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250,000 for a kitchen remodel sound OK ?

SWISSAIRE Sep 21, 2012 06:53 PM

Actually, to be precise it is £ 250,000.00.



It might seem a tad high, but it is IPod controlled after all . . . . . .

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  1. drongo RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 22, 2012 05:27 AM

    That's more than my entire house!

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    1. re: drongo
      sunshine842 RE: drongo Sep 22, 2012 05:32 AM

      I was going to say...for that much (that's about US$400,000) -- I could knock down and rebuild the whole house.

      Pretty disgusting, given the global economy. Unemployment, slow or negative growth, and yet folks are flaunting a kitchen that's worth more than most people's houses. Bleh.

      Makes me think of the old Eddie Murphy routine about the kid flaunting his ice cream and singing "I got my ice cream, and you don't got none, 'cause you're on the welfare!"

      1. re: sunshine842
        dinersaurus RE: sunshine842 Sep 24, 2012 02:02 PM

        Would you rather that they hoard their money? Or, would you rather that they put it back into the economy, providing jobs for carpenters, plumbers, electricians, etc?

        1. re: dinersaurus
          tommy RE: dinersaurus Sep 24, 2012 02:10 PM

          Sounds like she wants a check. I'm always amazed when people are criticized for earning and spending their own money.

          1. re: tommy
            sunshine842 RE: tommy Sep 24, 2012 02:18 PM

            excuse me -- did I say I wanted a check? Um, no. I didn't. And I wouldn't take that kitchen if it came giftwrapped and delivered to my door. Those sorts of installations are also only rarely done with local tradespeople (because the installers have to be specially trained and flown in just for the job, natch)...so it affects the local economy little, if at all.

            There are a lot of ways to spend a lot of money in very good ways without it going to a bunch of electronics that will live their lives completely untouched, only to be tossed into a landfill when the newest greatest thing comes along.

            I also don't really care if someone wants to spend that kind of money -- but it's rather crass to flaunt it quite so openly.

            It's the in-your-face conspicuous consumption -- for something that will likely never get used -- that sickens me.

            1. re: sunshine842
              HillJ RE: sunshine842 Sep 24, 2012 02:25 PM

              sunshine, folks with money do spend it in a variety of ways; including charitably. most of the kitchens I've worked with are privately owned. the only way inwhich the public gets to see these works of art are in magazines, private tours, real estate showings and natch relations. I don't care how anyone spends their money but I learned long ago not to make assumptions about how anyone lives or why.

              What I have been exposed to in my trade sometimes curls my hair but without it I wouldn't be making a living. I am happy to be employed.

              1. re: sunshine842
                rasputina RE: sunshine842 Sep 28, 2012 08:16 AM

                So even if the installers are flown in, they have to stay in a local hotel and eat at local restaurants while they are there, don't they? That adds to the economy too.

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                  sunshine842 RE: rasputina Sep 28, 2012 10:22 AM

                  but as a percentage of the total cost of the job "it affects the local economy little".

          2. re: sunshine842
            Davwud RE: sunshine842 Sep 27, 2012 04:42 AM

            I'm sorry but I really don't think anyone should have to apologize for being rich. They made their money and can spend it as they see fit.

            Hell, I wish I could spend £ 250,000.00 to redo my kitchen. I can't and have no ill will towards someone who can.


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          ferret RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 22, 2012 06:06 AM

          The rule of thumb for kitchen work is that it should be about 15% of the total value of the home; spend less and you may shortchange the home's value on resale, spend more and you're not likely to recover the cost. So $250K for a $500K house might be a waste, but for a house valued at $1.5M or more, maybe not.

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          1. re: ferret
            sunshine842 RE: ferret Sep 22, 2012 06:09 AM

            but there aren't many of us with $1.5M cribs.

            1. re: sunshine842
              ferret RE: sunshine842 Sep 22, 2012 06:19 AM

              Doesn't mean there aren't many, many $1.5M homes in the US and abroad. There's an obvious market for it.

