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Justin Warner - What's up with his "Next Food Network Star" show?

Just curious, he won the competition, and I haven't seen or heard anything about his show. I thought it was supposed to be on this Fall, which is now.

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  1. Alton Brown, who is producing the show, has said several times, in several places recently that they are kind of nursing it along. It should air in 2013. I don't think it's going to be a strict cooking show. hmmmm

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    1. re: nikkihwood

      If that's true, I think that's a really smart idea. By a landslide, the most comercially successful contestant of the show has been Guy Fieri, and while I'm sure Guy's Big Bites gets viewers, his success is dominantly driven by his non-cooking show. Since then, all the winners have basically just gotten 'stand behind the stove' cooking shows - which I don't think automatically syncs with the talents that each winner has brought.

      To use a very unscientific "results based" approach, it would seem like an automatic choice to not go the straight cooking new recipes route.

      1. re: cresyd

        Studio cooking shows are probably the easiest and cheapest thing to produce, especially with a new person. Plus there is a built in low-rent slot for a begging show - Sunday morning. It's riskier to put someone new on prime time.

        Aarti did a pilot food tour show (Cooking Channel?) which I thought was good, though not unique. Jeff (Sandwich guy) has a 24 in 24 food tour show playing now.
        While Guy has done very well with DDD, I don't believe the show originated with him. He was hired to work on a show developed by others.

        1. re: paulj

          All of that makes a lot of sense. I wonder if the fact that FN is now shifting producing responsibilities from "anonymous FN type" to Alton (or Bobby or Giada had the others won) that there's a different process going into the show's development. Other winners have just the Next Food Network audience to rely on for an existing audience. For Justin there's not just the reality competition audience crossover but also Alton's audience crossover.

          1. re: cresyd

            Many shows are produced by independent production companies. Good Eats was Alton's own (see the credits at the end). Past FN stars have moved on to do their own production, such as Gordon Elliot (responsible for the Paula Dean shows) and Marc Summers. Other companies specialize in reality and competition shows for a variety of channels. Even the big name shows like Next FN Star have outside credits.

        2. re: cresyd

          >By a landslide, the most comercially successful contestant of the show has been Guy Fieri,.....

          Are you sure Anne Burrell didn't show up wearing pants, it would be hard to tell them apart.

          1. re: Antilope

            Perhaps the more important question is if you've ever seen Guy and Anne in the same place at the same time....

            1. re: cresyd

              LOL, cresyd!

              Although I do think Anne Burrell can cook and has a reasonably sophisticated palate

              We talked to our waiter while we were having dinner at one of the DDD featured places (we had heard good things about the place outside of the show). He said Guy was more interested in bragging about hanging out with Kid Rock than in the food.

              Also, the restaurant employees were very much amused by the NYT review of Guy's place; they posted it in their breakroom

              1. re: coney with everything

                That's amazing. In general, all things Guy don't amuse me. but I do like watching DDD in regards to the kinds of places visited. So perhaps for me, Justin's potential to hijack or reclaim the concept of DDD is ideal.

        3. re: nikkihwood

          Yes, AB says that in the Zagat interview

          1. C'mon Thomas Dolby and Count Chocula..ya gotta strike while the iron is hot !

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            1. So, no more Alton.
              Wouldn't you think that as a part of NFNS, the production time for the winner's show would have been scheduled?
              I vaguely remember phrases like "Well, in 10 weeks s/he will be making a new show" during the competition.


              1. The kid won because of the hugely over-inflated egos of the two producers who railroad that dumb show down our throats. They let some really good people go so Justin could be their winner. Why? Because the Ego Twins think Justin is SO COOL, and they want to be cool, too. Meanwhile, Justin, being lots of flash and no substance, isn't exactly 'material' they can use on FN, so there's not going to be much heard from him. I am so through with Next FN Star, it's awful and deserves to be cancelled.

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                  1. re: vstoklosa1

                    Many people, myself included, think "the kid" won because he deserved to win. BTW, "the kid" is about to turn 29 and co-owns a well-reviewed restaurant.

                  2. Justin just appeared on a FN ad. It sounded like some sort of Iron Chef event.

                    1. I think at this point it's timing. If he had been able to climb the crest of his win with a quick debut, he'd be rolling merrily along - probably filming his second season or another spin-off.

