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What does "fait maison" at a restaurant mean?

RandyB Nov 25, 2012 05:44 AM

Literally, it means homemade. In reality, it means nothing.

This was on a TV show last night. Apparently, the only rule is that the restaurant has to do something to a dish before serving it. The example was a souris d'agneau (lamb shank). It was precooked, packaged, and frozen with gravy at an industrial food factory.

The narrator/chef put the package in a microwave to heat it. Then he plated it with rice and a garnish of parsley. He sprinkled a little salt on and called for a waiter to serve it. In fact, he said he could legally call it "fait maison" just by sprinkling on the salt.That's depressing.

Contrast this with the strict legal definition of "boulanger" or "boulangerie." French law defines a boulanger as one who chooses their ingredients, kneads the dough (presumably using a machine is ok), controls the rest of the process, and does the baking on site. No stage (French word "stade" in the law) of production may be frozen.

I haven't found the history of this 1998 law. Maybe the artisan bakers wanted to protect their turf from chain bakeries and supermarkets, which can only call themselves "dépots de pain." Or maybe the chains wanted to make it too expensive for small bakeries to compete.

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  1. Njchicaa RE: RandyB Nov 25, 2012 05:45 AM

    "House-made"

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      Ptipois RE: Njchicaa Nov 25, 2012 06:15 AM

      Thanks for the translation, but I think the question was rhetorical.

      TV shows are TV shows. Need I say more?
      Yes: never trust anything shown on TV that was staged for demonstrating something. After trying to direct the shooting of five food-related documentary films, I have grown quite aware of that.

      I don't expect that the show mentioned the simple fact that being able to legally call something "fait maison" does not imply that many people will do it. For the sake of demonstration, the manipulation had to be presented as a fact.

      But in real life I have never seen "Jarret d'agneau fait maison" on a restaurant menu. That would sound very, very weird.

      In the great majority of cases (and I fail to remember any case in the minority) nobody feels the need to label "fait maison" or "maison" anything that is not prepared in the kitchen from scratch. What's the point?
      Actually "fait maison" or "maison" is a fairly rare mention on any menu. And it is rarely used abusively, even if there's a possibility to do that. If someone wants to serve you ready-made crap, they will not call it "fait maison crap", they will just serve it and that's that.

      I have certainly eaten, in one restaurant or another, some stuff that was plated after reheating and bought at Metro. Probably more than once. I don't remember seeing the "fait maison" mention anywhere.

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        RandyB RE: Ptipois Nov 25, 2012 06:27 AM

        First when I said "homemade," I was thinking more of the American restaurant equivalent to "fait maison."

        Second, I had not thought much about the "fait maison" before the show, although I had seen it. Today while walking from my apartment to the Bastille market and a bit around the general neighborhood, I quickly saw two examples of "fait maison." One was in a restaurant window; the other was on the chalkboard menu.

        Honestly, I have no idea how common it is for restaurants in France to cheat on the presumed (if not legally required) understanding of "fait maison." Certainly, there have been many articles and books (not just that tv show) decrying the number of restaurants that serve pre-made, frozen main courses. Apparently this does not have to be disclosed, either. So "fait maison" would just add insult to injury.

        I think the restauranteur interviewed was really arguing for a general disclosure requirement when industrial foods are served. He also pointed out the those foods may contain all sorts of additives that would not be in any normal recipe.

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          Ptipois RE: RandyB Nov 25, 2012 07:55 AM

          Yes, I understand all that. My point is that the existence of a TV show hightlighting the fact that no law (as yet) defines what can be labeled as "fait maison" cannot be held as evidence that "fait maison" is generally the object of fraud.

          And it is above all that "fait maison" is a relatively rare occurrence on restaurant menus;
          it is not worth adding to cheat the customer since, theoretically, most of what is served is already supposed to be "fait maison". When it is not, restaurateurs just serve it, they don't bother to "add insult to injury" as you say.