              1. re: sunshine842
                Harters RE: sunshine842 Sep 23, 2012 08:07 AM

                Bear in mind, it's a UK article. Houses in London valued at $1.5M (around £920K) would not be all that uncommon. Yes, out of the reach of most folk but not the sort these are being marketed to - celebs, footballers, other very wealthy folk.

                1. re: sunshine842
                  Miss Needle RE: sunshine842 Sep 23, 2012 03:40 PM

                  Unfortunately 1.5M doesn't go very far in Manhattan. Here's a 1BR in Manhattan listed for 1.5M. And the kitchen is nothing special -- I don't think it costs anywhere near $250K.



                  1. re: Miss Needle
                    emily RE: Miss Needle Sep 25, 2012 09:15 AM

                    Nor does $1.5M go very far in Silicon Valley. A recently-built town home or a '50s rancher is about what you'd get for that amount. It's all relative.

                  2. re: sunshine842
                    KailuaGirl RE: sunshine842 Sep 24, 2012 01:43 PM

                    And most of those with $1.5 million cribs, unless they've owned them forever and they've just increased in value dramatically, probably have the kind of money they'd need to pay for the re-do themselves.

                  3. re: ferret
                    HillJ RE: ferret Sep 22, 2012 11:07 AM

                    Since I photograph such spa kitchens for a living I can vouch for the perspective. Many remain free of owners or free of furniture for years because high today, low tomorrow folks shot their wad on kitchens, outdoor living spaces and landscape. Don't let the price tag completely impress you. Folks spend $$$ for all sorts of reasons.

                    1. re: ferret
                      chowser RE: ferret Sep 22, 2012 01:05 PM

                      At the high price ends, fancy kitchens are expected, too. It's hard to sell a high end house w/ laminate countertops. I know people who have double thick granite countertops that cost more than many houses but when every house has it, those on the market w/ do better than those w/out.

                      1. re: chowser
                        HillJ RE: chowser Sep 22, 2012 02:00 PM

                        While some new owners will buy, rip out the double thick granit and replace it with the latest in countertops just because they can, and they don't want "hand me downs"....trust me, the market is all over the place.

                        1. re: HillJ
                          chowser RE: HillJ Sep 22, 2012 02:24 PM

                          <<Sigh>> If I knew who they were, I could try to buy used double thick countertops cheap. I'm sure there would be plenty for my little kitchen/

                          1. re: chowser
                            HillJ RE: chowser Sep 22, 2012 03:03 PM

                            We would find the dirty seconds in dumpsters in the development...but usually the new builders/contractors would nab them before we ever came by.

                            1. re: HillJ
                              SWISSAIRE RE: HillJ Sep 22, 2012 07:18 PM

                              OK. A quarter of a million aside, a valid question here:

                              I have used a tablet twice to follow a recipe online while cooking, with mixed results, as I get my hands involved when cooking or baking:

                              How many of our Chowhound members would use an IPhone, or do use an IPhone to cook with in the kitchen ?

                              This could be used to start an appliance, increase or decrease appliance controls, or even follow a recipe ?

                              I would appreciate any thoughts and input.

                              1. re: SWISSAIRE
                                ferret RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 22, 2012 08:56 PM

                                The kitchen in the article has a touchscreen control, which is not an iPod or tablet, just a touch-capable control pad. I don't think there's a lot of utility in using an iPhone with it.

                                1. re: SWISSAIRE
                                  applgrl RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 22, 2012 09:25 PM

                                  I can totally envision a touch-screen tablet computer, embedded into the fridge door, that could be handled with dirty hands then sprayed and wiped clean each night. I would want to check recipes, but also keep a running shopping list that I could send to the printer OR to my iPhone when heading out the door. It would have a programmable set of daily reminders (Johnny, use your inhalers, Mom, set the orchard sprinklers, It's Thursday: is the garbage out? etc etc etc.) When not in use it would run my family photo archive, or else a cool array of famous artwork that would change every day. :-)

                                  Best of all, you couldn't move it, lose it, or muck up the keyboard.

