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jessicablock Oct 8, 2012 02:52 PM

Hi All,

I've been to Paris several times but I'd love some help finalizing my restaurant list.. If you have any to remove or add, feel free to share:

Frenchie (was able to get a 7pm reso but I'm turned off by some recent feedback.. is it too touristy at this point? With all the great restaurants, both new and old, in Paris, is it worth going to Frenchie?

Terrior Parisien - lunch
Le Pantruche - dinner
Septime - Dinner
Comptoir du Relais (been a couple times and it's the one restaurant from my last trip that i'll duplicate.. others were excellent, L'Ami Jean, Chateaubriand, Aux Lyonnais, but i'm trying to go to different places this year.

Le Baratin - lunch
Aux Tonneaux des Halles - lunch (not sure if I want to keep this one..)
Les Cocottes - lunch
Cafe Musees (if we're in the marais and want a quick bite)

Thanks in advance!

  1. Parigi Oct 8, 2012 03:34 PM

    "is it too touristy at this point?"

    The food is never touristy.

    "With all the great restaurants, both new and old, in Paris, is it worth going to Frenchie?"

    What I thought was not worth it is to do insomniac cartwheels to get a reservation, and many disagree with me.
    Once you have a reservation, by all means, go. It is a very nice experience and is one of the best picks of your list.

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      jessicablock Oct 8, 2012 03:49 PM

      Right, not the food but the restaurant itself (touristy). Thanks for your comments. My friend who is from Paris said it's popular among Americans and the only people she hears of asking about it are from the US.. However, i'll take it with a grain of salt. I would have preferred the 930 seating since 7 is way too early but we'll take what we can get.

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        Parnassien Oct 8, 2012 04:14 PM

        Your parisien friend is quite right. Having been canonized by the New York Times, Frenchie thrives on visitor traffic but is now largely ignored, except for a sneer or two, by us locals. The quality may well indeed be excellent but having to book months in advance is too decidedly uncool for any proper parisien to tolerate. And there are so many other restaurants as good or better that we have trouble in understanding the tourist's fixation on getting a table at Frenchie and missing out on Caius, Roseval, Pierre-Sang Boyer, etc etc etc.

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          jessicablock Oct 8, 2012 05:18 PM

          That's exactly what I suspected.. did you happen to see the other restaurants on my initial thread? Any I should skip or add? I'll look into caius, roseval, Pierre Sang Boyer, but let me know when you have a chance about the others.. (le baratin, les cocottes, Aux Tonneaux des Halles, Terrior Parisien, Septime).. My boyfriend is fluent in French so that definitely helps quite a bit! Thank you for your feedback.

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            Parnassien Oct 9, 2012 01:43 AM

            I think your choices are mostly excellent and nicely include a variety of styles/ tones. I'm particuarly fond of Septime's vibe, quartier, and cuisine. I don't find the food at Terroir Parisien to be spectacular (just simply very good) but I love its sleek style and buzz. Le Pantruche is a hot table and I enjoy the food and the atmosphere immensely except when I'm in a conspiratorial or seductive mood. Les Cocottes, quite adequate although I marginally prefer the Café Constant... both are no rezzies which means getting there very early or very late to avoid a long wait. Le Baratin, great for dinner but I've never been for lunch... Belleville, at least for me, is much more interesting at night. Aux Tonneaux des Halles, not really on my radar... I suppose it would be fine if you happen to be wandering up the rue Montorgueil but I doubt if it's a destination restaurant.... you can easily find good honest bistro grub at the same price point in every quartier.

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              jessicablock Oct 9, 2012 08:34 AM

              Thank you! Ok, minor roadblock with my plan.. I'm only in Paris from a Friday morning, 7am, through Monday morning before going out to Alsace... and then we return on a Saturday and leave on a Sunday. Now I'm realizing most places (Septime, Le Pantruche, Caius, Roseval) are only open Monday to Friday which doesn't work out well with my dates.

              Basically I need to choose between the above mentioned because those are Monday-Friday only. Which would you choose for lunch and dinner? What are your thoughts on Au Passage?

