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Anyone Hoarding Twinkies?

Philly Ray Nov 16, 2012 06:52 AM

With news that Hostess will be shutting down, I'm sure we will soon be hearing stories of supermarket runs on Twinkies and other products.

Anyone joining the fun?

  1. Jpan99 Nov 16, 2012 06:53 AM

    Not the Twinkies but the Wonder Bread. I only ate that as a kid. Now I just buy it for Thanksgiving when I make my Albanian stuffing. Always use Wonder Bread. I'm getting a loaf today and putting it in the freezer so I'll have it next week!

    1. ipsedixit Nov 16, 2012 07:47 AM

      I've already made contingency plans.

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      1. re: ipsedixit
        The Professor Nov 16, 2012 06:04 PM

        Those are better than Twinkies anyway..,I always hated the gritty cream they used in Twinkies. The Drakes version was infinitely better (they were called "Zoinks"). When interstate bought the Drakes brands, they killed it of course.

        And for the Twinkie lovers: Interstate will be selling all of the brands and the formulas, so it's a fairly safe bet that many of those products will be back on the store shelves by spring.

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        4X4 Nov 16, 2012 08:06 AM

        I'm not (haven't eaten one in probably over a decade), but I might buy a box or two in case they someday become collector's items. And they'll be scarce when the zombie apocalypse happens (see the movie Zombieland if you don't get that reference.)

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          Jpan99 Nov 16, 2012 11:52 AM

          I bet if you bought a box and kept it on your shelf for a decade it would still look the same, be soft and spongy and no mold. Ahh, preservatives...

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            4X4 Nov 17, 2012 05:30 AM

            I hate to be the "that's an urban legend" guy, but: http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient...

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          jbsiegel Nov 16, 2012 11:57 AM

          Oh yes! The proud owner of Twinkies, Devil Dogs, Snow Balls and Hostess cupcakes. All purchased today. I didn't realize they make Twinkies with chocolate filling. Picked up a pack of those too LOL.

          I'm devastated about the Wonder Bread. My Nana's stuffing will never be the same...

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            Jpan99 Nov 16, 2012 12:00 PM

            Oh yeah, I forgot that Hostess made Drakes Cakes too. Oh my, no more Funny Bones!?

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              jbsiegel Nov 16, 2012 12:04 PM

              Nope... I bought some of those too!

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              gothamette Nov 16, 2012 06:44 PM

              Twinkies with chocolate filling? Is nothing sacred?

              1. re: gothamette
                sandylc Nov 16, 2012 09:35 PM

                Don't worry....I'm sure it's only chocolate-colored!

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                  gothamette Nov 17, 2012 11:30 AM

                  It's the thought that counts.

            3. Veggo Nov 16, 2012 11:58 AM

              This afternoon I brought a box of them to my Local VFW, 9226 in Ellenton, FL (I am not a veteran but I am an occasional guest of the usual suspects there). Most of us at the bar had one, and we had a moment of silence for the 18,500 who will lose their jobs at Hostess bakeries.

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              1. re: Veggo
                syrup09 Nov 16, 2012 12:05 PM

                Bimbo and Cloverhill make products that are kind of similar. But I guess to some nothing beats a Twinkie.

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                  Veggo Nov 16, 2012 12:10 PM

                  The Twinkie I ate today was probably my first in almost 50 years, so I guess I have learned to live without them - no Twinkie withdrawal, no methadone.

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                    mpjmph Nov 17, 2012 03:01 PM

                    Little Debbie makes a Twinkie analog as well. I'm also pretty confident a smart investor will buy the recipe and factory, and the Twinkie rivers will flow again by the new year.

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                      foiegras Nov 26, 2012 05:15 PM

                      I actually hope all the little sugar and chemical bombs are RIP for good ... but you're probably more right than I am.

                      The only Hostess product I have nostalgia for is SnoBalls, which my grandmother bought when one of her dogs was having a birthday. I got one, and the dog got one with a candle. (Did people not know not to give dogs chocolate back in the day??) I must say that every single SnoBall I've ever had has been stale.

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                  RedTop Nov 16, 2012 12:13 PM

                  Never liked the mouth feel of the Twinkie, so seeing them fade isn't nearly as devastating to me as the imminent disappearance of the Hostess Cupcake. Now, there's a great loss!

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                    jbsiegel Nov 16, 2012 12:25 PM

                    ...and Ring Dings...

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                      pinehurst Nov 16, 2012 12:51 PM

                      I'd get a Ring Ding every so often after school, with a glass of cold, cold milk. Ah, memories.

                  2. gaffk Nov 16, 2012 12:26 PM

                    I was never a fan of Twinkies. As a kid, I'd have the occasional Devil Dog, but we were pretty much a Tastycake family. And I think it's been decades since I've had any of these.

                    However, I was food shopping this afternoon. In the bread aisle is a display of plastic sandwich holders emblazoned with the Wonder Bread logo. For the first time ever, the display was nearly empty. I guess folks are looking for mementos that are slightly less perishable than the cakes and breads?

                    1. Crockett67 Nov 16, 2012 12:35 PM

                      While I will have a moment of silence for snowballs. No I will not pick up any and will instead let them remain as tasty in my memory as I remembered as a kid...

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                        Bob W Nov 16, 2012 12:43 PM

                        My kid bought a pack of snowballs just last week. Bright orange ones. He ate one and left the other on the counter. After a few days it was still sitting their so I ate it in one bite. Damn good.

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                          Crockett67 Nov 16, 2012 03:04 PM

                          Word? I might have to indulge then! :D

                      2. Veggo Nov 16, 2012 12:43 PM

                        I just noticed on Bloomberg News that a 10- pack of Twinkies is selling for $25 on E-Bay. I paid $2.99 for the box I brought to the VFW this noon.

                        1. Sloth Nov 16, 2012 01:05 PM

                          I was always partial to the Fruit Pies, especially blueberry and lemon. My last one was years ago and it didn't live up to the memory so I doubt I'll be tempted to pick up a last one for old time's sake.

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                            pine time Nov 16, 2012 02:04 PM

                            Oh my, never thought about the fruit pies! Altho' I last ate one maybe 3 decades ago. As a kid, I was partial to the gosh-awful sweet cherry ones.

                          2. tcamp Nov 16, 2012 03:15 PM

                            I'm somehow able to restrain myself.

                            The only hostess item I liked as a kid was the Ding Dong. That crinkly foil, that chocolate shell, the luscious cream filling. Haven't had them in more than 35 years, however.

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                            1. re: tcamp
                              Jpan99 Nov 16, 2012 05:40 PM

                              I loved the Ring Ding and I'm with you on the foil wrapping. I miss that so much. The sound, the feel of it. I used to play with the foil square after the Ring Ding was long gone. Folding it into an accordion, making a fan...I really hate plastic.

