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RoseyMiss Oct 24, 2012 10:07 PM

Hi all!

I have been lurking on here for a while and always appreciate everyone sharing their knowledge and insight. I finally came out of hiding to get some advice.

I recently found out about carbon steel de Buyer pans... I also quickly realized I couldn't afford one! I saw some old threads where folks had bought theirs on discount from Tuesday Morning. For the heck of it, I went to the one by my house and snagged a 10 inch pan.

I'm not gonna lie - this pan is a little rough around the edges. Literally. It's got some scratches and little chips off the edges, from where I imagine it's been getting abused by other pans this whole time. It also has some small rust spots and a couple small scrapes in the coated handle. And while this doesn't sound too classy, I assure you this was the best pan BY FAR. I went to the other TMs in my area, and what few they had were way worse.

So, would you keep this pan? My husband said I should take it back and put the money towards getting a nicer one. The down side is that will cost me twice as much. Black Friday/ Cyber Monday are closing in; are de Buyer pans something I could get a good deal on?

Thanks for reading my novel, and a big thanks in advance for any advice you could give me!

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  1. paulj Oct 24, 2012 10:53 PM

    Those nicks and scratches don't sound like they affect performance. They aren't like scratches in a nonstick coating. In a commercial kitchen working pans get banged up like this right away.

    Go to your husband's toolbox and find a fine file, and use that to smooth off the rim if the nicks bother you.

    1. Chemicalkinetics Oct 25, 2012 12:35 AM

      I will repeat what Paulj and some more.

      Paulj is correct. Nicks and scratches do not affect performance of a carbon steel pan. They can affect performance for other cookware like Teflon cookware or cladded cookware, but they have little to no effect on solid carbon steel cookware.

      The Debuyer pan I have also had a slightly rough edge, but not too bad.

      Now, what I want to add is the opposite side of the story. I don't know how much you pay for the DeBuyer pan, but a brand new ~10" Debuyer steel pan is about $60-70.

      However, there are cheaper alternatives. First, DeBuyer is phrasing out its Carbone Plus (previous version) cookware, so they are being sold at a lower price point. They are just as good as Mineral and Mineral B. You can get a 10"-12" Carbone Plus pan for about $30 (not including shipping).

      http://www.bakedeco.com/detail.asp?id=8518&trng=fgle&gclid=CIOaqpLTm7MCFdKd4AodZ0UAhQ#.UIjq5IYmCSo

      Another alternative is to simply look for a different brand. Paderno and Lodge and others are also selling their carbon steel pans for ~$30-35:

      http://www.amazon.com/Paderno-Heavy-Carbon-Steel-Frying/dp/B000RWGC12/ref=sr_1_2?s=home-garden&ie=UTF8&qid=1351150451&sr=1-2&keywords=carbon+steel

      http://www.amazon.com/Lodge-CRS12-Sea...

      (free shipping from Amazon

      )

      The "For" arguments are that: (1) these carbon steel cookware will eventually get scratched, and (2) these scratch marks do not worsen the cookware.

      The "Against" argument is that: Why pay for a scratched up, nicked up pan when you can get a brand new looking pan for the same price.

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        dutseal Nov 19, 2012 10:37 PM

        Hi Chemicalkinetics:

        I a newbie here but I have been reading all your posts. I clicked on the link you provided for the De Buyer Carbon Steel pans on sale at bakedeco.com and it's a very good deal. Almost bought one a de Buyer mineral pan from Amazon for about $50 something, until I see your post.

        Do you have any idea why they are phasing out the Carbone Steel frying pan?
        If you own one, are they as good as the mineral pans from de Buyer?

        Thanks!

        1. re: dutseal
          Chemicalkinetics Nov 20, 2012 06:16 AM

          Hi Dutseal,

          I do not have Carbone Plus, instead I have DeBuyer Force Blue. A few other posters here have used the Carbone Plus pans and they really like them, Dave05440, petek, mikerng ...etc. I have absolutely no question about the quality of the Carbone Plus.

          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/825003#7033603

          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/842208

          They are phrasing out Carbone Plus with Mineral for a marketing strategy -- I believe. The two lines are really the same material except that Mineral has a nicer package, and that Mineral has a little silicone button/tab at the handle (which has both pro and con

          )

          http://www.debuyer.com/images/product/551020.jpg

          I even wrote to DeBuyer, and it is confirmed by the Export Department that they are very similar. Here is from Franck Chatelain (Thanks Franck

          )

          ***
          Hello !

          Please have a look below :

          The “Mineral” line is like the “Carbone +” one, but with a better finish and packaging, more suitable for the retail market (see in the attachment)

          Rgds

          Franck CHATELAIN

          Export Dept.
          ***

          This kind of change in marketing is not unusual. Henckels is phrasing out its previous flagship Four Star with Four Star II, so you will see some leftover Four Star knives being sold at a slightly lower price.

          http://www.amazon.com/Zwillilng-J-A-Henckels-8-Inch-Stainless-Steel/dp/B00004RFKS/ref=sr_1_1?s=kitchen&ie=UTF8&qid=1353420842&sr=1-1

          http://www.amazon.com/Zwilling-J-A-He...

          1. re: Chemicalkinetics
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            dutseal Nov 20, 2012 06:33 PM

            Hi Chemicalkinetics:

            Thanks for the info and confirmation. Just to be safe I went to Cost Plus today to see maybe they have any De Buyer..but no. So after reading your post, I went ahead and order the Carbone Steele from bakedeco.com. When I get it, I will post an update...thanks for everything!