                      I think the producers want to roll it out when there's a good chance folks will tune in for other new shows as well - tag team him, if you will.

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                      1. re: breadchick

                        I think it shows a lack of confidence in his ability to attract viewers. I can't remember who are the most recent 'the next food network stars'. Did they have shows on the Food Network that were successful? (Did anyone reading here realize that Debbie from season 5 of TNFNS is Korean?)

                        1. re: John E.

                          In reverse order if I recall correctly recently winners...

                          Sandwich King
                          Aarty Party
                          Melissa D-Arabian (or whatever spelling)


                            1. re: paulj

                              Totally random, but NFNS'ish, Jeffrey Saad has a new cookbook out, which I ran across in the "new nonfiction"section of my library. I checked it out. Global Kitchen: Recipes without Borders. I haven't had a chance to go through it.


                          1. re: John E.

                            I think they're still filming Melissa D'Arabian's 10 Dollar Dinners... its on FN during weekdays. I enjoy the show if I happen to be able to watch TV on a weekday mid-day, which isn't that often.

                          2. re: breadchick

                            I agree - however, should they decided that now since it's so late to roll it out as the lead-in or follow-up from the next season of TNFNS, they could get a number of crossover fans.

                            1. I just looked this up, as I was curious as well. His show will debut on March 30, and it looks like another "road show" , ala Diners, Drive-ins, and Dives. I wonder why he had to win a cooking competition to make that type of show? Disappointing...

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                              1. re: GaKaye

                                I do think though that in fairness to the Food Network - they may be giving Justin the best chance possible. Guy's success clearly came from Diners, etc - not from his cooking show. If Justin is able to build a wider following with a show like that, and then get more of a "strictly food" show - I'd support that.

                                1. re: cresyd

                                  I just wish FN would get new shows, period.

                                  1. re: chloebell

                                    I agree. I'm not interested in most of their programming, at least not the prime time programs. There's too much competition and/or reality type shows. Then they run six episodes back to back. Of course they are a slave to the ratings (as is all television programming) but I wonder how their ratings are when compared to five or ten years ago.

                                    1. re: John E.

                                      When it was in the news last October
                                      it was seen as one of the top cable performers

                                      "The company, with shows from Deen’s “Paula’s Home Cooking” to “Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives” and “House Hunters,” is also proving more effective at generating profits off its assets with its return on assets of 14 percent, more than double the peer median of 5.9 percent."

                                    2. re: chloebell

                                      They will never get 'new shows' until they get rid of the 'dead-wood' that is in charge of the network. I have a relative who works for the FN. This person tells me the whole network is populated by 'hanger's -on' and (cough) executives) that are now just basically 'phoning it in' from their year round cottages. The slightest new idea is seen as a challenge to the executives and therefor dismissed with an 'implicate' warning to anyone on staff: "DO NOT QUESTION OUR GENIUS!". Pretty sad but it happens.

                                      1. re: Puffin3

                                        And yet, based on the Bloomberg article which paulj attached, it appears that Scripps is doing extremely well. You might say it's on fire. I doubt very much that there will be a change in the Food Network (FN) or the Cooking Channel, based on the old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

                                        I share with you your dismay that FN has been turned into a set of food-related game shows and food-related road shows. I like the Cooking Channel, but clearly, Scripps is not putting a lot of effort into new programing there.

                                        Also, all the actual cooking shows on Cooking Channel and FN (to the extent that there are any left--a few during the week day hours), seem to be skewed toward beginners. Mario Batali, Wolfgang Puck, and many others have left the stage. Shows for beginners are fine, but they should have more intermediate shows and advanced shows seem completely gone.

                                      2. re: chloebell

                                        I have to agree 100 percent with you on that. I remember back when FN first came to be--it was so interesting and..well, fun! Two Hot Tamales--even that silly competition show with Cissy Biggers (I think that was her name)..How to Boil Water. Simple but much better. Oh well, it's too bad!

                                        1. re: jarona

                                          In the early days of Food TV their main viewers were people interested in food, much like the people on Chowhound. When the audience became more mainstream they started to program to get the most viewers (as is most television programming) and they discovered the competition shows attracted far larger viewers than the instructional programming. I too prefer more of the 'stand and stir' programs that they used to have, although we did get FN when the Two Hot Tamales were on, not even reruns.

                                          1. re: John E.