                              1. re: Jpan99
                                tcamp Nov 16, 2012 05:57 PM

                                Your post forced me to do a wee bit of 'research' about geographical presence of Ring Ding versus Ding Dong. I grew up in CA and you must have done so on the east coast:


                                1. re: tcamp
                                  KrumTx Nov 16, 2012 06:35 PM

                                  Thanks for doing the research! Who knew? They're Ding Dongs in Texas. They were forbidden by my mom but we'd get them from our friends' parents. Haven't had one in 30+ years either.

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                                    Jpan99 Nov 17, 2012 04:59 AM

                                    Yes East Coaster where Drakes Cakes were what we ate growing up. Ring Dings, Funny Bones (my favorite,) Devil Dogs, Yodels and Coffee Cake Jr.s. Unfortunately all owned by Hostess now. Even though I don't eat them any longer it's still sad to see them go.

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                                      pine time Nov 17, 2012 10:05 AM

                                      Anyone remember Banana Flips? Were they Hostess, too? May need more research on my own...

                                      1. re: pine time
                                        HillJ Nov 17, 2012 10:09 AM


                                        here u go, pt.


                                        topic on CH. turns out there were several versions of Banana Flips

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                                          pine time Nov 17, 2012 10:19 AM

                                          Must read 'em all! Thanks, HillJ. Just read Alkapal's Ode and 'bout fell off my chair. Altho, IIRC, Banana Flips were actually pretty horrible. But, childhood memories are sacrosanct, right?

                                          1. re: pine time
                                            HillJ Nov 17, 2012 10:33 AM

                                            childhood memories are sacrosanct, right?
                                            thank god something is!

                                2. re: tcamp
                                  4X4 Nov 17, 2012 05:34 AM

                                  Yo, ding dong, man, ding dong


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                                  wednesdayaddamsd Nov 16, 2012 06:14 PM

                                  I did see on CNBC that Hostess was shutting down operations, but I have no doubt the brand will be sold and in stores again at some point next year. I never ate Twinkies, really. I am not saying I don't like them, but they are just not something I want to get fat over. I have cheese for that! But more power to all of you that are hoarding your Hostess products. I have seen recipes for Twinkies and you can even buy a Twinkie baking pan on Amazon if you want to make your own!

                                  1. Ruthie789 Nov 16, 2012 06:18 PM

                                    You could always do so cross border shopping in Canada because Saputo Inc. produces Twinkies here and will not be affected by the shutdown.

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                                      soyarra Nov 17, 2012 08:07 PM

                                      Yet another reason to go to Vancouver! I mean, apart from all the cheap British candy and bikkies. :)

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                                        westaust Nov 19, 2012 09:13 AM

                                        And wonder bread is also still being produced in Canada where Weston owns the brand!

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                                        gothamette Nov 16, 2012 06:47 PM

                                        Now look at this. A bunch of adults having a conversation about Twinkies, Ring Dings, Ding Dongs, Snowballs, Tasty Cakes, Devil Dogs and Wonderbread. Hmmm......makes you wonder.....

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                                          Island Nov 16, 2012 07:35 PM

                                          Haven;t had one in decades, but now that I know they'll be gone I'm craving me some Raspberry Zingers.

                                          1. Bill Hunt Nov 16, 2012 08:41 PM


                                            Even in their "glory days," I was NOT a fan.

                                            Many claimed that after mankind had long disappeared, there would be cockroaches. Others postulated, that even when the cockroaches had disappeared, there would be Twinkies. Not sure how that would work, but cannot disagree.


                                            1. Mutch2Do Nov 16, 2012 09:21 PM

                                              My 15 YO had never heard of em so I explained what they were and told him how people always joke about how those things never seem to go bad. I never cared for them even as a kid myself but went ahead and picked up a box so he could try em - needless to say neither one of us will be running out to stock up. We gave the rest of the Twinkies in the box to the neighbor kid. He'll eat anything. Now about those ho-hos.....

                                              1. Dornfelder Nov 16, 2012 09:32 PM

                                                I'm sure that if my soon-to-be-89-year-old parents could, they'd hoard the dickens out of the stuff.

                                                Shortly after they wed more than 64 years ago, they endured some pretty darned tough years, financially speaking, and often split a two-pack of Twinkies as their Saturday-night splurge.

                                                Their fondness for the cream-filled vanilla snack treat notwithstanding, I'm just relieved they'd chosen to clean up their diets a few years before starting their family. ;-)

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                                                  sandylc Nov 16, 2012 09:54 PM

                                                  I'm not sure I've ever tried a Twinkie...it didn't appeal to me as a child. I did indulge in a few Suzy Qs in the day, though. Surprised no one has mentioned these, yet!

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                                                    nikkib99 Nov 16, 2012 11:47 PM

                                                    Not at all. Tried them many years ago and thought they were just weird.

                                                    As far as wonder bread, that thought leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm not into cloud-like bread where the slightest pressure reduces the slices to a paper-thin mass of processed wheat.

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                                                      dkP Nov 16, 2012 11:57 PM

                                                      I never got into Hostess, but I need to get my hands on some Twinkies before they're all gone. I've never had an interest before this story broke. Entenmann's on the other hand brings back some memories.

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                                                        nikkib99 Nov 17, 2012 12:04 AM

                                                        I liked Entenmann's pound cake. I used to think Entenmann's was the expensive treat because those little debbie cakes were 25 cents each.

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                                                          Chefpaulo Nov 17, 2012 04:21 AM

                                                          I lived in NYC in the early '70s when Entenmann's was still family owned and all of their products tasted homemade. Yes, a bit pricy but very much worth it. Then, like Famous Amos and other quality products, they sold out to mass production, a decrease in quality and loss of fans who knew the difference. Subsequently, I haven't bought Entenmann's since...who knows?

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                                                            sandylc Nov 17, 2012 09:55 AM

                                                            Entenmann's is now a pile of shortening and chemicals and too much sugar. Sad.

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                                                              gaffk Nov 17, 2012 02:41 PM

                                                              It's sad, isn't it? The other day at the market there was a big Entenmann's display (BOGO offer) and I looked at the chocolate donuts and the chocolate cake with marshmallow frosting and was transported back to the days when dad brought these home as special treats for desserts. I was almost tempted, but knew better. They haven't been good since the 70s or 80s.

                                                              1. re: gaffk
                                                                dkP Nov 19, 2012 04:33 PM

                                                                My favorites were the cinnamon raisin swirls buns and the chocolate donuts. A warmed gooey bun and a glass of milk was literally heaven. Sadly the company has indeed gone to hell and now they mass produce nothing but shit that is really no better for you than the Twinkie.

