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Stovetop "espresso" pot?

josephnl Oct 11, 2012 03:11 PM

I rather enjoy an occasional cup of stovetop "espresso"...yes, I know it't not really espresso...thus the quotes. I know that Bialetti's are cheap and fine, but I'd prefer something with a bit more style. Is it worth putting out the way more bucks for an Alessi? I know they look great, but do they make better coffee? Is there something in between that looks and works great? I can afford the Allessi, but $200 is a lot, unless aside from the style, it really does make better coffee. What would you recommend?

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  1. MikeB3542 RE: josephnl Oct 11, 2012 05:23 PM

    Ah, a thing of beauty is a joy forever!

    The Bodum Chambord 3-cup moka pot costs only a few bucks more ($30) than the Bialetti, but has a more stylish appearance. Do be aware that some folks have had issues with them (mostly with the handles and seals) but I have had no such issues. It's aluminum, with either a polished or black finish. Larger units will cost more. Stainless steel models typically break the bank.

    Nicest looking, in my opinion, are those by Vev Vigano ...cost will depend on size, but should be able to get for under $100. I have personally never used a Vev Vigano moka pot, so can't say how well they work.

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      Chi_Guy RE: MikeB3542 Oct 14, 2012 10:41 PM

      I actually own a well-worn Vev Vigano, 2-cup moka pot as well as a 4-cup Bialetti Musa. Both are stainless steel. The Vev Vigano despite being smaller cost a little more than the Musa, $39 to $33...not obscenely expensive. But the larger units can be pricey. The one difference I've noticed between the two is the water to coffee ratio is different. The 2-cup VV brews 2 oz of coffee while the 4-cup Bialetti 6 oz. As you might guess, ounce for ounce the VV coffee is richer and stronger than the Bialetti. Not sure why that is but it's one of the reasons why I prefer the coffee I brew in the VV.

    2. Becca Porter RE: josephnl Oct 12, 2012 07:20 AM

      I am coveting Bialetti's Brikka pot. It has a special central valve that produces crema. I currently use Bialetti's stainless steel Class pot.

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        SWISSAIRE RE: Becca Porter Oct 13, 2012 04:57 PM

        2x+ for the Bialetti stainless steel cooktop pot.

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          Chi_Guy RE: Becca Porter Oct 14, 2012 10:45 PM

          But does the coffee itself taste any different than a standard moka pot? Crema is not always a good indicator of the quality of the espresso. Pressurized portafilters on espresso machines can produce crema no matter how bad a shot you pull.

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            Becca Porter RE: Chi_Guy Oct 15, 2012 06:36 AM

            I can't say myself, but it seems to have converted a lot of people on the coffee forums.

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              fame da lupo RE: Chi_Guy Oct 15, 2012 09:57 AM

              The Brikka does_not_produce a true crema but it does produce a greater atmospheric pressure in the chamber therefore the coffee has a little more body. I ditched the Brikka and went back to the Moka b/c I found the Brikka fussy, easily clogged, and not cost effective (requires a large amount of grounds for a small extraction).

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                scubadoo97 RE: Chi_Guy Dec 14, 2012 06:21 PM

                But that's fake crema

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                  MikeB3542 RE: scubadoo97 Dec 17, 2012 02:04 PM

                  Fake crema? Go on....

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                    fame da lupo RE: MikeB3542 Dec 17, 2012 07:34 PM

                    It doesn't produce enough pressure to extract the volatile chemicals from the beans that you find in a true crema. The texture of the fake crema is indeed distinct from the body of the coffee but it lacks the flavors of a true crema. Also, I found that my Brikka made a wide range of "cremas" (no two coffees turned out the same), some quite bubbly. On occasion, I'd get a crema that aesthetically appeared "true."

            2. fame da lupo RE: josephnl Oct 14, 2012 10:26 PM

              I think the Bialetti Moka has a timeless style. The others look like nouveaux riches imposters.

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                josephnl RE: josephnl Dec 13, 2012 04:12 PM

                OK...I guess I'm dumb. I've just bought a stainless steel Bialetti pot and have used it just a few times. It works great, but I have a silly question. How do you know when the brewing is completed and that the pot should be removed from the stove? I opened the top once while it was still gurgling and coffee got all over the stove. Do you wait until the gurgling completely stops before taking it off the heat...or what???

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                  tim irvine RE: josephnl Dec 13, 2012 04:31 PM

                  You know that noise you make when you are drinking with a straw and run out of liquid but are still sucking? That is the "I am ready" noise. Don't let it make the noise long or your coffee will taste burnt (because it is burnt). Better to leave a smidgen of water in the bottom than to let it go too long.

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                    andrewtree RE: josephnl Dec 13, 2012 05:46 PM

                    I found the method described in this article works very well and I think answers your question

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                      fame da lupo RE: josephnl Dec 14, 2012 09:50 AM

                      "Critical final step: turn off the flame when the upper section is half full, to avoid overheating and burning the coffee."

                      This. Have the lid open so you can see when the chamber is nearing full and then turn off the flame.

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                        MikeB3542 RE: fame da lupo Dec 14, 2012 02:06 PM

                        You have to work overtime to burn the coffee...there ought never be any brewed coffee in the lower reservoir (the part that is being heated), just water.

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                          Becca Porter RE: fame da lupo Dec 14, 2012 02:39 PM

                          I have recently been adding a touch of water to the upper chamber before heating. That way the coffee is buffered from the hot metal. It helps prevent the burned taste.

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                            josephnl RE: fame da lupo Dec 14, 2012 03:00 PM

                            How do you know when the upper chamber is half full? If you open the lid too soon, coffee shoots all over the place!

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                              tim irvine RE: josephnl Dec 14, 2012 04:55 PM

                              Not in my regular Bialetti. It is a little fountain. If the grind is too coarse it spurts.

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                                fame da lupo RE: tim irvine Dec 14, 2012 06:19 PM

                                Right - the Moka pot should have a steady flow (like a fountain) of coffee. Only at the end does it start to spurt. The idea is to turn off the flame before this spurting happens, as this coffee has poor flavor. You can therefore leave the lid up and observe.

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                                  MikeB3542 RE: fame da lupo Dec 17, 2012 02:01 PM

                                  Thinking it ought to be more of a dribble than a fountain....remember: LOW heat. No mess, no burnt coffee taste, no scorched handle, no blown out pressure valves.

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                                    fame da lupo RE: MikeB3542 Dec 17, 2012 07:34 PM

                                    Sorry, my words failed me. It never "arcs" out of the top but flows directly down the metal stem and into the bowl. The flow is more than a dribble but goes at a slow, constant pace until the "spurting" happens (which means you left the heat on too long).

                        2. hill food RE: josephnl Dec 13, 2012 04:18 PM

                          I regret having discarded my ancient, retro 'Vesuviana' in a long ago move...

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