              For Saturday, I think we can try Le Baratin for dinner.. open for lunch suggestions. we could always try Les Cocottes but would like to have some options.

              Sunday - Lunch maybe at Terrior Parisien.. (other suggestions?) Comptoir or Pierre-Sang Boyer for dinner..

              If you have any feedback on whether one restaurant is better on a saturday vs sunday, lunch vs dinner, i'd love to hear. Sorry for all the questions just want to figure it out given that issue w/ most being only Mon to Fri. Thank you all!

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                Parnassien Oct 9, 2012 10:48 AM

                Since an early dinner might be tolerable on your arrival day, maybe Pierre-Sang Boyer. But only if you are there by 6:45 at the latest to get in the queue... very "dans le vent" place so you will have a long long wait if you get there any later... it does seem to loosen up towards 10pm but, on a Friday night, you never know. Backup plan: Ober-Salé at 17 rue Oberkampf... relatively undiscovered and very good... although it verges on the immoral, I'd have a reservation in my pocket for, say, 8 which you can cancel if you get into Pierre-Sang ... there are loads of bars and cafés on the rue Oberkampf for an apéro to kill the time. I also like hanging out in Haut-Marais/ 3rd and good choices there in your price rang would be the oh-so-cutesy Le Taxi Jaune on the rue Chapon (but a warning: Trigger is on the menu), Pramil on the rue Vertbois, and, for just a simple seafood meal, l'Ilot on the rue Corderie off the rue Dupetit-Thouars... before and after, you can check out the flâneur scene on the rue Bretagne (Café Charlot at the rue Charlot and, higher marks on the see-and-be-seen scale, Le Progès at the rue Vieille-du-Temple). By the way, all except le Taxi Jaune are open on Saturday in case you want to switch the Friday line-up to make room for Septime.

                Au Passage, I like a lot but is much more "foodie" at lunch than dinner... and the 4-course lunch formule is a steal. Unfortunately, not open for lunch on Saturday or Sunday so, for you, it gets put on your Friday-only or Monday-only list.

                Saturday lunch, I presume that you will be Eiffel-Towering it if Les Cocottes is one of your choices. But you might also like to consider le Dernier Métro on the boulevard Grenelle at Dupleix métro in the 15th for a bit of jovial Basque (and one of the best values in Paris), Pottoka on the rue de l'Exposition in the 7th for more little more refined and expensive but still fun sud-ouest cuisine, or Tokyo Eats in the Palais de Tokyo if you are in the mood for a trendy clientele and a very contemporary vibe. Saturday dinner, it seems you want to explore the outer arrondissements (which is a good thing since on Saturday nights Parisiens tend to stay close to home to avoid the suburban and tourist hordes in central Paris) so Baratin is a good choice. As is Chapeau Melon on the rue Rébeval in the 19th but booking can be a problem since it is very small and there is just one short dinner session (from 8:30pm). For a more hip vibe, le Chatomat on the rue Victor-Letalle in the 20th ... or Le Galopin on the place Sainte-Marthe in the 10th for a small-plate tasting menu... quartier-wise, Le Galopin gets extra points for the charm factor. Rezzies are essential everywhere.

                Sunday, brunch is very popular at Terroir Parisien so dinner is probably a better option to be sure of better food and a more relaxed vibe. For lunch, maybe Mini-Palais in the Grand Palais because you have a choice of snack or full meal. Other places on my Sunday short-list (both lunch and dinner), Chardenoux des Prés on the rue Dragon in the 6th, Atao (seafood) on the rue Lemercier in the 17th, Le Cul de Poule on the rue des Martyrs in the 9th, Le Floréal on the rue Faubourg du Temple in the 10th, Café des Musées in the 3rd, and, for the fun factor, Derrière, on the rue Gravailliers in the 3rd. When u're in the right mood, the big landmark brasseries on the boulevard Montparnasse... La Coupole, La Rotonde and the Closerie des Lilas-- might also work... the food is not spectacular but the settings, vibe, buzz, and sense of history usually add up to a memorable meal. The Piano Bar at the Closerie des Lilas is also very recommendable.