                                                          2. bagelman01 Nov 17, 2012 03:48 AM

                                                            None of the traditional Hostess brand items, BUT I did stock up on Drake's Yodels and Ring Dings.

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                                                              HillJ Nov 17, 2012 04:43 AM


                                                              We watched the news reel...then ate a Twinkie...but the decision, the dispute didn't make us happy...the blame game over popular snack foods...in this economy...isn't great news for anyone.

                                                              What is it about a Diane Sawyer treatment of ANY story...and why would you pay a fortune for a Twinkie NOW on the heels of a brand that could no longer compete? People are so hard to figure out.

                                                              Who's going to save the products?

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                                                                4X4 Nov 17, 2012 05:38 AM

                                                                This is going to drastically change how superheroes fight crime!


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                                                                  sandylc Nov 17, 2012 09:57 AM

                                                                  I wonder if Hostess could have saved things by introducing a line of better-quality "natural" snacks (yes, but still make the crappy stuff, too)?

                                                                  1. Chinon00 Nov 17, 2012 10:47 AM

                                                                    Dr. Egon Spengler: "Well, let's say this Twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic energy in the New York area. Based on this morning's sample, it would be a Twinkie... thirty-five feet long, weighing approximately six hundred pounds."

                                                                    Winston: "That's a big Twinkie"

                                                                    1. Jpan99 Nov 17, 2012 10:51 AM

                                                                      This is utterly insane...there is a listing on Ebay for "Hostess Twinkies 3 boxes of 24" with the current bid of $340!!!! Are you kidding me?! 22 minutes left to bid if any crazy person is interested.

                                                                      Stupid me, I was at my market last night and they still had boxes of Twinkies. I could have been rich today!

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                                                                        bagelman01 Nov 17, 2012 10:58 AM

                                                                        They (boxes of Twinkies) were buy one get one free $4.29 at Stop and Shop in Trumbull, CT this morning.

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                                                                          HillJ Nov 17, 2012 11:01 AM

                                                                          Our S&S in NJ was cleared out of every Hostess product they carry. And, Little Debbie was front and center.

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                                                                            Veggo Nov 17, 2012 11:25 AM

                                                                            And to think that only yesterday, I coulda cornered the Florida Twinkie market, for $2.99 a box. I coulda been a contender. I coulda been somebody. I coulda had...well, a lack of class.

                                                                            1. re: HillJ
                                                                              bagelman01 Nov 17, 2012 01:03 PM

                                                                              For shame, if you are in Jersey, at least they could feature Tastee Kakes..........................
                                                                              No run on the traditional Hostess brands, but the Drake's items were getting very low, afterall New England was Drake's country before Hostess bought them.

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                                                                                HillJ Nov 17, 2012 01:24 PM

                                                                                I know!!!

                                                                          2. re: Jpan99
                                                                            Jpan99 Nov 17, 2012 11:54 AM

                                                                            The final bid $405. What can I say. The seller is a genius.

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                                                                              ipsedixit Nov 17, 2012 11:56 AM

                                                                              Last night at the store, some lady asked the manager if she could buy the entire display of Hostess treats, display stand included. They were priced at 10 for $10. She handed him a $100 on the spot and just wheeled away the entire display stand. Chutzpah!

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                                                                                bagelman01 Nov 17, 2012 01:05 PM

                                                                                The display rack that held the SnoBalls (on special $1 pkg at Stop and Shop was empty. I heard the store manager tell the grocery manager to make sure to lock it up in the secure warehouse. Seems the displays are logged property of Hostess, and they have been pledged to the creditors.
                                                                                The manager at your local store who sold the display stand may be held responsible for its value.

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                                                                                  ipsedixit Nov 17, 2012 08:10 PM

                                                                                  I'm pretty sure the Hostess bankruptcy trustee probably has bigger fish to fry ... just a guess on my part, however.

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                                                                                    bagelman01 Nov 18, 2012 05:59 AM

                                                                                    In a situation such as this, it wouldn't be the bankruptcy trustee involved. Instead, the creditor who loaned against these fixtures and and filed a UCC lien would have a list (albeit not up to date) of the assests and their locations and the right to reposess. Secured assets such as these are not part of the general bankruptcy pool. This is the same as banks who have loans on the delivery and other trucks coming and grabbing them.

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                                                                                HillJ Nov 17, 2012 12:04 PM


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                                                                              FriedClamFanatic Nov 17, 2012 01:16 PM

                                                                              on a side note............as an attempt to be partly silly and partly have a fun dessert..........I once served Twinkies over a raspberry coulis and drizzled a melted chocolate/cointreau sauce over them............lots of different tastes.....but it was actually pretty good...and won praise ( the amount of alcohol consumed earlier may have lead to the effusiveness)

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                                                                                Philly Ray Nov 17, 2012 02:06 PM



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                                                                                  buzzardbreath Nov 20, 2012 08:06 AM

                                                                                  Twinkie-Misu was my go-to dish for the "hard times" (Tax Day) potlucks my friends and I hosted and attended. It was expected, nay demanded, that I would make Twinkie-Misu. And yes, I do make real tiramisu for more elegant parties. :-)

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                                                                                  al b. darned Nov 17, 2012 02:17 PM

                                                                                  DW is from the Philadelphia area and as such grew up eating Tastee Kakes and had never had a Twinkie before we got married. For her second birthday of our marriage I bought a box of Twinkies, arranged them into the shape of a pyramid, drizzled them with raspberry sauce, and topped them with a birthday candle. They were served with squirt type whipped cream. While the result wasn't too bad, we both agreed that that was a once-in-a-lifetime experience.

                                                                                  I really loved Drake's Funny Bones (I believe that's what the peanut butter ones were called) when I was growing up. Even these days, when stopping by the minimart for munchies I would often grab Hostess or a Drake's fruit pie. Other than that, the loss of Twinkies, Wonder Bread, and all the other products won't have any impact on our household.

                                                                                  1. re: FriedClamFanatic
                                                                                    meatn3 Nov 17, 2012 07:41 PM

                                                                                    I once tried to flambé Twinkies. No matter how much alcohol was used they - would - not - burn!

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                                                                                    jjjrfoodie Nov 17, 2012 02:27 PM

                                                                                    True " hoarding' started in my part of the midwest last nite.

                                                                                    Little on the shelves at the big chain stores and the Hostess Outlet across the street was a mob.

                                                                                    Never saw that before.

                                                                                    All I wanted was Ho-Ho's,
                                                                                    #epic fail.


                                                                                    But true.

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                                                                                      soyarra Nov 17, 2012 08:10 PM

                                                                                      Yeah, a couple of gas stations around here still had a couple of sad fruit pies, some cupcakes, a package of Sno-balls (pink) and one box of Donettes.

