Moving to Oakland. Where to eat?
Help! We are moving to Oakland (upper Rockridge area) from Berkeley (north Berkeley/Solano). This may not seem like a big move, but for us it seems huge. The biggest question is where to go for our usual meals out. Particularly, breakfast/brunch and casual dinner with kids. The places we like around our current neighborhood are:
For brunch, Gorilla Cafe; Jimmy Beans; Venus
For coffee, Local 123 and Philz
For special occasions or date night, Gather and Cesar
For kid-friendly restaurants, Kirin, Paisan Pizza, Jerusalem Organic Kitchen
Also looking for good bagels, Thai and Korean. And we enjoy the Berkeley Off-the-Grid event on Wednesday nights.
If you can suggest good substitutes, particularly for our breakfast places, we'd be grateful!
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Telegraph Ave just south of 51st (temescal area) is a great area.There's Burma Superstar,Pyung Chang Tofu House(I crave their tofu soup),Pizzaiolo,Bakesale Betty's (daytime only) and Dona Thomas.I am not a fan of Lanesplitter's Pizza but many people like it and it's super kid friendly.On College the burgers at Crepevine and Barclays are kid friendly and quite good,love Wood Tavern and Southie's.We still enjoy the thai garlic noodles at Nan Yang along with a couple other dishes.We do enjoy Bellanico(on Park Blvd) too.We've lived in Montclair since 1978 and I have to say it's basically a black hole for dining.That said,the ceviche at the Taqueria is quite good.
One thing I forgot...the little Indian take out place on Moraga (with the little parking lot near the awful chinese place)is pretty good too.You can eat there but it's quite small.›1 Reply -
Getting back to all you folks who replied to my original post. For breakfast/brunch, we've tried all the suggestions, but our favorite is Local Cafe on Piedmont Ave (right next to Adesso). Really good biscuits, good eggs benedict, nice little place with nice staff.
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These are great suggestions - looking forward to the move just so we can try all these new places. One more question if anyone has ideas - my husband is an obsessive iced tea drinker. He loves the iced tea from Philz in Berkeley. Anyone? Suggestions? Does Cole Coffee have good iced tea? Until he finds his "place' he will not be content.
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re: merylnet
I will be looking forward to seeing the suggestions for great iced tea in the EBay. Right now the only three places we've been to that make great iced tea are Slanted Door/SF, Auberge/Rutherford, and Bistro29/SRosa!
Also, I will say that although Full House Cafe is closer to us than Mama's or Royal Cafe (the latter in Albany), I like it but just can't seem to love it. Have friends that adore it, however, so like most places, much depends on what you like to order.
There is a new branch of Everett & Jones BBQ in the Laurel but it's reportedly awful.
The newest place in the Laurel has its own parking lot - Laurellino's Trattoria closed up and the new Taqueria La Palma (as of Sat Sept 29, 2012) has taken over the space, 4171 MacArthur Blvd near High St. The owners are the well regarded Tacos Sinaloa folks. We have not tried it yet. Pls be aware that 'casual crime' is happening quite a bit in our Laurel area - we've been here 23 yrs and watched it come and go in waves, and right now it's on the upswing. Even some cars left for a few minutes in parking lots (such as the Safeway on Fruitvale in the Dimond) have been broken into, according to our local listserv.
We have very little serious crime in the Laurel, but a lot of burglaries and break-ins when times are bad. The Laurel business owners are paying a private security firm who makes regular rounds every day, but of course they can't be everywhere at once. Our area is ideal for the 'quick getaway' type of crime; people can get on the freeway easily or turn two corners and be lost from sight. Grand Ave/Lakeshore and the Dimond have similar problems, so always be aware of your surroundings, even in the daytime.
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This is my neighborhood, so I will add my two cents (mostly repeats):
Brunch: my current favorite (even with the kids) is Camino. More old-school, I like Full House Café (in Laurel District) and the Egg Shop in Montclair works in a pinch. Both tend to be shorter waits, which is the problem with Aunt Mary’s – great food, but long wait.
Coffee: Bica on College. Hands down.