            1. re: dutseal
              Chemicalkinetics Nov 20, 2012 06:35 PM

              Your welcome. RoseyMiss below is correct. Some users here simply prefer the Carbone Plus (regardless of the price) because the Carbone Plus can be put in oven to a higher temperature due to the lack of coating and lack of silicone button. Good luck.

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                dutseal Nov 20, 2012 06:41 PM

                Yippe I'm a happy camper :)

                Thanks and hope you have a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

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              iyc_nyc Nov 20, 2012 08:58 PM

              Chem, I've heard that for equivalent size pans, the mineral line is thicker than carbone plus. Have you heard anything like this, in support of or to the contrary? thanks!

              1. re: iyc_nyc
                Chemicalkinetics Nov 20, 2012 10:22 PM

                <I've heard that for equivalent size pans, the mineral line is thicker than carbone plus.

                Hi iyc nyc,

                I have not heard of that. Based on the company brochure, the two lines have the same thickness. Here you can see that Debuyer Carbone Plus fry pan is 2.5 mm thick for 18 cm diameter to 24 cm, and 3 mm thick for 26 cm diameter onward:

                http://www.debuyer.com/product.php?id=14&cat=14&background=bleu1

                same thickness scheme for Mineral fry pan

                http://www.debuyer.com/product.php?id...

                And based on the people I have talked to, they should be same thickness as well.

            3. re: dutseal
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              RoseyMiss Nov 20, 2012 06:08 PM

              I just wanted to add, having now seen and handled both the Mineral and Carbone Plus lines, that there aren't any significant differences between them. Both are very nice, thick, and heavy. You would be happy with either one! I like the handle coating better on the Carbone Plus though.

              1. re: RoseyMiss
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                dutseal Nov 20, 2012 06:37 PM

                Hi Rosey:

                Great. I already ordered the Carbone line from bakedeco.com. Now my quest to find a teflon free cookware is almost complete :)

                Happy Thanksgiving to all of you!

                1. re: dutseal
                  breadchick Nov 21, 2012 04:17 AM

                  dutseal,
                  Welcome to the de Buyer club - enjoy!!

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                    dutseal Nov 21, 2012 07:18 AM

                    Thank you.......I will ;)

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            RoseyMiss Oct 25, 2012 09:09 AM

            Thanks for your help!

            When I was originally scoping out carbon steel, I saw the options Chem listed. I didn't go with Kerekes because they only offered free shipping on the 32 cm size and above. Seeing the link piqued my curiosity again, so I did a CS chat with Kerekes about why the other pans didn't qualify. Turns out it was an error, so now any purchase of $99 + on deBuyer has free standard shipping. I got 3 pans for a good price. The free shipping and no tax helped a lot.

            Just a heads up for anyone else in the market. Thank you again!

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            1. re: RoseyMiss
              Chemicalkinetics Oct 25, 2012 10:08 AM

              <Turns out it was an error, so now any purchase of $99 + on deBuyer has free standard shipping>

              Good to know. Thanks for informing us. Sounded like you placed an order for 3 pans. So can we presume that you will be returning the Tuesday Morning pan?

              1. re: Chemicalkinetics
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                RoseyMiss Oct 25, 2012 10:26 AM

                Yeah, it's going back. One that I bought is a similar size, so I can't justify keeping both. I'll miss the little guy though. He's been living on my desk until I could decide his fate. We're kinda close now. : P

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                  breadchick Oct 25, 2012 03:44 PM

                  And, as long as you didn't name it... ;-)

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                    RoseyMiss Oct 25, 2012 05:11 PM

                    Ha! Nah, the personification only got as far as gender, apparently...

                  2. re: RoseyMiss
                    Chemicalkinetics Oct 25, 2012 04:41 PM

                    .... Have you told him yet? Does he know you are breaking up with him? Or is he still in the dark and think all is fine between you and him?

                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
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                      RoseyMiss Oct 25, 2012 05:15 PM

                      I think I muttered "Sorry buddy" when I clicked the submit button on my order. That's probably the best he's going to get!

                      1. re: RoseyMiss
                        breadchick Oct 26, 2012 06:36 PM

                        Cold. Break-up via "submit."

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                          kaleokahu Oct 26, 2012 06:56 PM

                          There must be 50 ways to leave your fryer.

                          1. re: breadchick
                            Chemicalkinetics Oct 26, 2012 07:00 PM

                            <Cold. Break-up via "submit.">

                            I know. I don't think I can take it. I wish him well.

                            1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                              breadchick Oct 26, 2012 08:21 PM

                              Rust in peace.

                              1. re: breadchick
                                Chemicalkinetics Oct 26, 2012 08:22 PM

                                <Rust in peace.>

                                Ha ha ha. You are good.

                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                  breadchick Oct 26, 2012 08:47 PM

                                  Well, I've had issues with pans.

                                  1. re: breadchick
                                    Chemicalkinetics Oct 26, 2012 08:56 PM

                                    Suddenly, (and no apparent reason), this song "Somewhere Over the Rainbow" came to me after these posts about an abandoned pan:

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_DKWl...

                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics
                                      breadchick Oct 26, 2012 09:00 PM

                                      So cool - love that!

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                          RoseyMiss Oct 27, 2012 03:19 PM

                          This situation is hard enough without him getting a tribute song... You're killing me here!

                          1. re: RoseyMiss
                            breadchick Oct 27, 2012 07:01 PM

                            Just put a wreath near the cupboard.

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                              wabi Nov 20, 2012 07:03 PM

                              I never throw away a pan. They may go to the bottom of the stack...but I never throw them away.

                              Like a good knife...they might sometime get used.....

                              1. re: wabi
                                breadchick Nov 21, 2012 04:18 AM

                                They're on the island of mis-fit pans...

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