          "Fait maison" is used mostly for manufactured foods that *could* be made outside of the premises and generally are (terrine, confit, jams, liqueurs, some pastries, etc.) when the chef has made a point of making them himself. From which you can infer that a salad or a soup won't need to be labeled "maison", but a tarte or a terrine will. Therefore it is more likely to be a sign of personal pride than of treachery. There may be a problem with terminology, but "fait maison" is not really part of it.

          You are not the first person who brought up the comparison between restaurants and boulangeries, saying it would be good to have a legal definition for restaurants and the food they serve of the same type as the one existing on bread and boulangeries. The argument is pertinent but flawed in practice, because bread is a simple product and restaurant food is an extremely complex product. It is easy to define a boulangerie as a place where flour is mixed with water, yeast and salt, then kneaded, shaped, baked and sold. It is not so easy to define a restaurant as a place where all raw foods are transformed, cuisined, and served. Restaurant cooking is based on many different things which naturally include ready-made goods, some of them industrial or processed to various degrees (hence powdered stocks but also soy sauce, chocolate, oil, sugar, fruit purees, nougat, dried fruit, chorizo…). Where do you draw the line? If there should be a regulation on industrial foods in restaurant kitchens, defining its contents would not be an easy task.

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            RandyB RE: RandyB Apr 16, 2013 09:10 PM

            I think current news confirms the relevance of the TV comment that I paraphrased here: "He also pointed out the those foods may contain all sorts of additives that would not be in any normal recipe."

            How about horse meat as an additive? Today le Monde reports tests showing over 13% of prepared beef dishes contain horse meat. I don't think it was restaurants that really make their dishes from scratch, i.e., fait maison, that were sneaking in the horse meat.

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            John Talbott RE: Ptipois Nov 25, 2012 06:51 AM

            "I have certainly eaten, in one restaurant or another, some stuff that was plated after reheating and bought at Metro" I have one friend who like Pti, delights in uncovering Metro dishes lightly altered/adulterated.
            And as always i agree with her, this time about TV, which like Hollywood, presents a different reality than that we hope for.

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              Busk RE: John Talbott Nov 25, 2012 11:46 AM

              I can't stand it when my Metro microwave dishes are messed by restaurants. Metro does a fine job on its own.

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          vielleanglaise RE: RandyB Nov 25, 2012 12:58 PM

          I see the term "Fait Maison" more often in traiteurs, charcuteries and specialist food shops than in restaurants and almost always between inverted commas where I think it often belongs - as in: "we're underlining our ironic (ie misleading) use of the term "fait maison" by placing it between these inverted commas"...

          In my neighbourhood, there's a butcher who chatting about this and that, happily cuts through the cellophane of the huge tubs of his "home made" pâté (apparently, he resides in a factory) and a traiteur whose suppliers leave giant cans of his "homemade" hoummous outside on the street,

          Boulangeries have gotten better for bread. However, only a small minority of the vienoisserie (croissants, pains au chocolat, chaussons aux pommes...) and pastries (éclairs, st honorés, millefeuilles...) are made on the premises.

          1. Rio Yeti RE: RandyB Nov 26, 2012 01:31 AM

            I once ate at a restaurant in London where someone at my table asked if the "insert random dessert here" was homemade. The server replied with a definitive yes, to which my dining friend answered "So it is made in house ?", the nice and a bit clueless server said "No, it is homemade but somewhere else and they bring it everyday to the restaurant...".

            So was that homemade ? (after having had the dessert, I can say it wasn't).

            On a side note. Besides a few dishes, as Ptipois mentioned, that are "usually" not homemade, and therefore benefit from the added term, when a restaurant says something is "homemade" I always feel it means everything else isn't... Needless to say I try to stay away from those restaurants.

            1. ipsedixit RE: RandyB Apr 16, 2013 09:15 PM

              It means the item is 15% more expensive than it should be.