                                  As for controlling appliances, an integrated kitchen tablet might be OK to start the d/w in the night, or make sure that the fridge/freezer temp isn't too high, or to delay/start the oven. But honestly, those things should be done by a human with a real brain. I don't think we should ever abdicate all of our responsibilities to technology---it dumbs us down.

                                  1. re: SWISSAIRE
                                    HillJ RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 23, 2012 05:00 AM

                                    Having attended many a trade show on the latest, greatest in kitchen app technology, much is already built in to major appliances, kitchen design and custom applications should the owner wish. The last tech kitchen I photographed was about the size of a pantry, high tech low spec and fabulous. So SIZE doesn't necessarily matter. Having a custom space, of any size, is the new way of doing things...including high end kitchens.

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                                      rasputina RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 23, 2012 03:11 PM

                                      iphone screen is too small to cook from( it's also not a tablet), but I cook from my ipad every day. All my recipes are copied into my ipads mac gourmet app.

                                      1. re: rasputina
                                        HillJ RE: rasputina Sep 23, 2012 03:18 PM

                                        Have you given Evernote or Evernote Food a try yet, rasputina?

                                        1. re: HillJ
                                          rasputina RE: HillJ Sep 24, 2012 06:55 AM

                                          I didn't know they have a food specific app. I've been using macjournal for my personal recollections.

                                      2. re: SWISSAIRE
                                        Shrinkrap RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 23, 2012 03:51 PM

                                        I use both my husbands iPad, but also my galaxy 10 tablet for recipes/cooking in the kitchen. . See my threads on boilerplate. It ks the bomb, especially for complicated thanksgiving day menus. I agree that phones are too small in the kitchen.

                                        Oh, and I did try evernote, but in a restaurant.

                                        1. re: Shrinkrap
                                          HillJ RE: Shrinkrap Sep 23, 2012 05:28 PM

                                          We have dedicated monitors in 5 rooms of the house; including the kitchen. I can control what I see or search for on any given monitor via a cell app/pw code, thur a tv, a keyboard or remote control via pin. More times than not the recipes are housed inside an application anyway, which means I can grab it from every storage cell. But you know what...I still love cookbooks and magazines..

                                          1. re: HillJ
                                            Shrinkrap RE: HillJ Sep 24, 2012 01:57 PM

                                            All that is with evernote?

                                            "See my threads on boilerplate. It ks the bomb, especially for complicated thanksgiving day menus. "

                                            was supposed to say "See my threads on pepperplate. It is the bomb, especially for complicated thanksgiving day menus.

                                            1. re: Shrinkrap
                                              HillJ RE: Shrinkrap Sep 24, 2012 02:03 PM

                                              I use several of the Evernote apps for variety of projects/work/etc. Each Evernote app works well together and thru a simple PIN I can pull up what I need from any work station even if I'm off site.

                                        2. re: SWISSAIRE
                                          nikkib99 RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 24, 2012 02:29 PM

                                          I use my ipad while baking; it's a lot better than taking my laptop to the kitchen or printing out a recipe.

                                          1. re: nikkib99
                                            HillJ RE: nikkib99 Sep 24, 2012 02:31 PM

                                            Our kitchen monitor is on a small wall space, just the right height level to comfortably read it-totally hands free.

                                      3. re: chowser
                                        KailuaGirl RE: chowser Sep 24, 2012 01:45 PM

                                        Think of how thrilled Habitat for Humanity would be to get those counter tops, kitchen cabinets, sinks, etc.

                                        1. re: KailuaGirl
                                          HillJ RE: KailuaGirl Sep 24, 2012 01:59 PM

                                          KG, if you are familiar with that charity then you already know how those projects work. I've photographed close to 40 HforH homes in the tri-state area and the major utility companies and large box construction stores donate materials, appliances and construction costs to these projects. Volunteers also raise funds to furnish them and the designing has no relationship to 30K counter tops. HforH homes are affordable, appropriate neighborhood designs for families in need of a leg up.