                                            In those good old days, how much of the primetime line up was instructional? I don't recall much from 15 years ago. The first Mario shows that I recall were his tour of Italy. Emeril was on with his band, but that didn't appeal to me most of the time. Melting Pot was good because I was often interested in the topic, not necessarily the hosts or style. FN still has a lot instructional during morning and afternoon hours.

                                            I keep wondering, which changed more, FN or viewers like us. Even if they replayed those old instructional shows, would we be satisfied?

                                            1. re: paulj

                                              I started watching the Food Network shortly after 911. It was nice to see something that wasn't a threat.

                                              But I don't think that many early shows were instructional. Sara Moulton was great.
                                              Can't forget Door-Knock Dinners.

                                              And that crazy competition show where two chefs were given odd ingredients to cook against each other. It was silly and irreverent and kind of a pre-curser to the more serious Chopped. Anyone remember the name?

                                              1. re: chicgail

                                                I think you're talking about "Ready Set Cook". I actually rather liked it..way less douchebaggery and sob stories.

                                                1. re: coney with everything

                                                  Yes. It was totally whimsical and fun. Just what I wanted in those early post-911 days.

                                                2. re: chicgail

                                                  i LOVED door knock dinners. the epitome was when they brought on the japanese iron chefs. mishima, sakai, etc. that was an amazing episode and an amazing food tv (yup, that's what it was called back then) programming. funny thing is i can't even remember if there was an actual iron chef competition....i wonder if this was when bobby flay stood on the cutting board and p.o.ed morimoto?

                                                  1. re: ritabwh

                                                    In the beginning, Food Network just showed reruns of Iron Chef Japan. I am pretty sure that Flay vs. Morimoto and the cutting board incident was technically on Iron Chef Japan. But Flay was probably brought in as a contestant with an eye toward cross-promoting the show in US.

                                                    1. re: pamf

                                                      It was an Iron Chef New York special I believe. Here's the video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLPbNj...

                                                    2. re: ritabwh

                                                      I also thought that was her concept, sort of US/Indian fusion. But I agree that the hot dog thing was a pretty unappealing recipe.

                                                  2. re: paulj

                                                    We didn't get FN 15 years ago. I also was not referring exclusively to the prime time shows. I looked at a list of past shows on FN and while they were not all stand and stirs, many them were. They also had the ubiquitous food/travel shows which I much prefer over the competition shows (Iron Chef is an exception.)

                                                    I don't think viewers who are really interested in cooking will ever be satisfied with what FN puts out.

                                                    It might seem like I am contradicting myself, but I don't like any of the cooking instructional shows the winners of TNFNS ended up with.

                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                      in the beginning.....emeril's show was "essence" . no band, no nothing. he stood and stirred. when the live show came one, i quite watching emeril.

                                              2. re: cresyd

                                                But the credit for DDD belongs to neither FN or Guy, but to Page Productions

                                                Aarti's road-food show on CC has been moderately interesting, though I liked her pilot better.

                                                1. re: paulj

                                                  DDD may not be produced by FN, but it's on their channel and they do see what's watched and what's popular. DDD is very popular and I imagine has done more to drive Guy's Big Bite than the other way around. Trying to copy that model makes sense.

                                              3. re: GaKaye

                                                While I don't disagree that another "road" show isn't very interesting, NFNS was never really a "cooking competition". Cooking is part of the comp, sure, but they don't hide the fact that you only get so far cooking good food.

                                                1. re: LurkerDan

                                                  I don't get the Cooking Channel. Are they more interested in improving that channel these days than FN?

                                                  We actually enjoy NFNS, b/c they constructively criticize the competitors, unlike the other shows that just bash for ratings sake.

                                                  1. re: LurkerDan

                                                    Good point. I guess I'm just disappointed because I enjoy the true cooking shows better, and they are few and far between on Food Network as well as Cooking Channel.

                                                    1. re: GaKaye

                                                      Instructional shows are rare in primetime, but still abundant in the daytime hours.

                                                2. Last I heard, Justin's show was just a one-time one hour special.

                                                  1. Given all the questions in this thread I'm surprised no one caught this earlier.

                                                    Rebel Eats tonight 10pm/9c (too late for east coast?)