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                Ptipois RE: RandyB Apr 17, 2013 12:04 AM

                In fact "fait maison" means absolutely nothing as long as there is no legislation regulating the term.

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                  DeppityDawg RE: Ptipois Apr 17, 2013 02:31 AM

                  That is the problem, because the majority of customers in French restaurants assume that it means what it says. And they may be more likely to order the item, and willing to pay more for it. I would like to believe, like you, that most restaurateurs would not abuse the term, but they are business people after all, and where there is easy money to be made by lying, and zero legal risk… well, buyer beware.

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                    Ptipois RE: DeppityDawg Apr 19, 2013 12:01 PM

                    On the other hand, there is such a thing as bad fait maison.

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                      mangeur RE: Ptipois Apr 19, 2013 01:52 PM

                      Indeed. Bad fait maison knows no borders, only hubris.

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                        DeppityDawg RE: Ptipois Apr 19, 2013 02:26 PM

                        Which raises a question: Would you rather eat bad "fait maison" or acceptable Metro fare? No fraud involved, no difference in price, same service/atmosphere, etc. But those are your only choices.

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                          Ptipois RE: DeppityDawg Apr 19, 2013 03:40 PM

                          Metro fare can be pretty good, and - not that I mean to excuse restaurateurs who rely on Metro as a rule - I'd rather have some decent Metro fare than something on the bad side of homemade. But then we're in "a good sardine is better than a bad lobster" territory. It is absolutely no excuse to be a bad cook when you are a chef.

                          I also have seen starred chefs shop at Metro for particularly large fish that were impossible to sell through classic distribution because of their size. That is often where 15-pound turbots come from.

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                            RandyB RE: DeppityDawg Apr 20, 2013 02:57 PM

                            Getting back to the original post (mine), I think the question raised was what do consumers have the right to know, not what is "best" for consumers.

                            Why have, or enforce, the AOC labeling or "Made in ..." Sometimes a similar product from Asia cannot easily be distinguished from the local version. Manufacturers not protected by the labeling rules say consumers don't need the information, they should just taste the product and decide. They give the same answer for GMO crops and artificial flavorings.

                            If the menu says Escargots de Bourgogne but they serve a mix with 75% from Romania, is that ok if most customers don't notice the difference? I say no, absolutely not. That doesn't mean that a restaurant serving pure Escargots de Bourgogne prepared "fait maison" will never do a lousy job - too old, overcooked or reheated, etc. That is just a different issue.

                            Bringing this back to fait maison, there were two issues. One is whether customers have the right to know that a "fait maison" product is, for example, really a factory prepared dish that the local chef added salt and parsley to. To me, this is a case where "fait maison" is just false. The restaurant should say nothing. If a customer cares, they can ask, of course.

                            Second is whether there is a higher chance of unexpected chemicals or other adulteration in a factory product than one fait maison. In the TV show, this question was answered "yes" simply by reading the label of the frozen souris d'agneau. It is also answered "yes" by the recent horse meat stories. The horsemeat appeared in pre-prepared foods that were labeled "beef." Sure, a local restaurant could make the same substitution. It's just much less likely.

                            I have eaten horse meat and have nothing against it. But it should be MY choice. Same goes for "fait maison."

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                              DeppityDawg RE: RandyB Apr 20, 2013 05:07 PM

                              I think everyone here will be mostly in agreement with you in principle. But then there are the practical questions. Concerning the first point, Ptipois already explained how difficult it would be to make "fait maison" an enforceable legal designation. On the other hand, "difficult" does not imply "unnecessary" or "not worthwhile", and laws exist in part to draw somewhat arbitrary lines in gray areas. On the other other hand, choosing to eat in a restaurant means letting someone else make some choices for you about what you're going to eat and letting go of the idea that you can know every last detail of where the food comes from and how it's prepared.