                                          Most high end dumpster dives go into other projects and contractors make money twice (but don't get me started on that!).

                                          1. re: HillJ
                                            KailuaGirl RE: HillJ Sep 26, 2012 01:16 PM

                                            HillJ, I've worked building several HforH homes here in Hawaii and agree with you about them being affordable and appropriate for their neighborhoods. Being an island state we don't have as many options/donors as you guys on the Mainland do. I was being a little facetious re: the counter tops, but I've helped in building houses that did re-use cabinets from remodeled homes elsewhere. Some of those cabinets were nicer than those that are usually donated by the big box sores - for example good solid wood as opposed to press board. Nothing ostentatious, just good quality materials.

                                            Together with my family I've also flipped many homes, doing all the work ourselves. We've torn out really beautiful old cabinetry from high end homes elsewhere that were "modernizing" and re-used it to seriously upgrade what we started with in the houses we were renovating. Once we tore down an old carriage house and used the 2x12 redwood to make outdoor furniture and huge picnic tables for our family's house as well as our partners' house. Recycling is a good thing, and can really reduce costs. :-)

                                            I agree with you about contractors making money twice. In my somewhat limited personal experience with contractors they do so in almost aspects of building, but especially with windows and tiles.

                                            Finally, thank you for your work with HforH. It really is one of my favorite charities and does very worthwhile work for the community.

                                            1. re: KailuaGirl
                                              HillJ RE: KailuaGirl Sep 26, 2012 01:34 PM

                                              Right back atcha, KGirl. What a pleasure, to read your comment!

                                              1. re: HillJ
                                                KailuaGirl RE: HillJ Sep 27, 2012 01:03 PM

                                                Thanks, Hill!

                                              2. re: KailuaGirl
                                                Terrie H. RE: KailuaGirl Sep 27, 2012 09:36 AM

                                                My mother is a long time fund raiser for HforH and, while the repurposed countertops and cabinets might not be usable for most HforH builds, they are a great fundraising source for the ReStores. There are also unused items that builders will donate available. Love those ReStores!

                                                1. re: Terrie H.
                                                  HillJ RE: Terrie H. Sep 27, 2012 10:31 AM

                                                  Terrie H., if the owners, not the builders, originally paid for the countertops and cabinets then they should be the ones credited with donating the materials for REpurposed projects. Whatever builders are pulling out of an abandoned remodel or thinking and realize later they can't use doesn't equal ownership. Finders keepers...but not a true donation.

                                                  1. re: HillJ
                                                    Terrie H. RE: HillJ Sep 27, 2012 11:17 AM

                                                    Certainly true, HillJ. I wasn't commenting on the dumpster diving issue, just that the ReStore is a great place to donate used items pulled out during kitchen remodels.

                                                    1. re: Terrie H.
                                                      HillJ RE: Terrie H. Sep 27, 2012 11:53 AM

                                                      Sure, as long as the people who actually bought the materials do the donation or provide permission for donation. Never hurts to question the source of donor inkind support.

                                    2. re: ferret
                                      drongo RE: ferret Sep 23, 2012 08:02 PM

                                      How many kitchens should a $1.5M house have?

                                      I ask because I went to the house of a friend of my daughter's, and the friend's sister was using the kitchen. So my daughter's friend said, "Let's use the other kitchen" ... so we walked around the corner and there was an additional restaurant-grade kitchen -- which turned out to be the "caterer's kitchen". It seems that here in New Jersey the 1% need one kitchen for the family, and a separate larger kitchen for the caterers. :)

                                      1. re: drongo
                                        rasputina RE: drongo Sep 24, 2012 06:58 AM

                                        Great, at least someone is feeding this economy. The construction industry has been severely depressed and can use all the work they can get.