                                                    "Justin Warner is hitting the road for his new show and biggest challenge yet — finding the real culinary rebels of America. Armed with $300 for gas, a car and a nose for good food and crazy characters, Justin travels the backroads of the South to try everything from Moonshine and Bacon Beer to Deep-fried PB&J, Jellyfish Pasta and Bowling Alley Barbecue served in a mason jar.

                                                    Read more at: http://www.foodnetwork.com/rebel-eats...

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                                                    1. re: paulj

                                                      Watched this last night. It was pretty much a standard on-the-road format. Warner (or his producers) did find a somewhat more interesting group of places to visit. Like the moonshiner whose backwoods accent was so thick that they felt it necessary to provide subtitles.

                                                      In the obligatory fishing boat segment, they were out fishing for jellyfish. I am a little unclear if they were in the Atlantic or the Gulf (I missed a little bit of the show) but I didn't know so much jellyfish was caught in American waters. Most of it is exported to Japan. The fisherman had never actually eaten any so Justin cooked him some for dinner, and he liked it.

                                                      1. re: pamf

                                                        They fished for jellies out of Darien, GA, so that it the Atlantic.

                                                    2. Bringing this thread back to the top-- April 2013--

                                                      Justin has had a one episode special [no show] but is now in commercials for THREE products?

                                                      and a hotel? a casino? Vegas?

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                                                      1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                        His MiracleGrow commercial is painful to watch.

                                                      2. Wow. They've really kept this guy under wraps. Almost time for the new season.

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                                                        1. re: rochfood

                                                          I don't think the guy is pining away waiting for FN to air something more. He's even retwitted a FN item about the new season.



                                                        2. They showed a NFNS preview the other night and highlighted winners like Melissa D'Arabian (failure), Aarti (cancelled after season 2), Sandwich person (ugh)... There were mentions of like 5 or 6 different winners including Fieri but no mention of Justin Warner which I thought was very strange.

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                                                          1. re: Njchicaa

                                                            Melissa is a failure? Isn't her show 10 Dollar Dinners still being made? I see it on the lineup during the day. Both her and Aarti do a show on Cooking Channel (lose 5lbs)... not the greatest show though. Aarti also has a show on Cooking Channel.

                                                            The real failure was that one woman a few seasons back, I think it was the season after Guy won... she didn't even want to win really and she did, did like half a season and then disappeared. She appeared on Chopped recently though. I forget her name, had brown curly hair.

                                                            1. re: juliejulez

                                                              They cancelled a bunch of shows last year.... possibly including 10 Dollar Dinners. I haven't seen any commercials or tweets or other mentions of new seasons of her show. Aarti, Anne Burrell's SORC, Neely's, Big Daddy's House, and 5 Ingredient Fix are all still being shown but not filmed any longer.

                                                              Is anyone really buying Melissa's cookbook and using her recipes? I stand corrected if they are but I never bought into the concept of her show. I think it limited her much like the 5 ingredient thing sabatoged Claire Robinson.

                                                              1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                I think busy working moms on a budget would love Melissa, especially because she gives complete meal ideas, versus just one dish that you then have to think about what to serve with it. Her book has 4.5 stars on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/Ten-Dollar-Dinn... It has 60 5 star reviews, and only 5 1 star.

                                                                1. re: juliejulez

                                                                  Maybe I'm wrong but the vibe I get is that busy moms like to watch her show and buy her book but they are still serving Stouffer's lasagna or stopping at Burger King for dinner.

                                                                  1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                    Perhaps, but the reviews on Amazon indicate that the reviewers liked the recipes in the book and many say they enjoy the show so I would guess that means they're actually cooking. Also a pretty strong indication that Melissa is not a "failure". I would say she's probably one of the more successful (in terms of gaining fame, money, etc) winners behind Guy.

                                                                2. re: Njchicaa

                                                                  i actually enjoy melissa's daytime stand and stir show and i've got some pretty good ideas from the show. seems to me that tvfn wants to have "entertainment" during primetime. and unfortunately their idea of "entertainment" is travelogues and hosts eating food instead of cooking it.

                                                                  1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                    I suspect also Semi-Homemade was cancelled.

                                                                    1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                      I haven't seen it on in the daytime lineup in awhile, but her Wikipedia entry makes no mention of it being cancelled.. But, she has a show I do see on pretty often, Sandra's Money Saving Meals. She also has Sandra's Restaurant Remakes and Sandra Lee's Taverns, Lounges & Clubs, which I've seen on the Cooking Channel. In that one she just runs around sampling other people's cocktails.