                              As for the second point, industrial food preparers are at least supposed to declare their ingredients truthfully, and there is supposed to be some verification and accountability. The system is not infallible, but at least there is a system. For a homemade dish someone can just say "so sorry, family secret"...

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                                Ptipois RE: DeppityDawg Apr 21, 2013 01:55 AM

                                I said it certainly would be "difficult", but I do not mean undesirable. I'm 100% with Xavier Denamur on that subject. It is all a matter of proportion and common sense. There certainly is a middle ground between slipping your souris d'agneau ready-cooked with its colloidal sauce from a Metro plastic pouch and hiking through the Cambodian mountains to get peppercorns from the vine for your restaurant. Evidently some foods are always bought ready-prepared: spices, condiments, and of course there are dry goods, cheeses, and even some recipes that are just as good if not better if made elsewhere (canned cassoulet, confit de canard). The problem is mostly "plats cuisinés" and sous-vide dishes that could and should be made from scratch on the premises. According to what I've heard recently, a legislation could be on its way to control that sort of thing and get the labeling to be more accurate.

                                I totally agree with you on the last part of your first paragraph: 'letting go of the idea that you can know every last detail of where the food comes from', etc. It is only when you get an unpleasant feeling from something that your alert lights go red.
                                As it happened to me last week, as I was visiting a restaurant near the Eiffel Tower (you won't go there). The day's special was gaspacho soup. Actually they had remixed (proper use of the term!) some store-bought Alvalle gaspacho soup (the taste is unmistakable) with some old bread and added some Cayenne pepper to make it taste more homemade. It was a disaster. There is really no way to see that coming. Except maybe going to a trusted restaurant.

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                                  RandyB RE: Ptipois Apr 21, 2013 03:10 PM

                                  Ditto, Ptitpois.

                                  For those unfamiliar with Xavier Denamur, he is a chef on a crusade against the declining quality of French restaurant food and the illusory quality of Michelin stars. He produced a movie on the subject called "République de la Malbouffe" (Republic of Crap Food). You can google him in English or French for lots more info.

                                  He admits he invented the now widely quoted statistic that 70% of all restaurant food is industrially produced. No one knows for sure what the real number is.

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                                    PhilD RE: Ptipois Apr 21, 2013 03:46 PM

                                    I agree very desirable. It's really needs to be a law to rid the industry of deceptive practices. Raw ingredients are easily excluded, supplied finished products like cheese can be dealt with by specifying that if not house made then the supplier should be specified (as many do with cheese suppliers). Food that is bought in should, by law, not be labelled as home made, or represented as such. Even those like confit or cassoulet should be included - after all one places do their own and o it well.

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                                      Ptipois RE: PhilD Apr 21, 2013 04:57 PM

                                      Did it ever happen to you - it happens to me regularly - to be proposed some house wine, and when you ask "where is the wine from?" you get a dirty look?
                                      And if you insist, you get snapped at - "it's a vin du Languedoc" or something else, as if there were product origins to be ashamed of?
                                      Likewise, if I ask about the origin of some ingredients, I see some faces darken.
                                      That kind of thing tends to spoil my experience.
                                      Wishing to know the provenance of things is a basic need of customers that should be readily understood by restaurateurs. Some do not always get it.

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                                LMDLV RE: DeppityDawg Jan 8, 2014 06:21 PM

                                I'd rather eat bad fait maison with fresh ingredients than Metro fare. Once you are accustomed to " non industrial food" , you can tell when something is real, fresh and home-made ! . Industrial for has this particular, unexplainable but tastable flavor ….. Problem is most restaurant customers eat industrial pizza's and stuff at home and are therefore incapable of making the difference,.. not their fault .. it is just because their palate is too accustomed to junk food

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                                  Rio Yeti RE: LMDLV Jan 9, 2014 12:53 AM

                                  I don't know... when I buy a Knorr soup, it always have this same taste (across all flavors)... although they say they don't use "exhausteurs de gout", they still list "extrait de levure" as an ingredient, which is just that...
                                  But every time I go to one of those fast lunch places when I work in an agency, that serves soups, salads, sandwiches... and I get a soup, it's "natural"... ahem... "homemade"... but bland ! It seems most people don't even know how to build flavor from a simple soup.