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                  jessicablock Oct 9, 2012 11:56 AM

                  wow - thanks for all the new suggestions.. talk about being overwhelmed with choices. We're actually staying in an apartment in le marais so we'll be close to all those great restaurants you mentioned.. definitely want to pop in to Cafe Musees, and Derrière .. The piano Bar idea sounds great for Sunday as well - thanks for the tip.

                  Since Pierre-Sang Boyer is open on Sunday, wouldn't you think it's best to go there then rather than a Friday night? Septime, Roseval,etc are only open weekdays so maybe it's best to go there on the Friday instead... If we arrive at 7am, and we're staying in the marais, what do you think makes sense for lunch? we love walking and prefer it to the metro.. knowing us we'll probably be out from 11 to 6 just walking around the city. Maybe Au Passage for our 1st lunch?

                  Oh also,,, I heard Terroir Parisien no longer does Sunday "brunch" but they're open every day so that makes it easier to decide when to go. Regarding Les Cocottes.. we're not going to the eiffel tower,.. we've both been so many times that we prefer to just relax, wander the city, rather than making it a priority to do all day sightseeing.. Given that info, does it not make sense to go all the way to les cocottes since we won't be in that area necessarily? Especially since you mentioned all these other great restaurants, maybe there are better choices.

                  Are Ober-Salé, le Chatomat, Le Galopin all open on the weekends for lunch? Maybe that could be a saturday lunch option if we end up going w/ Le Baratin for dinner..

                  Too bad we'll only be there for a little over a weekend.. so many great places to visit!

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                    Nancy S. Oct 9, 2012 01:07 PM

                    You may already know this, but Sunday dinner at Pierre-Sang Boyer is a buffet- type arrangement.

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                      Parnassien Oct 9, 2012 03:03 PM

                      Yes, definitely Au Passage for lunch on Friday... the meals are relatively light so you won't be too stuffed to enjoy dinner at Septime... I actually prefer Roseval to Septime (maybe just because of the newness factor) but I haven't eaten there often enough to know if it is able to be consistently and reliably good... Septime never fails to deliver and the quartier has more possibilities for us flâneurs... I think restaurants should be chosen not just for the cuisine but also for what the neighbourhood offers for before and after.

                      The no-rezzie Pierre-Sang Boyer is open 7/7 for both lunch and dinner so it's a moveable feast. The only problem is that it's incredibly "in" at the moment and, especially for dinner, you have to be very strategic to avoid long waits. Lunch is probably easier. Sunday sometimes has a buffet which I have not tried.

                      Le Galopin is open for lunch (limited-choice menu) on Saturday. Chatomat is dinner only Fri+Sat+Sun. Ober-Salé, dinner only on Sat/ closed on Sun. Whew!

                      I grew up in the 7th so I have a familiarity-breeds-contempt thing going on. Of course I understand why visitors like it so much but it's a pretty dull arrondissement, especially the Gros Caillou quartier, and much too full of tourists so I wouldn't usually choose a restaurant there. Yet I do have the very enjoyable Saturday ritual of taking my grandmother to the Marché Saxe-Breteuil and Marché Président Wilson and then lunch at the Bistro Breteuil (unfortunately just changed owners and decor) or the Café de l'Alma... but neither are really suitable for foodies or tourists.

                      Except for the bit between the rue Rivoli and the river, the Marais/4th is swarming with tourists and suburbanites. The Haut-Marais/3rd is much more "local".