                                                                                      This stuff is terrible - why is everyone so sad to see it all go?

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                                                                                        HillJ Nov 17, 2012 10:09 PM

                                                                                        Yeah, a couple of gas stations around here still had a couple of sad fruit pies, some cupcakes, a package of Sno-balls (pink) and one box of Donettes.
                                                                                        You answered your own question....wax nostalgic.

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                                                                                          The Professor Nov 17, 2012 10:40 PM

                                                                                          I agree. Most Hostess stuff was the pits.
                                                                                          But if the TastyKake company in the Philly are ever closed, I would be very sad.

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                                                                                            Ruthie789 Nov 18, 2012 12:18 PM

                                                                                            It's iconic fast food an institution.

                                                                                          2. The Chowhound Team Nov 17, 2012 11:13 PM

                                                                                            Folks, we've had to remove quite a few replies from this thread that were more about the union dispute that led to Hostess closing than about the food. Chowhound really isn't the place for political debate,so please keep your replies focused on food (assuming you call Twinkies and Ding Dongs food).

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                                                                                              gaffk Nov 18, 2012 02:47 PM

                                                                                              Wow . . . I think this is the first LOL posting from the mods ;)

                                                                                            2. hill food Nov 18, 2012 02:39 AM

                                                                                              except for people's jobs, was anything of true value lost?

                                                                                              and I admit I snarfed a lot of that product around age 10.

                                                                                              1. Veggo Nov 18, 2012 12:28 PM

                                                                                                Prospective good news for Twinkie Fans and other iconic Hostess products - the word on Wall Street is that Grupo Bimbo from Mexico is favored to purchase and continue the Hostess legacy. They have enormous financial capacity, cost advantages, cheaper real sugar, and the smarts to do it right. Let's watch.

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                                                                                                  bagelman01 Nov 18, 2012 12:35 PM

                                                                                                  let the Mexicans buy Twinkies, Wonder Bread and the other traditional Hostess brands, and let's find some fine New Englanders to buy and repatriate the Drake's Cakes where they belong.
                                                                                                  Said while eating a Yodel.........................

                                                                                                  Memories>>>When I arrived at Uof PA more than 40 years ago, I found that my roommate had arrived first and staked out a claim to bed, closet, desk, etc. I went to open the refrigerator I had rented from Housing only to find it stuiffed to the gills with blue foil wrapped yodels. Seemed Peter was a yodels freak.
                                                                                                  I quickly informed him, that the fridge was mine, paid for by me and to get his yodels the hell out.
                                                                                                  His mother, a pushy broad from Long Island was horrified and asked why we couldn't share? I replied that my groceries were purchased to fit the space in the fridge I arranged, and started pulling the Fk*ing yodels out.
                                                                                                  Peter was horrified, what was behind the first row of Yodels, Peter's stash of marijuana. I gues Yodels were Peter's munchy of choice when getting stoned.
                                                                                                  My father went down the hall and called the police, they took Peter away and I lived without a rommate that semester.
                                                                                                  Peter returned to school in January, but never graduated. about 5 years later I learned he was doing hard time in a Turkish prison for smuggling dope. I think of that dope (Peter) whenever I eat a Yodel.

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                                                                                                    Veggo Nov 18, 2012 12:44 PM

                                                                                                    Talk about stumbling out of the starting gate! You and I were one year apart at Penn, and likewise my freshman roommate arrived a few hours before me and claimed the best of what was available. In my 4 relatively normal years there, I had 11 roommates, of which I think 6 graduated.

                                                                                                    1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                      bagelman01 Nov 18, 2012 12:56 PM

                                                                                                      Lived on campus 2 years, then 5 of us bought a row house at 57th and Osage. Average graduation rate 50%. 3 bailed out the day Nixon stopped the bombing in Viet Nam.

                                                                                                      1. re: bagelman01
                                                                                                        huiray Nov 20, 2012 07:14 AM

                                                                                                        A bit OT, but I find what you and Veggo relate about the high dropout rate/criminality/contempt for education at an Ivy League school like U Penn during your time to be quite astonishing. Perhaps you both just got "interesting" room-mates?

                                                                                                        I don't know what the overall graduation rate was during your time, but in recent times U Penn's graduation rate was 95%.
                                                                                                        http://www.aei.org/files/2009/06/03/D... (See page 15)

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                                                                                                          Veggo Nov 20, 2012 07:38 AM

                                                                                                          My Penn roommate experience included an athlete who turned professional, a suicide, a lost academic scholarship, a broken heart that didn't mend, and a no-show that was never explained. Six others plus me did fine.

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                                                                                                            bagelman01 Nov 20, 2012 09:16 AM

                                                                                                            it was a different era, starting right after the radical 60s, Nixon trouncing McGovern and general societal upheaval.
                                                                                                            First roommate, a privileged math genius from LI who was into drugs. His father a dentist gave kid 5K to go to Columbia and make a buy. Kid did hard time in a Turkish Prison for drug smuggling, fatehr lost his license for writing bogus scripts for drugs.
                                                                                                            2nd roommate, like Veg's. was an athlete, but he lost scholarship when he quit the team--he graduated. We also had a housemate who committed suicide (over Xmas break).
                                                                                                            In those days a lot of students who were top of their class in High School had a hard time competing in an Ivy league school where everyone had been top of the high school class.
                                                                                                            But University food service (in my dorm) was very good, and they hosted Froday night sherryy hours serving free alcohol to underage students.

                                                                                                      2. re: bagelman01
                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 18, 2012 12:50 PM

                                                                                                        This would be an outstanding movie....or, just add Yodels to the film, Midnight Express!

                                                                                                      3. re: Veggo
                                                                                                        gothamette Nov 20, 2012 11:31 AM

                                                                                                        From Hostess to Bimbo...does this say something about the world we live in?

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                                                                                                          Veggo Nov 20, 2012 11:33 AM

                                                                                                          Si, por seguro. Vamos a ver cambios. This gringo expects we will see changes, which are often a good thing.

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                                                                                                        sisterfunkhaus Nov 18, 2012 12:32 PM

                                                                                                        I have a life time supply, which adds up to zero. Now I could go for some pink snowballs. Mmmm.

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                                                                                                          jbsiegel Nov 18, 2012 05:25 PM

                                                                                                          Yes, I hoarded as I admited. But...secretly VERY happy that I didn't have to worry about my Peanut Butter Tandy Cakes or Tastycake Coffee Cakes!