                                  So to go back to your comment... which do I prefer ?
                                  - "Yeast extract" tasting soup, which tends to unify all soups ?
                                  - Or bland tasting soup... which does the same...

                                  I can't answer this.

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                                    Ptipois RE: LMDLV Jan 9, 2014 01:52 AM

                                    You probably never had some really bad fait maison, lucky you.

                          2. RandyB RE: RandyB Jul 13, 2014 10:40 PM

                            There now is a definition of "fait maison." It is a law from March of this year, No. 2014-344.

                            I guess it is an improvement, though based only on le Monde's story and not reading the actual text, it seems there are more loopholes than actual rules. Agribusiness lobbyists had a field day, making sure anything prepared from frozen ingredients, soup stocks, basic pastry (like you buy frozen at the supermarche), and ingredients received chopped/boned/filleted or otherwise prepared for cooking, are allowed as part of "fait maison."

                            So, the so-called pastry chef goes to Monoprix and buys some frozen, prepared pâte feuilleutée. She defrosts some frozen apple slices, puts them on half a square of the frozen pàte, folds over the pâte, pops it in the oven and voila, chaussons aux pommes "fait maison."

                            I an accept that things like cheese and wine are made ouside the restaurant. But pastry should be made in house or not called "fait maison." You couldn't get away with that in France if it were bread.

                            A restaurant can even call dishes prepared elsewhere as "fait maison" if the elsewhere preparer follows the law and their name is stated. "House made spaghetti Spago" at some other L.A. restaurant.

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                              Ptipois RE: RandyB Jul 14, 2014 05:48 AM

                              This law is nothing but a demonstration of the utter impossibility to legislate on the question of "fait maison". Only a cook living in autarcy on top of a mountain or on a remote island is likely to work 100% from scratch. The best cooks and chefs use processed products everyday. And processed means stuff like flaky pastry (bought and used frozen even in 3-star restaurants), antipasti in oil, dried pasta, canned chickpeas, preserved lemons, confitures, cured ham (just try to make your own jamon ibérico de bellota ham at home), confit de canard is a preserve and what matters is how it is made, not where, the best cassoulet often comes in cans, so you see it is difficult for a legislator to have a proper grasp on the matter.

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                                Rio Yeti RE: Ptipois Jul 14, 2014 06:07 AM

                                "just try to make your own jamon ibérico de bellota ham at home"

                                If only I could...

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                                  Ptipois RE: Rio Yeti Jul 14, 2014 06:42 AM

                                  Yeah, I know the feeling.

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                                  RandyB RE: Ptipois Jul 14, 2014 09:09 AM

                                  I don't know if I ever read the label on frozen pâte feuilletée in France. In the US, it looks like the annual prospectus for Dow Chemical. It contains ingredients that most restaurants couldn't easily buy.

                                  Pâte feuilletée is not a basic ingredient. The butter in the pâte (made elsewhere for sure) is an ingredient. The pâte is a principal end product. Do you really think this should qualify as "fait maison"? I don't.

                                  Many restaurants chop the vegetables, separate the eggs, peel the fruits, etc. Under the law, none of this is necessary for "fait maison."

                                  It looks like MacDo is a "fait maison" restaurant now, except that their frozen fries were expressly excluded from the law.

                                  Here's an analogy. The first drafts of the USDA law defining "organic" were written by the agribusiness lobbyists. It included many exceptions based on supposed difficulties of compliance. For example, and this is just rough from memory, one was that if organic feed prices went higher than X% above non-organic feeds, the cheaper feed could be substituted with the meat still getting the "organic" label.

