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Top Chef Masters "Episode 9: Old School, New School " (9/19/12) [*SPOILERS*]

ipsedixit Sep 19, 2012 08:26 PM

Is it already the penultimate show? Part of me is relieved ... actually, a big part of me is relieved.

Judges break out their toques for the Quickfire and it's James and Chris taking the win.

But it's Kerry rising to the challenge in the Elimination round when he and his high school students take the show with chicken and creamed(!) spinach.

Lorena now has more time to gin up Taco Bell bowls, or whatever they're called.

Chris v. Kerry. And so it shall be.

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  1. Shrinkrap RE: ipsedixit Sep 19, 2012 11:06 PM

    I liked Lorena being positive. Kerry was really driving them. thought those kids would have to decide that they like that harassment, or pick a different career path. Hope it pays off for them, too.

    Jo jo has type 2 diabetes!

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      Joanie RE: Shrinkrap Sep 20, 2012 04:26 AM

      I only caught the last 15 min, will watch the whole thing at some point, but I thought Lorena went out with class. It may have all been a big fake smile but she seemed like she had no problem at all with the decision and in the little bit I saw, it seemed like everyone got along better. Will confirm that (or not) when I can.

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        ChefJune RE: Shrinkrap Sep 20, 2012 07:29 AM

        Who is Jo jo?

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          jeanmarieok RE: ChefJune Sep 20, 2012 08:01 AM

          Jo jo was one of the kid chefs.

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            ChefJune RE: jeanmarieok Sep 20, 2012 08:54 AM

            thanks. I fell asleep and missed it. :(

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        debbiel RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 05:00 AM

        When I saw the preview last week, I complained about having other folks cook for them this late in the season. But I loved the episode. Really loved it. I enjoyed seeing their different styles of working with the kids and thought they all did a great job with that.

        Happy with the final two, still pulling for Chris.

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          scubadoo97 RE: debbiel Sep 21, 2012 09:05 PM

          I said the same thing but then they grew on me

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          linus RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 05:40 AM

          ipse, great recap.
          shall we call in seal team six to rescue you from those villians who planted you in front of the t.v. and forced you to watch?

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            ipsedixit RE: linus Sep 20, 2012 07:42 AM

            Only if none of them write a memoir about it afterwards.

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              linus RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 08:28 AM

              fair enough. however, one of them is going to be a guest judge on 'top chef seattle,' in a challenge wherein the chefs have to perform many seal-like duties in addition to cooking, for the sole purpose of pissing off viewers.

          2. chowser RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 01:23 PM

            Lorena competing for the Healthy kids alliance and shilling for Taco Bell. Every time she talked about how important healthy eating for kids was was, Jojo having diabetes, I thought of that.

            I loved seeing Chris interact w/ the kids and how he mentored and taught them. It seemed like the other kids learned to make their dishes. Chris's kids learned about cooking. Glad Chris is in the finale. And, that Ruth called Lorena on her making good home cook meals. I did think Lorena went out w/ class.

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              Shrinkrap RE: chowser Sep 20, 2012 11:28 PM

              My daughter thought Chris acted like they were way younger than they were. Especially when he helped them steer the cart. But we are rooting for him.

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                huiray RE: Shrinkrap Sep 21, 2012 06:15 AM

                You mean she thought he was condescending?

                Whom did she want as a tutor?

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                  Shrinkrap RE: huiray Sep 21, 2012 12:59 PM

                  I had asked her if she meant condescending, and she said no. BTW, she is 22, so.........

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                  scubadoo97 RE: Shrinkrap Sep 22, 2012 08:52 PM

                  I think Chris's direction was different. He wanted the students to understand the reason for doing things a certain way and not just teach technique

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                  piccola RE: chowser Sep 21, 2012 07:31 PM

                  I thought it was interesting that she prided herself on making healthy food when the lasagna was basically layers upon layers of cream, cheese and various meats. I mean, it's not bad per se, but not necessarily the healthiest either (although at least it's made from real ingredients, unlike fast food).

                  If anything, I think Lorena infantilized her students a little, though it came from a good place. She didn't want to push them because she wanted to reinforce their self-esteem but it came across a bit like hand-holding. At the same time, it looks like everyone had fun and that's what matters.

                  Kerry, on the other hand, was a real taskmaster, but the challenge really built up his students' confidence in the end.

