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Oct 16, 2012 07:47 AM

New "Concept" wines from Bordeaux

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  1. I don't know who said it, but it reminds me of the saying- Bordeaux winemakers are businessmen, Burgundy winemakers are farmers.

    I like farmers.

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      1. re: ChefJune

        Burgundy is declaring back to back to back vintages of the decade/century with steadily increasing prices also. The farmers have learned to be businessmen it seems.

        1. re: Porthos

          I raise an eyebrow on that one-- none of the growers we talk to across the country were all that excited about this year -- France had a ridiculously wet and cold spring and early summer -- as in still closing the house up at night in July because it's too cold and wet.

          1. re: sunshine842

            and I do as well. The folks I know say the quality will be very good to excellent, but there are not that many grapes....

            1. re: ChefJune

              Exactly, good quality, low yields, higher prices. The excellent quality low yield line already being used on 2010 to elevate prices above the previously much touted 2009. Sound familiar? In the past decade you have the highly acclaimed 2002, 2005, 2009, and 2010 already. Just as many blockbuster years as Bordeaux in the same time span.

              Check wineberserkers for the 2012 Burgundy harvest thread and here:


              "But in the end – quality-wise – 2012 has turned out, not merely 'all right', but really very good indeed, if not perhaps even very fine. I have already heard the wines refered to as 'classic'. There are some who regard the potential of 2012 reds as superior to anything recent, and that includes 2010, 2009, 2005 and other years."

    1. "The idea behind the SGC brand was to find underperforming wines in great terroirs and give each grower the cash, expert resources and equipment to enable them to realise their full potential."

      So this is sort of "The Bachelor" meets "The Swan" for wines that aren't making the grade on their own? Take the ugly duckling, throw money at it and put it in a swish new package, and flog it to all the desperate and needy -- never paying attention to the fact that this hot-looking guy (after all kinds of new clothes, trendy grooming, and a little plastic surgery, but still lacking in education and manners) still picks his nose, belches at the table, and thinks yogurt is a new kind of culture.

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      1. My question is regarding the term "underperforming". Does this mean that the wine is not selling well, or that the vineyard is not producing quality grapes, or the vintner is not up to snuff?. This 'terroir" means so much more in France, but does it follow that because my neighbor makes great wine that I should be able to?. Just having a great property is not all it takes. At over 200 pounds a bottle I doubt if they are trying to sell swill to the masses, but then again I don't quite get the Bordeaux way of marketing.

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        1. re: budnball

          it could be any or all of the options -- if it's underperforming off the blocks, I have a hard time buying that a slick bottle and somebody's signature (exchanged, no doubt, for a large percentage of the wad of cash that they threw at the project) is going to make an underperforming wine/vineyard/vintner anything but a handsome, nose-picking boor.

          1. re: sunshine842

            "ah but can that boy ..Foxtrot! :-)

            1. re: budnball

              sorry, was having a Sondheim moment.

              1. re: budnball

                and he only steps on his partner's feet every OTHER step.

          2. re: budnball

            >>> This 'terroir" means so much more in France, but does it follow that because my neighbor makes great wine that I should be able to? <<<

            No, and it has NEVER meant that.

            1. re: zin1953

              My question was rhetorical of course but so much of the advertising or selling of wine tries to make a case for their proximity to a fabled vintage or Chateau or such. Even in the article above, one of the parties involved, comments on the the fact that one the chosen property is "directly adjacent to one of Bordeaux's historic First Growths." Of course this is not limited to Bordeaux, many Napa Valley wines are sold the same way.

              1. re: budnball

                to me, that sort of silly-speak just tells me that okay, you've thrown down the gauntlet that you have the save cepage and the same pony up and produce a wine that stands up to the neighbors.

                1. re: budnball

                  And you BELIEVE them???

                  Seriously, you said it yourself: "so much of ADVERTISING or SELLING of wine . . . " (emphasis added) It's advertising! So what? You think it's the truth? ("You want the truth? You can't handle the truth!") Just because you have the right soil, the right microclimate, the right grapes planted, etc., etc., etc. is NO guarantee your wine will be any good . . . might it be a "leg up," so to speak? Yes, it might. But it in NO WAY means that Wine X is the equal of Wine Y -- one still has to actually make the wine!