                                                                                                          1. iL Divo Nov 18, 2012 05:40 PM

                                                                                                            I'm hearing so much lately about Twinkies, guess now I know why.
                                                                                                            will I hoard them, no, not a big fan although I'm sure if I bought a truck load
                                                                                                            they'd still be good in 20 years.

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                                                                                                              HillJ Nov 18, 2012 07:31 PM


                                                                                                              This commentary was my absolute favorite on CBS Sunday Morning.

                                                                                                              1. Sloth Nov 19, 2012 07:27 AM

                                                                                                                The Smithsonian should get a box to put next to Archie Bunker's Chair.

                                                                                                                1. ipsedixit Nov 19, 2012 07:35 AM

                                                                                                                  Looks like Bimbo is going to come to the rescue.

                                                                                                                  So relax everyone. Twinkies will go on and on and on ...

                                                                                                                  Of course, now we can all start the meme of "Twinkies were so much better when Hostess was making them, they're just not as good from Bimbo!"

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                                                                                                                  1. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                    4X4 Nov 19, 2012 08:59 AM

                                                                                                                    I guess they'll be making Ding Dongs too, because bimbos love ding dongs.

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                                                                                                                      Philly Ray Nov 19, 2012 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                      I managed to buy a box of Twinkies this week and even though I haven't had one in years, I have to admit that it wasn't anything like I remember. The cake was not spongy and the cream didn't have that sugar "crunch".

                                                                                                                      And is there a better product for Bimbo's line than Ho Hos?

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                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 19, 2012 11:28 AM

                                                                                                                        I hope they don't change anything about the products (name, recipe, texture) or this "bimbo" won't be buying (I always made Hostess treats a part of Christmas stocking surprises).

                                                                                                                        1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                          ipsedixit Nov 19, 2012 11:31 AM

                                                                                                                          ... and folks, while it's punny to riff on the name "Bimbo" it's actually pronounced "beembo".


                                                                                                                          1. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                            Veggo Nov 19, 2012 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                            Plus, the company was formed in 1945, long before the word was hijacked and gringo-ized as a term to describe dumb blondes with straight teeth and cleavage.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                              ipsedixit Nov 19, 2012 11:41 AM


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                                                                                                                                gothamette Nov 20, 2012 11:32 AM

                                                                                                                                Someone once asked Dolly Parton if she minded being called a dumb blonde. She said, "No. Because I know I'm not dumb, and I know I'm not blonde."

                                                                                                                                1. re: gothamette
                                                                                                                                  Veggo Nov 20, 2012 11:38 AM

                                                                                                                                  Great reply!

                                                                                                                              2. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                                HillJ Nov 19, 2012 12:30 PM

                                                                                                                                I was referring to myself dear.

                                                                                                                                eta: here's what the press is saying in our local paper:

                                                                                                                                1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                  ipsedixit Nov 19, 2012 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                  Sorry, my bad.

                                                                                                                            2. re: Philly Ray
                                                                                                                              MGZ Nov 19, 2012 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                              "[E}ven though I haven't had one in years, I have to admit that it wasn't anything like I remembereven though I haven't had one in years, I have to admit that it wasn't anything like I remember."

                                                                                                                              Ah, yes the nostalgia that's fueling this nonsense. There's a reason Hostess is being put to sleep - their product fundamentally sucked. When we were kids we didn't know better. Now that many can taste the truth with more knowledgable palates and an understanding of how vile the products are to our health and tastebuds, there is little to cash in on.

                                                                                                                              Leaving aside my years of experience with the Bankruptcy Code, Bankruptcy Courts, and the Code's terrible ability to impact upon union contracts and pension plans, I will note that the union reps appear to have been correct in their belief that a buyer was out there and they should not advise the members to accept the Company's assertions. Ask the Continental Pilots we helped the Airline f*ck in the early 90s - you're all still feeling the impact when you fly today.

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                                                                                                                                sandylc Nov 19, 2012 01:49 PM

                                                                                                                                Hostess products were regarded as treats in the sixties and seventies. That makes the remembrance of them all the more fond for many, despite the garbage that they are and possibly were. Here is a question that I've had for a while: While anyone with the internet in their computer machine can find ingredients for current products, I have tried in vain to research the ingredients from 40 or so years ago. I am very interested in seeing how familiar products have changed over the years.

                                                                                                                                1. re: sandylc
                                                                                                                                  hill food Nov 19, 2012 05:18 PM

                                                                                                                                  I remember reading the labels as a kid. the creme filling was tallow (rendered beef fat) based and had real sugar until the early 70's when sugar prices went through the roof.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: hill food
                                                                                                                                    sandylc Nov 19, 2012 05:25 PM

                                                                                                                                    Interesting. Tallow - surprisingly healthier than adulterated vegetable oil products. Probably tastier, too.

                                                                                                                            3. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                              Tripeler Nov 21, 2012 04:53 PM

                                                                                                                              My guess is that Bimbo's will do a better job with twinkies. After all, the Mexicans really know their sweet bread products.

                                                                                                                              1. re: Tripeler
                                                                                                                                Veggo Nov 21, 2012 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                Yes, good pan dulce, and they are less likely to use HFCS as a sweetener because they enjoy cheaper real sugar.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Tripeler
                                                                                                                                  huiray Nov 21, 2012 05:22 PM

                                                                                                                                  I did a double take at your post. What, they have "products" made from thymus glands?

                                                                                                                                  1. re: huiray
                                                                                                                                    Veggo Nov 21, 2012 05:31 PM

                                                                                                                                    Not mollejas! Good wit, though.

                                                                                                                                    1. re: huiray
                                                                                                                                      Tripeler Nov 22, 2012 05:43 PM

                                                                                                                                      I wrote "sweet bread" not "sweetbread". Surely you know the difference.
                                                                                                                                      Nice gag response, though.

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                                                                                                                                  pcdarnell Nov 19, 2012 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                  Every Christmas my kids buy me a cooking related gift, really only for their benefit, and usually pretty hilarious. One year it was a funnel cake maker, a pie-pop maker last year, and once it was a Twinkie making kit. Now I see the brilliance.

                                                                                                                                  BTW, does anyone remember Suzie-Q's? I loved those things. Chocolate cakey oblong things with (faux) cream filling. I grew up in MA, so it must have been a Drakes product.

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                                                                                                                                  1. re: pcdarnell
                                                                                                                                    bagelman01 Nov 19, 2012 01:37 PM

                                                                                                                                    gotta fine tune that memory.................................
                                                                                                                                    I an born and bred in New England, BUT Suzy Q was a Hostess product. It was developed in the early 1960s and named for the daughter of the baking congloerate's president (Ceo?)

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                                                                                                                                      Tripeler Nov 24, 2012 10:05 PM

                                                                                                                                      Suzy Q, yeah, didn't Creedence do a song about her?

