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forward thinking cholent recipes

cwsilverberg Oct 25, 2012 06:59 AM

there is not much more old school hymish than cholent what does everybody think we can add to our cholent to jazz it up and make it more modern? looking for easy home ideas.

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    rockycat RE: cwsilverberg Oct 25, 2012 07:28 AM

    All I can offer here is the Cuban-style cholent I tried to make a few years ago. I will not repeat that mistake again.

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      ferret RE: rockycat Oct 25, 2012 07:44 AM

      I've done Cuban-style pretty successfully. More of a black-bean stew than a cholent. We smoke our own short ribs and add to the mix. Great served with rice.

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      DeisCane RE: cwsilverberg Oct 25, 2012 07:45 AM

      Take out the potatoes. Add chili powder.

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        ferret RE: cwsilverberg Oct 25, 2012 07:51 AM

        As per my post above we do a fair amount of smoking. In addition to smoked short ribs, smoked turkey legs add a nice kick to a regular cholent. Also there's been a resurgence in Kosher sausage varieties recently, many of which will add flavor and variety to cholent. Neshama has a couple of beef & lamb sausages that you can add to any recipe in large chunks. The Jack's are okay but they are more like flavored hot dogs than true sausage. In Chicago we are lucky enough to have some good sausage options from Romanian.

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          DeisCane RE: ferret Oct 25, 2012 07:56 AM

          Smoked turkey thigh is even better in cholent.

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          MaTi RE: cwsilverberg Oct 25, 2012 08:38 AM

          People dont vary their recipe much after they perfect their blend, but there are little things that you could do.
          1. Add Marrow Bones if you dont already. Alternatively you could also use ribs,they impart a different more beefy flavor.
          2. Change up the spices. Keep the base (garlic, chopped onion, paprika, chili powder), and add curry / cumin / mustard seed / and a drop of ground red pepper.
          3. A little sweetness is good to offset the chili, I started using light brown sugar, it has a deeper flavor than other sugars.

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            SoCal Mother RE: cwsilverberg Oct 25, 2012 08:54 AM

            Ugh, that reminds me. I am having the NCSY crowd over for oneg Friday night. That means I need to put my cholent up tonight so it will be ready by 9 pm. It's an NCSY thing. Personally the thought of eating cholent for dessert sounds revolting.

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              rockycat RE: SoCal Mother Oct 25, 2012 10:47 AM

              I find the thought of eating most cholent revolting. But that's a personal thing. :-)

              Good luck with the horde.

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                SoCal Mother RE: rockycat Oct 26, 2012 07:01 AM

                It's 7 am. I am getting dressed for work and getting my son up for school and MY WHOLE HOUSE SMELLS OF CHOLENT. That's just plain weird.

                PS To CW Silverberg, I am sorry for hijacking your thread. I really do make very good cholent, just not very "forward thinking." My trick is to add much more water than most folks would do and then run the crockpot on high. Otherwise it's just the usual blend of potatoes, short ribs, onions, barley, (optional) red beans and lots of cumin. To serve it for NCSY, start it Thursday evening...

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                  cwsilverberg RE: SoCal Mother Oct 26, 2012 07:12 AM

                  thanks for keeping the post going this is great, but im looking for more forward thinking like a lamb curry/coconut milk based cholent. how well would it stand up in a crockpot cokking on low for twenty hours? any other ideas?

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                    DeisCane RE: cwsilverberg Oct 26, 2012 07:34 AM

                    How about a tagine with the couscous already in there?

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                      KosherChef RE: cwsilverberg Oct 26, 2012 07:38 AM

                      I have never tried to do a coconut based cholent but these are the things I would look out for:
                      Coconut milk does not do well when cooked with other fats or acids. they wont emulsify so the sauce might look separated. I wouldnt use a marrow bone or kishka when making this cholent. It also doesnt do well with long cooking periods. You might have to add a little more at the end to brighten the dish, in color and flavor.
                      I would use coconut milk in the liquid as a component, maybe supplement it with water, stock, etc, keeping in mind i will add a little coconut milk at the end. Any citrus zest, lemongrass, ginger (not too much, spicy) etc will go well with the coconut.
                      With regard to a forward thinking cholent as a topic, while I am a slave to the classic when it comes to cholent ( I like a creamy barlye based cholent, low and slow, no cumin..ugh), using a different grain besides barley such as quinoia or maybe a wheatberry feels like the way to go. The liquid needs far all grains will be different, just make sure it is nice and creamy.