                      And here comes my standard advice #1 to all visitors: bus more and walk less. You will better appreciate the tone and colour of Paris if you can see the forest and not just the trees. Much of the walking is in any case so unnecessary and redundant when street after street has the same architecture and variety of shops. From the Marais, you can hop on the #75 bus on the rue des Archives and jump off at the Quai Jemmapes to explore the Canal St Martin quartier or keep going to Sambre et Meuse for lunch or dinner at le Galopin or to Buttes Chaumont for Chapeau Melon. Or the #96 bus from the rue Turenne to flâneur central on the rue Bretagne or the hip Oberkampf quartier (for Pierre-Sang Boyer) or Menilmontant (for Roseval). Or the #76 bus from rue François Miron/ rue Rivoli to the Bastille for cafe-hopping and to the rue Charonne for Septime. All you need is a weekend unlimited travel bus pass, a detailed bus map, and a certain refusal to be intimidated by the unfamiliar. If you see a neighbourhood you like, get off and explore. If not, continue on until you come to a quartier that seems more interesting.

                      1. re: Parnassien
                        mangeur Oct 9, 2012 04:07 PM

                        Moderators: Please pin the last paragraph. Following this advice will enhance one's restaurant experiences a hundred fold more than asking for suggestions on Chow!

                        Ask for the Grand Plan #2 and away you go. (And so armed, follow the advice in the rest of this thread.)

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                          jessicablock Oct 9, 2012 04:24 PM

                          Great advice! Thank you so much.

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                            John Talbott Oct 10, 2012 01:07 AM

                            "The no-rezzie Pierre-Sang Boyer is open 7/7 for both lunch and dinner so it's a moveable feast. The only problem is that it's incredibly "in" at the moment and, especially for dinner, you have to be very strategic to avoid long waits. Lunch is probably easier. Sunday sometimes has a buffet which I have not tried."
                            The first time I went at lunch it was packed and they turned folks away; the second time three weeks later there were empty seats at lunch.

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                              moto Oct 10, 2012 03:04 PM

                              Merci beaucoup for the bus route advice, Parnassien. We will be staying in the lower Marais but have plans for the park Buttes Chaumont and Le Galopin. Cheers.

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                  dafisk Oct 12, 2012 10:29 PM

                  I would totally keep the Frenchie reservation. If 7pm is too early, try the no reservations Frenchie wine bar across the street before one of your other reservations. I was there a few nights ago and the food and vibe were excellent. I can vouch that we were one of the few, if not the only, English speakers there.

                  Also if you are going to Comptoir du Relais, or even in the area, I highly recommend a visit to L'Avant Comptoir which is their wine bar open from noon until late. Think of it as a standing room only counter that serves tapas style small plates with a strong focus on all things pork. The blood sausage macaron is not to be missed.

              2. John Talbott Oct 9, 2012 01:38 AM

                I think your list is just fine and have no advice except to support your thought to toss Aux Tonneaux des Halles off the life raft, only because I've never been impressed enough by reports so as to have wanted to go.

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                  jessicablock Oct 9, 2012 08:35 AM

                  thx John. Great to know!

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                    John Talbott Oct 9, 2012 12:27 PM

                    Jessica, might I as a professional, suggest you are getting too tied up in minor differences. Do you know the meaning of pilpul? All the places you're asking about are just fine and you should settle back, take a deep breath and enjoy any or all.
                    BTW, Le Galopin was without notification, closed today, so beware. But don't cry for me Argentina, we did very well at Villaret.

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                      jessicablock Oct 9, 2012 12:52 PM

                      yes, that makes sense. It's good to have these options but we'll most likely just make a game time decision on what we feel like doing each day. I just needed to know what was open on the weekend so I didn't waste time showing up somewhere that was closed.. I'm good to go. Thank you.

                      1. re: John Talbott
                        Parnassien Oct 9, 2012 01:00 PM

                        Le Galopin is not open for lunch on Tuesday. Just dinner.

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                          j
                          jessicablock Oct 10, 2012 12:03 PM

                          are the menus for lunch limited at au passage and le pantruche? anyone know?

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                            John Talbott Oct 10, 2012 01:32 PM

                            At Pantruche Feb 3 it was 5/5/6 entrees/plats/desserts; at Au Passage Sept 3, no choices (I'm not allowed to direct you to my blog, but it's all there).