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                                                                                                                                        sandylc Nov 25, 2012 11:29 AM

                                                                                                                                        Thanks a lot. Now I wonder for how long THAT one will be stuck in my head. :-P

                                                                                                                                    2. re: pcdarnell
                                                                                                                                      sandylc Nov 19, 2012 01:51 PM

                                                                                                                                      Suzy Qs were my go-to Hostess product as a kid - I mentioned it upthread but didn't get any takers!

                                                                                                                                    3. Bacardi1 Nov 19, 2012 01:39 PM

                                                                                                                                      May not be any need for hoarding yet.

                                                                                                                                      Breaking news has it that the courts have pushed Hostess to go back into negotiations with the union & their creditors rather than liquidate & permanently close.

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                                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 19, 2012 01:55 PM

                                                                                                                                        Apparently so, I linked the article up thread re: negotiations.
                                                                                                                                        Wonder how that Ebayer feels now...

                                                                                                                                        1. re: Bacardi1
                                                                                                                                          Veggo Nov 19, 2012 02:06 PM

                                                                                                                                          You say 'pushed', which is a politic word. (Not political, politic is an innocent word). The court can encourage, but can not compel. This is standard, when there is more in play than the pecuniary interests of the parties in disagreement.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                            Bacardi1 Nov 19, 2012 04:51 PM

                                                                                                                                            Whatever Veggo. I was just posting a new news item. No semantics intended. Geesh.

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                                                                                                                                              Veggo Nov 19, 2012 05:01 PM

                                                                                                                                              I meant no offense. I am fascinated by the Hostess turn of events, but I have been castigated for wandering into a political realm so I am trying to be ultra-careful not to run afoul again, and I thought that distinguishing between the semantics of similar words may help keep me on the sunny side.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                Veggo Nov 20, 2012 06:17 PM

                                                                                                                                                Follow up: to no surprise, today's (11-20-12) court-ordered mediation led to nowhere, which clears the path for buyers to compete for the business.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                  coll Jan 12, 2013 09:09 AM

                                                                                                                                                  In case anyone is still following this story


                                                                                                                                                  But this doesn't solve the Twinkie dilemma unfortunately.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: coll
                                                                                                                                                    jbsiegel Jan 12, 2013 12:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                    I saw that the buyer of the desserts/snacks would be announced shortly. This is a very good thing because my Twinkie stash is quickly diminishing! :-)

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                                                                                                                                          lolabrw Nov 19, 2012 02:05 PM

                                                                                                                                          I knew they'd make a comeback (technically they never went away). I mean they're Twinkies! I don't like them (or hate em), but still.

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                                                                                                                                            John Francis Nov 19, 2012 02:07 PM

                                                                                                                                            If it comes to that:


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                                                                                                                                              ipsedixit Nov 19, 2012 02:33 PM

                                                                                                                                              Twinkies are one of those things that should not be homemade.

                                                                                                                                              It's like, I love Filet-O-Fish, but I wouldn't want to replicate it at home. Ever.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                                                Veggo Nov 19, 2012 02:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                Similarly, I have a low level of interest in replicating cotton candy at home.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Veggo
                                                                                                                                                  ipsedixit Nov 19, 2012 02:50 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Not to get too orthogonal, but do you like cotton candy?

                                                                                                                                                  I've never understood the appeal, but could be persuaded otherwise. Maybe I've just never had haute, gourmet cotton candy ...

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                                                    Veggo Nov 19, 2012 02:57 PM

                                                                                                                                                    It's beyond 3 dimensional flypaper, nasty. And anyone who can make it at home should be an automatic on a sexual predator list.

                                                                                                                                                2. re: ipsedixit
                                                                                                                                                  tcamp Nov 20, 2012 11:37 AM

                                                                                                                                                  I don't know. A homemade tater tot recipe keeps appearing in my sidebar and my resistance is weakening fast.

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                                                                                                                                                    huiray Nov 20, 2012 11:45 AM


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                                                                                                                                                nikkib99 Nov 19, 2012 07:49 PM

                                                                                                                                                I wonder how those people with the $500 twinkie feel now. Must feel like a proper fool.
                                                                                                                                                My guess is those mom & pop convenience store operators are probably excited to have gotten rid of a few snack treats that's been sitting on their shelves for months.

                                                                                                                                                Just imagine if people put this much effort into buying books for their kids.

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                                                                                                                                                1. re: nikkib99
                                                                                                                                                  bagelman01 Nov 20, 2012 09:17 AM

                                                                                                                                                  no mom and pop operator had Hostess good sitting in their shelves for months. Hostess route men serviced all accounts and removed stale product and issued credits or replaced it. The product is provoded to retailers on a guarranteed rale basis.

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                                                                                                                                                  sandylc Nov 19, 2012 07:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                  Just for fun:

                                                                                                                                                  Corn Syrup, Wheat Flour Bleached Enriched (Flour, Iron Reduced, Vitamin B [Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Folic Acid (Vitamin aB), Riboflavin (Vitamin B2)] ) , Corn Syrup High Fructose, Vegetable(s) Shortening Partially Hydrogenated Contains One Or More Of The Following (Soybean(s) Or, Cottonseed Oil) , Sugar, Water, Calcium and, Glucose, Leavening (Sodium Acid Pyrophosphate, Baking Soda, Monocalcium Phosphate) , Salt, Soy Protein Isolate, Whey Sweet Dairy, Egg(s) Whole, Contains 22% or less Corn Starch Modified, Cellulose Gum, Corn Flour, Dextrose, Egg(s), Milk and, Red 40, Sodium Caseinate, Sodium Stearoyl Lactylate, Sorbic Acid To Retain Freshness, Contains Soy Lecithin, Wheat, Yellow 5, Flavor(s) Natural & Artificial (Caramel Color, Egg(s) Yolks, Butter, Sodium Caseinate) , Mono and Diglycerides, Corn Starch, Corn Dextrins, Soybean(s)

                                                                                                                                                  1. emglow101 Nov 19, 2012 09:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                    No. On E___Y, a box of ten is @ $ 18.50 with four minutes to go. The land of opportunity.

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                                                                                                                                                      4X4 Nov 20, 2012 06:53 AM

                                                                                                                                                      I'm just glad that Hostess doesn't make Little Chocolate Donuts, the donuts of champions.


                                                                                                                                                      1. huiray Nov 20, 2012 06:57 AM


                                                                                                                                                        Buh-bye, no tears from me for this product which is not food. I *do* feel for the folks who will be losing their jobs, though.

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                                                                                                                                                          MGZ Nov 20, 2012 08:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                          In the end, most will not lose jobs, or have to face the Draconian cuts to their pension plan that the Bankruptcy Code would have allowed. Have pity for the idiotic execs who thought they could continue to make such significant salaries by selling sh*t that most of the American public looks at as an occasional "fun" item. Seriously, even Rachel Ray fans don't eat Wonder Bread.

