

                                Yes, that's the one. Excellent book.

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                                  angelsmom Dec 5, 2012 12:02 PM

                                  Thanks so much

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                              Puffin3 Dec 4, 2012 06:29 AM

                              "Zuppe' by Mona Talbott. These three I use all the time:

                               
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                                sr44 Dec 3, 2012 08:27 PM

                                I think Italian cooking is an American construct, and that may help you wend your way through the boatload of Italian cookbooks available. Ed Giobbi is still a wonderful resource for this side of the pond. Ada Boni is another resource for cooking in Italy.

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                                  Jay F Dec 3, 2012 08:34 PM

                                  sr44: <<I think Italian cooking is an American construct>>

                                  Do tell.

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                                    roxlet Dec 4, 2012 08:22 AM

                                    LOL. What a pronouncement!

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                                      Jay F Dec 4, 2012 11:17 AM

                                      Lawd, I sweah.

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                                      sr44 Dec 4, 2012 12:11 PM

                                      I'd be delighted to.

                                      Cooking in Italy is an intensely regional practice. In fact, Italy only dates back to 1848 when the various components were united politically. When Italian immigrants came to the US, very few of the regionalisms crossed over into the general public. Red sauce, pasta, meatballs...

                                      With the advent of Ada Boni and others, we began to see some of the tremendous variety in the foods of Italy.

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                                        Jay F Dec 4, 2012 12:15 PM

                                        I've never read Ada Boni. I should. I know there's a difference between a lot of what I've learned from Marcella and Giuliano (or "her and him") and the food my grandmother's next-door neighbor from Naples used to make, the red sauce, pasta, and meatballs of which you speak.

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                                          roxlet Dec 4, 2012 01:34 PM

                                          Ada Boni is wonderful. In fact, her Talisman Cookbook was the only Italian cookbook my Italian-American mother owned. And the the first cookbook I ever bought for myself was her Regional Italian Cooking. To a certain extent, they are a product of their times when many, now-common, ingredients were not widely available. Because of this, you will see recipes call for bacon instead of guanciale, for example. But her regional Italian book opened my eyes to the breadth of Italian cooking. But, Jay F, you will never see Spaghetti and meatballs in any regional Italian book, since that is one of many dishes created here in America, the land of abondanza. I call it Italian Fusion food, but it is also wonderful and delicious, but quite different from anything you'll find in any part of Italy! For that food, I bought We Called it Macaroni, which is very much the food of the Italian Americans.

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                                            Jay F Dec 4, 2012 04:32 PM

                                            Thanks, Roxlet. I've gone ahead and ordered We Called It Macaroni.

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                                              roxlet Dec 4, 2012 05:10 PM

                                              There is a recipe for a crostini that is fantastic. The base is a mixture of mascarpone and ricotta, and the topping is tomatoes, sun dried tomatoes, garlic and basil, and I forget what all else. The recipe makes a ton--too much, really-- but you'll be tempted to figure out a way to eat it any way you can -- on toasted bread or even on pasta.

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                                                Jay F Dec 4, 2012 05:14 PM

                                                Oooh...that sounds so good.

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                                              Terrie H. Dec 5, 2012 07:37 AM

                                              Italian Regional Cooking was also my first Italian cookbook and I still refer to it often.

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                                                roxlet Dec 5, 2012 07:46 AM

                                                It's a great book.

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                                                Jay F Dec 20, 2012 05:40 AM

                                                Roxlet, I've been reading my copy of We Called It Macaroni, and to say this is a book I've been looking for all my life is not an overstatement. I'm thoroughly enjoying the stories and recipes. This is the kind of cooking I loved in childhood.

                                                Though I've loved Italian food practically since birth, I'm not Italian. My father was the one who introduced me to it, via his growing up next door to an Italian woman from whom he learned to cook, Lina, whose food was always my favorite in the world.

                                                When I was grown up and learning to cook on my own, I bought Marcella's first book, and though I realized her cooking was different from Lina's, it was so good I didn't explore much further.

                                                In the back of my mind, I'd always kind of wondered about Lina's cooking, but until now, I'd never read a book about it. Of course, We Called It Macaroni is that book.

                                                So thank you, Roxlet. I think this is my favorite Christmas present this year.

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                                                  roxlet Dec 20, 2012 03:13 PM

                                                  I'm so glad you are enjoying it, Jay F! And glad that you have, at last, found the book that reminds you of Lina's Italian food when you were growing up. A lot of people denigrate Italian-American food as being not Italian, which is why I call it "Italian Fusion." It's the food of Italy (and mostly southern Italy) fused with the abundance of the U.S. It's different, but still wonderful.

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                                              rudeboy Dec 5, 2012 01:50 PM

                                              That's a bunch of Bologna!

                                              ;-)

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                                          sallen Dec 2, 2012 11:53 AM

                                          I agree with Jay F and I would add "The Romagnoli's Table". It's old but has a lot of basic recipes in their original, and basic, form.

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                                            coakes Dec 3, 2012 08:09 PM

                                            Thank you both for the replies. We've been relying on TV/Celebrety Italian too much and know we are missing something here!

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                                              Jay F Dec 3, 2012 08:20 PM

                                              Look, Coakes - You can get Giuliano's first book in VG condition for $4.00 (0.01 for the book, 3.99 shippping) on Amazon Marketplace. It might be the most interesting four bucks you spend all month.

                                              http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listin...

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                                              grampart Dec 4, 2012 08:58 AM

                                              +1 on "The Romagnoli's Table".

                                            3. Jay F Dec 2, 2012 11:39 AM

                                              Lots of people will tell you to go first to Marcella Hazan. Early on, she changed my way of thinking about cooking, putting forth the idea that you should plan your menu as you shop rather than being slave to a shopping list. Invaluable advice. If nothing else, you should learn to make her Lasagne Bolognese.

                                              But let me also suggest Giuliano Bugialli's cookbooks, starting with THE FINE ART OF ITALIAN COOKING. As much as I like Marcella, and even though I discovered her first, I make pasta Bugialli's way, with salt and a little olive oil. Giuliano made pasta making so much easier for me.

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                                                Splendid Spatula Dec 4, 2012 08:42 AM

                                                Plus one on both of these reccos. Years ago, my mother went to Marcella's and Giuliano's cooking schools, at the time in Bologna and Florence respectively. We've eaten well ever since, and in our house, they are just referred to as She and He (as in, "well, She says to put nutmeg in . . . ).

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                                                  Jay F Dec 4, 2012 11:19 AM

                                                  She and he...that's it. Thanks a million.

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                                                    Splendid Spatula Dec 10, 2012 11:04 AM

                                                    I should note that it is all about context. If we're not in Italian mode, then She is Julia (there are no other She's) and He might be Jacques Pepin, or in the old days someone like Craig Claiborne or James Beard. They are all worthy!

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                                                  calumin Dec 5, 2012 02:01 PM

                                                  I learned to cook from Giuliano Bugialli's Classic Techniques of Italian Cooking, I think I made almost every dish in that book. His lasagna recipe is the best one I've ever used. I've probably bought 150 cookbooks since then but that is still my favorite.

                                                  Hassan's Essentials of Classic Italian Cooking is also great.

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                                                    roxlet Dec 5, 2012 02:59 PM

                                                    I'm glad to see Giuliano getting a little love. It seems like Marcella usually gets the majority of mentions.

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