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250,000 for a kitchen remodel sound OK ?

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Actually, to be precise it is £ 250,000.00.

Here:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...

It might seem a tad high, but it is IPod controlled after all . . . . . .

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  1. That's more than my entire house!

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    1. re: drongo

      I was going to say...for that much (that's about US$400,000) -- I could knock down and rebuild the whole house.

      Pretty disgusting, given the global economy. Unemployment, slow or negative growth, and yet folks are flaunting a kitchen that's worth more than most people's houses. Bleh.

      Makes me think of the old Eddie Murphy routine about the kid flaunting his ice cream and singing "I got my ice cream, and you don't got none, 'cause you're on the welfare!"

      1. re: sunshine842

        Would you rather that they hoard their money? Or, would you rather that they put it back into the economy, providing jobs for carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc?

        1. re: dinersaurus

          Sounds like she wants a check. I'm always amazed when people are criticized for earning and spending their own money.

          1. re: tommy

            excuse me -- did I say I wanted a check? Um, no. I didn't. And I wouldn't take that kitchen if it came giftwrapped and delivered to my door. Those sorts of installations are also only rarely done with local tradespeople (because the installers have to be specially trained and flown in just for the job, natch)...so it affects the local economy little, if at all.

            There are a lot of ways to spend a lot of money in very good ways without it going to a bunch of electronics that will live their lives completely untouched, only to be tossed into a landfill when the newest greatest thing comes along.

            I also don't really care if someone wants to spend that kind of money -- but it's rather crass to flaunt it quite so openly.

            It's the in-your-face conspicuous consumption -- for something that will likely never get used -- that sickens me.

            1. re: sunshine842

              sunshine, folks with money do spend it in a variety of ways; including charitably. most of the kitchens I've worked with are privately owned. the only way inwhich the public gets to see these works of art are in magazines, private tours, real estate showings and natch relations. I don't care how anyone spends their money but I learned long ago not to make assumptions about how anyone lives or why.

              What I have been exposed to in my trade sometimes curls my hair but without it I wouldn't be making a living. I am happy to be employed.

              1. re: sunshine842

                So even if the installers are flown in, they have to stay in a local hotel and eat at local restaurants while they are there, don't they? That adds to the economy too.

                1. re: rasputina

                  but as a percentage of the total cost of the job "it affects the local economy little".

          2. re: sunshine842

            I'm sorry but I really don't think anyone should have to apologize for being rich. They made their money and can spend it as they see fit.

            Hell, I wish I could spend £ 250,000.00 to redo my kitchen. I can't and have no ill will towards someone who can.

            DT

        2. The rule of thumb for kitchen work is that it should be about 15% of the total value of the home; spend less and you may shortchange the home's value on resale, spend more and you're not likely to recover the cost. So $250K for a $500K house might be a waste, but for a house valued at $1.5M or more, maybe not.

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          1. re: ferret

            but there aren't many of us with $1.5M cribs.

            1. re: sunshine842

              Doesn't mean there aren't many, many $1.5M homes in the US and abroad. There's an obvious market for it.

              1. re: sunshine842

                Bear in mind, it's a UK article. Houses in London valued at $1.5M (around £920K) would not be all that uncommon. Yes, out of the reach of most folk but not the sort these are being marketed to - celebs, footballers, other very wealthy folk.

                1. re: sunshine842

                  Unfortunately 1.5M doesn't go very far in Manhattan. Here's a 1BR in Manhattan listed for 1.5M. And the kitchen is nothing special -- I don't think it costs anywhere near $250K.

                  http://streeteasy.com/nyc/sale/738513...

                  Crazy.

                  1. re: Miss Needle

                    Nor does $1.5M go very far in Silicon Valley. A recently-built town home or a '50s rancher is about what you'd get for that amount. It's all relative.

                  2. re: sunshine842

                    And most of those with $1.5 million cribs, unless they've owned them forever and they've just increased in value dramatically, probably have the kind of money they'd need to pay for the re-do themselves.

                  3. re: ferret

                    Since I photograph such spa kitchens for a living I can vouch for the perspective. Many remain free of owners or free of furniture for years because high today, low tomorrow folks shot their wad on kitchens, outdoor living spaces and landscape. Don't let the price tag completely impress you. Folks spend $$$ for all sorts of reasons.

                    1. re: ferret

                      At the high price ends, fancy kitchens are expected, too. It's hard to sell a high end house w/ laminate countertops. I know people who have double thick granite countertops that cost more than many houses but when every house has it, those on the market w/ do better than those w/out.

                      1. re: chowser

                        While some new owners will buy, rip out the double thick granit and replace it with the latest in countertops just because they can, and they don't want "hand me downs"....trust me, the market is all over the place.

                        1. re: HillJ

                          <<Sigh>> If I knew who they were, I could try to buy used double thick countertops cheap. I'm sure there would be plenty for my little kitchen/

                          1. re: chowser

                            We would find the dirty seconds in dumpsters in the development...but usually the new builders/contractors would nab them before we ever came by.