                                        1. re: drongo
                                          cleobeach RE: drongo Sep 25, 2012 06:56 AM

                                          I know three families with two kitchen and none of them are particularly wealthy. One had six kids and a huge extended family. That house has a regular kitchen/family room area and then off to the side, through the butlers pantry, another kitchen with tons of counter area. This second one worked as a bulk cooking and prep area as well as for holiday meals. The first was for everyday use. (It is my husband's dream to buy this house as it has a number of very unique features)

                                          The other two have complete kitchens on the lower level for entertaining and/or canning.

                                          1. re: cleobeach
                                            rasputina RE: cleobeach Sep 28, 2012 08:20 AM

                                            Reminds me of the canning porch at my great grandma's. Ok it was basically just an electric stove and some counters LOL.

                                            1. re: rasputina
                                              cleobeach RE: rasputina Sep 28, 2012 01:55 PM

                                              There were many farms in my area that had summer kitchens that survived but most were converted to other uses. I know many a family that had an extra old stove in the garage or shed for canning.;

                                          2. re: drongo
                                            sunshine842 RE: drongo Sep 25, 2012 07:10 AM

                                            folks who keep kosher homes frequently have two kitchens.

                                            1. re: drongo
                                              jeanmarieok RE: drongo Sep 27, 2012 03:09 AM

                                              I would love to have a second kitchen.

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                                            lcool RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 22, 2012 10:14 AM

                                            Not a rare thing in Montgomery Co MD or Fairfax Co VA.Both counties have a large number of homes 12,000 - 35,000 square ft.I know of 2 AGAs and 1 french custom that are used only by the caterer or once a week private chef.Many of these kitchens are more like trophy collections and hood ornaments than tools.

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                                              Maryld RE: lcool Sep 24, 2012 06:59 AM

                                              Re lcool: A lot of that going on in Westchester County, NY too. Massive, super expensive kitchens with all the latest toys. And the most used appliance in the kitchen? The microwave.

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                                                jeanmarieok RE: lcool Sep 27, 2012 03:12 AM

                                                I have a neighbor in a 2,800 sq ft house with an AGA. That thing is huge. And awesome, I'd love it.

                                                1. re: jeanmarieok
                                                  ferret RE: jeanmarieok Sep 27, 2012 09:03 AM

                                                  Aside from the initial expense of an AGA there's the energy expense (and waste). The more recent stoves have energy management features but the vast majority in use are energy hogs and can consume 20-40 times as much energy as a more traditional stove.

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                                                pedalfaster RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 23, 2012 03:59 PM

                                                I found out the hard way that it is crazy-easy to go over-budget in a kitchen remodel.
                                                Doesn't surprise me one bit.

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                                                  kengk RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 24, 2012 02:51 PM

                                                  I could see spending the 250,000 pounds on a massive kitchen (if I had it to spend) but the article states that those stoves can cost up to 160,000 pounds. How does that happen? Jewels, precious metals?

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                                                  1. re: kengk
                                                    HillJ RE: kengk Sep 24, 2012 03:01 PM

                                                    It IS a mind bender, kengk!

                                                    1. re: kengk
                                                      chowser RE: kengk Sep 24, 2012 03:05 PM



                                                      I guess if I had that wealth, I'd go for the stove over the 5k diamond ring.

                                                    2. twyst RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 25, 2012 09:17 AM

                                                      We barely use our blast chiller at work, I cant imagine why I'd need one at home ><

                                                      1. ChefJune RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 27, 2012 10:20 AM

                                                        a "tad " high? You're kidding right?

                                                        Maybe for the Queen of England that would be "average," but not for "regular" folks.

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                                                          Bkeats RE: SWISSAIRE Sep 27, 2012 12:01 PM

                                                          This is not the price for a redo, but the cost of the appliances. Probably need to add another £100,000 for the place to put these appliances in.

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                                                          1. re: Bkeats
                                                            ferret RE: Bkeats Sep 27, 2012 03:13 PM

                                                            Smallbone cabinets average around £50,000; add finishes and labor and you're easily above £100K.

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