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                        ferret RE: KosherChef Oct 26, 2012 09:39 AM

                        Had a Rebbe growing up who, being ahead of his time, served a "deconstructed" cholent, with only the meat and potatoes cooked together overnight and the barley, beans and other mix-ins served in separate bowls at the table, so everyone could set their own proportions. No reason you couldn't employ this methodology to more unconventional preparations.

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                          njkosher RE: ferret Oct 26, 2012 09:45 AM

                          We sometimes replace the beef with lamb neck bones. Comes out great. We also dont use any beans as my wife is allergic, so its barley, potatoes and onions, and whatever seasoning my wife puts in.

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                            avitrek RE: ferret Oct 26, 2012 10:53 AM

                            I don't think this approach works for cholent. The point of cholent and other stews is to use a small amount of meat to flavor the beans/barley that provide the substance. If you cook the beans and barley separately you lose that.

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                              ferret RE: avitrek Oct 26, 2012 12:07 PM

                              It works very well. You don't just make a bland pot of barley, it's seasoned during cooking and the cholent mixture does have a "gravy" of sorts.

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                            mamaleh RE: KosherChef Oct 30, 2012 10:35 AM

                            Kosherchef: All you need is a pad thai kugel to go with it!

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                              CloggieGirl RE: mamaleh Oct 31, 2012 02:40 PM

                              Do you have a recipe for that or just making a joke? It would finally be a noodle kugel I'd want to eat. I don't like the sweet or peppery ones.

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                                mamaleh RE: CloggieGirl Oct 31, 2012 04:39 PM

                                Totally serious, but I haven't tried a recipe yet. Got to thinking it would make a fun Shabbat dinner after a great meal at Beverley Hills Thai. Started to google some, and looks like there are some recipes out there.

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                    ferret RE: cwsilverberg Oct 26, 2012 09:53 AM


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                      PotatoPuff RE: cwsilverberg Oct 26, 2012 01:22 PM

                      Add sweet potatoes

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                        ferret RE: PotatoPuff Oct 26, 2012 02:32 PM

                        Oddly, doesn't do it for me - too sweet. Other root vegetables work, though, I posted on another thread about this wonderful roasted root vegetable goulash I ate which really was an eye-opener. Beets, turnips, parsnips and celery root do have an appreciable sweetness when cubed and roasted (with some added visual appeal).

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                          cappucino RE: ferret Oct 29, 2012 03:49 AM

                          Love the deconstructed idea. That's a little hip. I want to stop a moment to say, Wow, I'll bet our Bubbies and Zaidies back in Europe (or whichever part of the world we are from) as they shlepped their Cholent pot over to the communal oven/fire (as my Bahby described) would never dream of this scene. A bunch of yuppies/foodies sitting over an IPAD musing about how to make a "forward-thinking" cholent in our granite kitchens equipped with Shabbos mode ovens (not my kitchen, btw). Unbelievable.

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                            MiriamRochel RE: cappucino Nov 1, 2012 03:17 AM

                            Sephardic Jews put ingredients for chulent in cheesecloth bags that are then cooked in the same pot with the meat (i.e. rice, barley, etc.) and of course eggs. They have been doing this forever. And it is yummny

                      2. gotcholent RE: cwsilverberg Oct 29, 2012 06:30 AM

                        I think that I prefer the term "Sideways thinking" to your forward thinking CW. Yidden all over the world have been making cholent/hameen based on their local available proteins, spices and veg. Imagine yourself in another part of the world and then make the adaptations. Here are a couple of ideas from my own vault:

                        French "Chaud-Lent" Cassolet with duck and veal sausage

                        Irish Schleppers Pie (add a bit more water/broth then usual and top with your fav Potato Kugel Mix on top) It looks like a kugel until you cut into it and the meaty goodness shows itself. Always a crowd-pleaser!

                        Lamb Tagine

                        Texas Smokehouse Chili Style

                        Tuscan Stufatto (Fat Stew) with over-sized heavily spiced meatballs, white beans and roma tomatoes

                        For work we prepare 18 types of cholent from around the world. With that said the possible variations are infinite....have fun with it.