                                                                      1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                        Yay. But she's still on and doing something similar to the $10 dinner thing. She's still annoying.

                                                                      1. re: juliejulez

                                                                        That was Amy Finley. It was a weird season. An ex-Marine Corps chef with lots of charisma and a sexy blonde Texan woman were the two finalists. Then some news people found out that some of the ex Marine Corps chef's background had been misrepresented. It was all over the news. The Food Network judges retroactively disqualified the ex-Marine Corps chef and brought back Finley, who had already been eliminated. Finley challenged the sexy blonde Texan and won in the final episode. Then she had a show called "The French Chef Next Door" on for a few episodes, decided not to continue and went to France to continue her cooking education.

                                                                        1. re: gfr1111

                                                                          Ohhh yes now I remember all the drama. I remembered that Amy had said throughout the series that she wasn't all that into winning, and it pissed off most of the other contestants. The blonde Texan was annoying too though....I think overall it was a pretty weak season.

                                                                            1. re: juliejulez

                                                                              You mean Amy Finley, she moved to France for awhile and wrote a book.

                                                                            2. re: Njchicaa

                                                                              Yea, I agree with Julie. I wouldn't be so quick to label Melissa a "failure".

                                                                              1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                my anger at TVFN is that they dumbed down aarti by making her cook un-indian food, then turning her into a travel/eat host. do you all remember that stupid indian hotdog thingie they made her make for her premiere episode? that is what alton brown did to justin warner. justin warner's show is just another tvfn travelogue. tvfn has decided what the viewers want and they are wrong.

                                                                                1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                  I think her first show was actually sloppy joe's but she did do hot dogs (a la Rose) during that first season.

                                                                              2. Looking a past years, Food Network is batting about 500.

                                                                                Food Network Star winners over the years from Wikipedia.

                                                                                Season one - 2005
                                                                                Dan Smith & Steve McDonagh (Who?)

                                                                                Season two - 2006
                                                                                Guy Fieri (That's one.)

                                                                                Season three - 2007
                                                                                Amy Finley (Now a missing person?)

                                                                                Season four - 2008
                                                                                Aaron McCargo, Jr. (That's two.)

                                                                                Season five - 2009
                                                                                Melissa d'Arabian (That's two and a half.)

                                                                                Season six - 2010
                                                                                Aarti Sequeira (That's three)

                                                                                Season seven - 2011
                                                                                Jeff Mauro (That's four.)

                                                                                Season eight - 2012
                                                                                Justin Warner (meh.)

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                                                                                1. re: Antilope

                                                                                  I watched the Season 1 guys show when it was on... Party Line with the Hearty Boys I think it was called. All about party food... wasn't a bad show but I think they ran out of ideas.

                                                                                  1. re: juliejulez

                                                                                    I liked the Hearty Boys. For awhile they were rerunning at 8 am on Saturdays, and I could see why they won. They were charming and entertaining, and had usable tips. Not sure why they were cancelled, I didn't watch them when they were prime time.

                                                                                2. Made an appearance on a commercial for The Next Food Network Star. Was he in Twilight ?

                                                                                  1. the biggest disappointment is that justin was not allowed to cook. instead, alton brown his "mentor" who produced justin's show opted for another fluff travel, eat and talk show.
                                                                                    even if i would have not cooked the crazy wacky stuff, i would have watched justin's cooking show. sadly now, he has disappeared.

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                                                                                    1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                      Just curious, what leads you to believe they wouldn't allow Justin to cook? I think all of the other TNFNS started with cooking shows, so it would make sense that they'd start Justin out that way, too. In this interview, AB says that Justin wanted to "go out in the world," implying it was Justin's preference to do a travel show. http://www.yumsugar.com/Alton-Brown-I... After that, AB hopes he'll do a cooking show. I get the sense that rebel Justin rebelled against FN's plan for a cooking show for him...


                                                                                      1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                        it seems to me during the competetition the judges and producters were very focused on shaping and re-shaping the contestants to fit into their idea of what would be a successful tv cooking host/star.
                                                                                        when i see such radically different shows from what the contestant presented duriing the competition (most recently aarti and justin) i can't but help think that there was some serious re-packaging. of course i am sure the winners agreed whole-heartedly.
                                                                                        i just think that since these contestants won by cooking, they should cook on their show and then cook the style they won on, not a makeover by foodnetwork's producers.
                                                                                        i never saw that article on alton brown, and if that's what he said, so be it.