Date night: Wood Tavern, A Cote, Addesso, Commis, Plum
Kid-friendly: El Agavero in Montclair; Barclays on College (only if you need beer); also, we’ll go through the tunnel to Chow
Thai: Soi4. Great food. Actually, works for date night, kid friendly and take out.Also, we regularly go over to Vik’s, Paisan and Sea Salt – it is not much of a trek from Upper Rockridge. And, as others point out, it is super fast to get to Uptown and Old Town on 24, which opens up tons of great restaurants and bars.
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re: bbulkow
I only get the drip. They have a four rotating coffees from different small roasters on the West Coast. They often have Verve, which is a favorite of ours, but the selection will vary. It is a nice way to try something new. The pastries are from Starter Bakery and sandwiches from Southie.
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if you like Thai food, one variation that oaktown has a bit more compared to berserkly, is northern Thai/Lao. (there is a place on Shattuck and Cedar with some Lao items, but their Thai seemed very mainstream). but the places to try it are in working class 'hoods nowhere close to where you live. we've only tried one of several, Champa Garden, and the food and service were very good, the other groups with kids seemed to be doing fine.
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Welcome to the neighborhood! I live on the border of Rockridge as well, right off Broadway south of where you are. You're close to the California College of Arts and Crafts, which is right off College Ave. On that end of College Avenue I would suggest:
1) Hudson's (formerly, Garibaldi's/Marzano). Bustling bar with pizzas, etc. I see families with young kids there around 5:30 p.m. for pizzas around the commuter table by the bar. For something fancier, sit in the main room later in the evening.
2) Enoteca Molinari is a small wine bar on College (next to A Cote). Nice selection of wine and friendly owner at the bar. The menu is limited and dishes are on the small side, but it's a nice, friendly, casual spot for something last-minute.
3) Adesso is another good wine bar over on the Piedmont Avenue side. It's going to start serving up pizzas if you don't want to wait at it's sister restaurant Dopo, which also is good for neighborhood Italian dinner.
I don't drink coffee, but seems like there are more coffee shops on Piedmont Avenue than on our end of College Avenue. Or you could go down to Telegraph in the Temescal area.
Same with brunch, I haven't really found a favorite nearby. The two closest spots that seems extremely popular is Rockridge Cafe on College and Mama's Cafe on Broadway near 40th. I think both of these places are popular because they're cheap and have that diner, old-style feel. The I wasn't that excited about the food at Rockridge Cafe and haven't tried Mama's.
My favorite restaurants that I considered "nearby" to me would include Pizzaiolo, Casserole House (Korean), Adesso, Enoteca Molinari, Hudson, Dopo, and Commis, on the far end of Piedmont Avenue (for special occasions). A little further I would go for Wood Tavern and Southie.
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re: singleguychef
the cooking of Mama's on broadway is very heavy, but it seems to appeal to those who are nostalgic for old school, 'greasy spoon' cooking. Ole's coffee shop in Alameda is in a similar vein, granted the ambience is very different, along with the difference between the local constituencies. for brunch type stuff, Mary's in Temescal has much more finesse, though they're quite fond of butter there as well.
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re: singleguychef
Last night, Adesso's late night happy hour was serving crostini w/ whipped lardo, a chick pea salad, and the eggplant pizza, sliced into thick strips. I also ordered a sausage slice and the Adesso slice.
They undercook the pizza to prevent it from overcooking when they reheat the slices. The dough is somewhat focaccia-like, and has a crisp bottom underneath a tall layer of an airy crumb. It's nowhere near as oily, but the bottom of the crust reminds me of Cheesboard's pizza. Despite the rectangular shape, it's not at all reminiscent of NY's "sicilian slices." Pizza places seem to take several weeks to hit their stride, so I'm gonna return in a few weeks with a Roman friend to see what they think.
The toppings were all good quality. My favorite was the eggplant, whose bitterness went beautifully with the other ingredients, and kicked the butt of the thick and greasy fried eggplant slice I've had on Northeast pizzerias. The toppings on the sausage pizza were also good. I love Calvestrano olives, but their unyielding texture didn't work for me on their Adesso pizza.