                                                                                                                                                        2. MandalayVA Nov 20, 2012 07:40 AM

                                                                                                                                                          Hostess lost me when it stopped making Chocodiles (chocolate-covered Twinkies for those who don't remember/never knew)

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                                                                                                                                                            ChiliDude Nov 20, 2012 07:46 AM

                                                                                                                                                            NOT ME !!!!!

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                                                                                                                                                              chocolatetartguy Nov 20, 2012 12:45 PM

                                                                                                                                                              I was a chocolate cupcake boy, but the Woody Harrelson character in Zombieland was obsessed with finding twinkies and dispatching zombies efficiently. He didn't hoard them but surely Hostess going out of business is a sign of the impending apocalypse.

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: chocolatetartguy
                                                                                                                                                                4X4 Nov 20, 2012 01:04 PM

                                                                                                                                                                They had to make fake twinkies for Harrelson to eat in the movie since he's a vegan.

                                                                                                                                                              2. Caroline1 Nov 20, 2012 01:20 PM

                                                                                                                                                                I thought about buying some Twinkies and Ding Dongs for the freezer... I thought about it for about six seconds. Then I thought, how long since you've eaten one of those things? I'm not certain I've ever had a Twinkie, deep fried or otherwise, and it's probably five or six decades since my last Ding Dong. I don't need clutter in my freezer. TaDaaa...! How'm I doing as a world class curmudgeon? '-)

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                                                                                                                                                                1. re: Caroline1
                                                                                                                                                                  hill food Nov 20, 2012 05:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  C1 -
                                                                                                                                                                  1. if one is a Ding-Dong fanatic, frozen is the way to go.
                                                                                                                                                                  2. if one hasn't had one since the early 1970's - don't try them again unless you relish the taste of bitter disappointment and happen to have read a lot of Proust.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: hill food
                                                                                                                                                                    Caroline1 Nov 20, 2012 09:40 PM

                                                                                                                                                                    I shall take care not to fall victim to bitter disappointment. Thank you! '-)

                                                                                                                                                                2. Disneyfreak Nov 20, 2012 08:58 PM

                                                                                                                                                                  I want Drake's cakes! Of course you can't find them anywhere. I don't want a ton -- just some to put in the freezer.

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                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Nov 21, 2012 04:24 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    This morning like toy soldiers, Hostess, Drakes, Tastykakes and Little Debbies were all lined up on a kiosk display & end cap. Entemann's was relegated to another area of the store...

                                                                                                                                                                    All of this "high alert" press is going to triple the price of snack cakes.

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                                                                                                                                                                      Disneyfreak Nov 21, 2012 06:41 AM

                                                                                                                                                                      Where did you tind them? There aren't any Hostess or Drake's products anywhere here.

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                                                                                                                                                                        HillJ Nov 21, 2012 07:08 AM

                                                                                                                                                                        Shop Rite, NJ

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                                                                                                                                                                          Disneyfreak Nov 26, 2012 11:43 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          Unfortunately, not in any Shop Rite near me.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. iL Divo Nov 21, 2012 07:34 AM

                                                                                                                                                                    DH came home last night, grabbed the newspaper and read it, about Hostess going OOB. came to the conclusion I should go to the Hostess outlet store in the valley close to where he works [there are 2] so we can have a last sweet treat by the famous company. I'm sure they're both empty or closed by now.
                                                                                                                                                                    like many have said in here though they ain't what they used to be. I was crazy for 'snowballs' while he loved the orange cupcakes from years and years ago.

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                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: iL Divo
                                                                                                                                                                      EWSflash Nov 21, 2012 04:07 PM

                                                                                                                                                                      I'm going to miss the Twinkies and chocolate cupcakes so badly! I haven't had a Snowball in ages, but I love that marshmallow-coconutty-chocolatey deliciousness and will miss it just as much . 8^(

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                                                                                                                                                                        Tom34 Nov 21, 2012 05:35 PM

                                                                                                                                                                        In the Philadelphia Metro area we had Tastykakes which were locally produced, unchanged for decades and very, very good. Recently they were bought out and the lower quality that followed was immediately noticeable as was the 50% price increase. I don't know the history of Hostess but I suspect "efficiency experts" have messed with their products over the years because I agree they don't taste as good as they once did. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"..... comes to mind, or should have come to mind!

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                                                                                                                                                                          The Professor Nov 22, 2012 09:06 AM

                                                                                                                                                                          I strongly disagree that TastyKakes have declined in quality...I've been buying them without pause for 40 years and they are the same as they ever were. And they always were and remain better than any of the Hostess products.

                                                                                                                                                                          My only beef about the change in TK ownership was the discontinuation of few favorite varieties...but the ones that survived are as good as they always were...albeit more expensive (like everything else these days)

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: The Professor
                                                                                                                                                                            Tom34 Nov 23, 2012 06:49 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry Professor, the pie crust on the Tasty klair is not even close to being the same. Crust is far less flaky, much more chewy and has a completely different flavor from the old crust. Also 1/2 the amount of chocolate icing on the top and the flavor of the icing is different. This all occurred immediately following the ownership change. A very close friend has been a professional baker for 35 years and owns his own bakery and concurs 100% with me that there were indeed major changes and he believes they had to do with both production efficiency and shelf life. Having said that, the Tasty Klair is the only TastyKake product I have eaten since the ownership change so I can not speak to the other products.

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: Tom34
                                                                                                                                                                            bagelman01 Nov 22, 2012 10:29 AM

                                                                                                                                                                            they don't taste as good as they once did ...this has little to do with efficiency experts as in the changes demanded by the American public to remove tallow and lard from products. Growing up, I ate Drake's Cakes (now owned by Hostess) made here in New England becaiuse they were kosher and had no animal fat. Hostess was made with forbidden anaiumal fats and was not kosher. After hostess was reformulated to remove the animal fat many of there items came under kosher supervision.
                                                                                                                                                                            But, there is no way that baked goods made with vegetable shortenings taste the same as those made with lard.

                                                                                                                                                                            If you are an lover of fast food french fries, you will notice that they don't taste the same since they no longer have beef tallow in them and are not froed in lard or transfats. Don't blame efficiency experts for companies yielding to the demands of the 'healthy' style diet changes of the American public.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Tom34 Nov 23, 2012 08:00 AM

                                                                                                                                                                              Agree with the vegetable shortenings vs lard comparison and also agree with pressure being put on companies to use less of the latter. However I do have concerns with "the demands of the American Public". I think it should be revised to "the healthy style diet changes of a MINORITY of the American public which happens to have a very loud voice" . In addition I would include lobbying efforts from the American Heart Association which was also a major player in the leaning out of beef which led to changes to the USDA Beef grading system and lets not leave out lobbying by the insurance companies.
                                                                                                                                                                              With the beef, one of the biggest groups pushing the leaning was the the cattle industry itself because it is much more "efficient" to product leaner cattle.