                                                                                        1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                          I agree that what Aarti is doing for FN/Cooking Channel now is a serious departure from what she did on TNFNS. And while I can't say I watched much of Aarti Party (because I find Aarti somewhat grating), I do think the concept of "Aarti Party" was pretty spot on to what she was doing in the competition, which is Indian-fied American food. Most of the recipes come straight from her blog. They even kept the name of the show, aside from tweaking the spelling.

                                                                                          The hot dogs in episode 5 are a strange choice, but she actually posted them on her blog in Oct 2008, prior to winning TNFNS in 2010! http://www.aartipaarti.com/2008/10/29...

                                                                                          My personal opinion is that TNFNS is often just FN's way of doing a recipe grab. Aarti had an extensive recipe inventory with her blog/videos and FN wanted to hoover it up. Same with Melissa D. It's a pretty low risk to give someone a 6 episode stand and stir show if you know they have several dozen recipes ready to go. After FN gets all their recipes, then they let them sink or swim in whatever show concept they think suits them and/or is cheap to produce.

                                                                                          That having been said, I agree Justin's show seems to be very far off of what he was doing on TNFNS, although, he does actually cook in the episode (most memorably, the jellyfish.)


                                                                                          1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                            TDQ, thank you for the insight on aarti pre-tnfns. did not know she was an established bloger.
                                                                                            as i continue to follow this thread, i see why i don't watch foodnetwork much anymore. and alton brown's new persona has been annoying me for a while now.

                                                                                            1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                              Actually, it was good for me to have another look at Aarti's recipes. Several of them look pretty appealing to me, actually. I must try!

                                                                                              I think FN is definitely on the decline. I always thought of Iron Chef as their cornerstone and even that has pretty much run its course. They now have all of the Iron Chefs battling each other in a tournament of champions. That's pretty much the way Iron Chef (Japan) ended, with all of the IC's battling each other...

                                                                                              Once that's done, it will just be chopped and DDD.


                                                                                      2. re: ritabwh

                                                                                        Alton Brown has said he did not produce Justin's show.

                                                                                        1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                          They did bring a drawing of Alton along for the ride, though, and he was thanked in the credits.

                                                                                          The whole thing was a little bizarre, actually, but I think that's what JW is going for, so I don't feel too bad saying it.


                                                                                          1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                            i watched some of the marathon of TNTVFNS last week. i am sure it was stated that the winner would have his/her show produced by their mentor.
                                                                                            if alton brown said he did not, then so be it.

                                                                                              1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                thank you njchicaa. this makes me think of ramsay changing the winner's contest prize position in hell's ktichen, and regettably makes me think less of alton brown.

                                                                                                1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                  thanks again. yes, i believe you! :-))

                                                                                            1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                              I'm wondering if Justin had "too many irons in the fire" even as he was a competitor on NFNS... have any of the other contestants returned to actively running their own restaurant immediately after the NFNS show?

                                                                                              It almost seems like several things have happened:

                                                                                              1) JW doesn't think FN is the end-all/be-all and commits his time and priorities accordingly.
                                                                                              2) Without Alton as an "active" FN star, he has less push so FN is less compelled to work with JW.

                                                                                              3) the 2013 NFNS contract for the winner with have a Much Clearer Definition of what FN will do and what the winner is obligated to do

                                                                                                1. re: Firegoat

                                                                                                  Sounds much better than the jellies he was obsessed with.

                                                                                                  1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                    Oh! I thought that jellyfish carbonara sounded fabulous! I totally wanted to try it!


                                                                                                2. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                  this is so bizarre. i guess it is impossible to read into what lurks in the minds of contestants and producers. i was hoping to see less foodnetwork formulaic shows with both aarti and justin. with aarti, i had hoped for an asian cooking show where i could learn a bit more about indian cooking and with justin, just something wild and crazy. the only reason i followed last season was becasue justin fascinated me so.
                                                                                                  kris, what does the new contract say vs. the old contract? i am totally unaware there was a problem with the contract.

                                                                                                  1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                    kris, guess it turns out it was alton brown who had too many irons in the fire, according to the article link from nhchicaa.