Adesso: garlic Calvestrano olives $5
Eggplant, garlic, calabrian chiles $7
Sausage, red onion, pecorino $8
Early girl tomatoes $8
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Our fav breakfast in the entire East Bay is Mama's Royal in Oakland. I go for the corned beef hash, spouse goes for the Bennie. Lunch is not as good but they serve breakfast all day.
I urge you to try Marica, on College near Broadway, a very nice little bistro with some excellent seafood, run by Asians.
We go to three Montclair Village places:
1) Crogan's - yes, Crogan's, for ONLY 2 dishes: the batter-fried fish tacos, which I request with lettuce, not cabbage, and extra Choluca cream. And the 8-oz sirloin steak is amazing - better than anything we've gotten at Ruth's Chris or Fleming's, both in Walnut Creek. A cup of the vegetarian black bean chili is a nice way to start. Everything else at Crogan's is a waste of time.2) Italian Colors, which is just outside the main village. Dinner is far better than lunch. James Syhabout, owner/chef of the Michelin-starred Commis, is partnering his new restaurant with Alan Carlson of Italian Colors. IC's rather Modernist beet salad is very good, and the soups are often unusual and delicious. My recent cauliflower bisque with Manchego cheese, toasted sliced almonds, and red bell pepper swirl, was extraordinarily good - frankly, far better than anything I've gotten at Gather. You will see a lot of kids at IC, and it's one of the few places that has some very simple menu items just for the kids, while the adults can take advantage of the more sophisticated dishes.
3) We second on El Agavero IF you go for Happy Hour. You can get the full-sized cheese quesadilla with carnitas added for less than $6. It's a substantial meal for one and as an appetizer you could split it four ways. The rest of the food is okay, but we normally go elsewhere (below).
Outside the village, there is Phnom Penh in Jack London Sq. with its sibling Cambodia House in the Laurel. In the Grand Lake area we have soured on Mezze, which gave us an awful dinner last week (sigh...they used to be very good) but we enjoy Lin Jia, which contrary to what some Yelpers believe, is more Vietnamese than Chinese. Their 'contemporary Asian' food can be very good at times - the shrimp rolls (not the Hakka, but the 'cigar' shrimp rolls), hot-and-sour soup, and Changsha beef (which is also used in the "Hunan Hottie" sandwich) are terrific.
In the Temescal we love Barlatta and Genova Delicatessen (boudin noir – love it!), loathe Tanjia and Dona Tomas (DT seems to have gone seriously downhill). And we have fallen in love with La Calaca Loco taqueria – their flour tortillas are made with lard and wonderfully flaky.
A shrimp flour quesadilla at La Calaca is a thing of beauty, and if you eat in-house (recommended) you get your choice of three great salsas to slather on in enormous quantities – each in giant squeeze bottles! My spouse squirts the jalapeno on every single bite. Their carne asada is excellent, and I like their nachos, which is a much lighter and cleaner-tasting version with whole beans and less grease. They use a good queso fresco crumbled over it instead of cheap shredded cheddar. They also make the best burger in town – the telera bun is superb, what hamburger buns should always be, and the pickled jalapenos make your mouth zing. My spouse doesn't like burgers, but he thinks La Calaca's is amazing.
On Park Blvd. I would never recommend Blackberry Bistro to ANYONE any longer. The new owners have cheapened the ingredients and ruined the place. The food is awful now – the menu still lists Hobb's bacon, but what we got what a petrified slice of fake turkey bacon…ick.
We felt Rumbo was like its sib A Cote, same strengths (service, a few dishes) but same flaws (erratic sizing, many dishes just weren't that interesting). Bellanico's a level below Riva Cucina/Berkeley, but always seems to be trying hard, which is good.
The Korean restaurants all have different strengths and weaknesses, so you'll have to try them to see which one has the food you like best.
The Ethiopian/Eritrean restaurants in Oakland are generally excellent. Again, you need to try a few to see which ones you enjoy the most. Each one's a little different from the others, but overall Café Colucci, Café Eritrea, Red Sea, Enssaro, and Abesha rank higher with diners than the others.
And welcome to Oakland!
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re: Ruth Lafler
Yes, Rumbo's bar gets a workout. But we don't drink, so we focus strictly on the food.