                                  I see a similarity here. Since it's supposedly too hard for some restaurants to make their own pastry, chop their own vegetables, separate their own eggs, make their own mayonnaise, etc., let them have the "fait maison" anyway.

                                  What is wrong with reserving the label for restaurants that deserve it? One could exclude ingredients that people commonly expect to be made elsewhere, like most of those on your list Ptipois. Except I would not exclude any pastry or canned cassoulet.

                                  If a restaurant wanted to use frozen pâte, all they'd have to do is disclose it in the same way they disclose that their jamon is ibérico de bellota. Is that a problem? The menu could read "cerises en pâte feuilletée Monoprix" or "en pâte feuilletée Lenôtre" or "nos pâtes sont faites maison" and you, the customer, would have the choice.

                                  If the law is too difficult to write, then just ban the phrase "fait maison" as too misleading and let restaurants be more specific. It is what is happening in the US with the word "natural."

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                                    DeppityDawg RE: RandyB Jul 14, 2014 09:59 AM

                                    "It looks like MacDo is a "fait maison" restaurant now"

                                    The term "fait maison" applies to individual menu items, not to restaurants. If everything on the menu is "fait maison" (according to the legal definition published yesterday), then the restaurant can just say this once and for all. Otherwise, each menu item has to be individually identified as "fait maison" if it qualifies.

                                    Here are the relevant definitions and exceptions from yesterday's text:

                                    Art. D. 121-13-1. – I. – Un produit brut, au sens du deuxième alinéa de l’article L. 121-82-1, est un produit alimentaire n’ayant subi aucune modification importante, y compris par chauffage, marinage, assemblage ou une combinaison de ces procédés.

                                    « II. – Peuvent entrer dans la composition d’un plat “fait maison” les produits qui ont été réceptionnés par le professionnel :
                                    « – épluchés, à l’exception des pommes de terre, pelés, tranchés, coupés, découpés, hachés, nettoyés, désossés, dépouillés, décortiqués, taillés, moulus ou broyés ;
                                    « – fumés, salés ; « – réfrigérés, congelés, surgelés, conditionnés sous vide.

                                    « III. – Peuvent également entrer dans la composition des plats “faits maison” les produits suivants :
                                    « – les salaisons, saurisseries et charcuteries, à l’exception des terrines et des pâtés ;
                                    « – les fromages, les matières grasses alimentaires, la crème fraîche et le lait ;
                                    « – le pain, les farines et les biscuits secs ;
                                    « – les légumes et fruits secs et confits ;
                                    « – les pâtes et les céréales ;
                                    « – la choucroute crue et les abats blanchis ;
                                    « – la levure, le sucre et la gélatine ;
                                    « – les condiments, épices, aromates, concentrés, le chocolat, le café, les tisanes, thés et infusions ;
                                    « – les sirops, vins, alcools et liqueurs ;
                                    « – la pâte feuilletée crue ; et
                                    « – sous réserve d’en informer par écrit le consommateur, les fonds blancs, bruns et fumets.

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                                      Ptipois RE: DeppityDawg Jul 14, 2014 10:20 AM

                                      The list is interesting because it shows that the legislators have taken care to define all the groups of products that are necessarily processed before then enter almost any kitchen.

                                      This, of course, brings to mind that the "sous-vide" scandal was not so much about processed ingredients than about ready-prepared dishes plopped from a plastic bag onto a plate. In that perspective, the law text is not so bad. I can't see how it could do better. It really tries to stretch the vigilance to how far it can go.

                                      Raw pâte feuilletée is obtained after such a tedious process that only a few restaurants can make it from scratch. Sheets of frozen feuilletage as I have seen them in 3-star kitchens are based on butter and flour, they are quite good and I see no reason not to use them, and that is probably why they are included in the exceptions list.
                                      Pâtes brisées or sablées or sucrée are a far simpler affair and thus are not included.