                                                                                                    1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                                      My guess is the two didn't get along.


                                                                                                      1. re: ritabwh

                                                                                                        I think Alton has been "stepping away" from FN for about 3 years.
                                                                                                        I saw him speak when he announced that Good Eats was ending [and at that time he had already filmed the last episode although it had not aired]. In person, it seemed that he was proud of G.E.'s success and production, but he significantly implied that he was feeling "constrained" by FN. I think that may be why Justin--rebel with a culinary cause-- held such appeal for him.
                                                                                                        As a complete guess into the wind, I'm wondering if FN wanted Alton and Justin to do some style that neither really wanted and Alton found it to be a way to step further away from FN. Also, I found Alton's "won't be producing" timing suspicious-- it was in January, so a new calendar year since NFNS so his own contract To Produce may have lapsed.

                                                                                                        1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                          Apart from the end of GE, I haven't detected any 'stepping away'. Alton is still on this year's NFNS. He still MCs ICA. Last year's Next IC took up a chunk of his time after Next Star.

                                                                                                          GE was produced by his own production company. I read that it was a money looser, with his book sales and speaking fees making up the difference.

                                                                                                          My guess is that the Justin business has always been a minor commitment for AB.

                                                                                                          He has a new competition show in the works, Cutthroat Kitchen
                                                                                                          Shooting starts next week

                                                                                                          his IMDB page

                                                                                                          Media article on competition shows

                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                            PJ-- with your list of AB's 2013 commitments, that solidifies the idea that if he couldn't get the JWarner show into production by late summer 2012, it would be bumped off his list due to time.
                                                                                                            Maybe when I heard him, he was just in a GE grieving stage, but he sounded less than impressed by the Powers That Be at FN.

                                                                                                            Do you recall how in other/older NFNS's, they were always saying "But I don't know if s/he will be ready to do a show in 6 weeks." --> prior to JW's win, they always implied that filming for the winner's show would start basically the Monday after the final episode of NFNS. It seems that was obviously not the plan last year, and that's why we [viewers] seem to have lost what could have been a phenomenal show.

                                                                                                            1. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                              Yes, my impression from earlier years is that they had already shot the 1st season of the winner's shows by the time we saw the competition. That makes sense from a marketing standpoint - build on the interest created by the competition.

                                                                                                              But last year they added this mentor twist. It added a 'team' dimension to the competition, and promoted the existing stars. They probably also hoped from a better set of cooking shows.

                                                                                                              With Justin's win, viewers seemed to expect a GE2. But I suspect Justin and Alton had different visions, both of which were constrained by the budget that FN was willing to give them. Studio instructional shows are among the cheapest to produce.

                                                                                                              Justin's 'rebel' nature probably also gets in the way of producing a season of episodes. Just wanting to be different does not give sufficient focus. His Tweets seem to be all over the place - into slow food, starting a band, blogging about the new NFNS.

                                                                                                              1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                Yeah, I think JW would be imminently watchable in a Chopped-type format-- let us see him think on his feet.
                                                                                                                Format could be something like pulling the names of 2 classic dishes out of a hat, maaaaybe watching him do research [but that would turn it into another travel show] and then when he comes back to stand'n'stir, he gets an added twist like "make another dish that must included ___"

                                                                                                                I'd love to see him goofing off in a kitchen with Richard Blais.

                                                                                                              2. re: Kris in Beijing

                                                                                                                Aarti said that she started filming her show just days after they filmed the last episode of her season of NFNS. Her first show aired just one week after the NFNS finale.

                                                                                                    2. Quantum Kitchen 2 : The Sequel

                                                                                                      1. Did any of you actually watch that show? It looked like he was getting progressively drunker. At one point he was kinda just ingesting and grinning. It was amusing, but I would have liked to see more.

                                                                                                        1. Ouch. "Guys, my show is called Twitter. Enough already."--Justin Warner on Twitter responding to queries about where his show is.

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                                                                                                          1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                            Wow! Guess the one hour special is all he is getting.

                                                                                                            1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                              Wouldn't you love to know the story behind that?


                                                                                                              1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                oh absolutely! Although I wasn't a big fan of his, he definitely was way more interesting and talented than any of the recent winners of NFNS. It is a shame that FN dropped the ball with him.