                            1. re: HillJ

                              OK. A quarter of a million aside, a valid question here:

                              I have used a tablet twice to follow a recipe online while cooking, with mixed results, as I get my hands involved when cooking or baking:

                              How many of our Chowhound members would use an IPhone, or do use an IPhone to cook with in the kitchen ?

                              This could be used to start an appliance, increase or decrease appliance controls, or even follow a recipe ?

                              I would appreciate any thoughts and input.

                              1. re: SWISSAIRE

                                The kitchen in the article has a touchscreen control, which is not an iPod or tablet, just a touch-capable control pad. I don't think there's a lot of utility in using an iPhone with it.

                                1. re: SWISSAIRE

                                  I can totally envision a touch-screen tablet computer, embedded into the fridge door, that could be handled with dirty hands then sprayed and wiped clean each night. I would want to check recipes, but also keep a running shopping list that I could send to the printer OR to my iPhone when heading out the door. It would have a programmable set of daily reminders (Johnny, use your inhalers, Mom, set the orchard sprinklers, It's Thursday: is the garbage out? etc etc etc.) When not in use it would run my family photo archive, or else a cool array of famous artwork that would change every day. :-)

                                  Best of all, you couldn't move it, lose it, or muck up the keyboard.

                                  As for controlling appliances, an integrated kitchen tablet might be OK to start the d/w in the night, or make sure that the fridge/freezer temp isn't too high, or to delay/start the oven. But honestly, those things should be done by a human with a real brain. I don't think we should ever abdicate all of our responsibilities to technology---it dumbs us down.

                                  1. re: SWISSAIRE

                                    Having attended many a trade show on the latest, greatest in kitchen app technology, much is already built in to major appliances, kitchen design and custom applications should the owner wish. The last tech kitchen I photographed was about the size of a pantry, high tech low spec and fabulous. So SIZE doesn't necessarily matter. Having a custom space, of any size, is the new way of doing things...including high end kitchens.

                                    1. re: SWISSAIRE

                                      iphone screen is too small to cook from( it's also not a tablet), but I cook from my ipad every day. All my recipes are copied into my ipads mac gourmet app.

                                      1. re: rasputina

                                        Have you given Evernote or Evernote Food a try yet, rasputina?
                                        http://evernote.com/food/

                                        1. re: HillJ

                                          I didn't know they have a food specific app. I've been using macjournal for my personal recollections.

                                      2. re: SWISSAIRE

                                        I use both my husbands iPad, but also my galaxy 10 tablet for recipes/cooking in the kitchen. . See my threads on boilerplate. It ks the bomb, especially for complicated thanksgiving day menus. I agree that phones are too small in the kitchen.

                                        Oh, and I did try evernote, but in a restaurant.

                                        1. re: Shrinkrap

                                          We have dedicated monitors in 5 rooms of the house; including the kitchen. I can control what I see or search for on any given monitor via a cell app/pw code, thur a tv, a keyboard or remote control via pin. More times than not the recipes are housed inside an application anyway, which means I can grab it from every storage cell. But you know what...I still love cookbooks and magazines..

                                          1. re: HillJ

                                            All that is with evernote?

                                            "See my threads on boilerplate. It ks the bomb, especially for complicated thanksgiving day menus. "

                                            was supposed to say "See my threads on pepperplate. It is the bomb, especially for complicated thanksgiving day menus.

                                            1. re: Shrinkrap

                                              I use several of the Evernote apps for variety of projects/work/etc. Each Evernote app works well together and thru a simple PIN I can pull up what I need from any work station even if I'm off site.

                                        2. re: SWISSAIRE

                                          I use my ipad while baking; it's a lot better than taking my laptop to the kitchen or printing out a recipe.

                                          1. re: nikkib99

                                            Our kitchen monitor is on a small wall space, just the right height level to comfortably read it-totally hands free.

                                      3. re: chowser

                                        Think of how thrilled Habitat for Humanity would be to get those counter tops, kitchen cabinets, sinks, etc.

                                        1. re: KailuaGirl

                                          KG, if you are familiar with that charity then you already know how those projects work. I've photographed close to 40 HforH homes in the tri-state area and the major utility companies and large box construction stores donate materials, appliances and construction costs to these projects. Volunteers also raise funds to furnish them and the designing has no relationship to 30K counter tops. HforH homes are affordable, appropriate neighborhood designs for families in need of a leg up.

                                          Most high end dumpster dives go into other projects and contractors make money twice (but don't get me started on that!).

                                          1. re: HillJ

                                            HillJ, I've worked building several HforH homes here in Hawaii and agree with you about them being affordable and appropriate for their neighborhoods. Being an island state we don't have as many options/donors as you guys on the Mainland do. I was being a little facetious re: the counter tops, but I've helped in building houses that did re-use cabinets from remodeled homes elsewhere. Some of those cabinets were nicer than those that are usually donated by the big box sores - for example good solid wood as opposed to press board. Nothing ostentatious, just good quality materials.