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                          SoCal Mother RE: gotcholent Oct 30, 2012 12:07 PM

                          Gotcholent, that irish pie sounds yummy! Can you please give a more idiot-proof recipe?

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                            gotcholent RE: SoCal Mother Oct 31, 2012 04:19 PM

                            SoCal, generally I am not shy on these threads with my recipes, but this is not one that I can share. I import Marmite from South America (under the LBD) and use it and Guinness along with lamb and veal for an incredibly assertive base (beef cheek, short ribs, 2nd cut brisket or deckle would all work as well). I would suggest combing through any of the Sheppard's pie recipes here on CHOW, same with the Potato kugel and marry the two in your oven at 200 overnight or in your crockpot for Shabbas. The best advise I can give is to give a good browning to your meats and reserve the fats for the cholent, and to add about 15% more liquid then you normally would to allow for the overnight cook. This combo won me my first Cholent throwdown against a handfull of tough competitors including Jeffery Nathan a few years back and is a winter slam dunk for your guest as it comes to the table looking like an innocent Potato Kugel and then offers up it's heady goodness to the first wise enough to dig in.

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                              cheesecake17 RE: gotcholent Oct 31, 2012 06:08 PM

                              Gotcholent... Can you help? Just bought a crock pot and I want to attempt cholent this weekend. The only cholent I know is the burnt potato heavy stuff we've eaten at a kiddush. Something simple! And not a crazy amount, as we're only 3 people.

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                                gotcholent RE: cheesecake17 Oct 31, 2012 08:15 PM

                                You can't do cholent for 3 people. My wife (militant vegetarian...go figure) wanted her own, so we bought the 2qt size. Anything that small can't handle an 18hr cook. Invite more friends, use short ribs, flanken or 2nd cut brisket and play with what's in your fridge. I could wax philosophic on cholent techniques till the cows come home.

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                                  SoCal Mother RE: cheesecake17 Nov 1, 2012 12:21 AM

                                  Simple cholent: 5-6 potatoes peeled and cut in 8ths, two cut up onions, half cup barley (resist the temptation to add more, ) half cup of uncooked red beans. Four strips of flanken (that means beef ribs cut across the bone so the marrow shows, NOT the BBQ ribs direction. Same meat though.) Cut it up a bit. If you are just using it for flavor only put in two strips, if you are feeding teenage boys, leave something else out and add more meat.

                                  Mix everything up into a large crockpot with the spices you like. I do cumin, my husband puts in pepper and a few bay leaves.

                                  Our secret trick: fill the rest of the pot with lots of water and cook on high. We like our cholent really mushy.

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                                    cheesecake17 RE: SoCal Mother Nov 2, 2012 10:13 AM

                                    Thanks, will try this. I've bought flanken before, but could I use short ribs? Would white beans work?

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                                      SoCal Mother RE: cheesecake17 Nov 2, 2012 01:13 PM

                                      I dont know the names of cuts of meat. I have always called it flanken, but it's the cut you make BBQ ribs with, just cut in the other direction so the marrow is exposed. Our Ralphs calls it short ribs.

                                      As far as white beans, if you like them, why noy? I dont always bother with beans.

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                                        ferret RE: cheesecake17 Nov 2, 2012 03:09 PM

                                        Short ribs are short ribs. The standard cut exposes less of the marrow, the flanken cut provides greater surface area. Either way it's the same meat/bones it just incorporates differently depending on the cut.

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                                          cheesecake17 RE: ferret Nov 4, 2012 03:34 PM

                                          Hopefully will try this weekend

                                  2. re: gotcholent
                                    SoCal Mother RE: gotcholent Nov 1, 2012 12:14 AM

                                    That's ok, i don't do complicated recipes. I don't like the fuss and my family won't eat it.

                                    I thought shepherd pie was hamburger and onions baked with mashed potatoes. ( you meant South Africa for the Marmite, didn't you?)

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                                  CloggieGirl RE: gotcholent Oct 31, 2012 02:43 PM

                                  The Irish one sounds fantastic. Basically a big shepherds pie in a slow cooker! That would be a great break from my usual cholents.

                                  I am a big fan of parsnips and celery root in cholent. They add fantastic savory and sweet elements.

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