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                              jessicablock Oct 10, 2012 02:35 PM

                              Ok thank you. For my first lunch I may want some options rather than a set menu so thats good to know.

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                                tito Oct 10, 2012 02:55 PM

                                I had a very nice experience at Le Petit Cheval de Manege a few months back. it is about a 10 minute walk from Au Passage if I am correct.

                          2. re: Parnassien
                            John Talbott Oct 10, 2012 01:34 PM

                            "Le Galopin is not open for lunch on Tuesday."
                            Yes, as I learned painfully yesterday, despite their having taken my reservation and fixed tele number but luckily, Villaret was and we ate splendidly there all four of us, including the exigent Colette who blows hot and cold, largely cold, on it.

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                              jessicablock Oct 11, 2012 02:31 PM

                              How far in advance do I need to make rezzo's (lunch/dinner) at the following:

                              Septime
                              Le Pantruche
                              Ober-Salé
                              Le Galopin
                              Le Baratin
                              Chatomat

                              Last time, I made reservations super far in advance (probably 6 weeks) for L'atelier Joel Robuchon, Chez L'Ami Jean, Chateaubriand.. but not sure if that's the case for any of the spots mentioned above.

                              Also, we're trying to catch a PSG game on Dec 8.. it starts at 20:00 so if anyone could recommend a good place for dinner either before (which would be way early) or after that'd be great. I was thinking maybe we should go to Pierre Sang .. and get there at 18:00 to beat the crowd.. feel free to shoot over any other fabulous suggestions.

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                                John Talbott Oct 11, 2012 11:51 PM

                                Except for Septime which is hot since the NYTimes a week should do for the others.

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                                  jessicablock Oct 12, 2012 05:11 PM

                                  Thanks. Septime takes reservations up to 3 weeks in advance in case anyone else wanted to know.

                                  Which is more ideal for a dinner: le galopin or le baratin... I'm figuring out a saturday night.. Thought about Spring too but i'm sort of leaning towards to aforementioned..

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                                    John Talbott Oct 12, 2012 11:12 PM

                                    Spring is better for a Saturday night and Galopin and Baratin not as festive.

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                                      mangeur Oct 13, 2012 07:51 AM

                                      I have never considered either Le Galopin or Baratin "festive". Bomb level loud at times, but not festive.

                                      Now that I think about it, in what way is a restaurant festive? Joly waiters? Chatting between tables? Jovial and present chef? Clue me in?

                                      1. re: mangeur
                                        Parigi Oct 13, 2012 07:58 AM

                                        It is better to indicate those that are NOT festive.
                                        Here are two whose food I like (actually love Divellec):
                                        Christophe, definitely not festive.
                                        Divellec. feels like a whole room of Vatican conspirators.

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                                          AGM_Cape_Cod Oct 13, 2012 09:41 AM

                                          LOL I am tempted to go to Divellec just to see what "a whole room of Vatican conspirators" is like.

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                                            Parigi Oct 13, 2012 09:47 AM

                                            The food is virtuoso.
                                            But don't banter with your table neighbors. And for #@$* sake don't flirt !

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                                            Ptipois Oct 13, 2012 01:51 PM

                                            >> Divellec. feels like a whole room of Vatican conspirators.

                                            But it is, too!

                                            (It's "Le Divellec", that's a person's name - you don't separate the particle and the name.)

                                            1. re: Ptipois
                                              Parigi Oct 13, 2012 02:34 PM

                                              Those papal dudes sure have a fine palette.

                                              "Le Divellec"

                                              Of course. Wouldn't make sense to call Le Pen just Pen. -- I call him a lot of things but not Pen or Le Pen actually.

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                                            jessicablock Oct 13, 2012 08:27 AM

                                            Perhaps he meant "up scale"? Ok i'm nearly there w/ my planning.. here's what i got and then I won't be hounding (no pun in tended) too much longer :)

                                            Oh, I know it's a lot of eating but we can definitely manage it... after all it's just one weekend.

