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adorno Sep 24, 2012 07:54 AM

I'm giving a talk at Harvard in October and as a somewhat scholar of food culture, I've been asked if I have any suggestions. I wanted Craigie but they're totally booked that day. I'd love something that's either been important historically (but is still good) or something that's considered to represent cutting edge Cambridge cooking now. I like Oleana but it's a little too far from where we'll be (I need to catch a train after).

It would help if it were a place where conversation can be heard.

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  1. Kat RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 08:48 AM

    Did you check on Open Table or did you call? Sometimes you can be lucky by calling even though Open Table shows no availability.

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      LeoLioness RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 09:07 AM

      Bondir, if you can get in?

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        Bob Dobalina RE: LeoLioness Sep 24, 2012 10:04 AM

        Bondir is in the same area as Oleana.

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          pang RE: LeoLioness Sep 27, 2012 06:03 AM

          Second for Bondir- amazing food, beautiful room

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          ikt RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 09:19 AM

          I think at Craigie you can sit at the bar without reservations. They even have nicer tables in the bar area that do not require reservations I believe. I'd call and ask how that works. If it's an early dinner, and you arrived just before they opened, you'd probably be fine.

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            dfan RE: ikt Sep 27, 2012 11:36 AM

            The tables in the bar area do require reservations, but the bar itself doesn't, and they're my favorite seats in the house. You'll probably want to get there by 5:15 to get one, though (they open at 5:30 and a line has generally formed outside by the time they do). It may be tough to have a good conversation if there are more than two of you.

          2. hotoynoodle RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 10:31 AM

            how many people are in your group?

            agree about trying to call rather than using opentable -- no place allows all slots open on-line.

            check out west bridge in kendall -- about a 10 minute walk from the red line.

            1. opinionatedchef RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 10:53 AM

              'historical' or 'cutting edge' are the sticking points i think, for harv sq that is. Park and Russell House both get good CH reviews. Rialto and Upstairs on the Square hardly ever are CH mentioned but you might want to check their menus.(The latter is prob the oldest fine dining spot in HSq, perhaps bested by Harvest. both 30+ yrs. i think. But not the history of say Jacob Wirth or Union Oyster House, both in Boston.
              Park:
              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/856819

              But there is a really easy solution. I wouldn't hesitate to suggest a 10 minute cab from Harv Sq to Strip T's in Watertown, chef'd by Momofuku 6 yr veteran. 200+posts (mostly) raves on this thread.
              http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/795745

              If you go, you HAVE to order the grilled romaine dish described here:
              http://www.seriouseats.com/2012/09/wa...
              They are always solid booked because they are both tiny and really the rage , but if you book for early, it shouldn't be a problem (and they keep walk- in tables as well). Ask for Juin or Jon when you call.

              but maybe you live in nyc and have had your fill of momofuku.

              Otherwise, Bergamot is very inventive and close to Harv Divinity School (up Kirkland). Others, but still in Area Four- near Oleana- are Catalyst and West Bridge for recently opened and very representative of latest trends> farmhouse cooking,farm and sea to table, etc.
              From them, it's a 5 min walk to Kendall Sq T(red line to South Station) or 15 min cab ride to So.Station.

              There are recent threads on all the places i mentioned, so use Search in upper right corner of page, to find them.
              Do let us know how it goes!

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                teezeetoo RE: opinionatedchef Sep 27, 2012 04:20 PM

                strip t's has grand food but it is not by any means quiet. had dinner there last night and the four of us left much earlier than we normally would because we were tired of shouting across the table at each other. Salts would be my choice for a quiet dinner, or Rendezvous. If coming into Kendall Square is an option, consideer EVOO or West Bridge. Rialto and Harvest are old, established and of the two I much prefer Rialto. Cambridge Street isn't easy to access if you aren't driving but East by Northeast has innovative asian fusion food that is very interesting. As between Bergamot and Bondir, both good suggestions, Bondir is by far the more interesting and the quieter venue.

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                  cambridgedoctpr RE: teezeetoo Sep 28, 2012 06:10 AM

                  i really like Rialto and do not understand why it does not get more attention here. Monday's dollar oysters are a real treat.