We ate at both Eritrea and Red Sea recently (Eritrea twice, in fact). I drafted up a comparison, but it's rather long and perhaps it would be better if I put it on a separate thread.
Another Oakland/Rockridge suggestion no one mentioned, or at least if someone did, I missed it: Guest Chef. It isn't for kids, though, having only a few seats, extremely tight quarters, and a nasty noise level. But for a couple's date night out it can be fun to look forward to (the menu changes every two weeks with each guest chef, and reservations well in advance are recommended. Descriptions are on the website).
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re: tre2012
the kitchen staff at Lin Jia speak Hakka to each other -- asked one when the sounds didn't quite register as Viet or a Cantonese variant (though the Hakka have lived amongst the Cantonese for the past 1-2 centuries, their language came from an earlier home elsewhere in China). part of the family that run the place lived for a time in Viet Nam, but Changsha beef, one of our favorite dishes there, is clearly not a Viet dish, and is named after a famous, old city in the Chinese heartland. some of the Vietnamese eateries here are operated by ethnic Chinese whose families crossed the river or sea at some point, and some of their cooking could be perceived as Chinese food as much as Lin Jia's might be perceived as Vietnamese.
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Nice area. Lots of gorgeous walks behind the Claremont hotel.
Brunch: Aunt Mary's (long lines, but really good). I've never seen what the fuss is about, but Rick & Ann's has its fans and is really close to you.
Korean: On Telegraph, Casserole House. Sura has an more extensive selection of banchan (18 dishes!) and a larger menu, but the dishes I've ordered haven't been as good.
Bagels: Beauty Bagels are Montreal style, but style aside, unsurpassed on this side of the Bay.
Kid-friendly: Zachary's, Holy Land, Fentons (kids like the ice cream, not sure if anyone likes the food)There's a Farmer's Market at the DMV Sunday mornings. I think the closest Off The Grid is on Telegraph on Thursdays (by UCB) last time I checked. For gourmetish take-out, the Pasta Shop in Market Hall has lots of good deli counter items. Star Grocery has good sandwiches and Gregoire on Piedmont does take-out too.
College Avenue in Rockridge's restaurants tend to be overpriced. Regarding places mentioned above, A Cote is great for dates, and Soi Four is excellent and more appropriate for kids.
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Thanks for the suggestions! By Upper Rockridge I mean the hills up above College Ave off of the Broadway Terrace exit from 13. Also, Montclair isn't far, nor is Piedmont Ave. I really appreciate the suggestions!
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re: merylnet
Sadly, there are no eateries of note in Montclair although I recently had some decent Mexican at EL AGAVERO and there's a branch of House of Bagels, which are some of the better commercial bagels in the area. If you're on 13 it's easy to go one more exit and down Park Blvd. to the cluster of better restaurants in Glenview (Bellanico, Marzano, Rumbo al Sur, Blackberry Bistro (brunch)).
For date night you might want to check out Guest Chef -- I've had a couple of nice meals there, and since there's a new chef every couple of weeks, every time you go it's a different restaurant!
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re: Ruth Lafler
Montclair has a great Mexican place, just a hole in the wall, It is across the street from the Safeway. I think it is just called a Taqueria (spelling?) A couple of doors up from the Subway.The best wet burrito ever.
Soi 4 is great Thai on College. I used to live in Upper Rockridge. You are so close to downtown. You can find all kinds of great food. Breakfast in Montclair, the Egg Shop. On Broadway Mama's Royale Cafe great breakfast. Homeroom on maybe 42nd, mac and cheese any way you can dream of.
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re: Janet
It's not that far a cruise down to Red Sea for Ethiopian, either.
The one problem I have with Soi 4 is the brightness of the tastes. I never got the WHAM that you get with some dishes in thailand. But great in many other ways.
You'll also find you're driving-close to Uptown, because you hop on 24 and you're there in a millisecond (although you have to park). Date night places like Pican.
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re: bbulkow
Do you like Red Sea better than the others in that neighborhood? I haven't been there in years (ate there with an ex who as far as I know still lives in the neighborhood). I was underwhelmed by Asmara but liked Addis quite a bit better. Since then, of course, Temescal has become a great chow neighborhood. Not to mention that Genova has been our family default light pick-up dinner for 50 years.