                                            Arrive Friday - since we're staying in the marais, a possibly snack (crepe to share) at Breizh Cafe
                                            Friday Lunch: Au Passage or Le Pantruche
                                            Friday Dinner - have a reso at Frenchie for 7pm. Leaning towards Septime for more like a 9:30 seating..
                                            Saturday Lunch: Le Galopin or Le Baratin
                                            Saturday Dinner: Spring (have a 9:30 reservation) or Les Papilles
                                            Sunday Lunch: Terroir Parisien or Cafe Musees
                                            Sunday Dinner: Chatomat or if we didn't go to cafe Musees for lunch we can go for dinner

                                            Return a week later on a Saturday: lunch at Les Cocottes
                                            Sunday dinner: Pierre Sang Boyer (get there early and hopefully not have to wait long.. since we are going to a PSG match that night) If we decide not to go, we can try to find a place that will be open after the match... but that wouldn't be until about 10:30 pm

                                            If you think one place over another please share... and now that you know the days/other meals, would be great to hear your thoughts. Thanks again!

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                                              Parigi Oct 13, 2012 08:43 AM

                                              "Perhaps he meant "up scale"?"

                                              A place like Le Cinq would be upscale AND festive. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.
                                              I would even say Le Grand Véfour festive, and it is certainly off-the-scale, but of course not boisterous. :-)

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                                                Parnassien Oct 13, 2012 09:18 AM

                                                Sunday night football?!!! are you sure? Assuming that you meant Saturday, Pierre-Sang Boyer doesn't open until 7... that gives you 30-minutes ordering/ eating time before you have to leave to get to Parc des Princes for the 8pm match... pas possible!

                                                post-match nosh is easier... Mini-Palais in the Grand Palais is open until 2am

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                                                  jessicablock Oct 13, 2012 09:40 AM

                                                  Oops. Typo. Saturday night match, yes! Bummer about Pierre sang but thanks for the rec for afterwards. That will work out much better. Do you think the rest of the choices seem OK? Never asked you about Spring...what are your thoughts?

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                                                    Parnassien Oct 13, 2012 10:54 AM

                                                    I love Spring... until I get the bill. The wine mark-ups are stunning. But the cooking is almost impeccable. And certainly would be my choice over les Papilles for a Saturday night dinner.

                                                    Your other choices are all fab. I wouldn't fret over this one is better than that one. But a little glitch on your Saturday lunch list: Le Galopin doesn't do lunch on Saturday, only dinner. I've never tried le Baratin for lunch so not sure if that's a good choice or not. In any case I prefer Belleville at night rather than during the day. So maybe a case for Pierre-Sang for lunch on Saturday ?

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                                                      jessicablock Oct 13, 2012 11:57 AM

                                                      I wonder if Spring is THAT much better than restaurants I'm used to in NYC. I did some research on the forum and read some less than stellar feedback so perhaps we can go to Le Galopin Saturday night instead... Plus we're going to a couple Michelin star restaurants later in the trip in Alsace.. Good call on Pierre - Sang for lunch.. I guess we'll get to go there after all! that pretty much removes le baratin from the plan but i needed to eliminate some.. Chatomat is open Sunday for dinner, right?

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                                                        Parigi Oct 13, 2012 12:20 PM

                                                        Spring is unique. Le Galopin is not remotely in the same league. If you think Spring is not good enough for you, why do you imagine that the solution would be to go for something a couple levels downward?

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                                                          jessicablock Oct 13, 2012 12:30 PM

                                                          It's not that it's not "good enough".. it's just that we may not want fine dining that night. Sometimes the best restaurants are the more laid back, no frills type places. When we go to Colmar we'll be experiencing a few upscale michelin star restaurants so I want to have a good balance throughout the trip.

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                                                            Parigi Oct 13, 2012 12:51 PM

                                                            Oh, sorriest I thought "I wonder if Spring is THAT much better than restaurants I'm used to in NYC" meant you didn't think it was good enough.
                                                            If you want something not fine, yes Le Galopin is the right choice.