                                                                                                                                                                              I the personally prefer to eat what I want in "moderation" and greatly resent being told by bureaucrats what I can or can't eat based on fat content. I also don't need religious leaders, whether they represent a small % of the US population or a large % of the population deciding what can or can't be in our food supply based on their individual religious beliefs. If the desire to eat religiously tolerant food products is strong enough, someone will produce the product and make a fortune in the process. I can think of no better example that the Kosher Food Industry.

                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Tom34
                                                                                                                                                                                bagelman01 Nov 23, 2012 09:54 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                When I wrote the 'demands of the American public,' I in no way stated that there were demands made by a majority. Mos of the American public are shhep that go along with decisions made for them.

                                                                                                                                                                                As I stated Drake's was already kosher long before it was purchsed by Hostess and used no animal fats. I grew up eating Hydrox because Oreo's had animal fat. None of the reengineered foods taste as good as the old time products, but it has nothing to do with efficiency experts. When one comapany made a change the others jumped on the bandwagon to stay competitive in the consumers' mindsets.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: bagelman01
                                                                                                                                                                                  Tom34 Nov 23, 2012 05:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  I don't know. Seems people eat things that taste good. I do think that when large corporations take over small niche food companies profit comes before quality. Bean counters tend to take precedent over bakers/chefs and a lot is lost in the process. Expanding markets requires longer shelf life which does not always go hand and hand with quality, Twinkie being the exception.

                                                                                                                                                                                  Funny you brought up the Trans Fat issue. In Philadelphia,a Mayor tried banning animal fats and several South Phila Italian Cannoli companies went ballistic as they couldn't make the product with vegetable shortening. Fortunately the Mayor (Crook) lost the battle. I dearly love a real Cannoli but only eat them a few times a year but when I do I want the real deal.

                                                                                                                                                                                  As for Oreo's , never was a fan.

                                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: bagelman01
                                                                                                                                                                                    Tom34 Nov 29, 2012 10:47 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                    I will respectfully agree to disagree on the efficiency aspect. When retail giants like Walmart dictate to manufactures what the price of a product will be efficiency takes center stage.

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                                                                                                                                                                                iL Divo Jan 12, 2013 01:59 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                Tom ditto.
                                                                                                                                                                                had to edit because there are lots of posts by you and I now realize I'm dittoing all of them.

                                                                                                                                                                                1. re: iL Divo
                                                                                                                                                                                  Tom34 Jan 12, 2013 07:44 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  To me it comes down to this....The food business is tough, really tough....most of my friends in it are very well compensated.... but they gave 30 years or more of their lives they can't get back learning the trade. Their passion is in the end product and it would take one hell of an argument to persuade me Corporate America has a greater interest in the quality of the end product.

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                                                                                                                                                                              Querencia Nov 23, 2012 08:39 PM

                                                                                                                                                                              Day after Thanksgiving---the Twinkies that all disappeared from the grocery store have been found: they're on eBay.

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                                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Querencia
                                                                                                                                                                                Tom34 Nov 24, 2012 04:39 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                with 3 min to go, box of 10 is at $6.50 plus $7.00 shipping.

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                                                                                                                                                                                FriedClamFanatic Nov 27, 2012 05:30 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                Thank you one and all for solving my Christmas Dilemna.........each of my sibs will receive a big box of assorted Tasty-cake specialties. We plan to corner the market before that company goes belly up again!

                                                                                                                                                                                1. iL Divo Jan 12, 2013 01:47 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                  The husband and I were in WalMartian the other day with a very short to buy list. I needed coffee which was same aisle as breads/sweet snacks. He pointed out, "look honey, we can get our Twinkies here." Surprised to see that WM has their own brand of many of the things we've grown to recognize as Hostess products. Hummm, interesting.
                                                                                                                                                                                  No we didn't buy any of them, haven't had a Twinkie in a hundred years but he did scoop up a box of Entennmans Chocolate donuts, his personal favorite thing.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    HillJ Jun 23, 2013 05:09 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                    Twinkies returns to a grocery shelf near you on July 15th.


                                                                                                                                                                                    Did anyone hoard Twinkies?

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                                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                      hill food Jun 23, 2013 11:26 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                      funny that you ask, no.

                                                                                                                                                                                      if they will go back to REAL sugar and beef suet I may get on board. otherwise my childhood has gone the path of so many things.

                                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: HillJ
                                                                                                                                                                                        jbsiegel Jun 24, 2013 12:01 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                        Party on!!! Woo hoo! (Although I can count on one hand the number of Twinkies I have had in the past 10 years...up until the announcement that they were going to be discontinued. Then...I completely overloaded!!)

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                                                                                                                                                                                          HillJ Jun 24, 2013 12:06 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                          "Don't know what you've got til it's gone..." - J Mitchell

                                                                                                                                                                                      2. iL Divo Jun 29, 2013 11:25 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                        "Anyone Hoarding Twinkies"

                                                                                                                                                                                        ..................and THEY'RE BACK..............................on your grocers shelves again REAL soon........


                                                                                                                                                                                        1. Caroline1 Jul 3, 2013 08:20 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                          Yesterday I learned of a NEW use for Twinkies! I'm taking an archaeology class, and yesterday's lecturing archaeologist works in Egypt. It is a common practice (preservation of site) to refill a dig after they've collected all the data they can. A common practice in refills is to put something typical of today in the dirt so that anyone excavating in the future will know you were there first. She and her teams use a TWINKIE...! Someone asked if they might not decay and "go away"? Her reply, "Never!" LOL! The food we eat....

                                                                                                                                                                                          Just thought you guys should know... '-)

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                                                                                                                                                                                            Veggo Jul 3, 2013 08:28 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                            I'm glad to see Twinkies getting a decent burial rather than cremation.

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                                                                                                                                                                                              cwdonald Jul 3, 2013 08:56 AM

                                                                                                                                                                                              How about just some extra long time in the fry bucket...

                                                                                                                                                                                          2. Bill Hunt Jul 3, 2013 07:36 PM

                                                                                                                                                                                            Not then, and not now.

                                                                                                                                                                                            I did see them in some form of "Master Chef," or "Chopped," and could not imagine having to cook with them. Diabolical, just diabolical.

                                                                                                                                                                                            Never was a fan, and I can not imagine ever being one, but that is just me.


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