                                      Jamon ibérico de bellota is thus announced in a menu because it is a DOP and has an origin. Pâte feuilletée has no denomination of origin so it is quite a different matter.

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                                        RandyB RE: DeppityDawg Jul 14, 2014 01:47 PM

                                        Actually, I was joking about MacDo being being a "fait maison" restaurant, except that many of their items will qualify. According to le Monde, however, the frozen potato exception to the exceptions is "de peur que McDo et compagnie ne puissent vendre du 'fait maison' ".

                                        I understood that "the term 'fait maison' applies to individual menu items." So why in hell is it so important that for a couple of menu items that include some pre-processed pâte feuilletée the poor chef needs some special dispensation to say "fait maison." If there isn't anyone in-house capable of making it, then just don't label it "fait maison."

                                        You note that "Pâte feuilletée has no denomination of origin so it is quite a different matter." It can be a heavily chemical-adulterated product when it comes from a mass producer. The chef can use it, but should not be given a free pass to call it "fait maison." Just leave the claim off the menu for that item.
                                        This is just a disclosure law - let the customer know what they're getting. It doesn't tell the chefs what they can or can't do. Lots of restaurants have never bothered with the label at all.

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                                          Ptipois RE: RandyB Jul 14, 2014 02:08 PM

                                          Everybody will soon be tired of seeing the words "fait maison" printed beside everything and nothing anyway. It really does not mean much, and cannot mean much.

                                          "It can be a heavily chemical-adulterated product when it comes from a mass producer."

                                          It can be indeed, but it is the restaurant's responsibility to know what they're buying. Processed or unprocessed. Besides, the law deals with the home-made concept, not the chemical-free concept. Maybe a disputable distinction since chemicals can be present in processed foods, but a useful one if we want to discuss the subject properly.

                                          Now, I find this insistence on the "fait maison" denomination increasingly annoying. It really does not have a lot of meaning and adds to confusion. It deals with an ideal that is impossible to attain in most circumstances, gives false ideas of what a restaurant should be, and ultimately it is no serious indicator of the quality of a restaurant. Fait-maison can sometimes be terrible and bought-outside quite decent.

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                                            RandyB RE: Ptipois Jul 14, 2014 02:37 PM

                                            Fait maison doesn't stop chemical usage in a restaurant. But as noted in the original stories about the high percentage of French restaurants using pre-prepared, complete dishes from Métro etc., a typical restaurant (good or bad) is unlikely to use those industrial chemicals in dishes they make from scratch.

                                            The regulation of labeling of bread bakeries rewarded and encouraged the artisan bakers. I thought the goal of "fait maison" was (or should have been) similar. Instead, as you point out, it will be so overused for so many items that it will become meaningless -- instead of being a benefit to dedicated chefs.

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                                              Ptipois RE: RandyB Jul 14, 2014 02:51 PM

                                              It is already meaningless, but thank goodness they managed to save the frites.

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                                    DeppityDawg RE: RandyB Jul 14, 2014 04:18 PM

                                    By the way, here is the logo that restaurateurs can use instead of writing the words "fait maison" or "maison". Look out for it starting Tuesday!

                                     
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                                      Ptipois RE: DeppityDawg Jul 14, 2014 10:57 PM

                                      Cute.

                                      (I just hope the designer charged a fortune for it.)

                                  3. John Talbott RE: RandyB Jul 14, 2014 10:23 AM

                                    I love the "except for potato" clause.

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                                      Ptipois RE: John Talbott Jul 14, 2014 10:24 AM

                                      A touch of vice does no harm.

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                                        Rio Yeti RE: John Talbott Jul 14, 2014 01:48 PM

                                        They should have added : "except for potato... come on !..." (or in french "sauf les pommes de terre... faut pas déconner quand même !")

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                                          Ptipois RE: Rio Yeti Jul 14, 2014 01:55 PM

                                          Absolument !

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