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                                                              mangeur Oct 13, 2012 01:07 PM

                                                              I don't consider Spring "fine dining". Nor does it have "frills". Not particularly French except for the products it uses. While Spring is singular, perhaps because of its storyline, I could plunk the new Spring in New York or San Francisco without fanfare. Some of the smaller, less slick (even grunge) dining rooms with closet kitchens, would probably get more attention as being unique. The old Spring had more in common with Le Galopin or Chatomat or Roseval, although even they are large in comparison to the dinner-party sized original.

                                                              Spring is more of an "occasion" restaurant than these other rooms. People dress a little better, it is quieter, there is often a birthday or anniversary being feted. The people I have seen celebrating something at the others are a younger crowd. The food at Spring is indisputably good, but there are at any given time in Paris more kitchens turning out indisputably good food than I have dinners on my calendar, not all of them heralded in the NYT.

                                                              And, yes, Chatomat is open for dinner on Sunday nights.

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                                                            Parnassien Oct 13, 2012 01:12 PM

                                                            Spring is unarguably great quality. But the steep rise in its prices over the last few years makes it hard to justify as a casual-eating venue. And I do hope that Parigi is not unnecessarily diminishing Le Galopin to build up Spring. Le Galopin is an excellent resto (made even more attractive by its great price-quality ratio) in a very atmospheric quartier.

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                                                              mangeur Oct 13, 2012 01:26 PM

                                                              Because so many good restaurants are recommended here, often in the same sentence, it is easy for readers to equate them without understanding their differences. I am always sorry to see Les Papilles mentioned with Spring or Le Cinq. Or Le Grand Pan with Le Galopin.

                                                              We not only need to compare apples with apples but, moreover, apples at ,50€/kg with apples at 1,50€/kg.

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                                                                jessicablock Oct 13, 2012 09:35 PM

                                                                Good point... i suppose it's the same as when people ask for recommendations in NYC... of course there's Elevan Madison Park, Per Se, Bouley, Daniel, Le Barnardin, etc... all fine dining, flawless meals from flavor to presentation to service..but then there's the other restaurants that are frequented more by locals, from classic to hotspots, celebrity chefs, such as Babbo, Maialino, Minetta Tavern, L'Artusi, Craft, etc.. that are not to be missed. All are excellent, just different calibers .. I suppose we're looking for not fine dining but solid french food, good atmosphere, and filled with locals. I think we have a solid list from this forum.. thank you to everyone who helped critique our itinerary.. all the feedback helped tremendously.

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                                                              Nancy S. Oct 14, 2012 06:37 AM

                                                              Spring is a lot better than most comparably priced places in New York. The sourcing and preparation of ingredients is impeccable.

                                                            3. re: Parnassien
                                                              John Talbott Oct 13, 2012 06:23 PM

                                                              One must ask for the wine list at Spring, and one must look at it for longer than two seconds.
                                                              Our last meal cost 120 euros with wine, per couple, last week.

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                                                            jessicablock Oct 16, 2012 03:06 PM

                                                            parnassien - do you think we should do Pierre Sang on a Saturday for lunch (as u mentioned above) or a Sunday for dinner?I tentatively thought of doing Chatomat on a sunday evening but if Pierre Sang is more enjoyable for dinner over lunch, i'd rather do that! thank you.

                                                            1. re: jessicablock
                                                              Parnassien Oct 16, 2012 03:25 PM

                                                              Pierre Sang is now closed on Sunday so problem solved.. it only fits into your Saturday lunch slot... which means that Chatomat easily parks itself into your Sunday dinner space

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                                                                jessicablock Oct 16, 2012 03:43 PM

                                                                ha, perfect! That was easy. I still have a few to choose from for lunch before Septime dinner on a Friday but I have time.. thank you!

                                            2. re: John Talbott
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                                              bcc Oct 10, 2012 03:00 PM

                                              Hi John,
                                              How is it that you know the meaning of "pilpul"?
                                              bcc

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                                                John Talbott Oct 13, 2012 06:34 PM

                                                A New York physician/psychiatrist/psychoanalyst?

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