                                            Together with my family I've also flipped many homes, doing all the work ourselves. We've torn out really beautiful old cabinetry from high end homes elsewhere that were "modernizing" and re-used it to seriously upgrade what we started with in the houses we were renovating. Once we tore down an old carriage house and used the 2x12 redwood to make outdoor furniture and huge picnic tables for our family's house as well as our partners' house. Recycling is a good thing, and can really reduce costs. :-)

                                            I agree with you about contractors making money twice. In my somewhat limited personal experience with contractors they do so in almost aspects of building, but especially with windows and tiles.

                                            Finally, thank you for your work with HforH. It really is one of my favorite charities and does very worthwhile work for the community.

                                            1. re: KailuaGirl

                                              Right back atcha, KGirl. What a pleasure, to read your comment!

                                              1. re: HillJ

                                                Thanks, Hill!

                                              2. re: KailuaGirl

                                                My mother is a long time fund raiser for HforH and, while the repurposed countertops and cabinets might not be usable for most HforH builds, they are a great fundraising source for the ReStores. There are also unused items that builders will donate available. Love those ReStores!

                                                1. re: Terrie H.

                                                  Terrie H., if the owners, not the builders, originally paid for the countertops and cabinets then they should be the ones credited with donating the materials for REpurposed projects. Whatever builders are pulling out of an abandoned remodel or thinking and realize later they can't use doesn't equal ownership. Finders keepers...but not a true donation.

                                                  1. re: HillJ

                                                    Certainly true, HillJ. I wasn't commenting on the dumpster diving issue, just that the ReStore is a great place to donate used items pulled out during kitchen remodels.

                                                    1. re: Terrie H.

                                                      Sure, as long as the people who actually bought the materials do the donation or provide permission for donation. Never hurts to question the source of donor inkind support.

                                    2. re: ferret

                                      How many kitchens should a $1.5M house have?

                                      I ask because I went to the house of a friend of my daughter's, and the friend's sister was using the kitchen. So my daughter's friend said, "Let's use the other kitchen" ... so we walked around the corner and there was an additional restaurant-grade kitchen -- which turned out to be the "caterer's kitchen". It seems that here in New Jersey the 1% need one kitchen for the family, and a separate larger kitchen for the caterers. :)

                                      1. re: drongo

                                        Great, at least someone is feeding this economy. The construction industry has been severely depressed and can use all the work they can get.

                                        1. re: drongo

                                          I know three families with two kitchen and none of them are particularly wealthy. One had six kids and a huge extended family. That house has a regular kitchen/family room area and then off to the side, through the butlers pantry, another kitchen with tons of counter area. This second one worked as a bulk cooking and prep area as well as for holiday meals. The first was for everyday use. (It is my husband's dream to buy this house as it has a number of very unique features)

                                          The other two have complete kitchens on the lower level for entertaining and/or canning.

                                          1. re: cleobeach

                                            Reminds me of the canning porch at my great grandma's. Ok it was basically just an electric stove and some counters LOL.

                                            1. re: rasputina

                                              There were many farms in my area that had summer kitchens that survived but most were converted to other uses. I know many a family that had an extra old stove in the garage or shed for canning.;

                                          2. re: drongo

                                            folks who keep kosher homes frequently have two kitchens.

                                            1. re: drongo

                                              I would love to have a second kitchen.

                                          3. Not a rare thing in Montgomery Co MD or Fairfax Co VA.Both counties have a large number of homes 12,000 - 35,000 square ft.I know of 2 AGAs and 1 french custom that are used only by the caterer or once a week private chef.Many of these kitchens are more like trophy collections and hood ornaments than tools.

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                                            1. re: lcool

                                              Re lcool: A lot of that going on in Westchester County, NY too. Massive, super expensive kitchens with all the latest toys. And the most used appliance in the kitchen? The microwave.

                                              1. re: lcool

                                                I have a neighbor in a 2,800 sq ft house with an AGA. That thing is huge. And awesome, I'd love it.

                                                1. re: jeanmarieok

                                                  Aside from the initial expense of an AGA there's the energy expense (and waste). The more recent stoves have energy management features but the vast majority in use are energy hogs and can consume 20-40 times as much energy as a more traditional stove.

                                              2. I found out the hard way that it is crazy-easy to go over-budget in a kitchen remodel.
                                                Doesn't surprise me one bit.

                                                1. I could see spending the 250,000 pounds on a massive kitchen (if I had it to spend) but the article states that those stoves can cost up to 160,000 pounds. How does that happen? Jewels, precious metals?

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                                                  1. re: kengk

                                                    It IS a mind bender, kengk!

                                                    1. re: kengk

                                                      Pretty.

                                                      http://www.molteni.com/node474.asp?Pr...

                                                      I guess if I had that wealth, I'd go for the stove over the 5k diamond ring.

                                                    2. We barely use our blast chiller at work, I cant imagine why I'd need one at home ><

                                                      1. a "tad " high? You're kidding right?

                                                        Maybe for the Queen of England that would be "average," but not for "regular" folks.

                                                        1. This is not the price for a redo, but the cost of the appliances. Probably need to add another £100,000 for the place to put these appliances in.

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                                                          1. re: Bkeats

                                                            Smallbone cabinets average around £50,000; add finishes and labor and you're easily above £100K.