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re: Ruth Lafler
The short answer is no, I don't like it better or worse. I found them to be somewhat interchangeable. I used to patronize the one right at Telegraph and 52nd. The one great benefit of Red Sea is you can actually drink at Kingfish across the street, and they'll bring over orders from Red Sea. I don't think it's the full menu, but it's a great way to go. Like the korean places, the OP should just hunt around a bit.
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Coffee:
It would help to know exactly where "upper rockridge" is, but at College/Claremont there's Cole Coffee, which scratch a Philz itch. It looks like there's been a bunch of turnover among my usual old places. I always liked Peaberry near rockridge bart, especially when Grace Baking made coissants and they stocked 'em. I don't think there's anything on the espresso side remotely as good as Local123 - or even tolerable in general - anyplace called 'bica coffee' should be pretty good, Oh My Beloved Lisbon Where Espresso Is Cheap and Plentiful.For kid friendly:
It seems everyone loves Cactus Taqueria who has kids, it's a stroller-fest in there.The good news:
You're near Temescal now. Lanesplitter on this side of town is more kid-friendly than the San Pablo / University branch.
Bocanova for date night.
Uzen is underrated for Japanese, especially the udon, and is a modest date night place.
For high end, Commis
You'll end up trying the Piedmont Ceasar's, and you'll end up disappointed.Bagles:
You want them roasted to go, or just a sack of bagels?
I used to get the bagels at Spasso, I don't know where they sourced from, but I always liked them.
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re: bbulkow
Your comment on Cesar's Piedmont is spot on...and agree with you on Uzen, Soi 4 and Commis.
I've never seen the attraction of Bocavnova, other than the location and outdoor seating...but nearby is Encuentro which is vegetarian food entirely enjoyable for non-vegetarians, with a good list of local-ish wines.
Although Peaberry's at Market Hall changed hands, the new owners--High Wire Coffee--are roasting some nice coffees. I'm starting to like their espresso blend better than my default-setting Blue Bottle Hayes Valley Blend; and Mrs. Rapini has taken a liking to the Conscientious Objector fair trade blend.
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re: Rapini
Ok, I had my names backward. I was thinking of barlata, which is in Temescal, not Bocanova. I agree about Bocanova exactly - Enquentro is nearby and 100% my favorite.
OP: learn to love the korean. All the places are good. My Korean friend loves Koryo, but most round-eyes find it intimidating. Shan Maru is a better starting point, and Oghane.
I always wanted to like Cato's more, but it's hard to grab one of the decent tables.
Brunch: From your location, Rick and Ann's. Few board mentions. Very, very good.
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re: bbulkow
The Piedmont Cesar's menu has evolved in a Mexican direction. Great place for drinks on the patio on a nice day, or at the bar anytime. The incongruous clam chowder special was great so I have hope the food will improve.
Uzen has the best sushi in the area. Doesn't seem like a kid-friendly place to me but I haven't been there earlier in the evening.
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By "upper" Rockridge you mean near Claremont / Alcatraz? Though judging from how spread out the places on your list are, I guess that doesn't matter much.
Elmwood: Shen Hua is basically a branch of Kirin. I like Holy Land better than Jerusalem. There's a newish Korean place I haven't tried yet.
Wood Tavern and A Cote are kind of in the Cesar / Gather vein.
Soi 4 might be the best Thai in the East Bay.
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Re:agreed, BeBop-lunch specials premade, no flavor, not sure about regular menu
-agree on wood tavern, (also southie next door), star meats, high wire roasters
bica coffeehouse, lots of organic varieties.
OTG berkeley, thursday evenings on telegraph also.
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I actually really like the new Korean place in the Elmwood. No it's not traditional fare and it's not a "destination".
But the bim be bop is replete with very fresh veggies & a meat. They offer the option of brown rice. And compared to Bowl'd (a very popular north berkeley spot), the spicy chicken, for example, is far superior at BeBop. It's a nice addition to the neighb.
On the downside: they only offer a few items as banchan. But for the price, and healthy options, I'm happy to have it as an option for a quick meal.
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