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                    teezeetoo RE: cambridgedoctpr Sep 28, 2012 02:33 PM

                    we used to love it but we are bad-tempered people who had a terrible restaurant week there several years ago (we took rw as an opportunity to introduce some friends to it so that made our disappointment more profound) - i didn't expect the full treatment but i felt you shouldn't do rw at all if you don't show up and just mail in the performance. so we took it out of our rotation and haven't returned, except for the infrequent stop at the bar for a bite before the regattabar

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                      cambridgedoctpr RE: teezeetoo Sep 28, 2012 02:46 PM

                      restaurant week is hit and miss. It is still my favorite italian place in Boston - along with Coppa. But i need to get to Erblauce

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                    opinionatedchef RE: teezeetoo Sep 28, 2012 08:44 PM

                    TZ, i'm surprised to hear that you think Bondir is more interesting food than Bergamot. We've been both places, and while I felt the portions were too small at Bergamot, I found the actual preparations to be more inventive/intriguing than Bondir where the chef does not use much if any wine, spirits, cheeses, spices/herbs to flavor his food, wanting to let the foodstuffs speak for themselves, unabetted. Not your eperience?

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                      teezeetoo RE: opinionatedchef Sep 29, 2012 06:52 AM

                      I much prefer Bondir (except I like Bergamot's bar) - the food is, to me, light years more inventive, the combination of available ingredients leading to constant and interesting change, and the chef infinitely more daring. while not everything works, i'm always intrigued to see what will appear (have a ravishingly good seckel pear salad recently with an almond vinaigrette that actually surprised my palate which is a grand thing). I find Bergamot ok, better on the apps than on the mains as is the case with a lot of restaurants, and not in the same class at all as Bondir.

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                  RoyRon RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 11:37 AM

                  I would suggest Ten Tables in Cambridge. It is very close to Harvard Sq and the food is excellent.

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                    opinionatedchef RE: RoyRon Sep 24, 2012 11:44 AM

                    i think ten tables is good, but nowhere even near the culinary skill level of bergamot.

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                    dulce de leche RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 12:00 PM

                    I haven't been to Bergamot myself, but the walk there will take you past Julia Child's home (the kitchen interior was transported to the Smithsonian) and Savenor's, her grocery & butcher. She has signed the sidewalk in front of Savenor's with a "Bon Appetit". So you'd get some historical.

                    Upstairs at the Square has been in Harvard Square 30 years, previously above the Hasty Pudding, owned by the same lovely and hospitable pair of women. I have always had great delicious experiences there, and it's interesting and festive, though would def fall into historical rather than cutting edge.

                    I'm assuming you're going with a group of faculty types? I think you'd be happy at Rendezvous in Central.

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                      enhF94 RE: dulce de leche Sep 24, 2012 02:13 PM

                      this, this and this - in that order.

                      (Upstairs gets some flack from the board, but I like it.)

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                        libertywharf RE: dulce de leche Sep 24, 2012 03:08 PM

                        Bondir is a good choice.
                        I'm a fan of Upstairs on the Square. I've been there several times and never a complaint. They like to give you the dining experience so plan on at least two hours.

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                          femmevox RE: libertywharf Sep 24, 2012 04:03 PM

                          If you decide to go to Upstairs on the Square, check out Charlotte Silver's book about growing up at its predecessor, Upstairs at the Pudding, for history and gossip.

                          http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/boo...

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                          FinnFPM RE: dulce de leche Sep 25, 2012 05:38 AM

                          Upstairs on the Square does have a great history, but I would also point out that its menu is hardly stuffy or stodgy. You're not going to be eating clam chowder and hardtack. Depending on your tastes, it could appeal to both desires here.

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                            5thAndNowhere RE: FinnFPM Sep 27, 2012 06:59 AM

                            had a fantastic swordfish dish there this summer!

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                          5thAndNowhere RE: adorno Sep 24, 2012 07:26 PM

                          i second the bergamot and bondir recs and add rendezvous and catalyst to the list. all in that farm fresh circle.

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                            Kames RE: adorno Sep 26, 2012 07:15 PM

                            Salts is IMHO better than most of the restaurants mentioned, satisfies your criteria, & across the street from Cragie.

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                              nyc_to_ma RE: adorno Sep 27, 2012 09:59 AM

                              I had a fantastic meal recently at Rendezvous... great food and the best service I've seen in a while. and you could probably jump from the restaurant into the T in Central after.

                              1. justbeingpolite RE: adorno Sep 27, 2012 12:57 PM

                                All good suggestions so far. If your aim is to stay close to Harvard, I'd add TW Food into the mix.

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