                                                                                                                1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                                  Maybe he was too rebellious, (and I'm not even kidding about that.)


                                                                                                                  1. re: The Dairy Queen

                                                                                                                    What I tell myself--and this is entirely guesswork on my part--is that Alton and Justin intended to do a cooking show, and FN wanted something different. That's show biz. Everyone seems still on friendly turns and no bridges seem burned.

                                                                                                                    1. re: ennuisans

                                                                                                                      If they just wanted 'a cooking show' we would have seen it last fall. Shooting Justin in a studio kitchen for a couple of weeks would have been the easiest thing for FN. Following this thread and related links, it is hard to know what Justin had (or still has) in mind. I suspect a scattered bunch of grandiose ideas.

                                                                                                                      Fans seem to want Good Eats II, not realizing how much work went into the original GE episodes.

                                                                                                                      Has anyone been following his recaps of the current NFNS episodes?

                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                        I read a few of Justin's recaps, they weren't particularly insightful or overly witty. No Hugh Acheson for sure.

                                                                                                          2. Justin was on Altons podcast on the Nerdist channel just recently from the dates on the comments. He did shoot Rebel Eats and continues to work in his restaurant. Also sounds like Alton is still very much behind him.


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                                                                                                            1. This entry in Wikipedia says it all-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                                                                                              Alton Brown announced on January 4, 2013, that he will "regrettably" not be producing Justin's show. [11] In March 2013, Justin Warner debuted a one-hour pilot special on Food Network titled Rebel Eats.

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                                                                                                              1. re: califnyorleansfoodee

                                                                                                                I actually posted the picture of Alton's Post-It Tweet saying that up above in the thread.

                                                                                                                I wrote a piece elsewhere about what happened to Justin Warner and included his response to what must have been loads of questions about when he would appear on FN again right at the time of this past season's finale of FN Star.

                                                                                                                He posted on Twitter: "Guys my show is called Twitter. Enough already." After I tweeted a link to my post to him, he claimed that he was just joking and that he was "still tight with Food Network".

                                                                                                                I guess we shall see.

                                                                                                                1. re: califnyorleansfoodee

                                                                                                                  I found a picture of the Tweet on my computer!

                                                                                                                  1. re: Njchicaa

                                                                                                                    How I wish y'all could see Justin on that episode of 24 Hour Restaurant Battle hosted by Scott Conant. Then you'd get a good idea why the dude doesn't have a show.

                                                                                                                    1. re: TrishUntrapped

                                                                                                                      I saw that one. He was a total d-bag.

                                                                                                                2. Couldn't keep this to myself:

                                                                                                                  "Guys my first mastered rap track is in my hands. I can't release it yet cuz we gotta shoot the vid. There is a reference to cronuts. #fiya"


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                                                                                                                  1. He and Marcel should totally do some type of Halloween cooking special. Werewolf vs Vampire.

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                                                                                                                    1. re: rochfood

                                                                                                                      Marcel paired up with Spike for this year's 'scary combinations' ICA episode.

                                                                                                                      "^90 The secret ingredient consisted of five "scary" pairs of ingredient: avocado and coffee, chile and vanilla, pickle and peanut butter, mushrooms and apricots, and marrow bones and fruit candy. The chefs were required to prepare one dish using each combination of ingredients. The Culinary Curveball consisted of one trick and one treat hidden from the chefs' view; the challengers, having won the first dish, were given first choice of ingredient and chose the trick."


                                                                                                                      1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                        I despise these sorts of cooking demonstrations. That's probably why I do not watch Chopped, that and I find Ted Allen's 'chopped' delivery to be annoying. I don't like most of the judges all that much either, other than that, it's a fine show.

                                                                                                                        1. re: John E.

                                                                                                                          In other words, you haven't watched the episode, but you are going to express your dislike anyways. :)

                                                                                                                          1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                            That's funny..thanks for the info.

                                                                                                                    2. I wish Justin would come back. Miss him! It's amazing to me that some people here find Aarti "grating". Why? Because she's not an obnoxious, overacting jerk? Ugh. People amaze me.

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                                                                                                                      1. re: TrishaWWW

                                                                                                                        He was on a recent Grocery Games episode. He'd been eliminated by the time I tuned in (1st).

                                                                                                                        1. re: paulj

                                                                                                                          Knocked out by his own cleverness.