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In the Future, Your Champagne Will Come From England

zin1953 Sep 26, 2012 08:37 AM


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  1. sunshine842 Sep 26, 2012 12:19 PM

    I believe that they might be able to produce the grapes with which one makes sparkling wine via Methode Champenoise...in fact, they already are -- and therefore the ability to produce sparkling wines...

    ....but a lot more than the weather is going to have to change for them to produce Champagne in England.

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    1. re: sunshine842
      davidne1 Sep 27, 2012 01:46 AM

      A couple of years ago I was present at a blind tasting of a number of English sparkling wines and wines from Champagne including Bollinger and Louis Roederer. The English Nyetimber won.
      They will never produce Champagne in England as we don't have a region called champagne, we make English sparkling wine.

    2. ellaystingray Sep 27, 2012 03:10 AM

      Pretty sure no one was suggesting that "Champagne" could/would ever come from England but whatever.

      I think this is a bit of eonological anglophilia tucked into an article predominantly about climate change. Pancho Campo would be proud. At least with the climate change part.

      British sparkling wines have certainly stuck around and made more noise than I think many suspected but it will be an awfully long time before they are ascendent.

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      1. re: ellaystingray
        sunshine842 Sep 27, 2012 03:52 AM

        the title of the article is "In the Future, Your Champagne Will Come From England".

        Since only wines produced in the Champagne region can be called Champagne by law...yep, that's exactly what they're saying.

        More likely it exposes a pretty significant lack of understanding, and an utter absence of fact-checking and research, by the author and the editor.

        1. re: sunshine842
          davidne1 Sep 27, 2012 04:25 AM

          Yes agree there is a lack of understanding regarding naming sparkling wines "Champagne" it frustrates me no end for some reason hence my comment "They will never make Champagne in England"
          Have you tried some of the better English sparkling wines?
          In a blind tasting a number of years ago the MD of Pol Roger picked out a sparkling wine from England as his favorite of the bunch. The bunch included his own white foil.

          1. re: davidne1
            sunshine842 Sep 27, 2012 04:50 AM

            No, I haven't, but I did see them on the shelf when I was in Derbyshire last summer. I've heard that the English sparklers are quite nice.

            (and I have a hunch that the English wouldn't want to call their sparkling wines "Champagne" even if they could -- because they wouldn't want to be lumped in with the French! The two have spent an enormous amount of time over the centuries trying to distance themselves from one another....)

      2. z
        zin1953 Sep 27, 2012 07:50 AM

        I would urge you all NOT to look at the name "Champagne," but to think about the fact that, in the future, England may be home to excellent méthode traditionelle sparking wines . . . indeed, as "davidne1" has already pointed out, there already are some outstanding examples produced.

        IN addition to the Telegraph article -- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7094055/English-sparkling-wine-beats-French-champagne-to-top-title.html -- that "davidne1" linked to, there are several other stories:

        English sparkling beats top Champagnes at Decanter World Wine Awards -- http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/497892/english-sparkling-beats-top-champagnes-at-decanter-world-wine-awards

        AXA head to make English sparkling wines -- http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/484507/axa-head-to-make-english-sparkling-wines

        UK sparkling wine tasting highlights challenge to high street Champagne -- http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-news/485948/uk-sparkling-wine-tasting-highlights-challenge-to-high-street-champagne

        England's leading sparkling producer sold -- http://www.decanter.com/news/wine-new...

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        1. re: zin1953
          collioure1 Nov 24, 2012 04:25 AM

          In the Future, Your Champagne Will Come From England

          Uh, I don't think so!

          Oregon perhaps, but not the UK.

          1. re: collioure1
            zin1953 Nov 24, 2012 08:18 AM

            Well, if we are to resurrect this thread, let me start by pointing out the obvious: Champagne will, FOREVER & ALWAYS, come *only* from the Champagne region of France. But great sparkling wines can, are, and will continue to be produced elsewhere on the planet.

            I admit that I have only had a handful of sparklers from Australia and New Zealand; only one or two from the continent of South America; and I cannot recall (on this Saturday morning, over my first cappuccino of the morning) having any sparkling wines whatsoever from South Africa. So, obviously, my exposure to the world's méthode traditionelle (méthode champenoise) sparkling wines is by no means complete.

            For my money, right now in 2012, the best non-Champagne sparkling wine produced according to the techniques of the traditional "champagne method" comes from Equinox in the Santa Cruz Mountains. But as global warming continues, it makes sense to think (at least in my mind) that the already high quality sparkling wines coming from (e.g.) Argyle in Oregon and Nyetimber in Sussex . . .

            1. re: zin1953
              collioure1 Nov 24, 2012 08:32 AM

              I live in France and do not love Chamapgne as do my neighbors.

              That said, the climate of Oregon is ideal for producing Champagne equivalents. From the scores I just saw at Wine Enthusiast, Argyle is doing just that.

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