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                    DGresh RE: piccola Sep 22, 2012 01:33 AM

                    yes, I thought also, the kid has type 2 diabetes, and you're going to cook *pasta*? Why not show a better way to do it, with eggplant, or squash instead. But perhaps she found that out after they shopped? I don't think so, but don't completely recall.

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                      piccola RE: DGresh Sep 22, 2012 06:19 PM

                      I do think she found out after they started cooking, but her reaction was still along the lines of, Thank god I'm teaching them how to cook healthy foods then! Oh well.

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                        KailuaGirl RE: DGresh Sep 24, 2012 01:36 PM

                        I thought the same thing about JoJo. I'm sure he's been learning about high glycemic foods and all that stuff as a newly diagnosed diabetic. I understand that the science behind that is now coming under fire in some quarters but still, tons of pasta and cream and cheeses? Replacing the pasta with eggplant and making eggplant parmigiana or even just marinara would have been a much healthier choice, and still been a variation on lasagna. For that matter, she could have used spinach lasagna noodles.

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                          scubadoo97 RE: DGresh Sep 24, 2012 11:15 PM

                          Was this a meal the "chefs" were to eat? I thought they were cooking for mystery dinners. That meal had better be Top Chef worthy if they were going to win and a chef needs to cook for the diners even if it's food they can't eat or care for

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                            DGresh RE: scubadoo97 Sep 25, 2012 02:53 AM

                            No question, but I think that Lorena could have improved on *all* counts if she'd done something that wasn't your typical meal that Americans eat (too much of) at home. She could have succeeded at making something more restaurant-quality, AND more healthy. And given that Jo-Jo and she were having a discussion about learning about healthy food through cooking......

                    2. LindaWhit RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 06:35 PM

                      Based on plating alone, I figured Chris and Oseland had won the Quickfire.

                      Interesting how each chef worked with their kid chefs. I loved Chris taking time to actually teach his kids vs. talking at them to create the specific dish. I think he helped excite his students into really learning about food itself. Thought Kerry's pushing his students might have one of them break down but they powered through.

                      Glad Chris's dish made it through vs. Lorena's, but Lorena was gracious in her exit.

                      1. gaffk RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 06:39 PM

                        Ugh, my conspiracy theory died tonight.

                        1. huiray RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 06:57 PM

                          So glad that Garcia woman is gone.

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                            DGresh RE: huiray Sep 21, 2012 02:41 PM

                            I figured as soon as she decided to serve family style, she was done.

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                              Janet from Richmond RE: DGresh Sep 24, 2012 06:47 AM

                              But I will be making my next lasagna in my cast iron skillet :)

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                                DGresh RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 24, 2012 10:13 AM

                                I think if she'd done them in individual ramekins or mini skillets, she might have been ok.

                          2. C. Hamster RE: ipsedixit Sep 20, 2012 08:55 PM

                            I got home and only saw the very end. Have no DVR.

                            Are full episodes available on the Internet?? A lunchtime watch on my computer ?

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                              SusieQQ RE: ipsedixit Sep 21, 2012 06:51 AM

                              I really didn't care who won. but Kerry's attitude was bad. I know that many Executive Chefs are pushy and aggressive, but I didn't like his manner of dealing with his students. If he hadn't won, the whole experience for his kids would have been very, very negative.

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                                RUK RE: SusieQQ Sep 21, 2012 07:03 AM

                                Hmmm, how was he supposed to show and teach them? Teaching means you might also have to correct them?

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                                  jeanmarieok RE: SusieQQ Sep 21, 2012 07:42 AM

                                  I thought Kerry was OK. He absolutely was pushy, but he wasn't unkind. He just didn't coddle them, set the bar high, and was appreciative of their results and hard work. Kind of real world - except maybe he was more appreciative than a real boss would be.

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                                    FoodPopulist RE: SusieQQ Sep 21, 2012 03:16 PM

                                    He was demanding but not demeaning. If these kids are interested in a culinary career, understanding that they may find themselves under the gaze of a stern taskmaster would be a useful experience.

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                                      cresyd RE: SusieQQ Sep 23, 2012 03:40 AM

                                      Had these students been every day high schoolers, I'd agree. However, given that they already came in with some cooking vocational training - I don't think Kerry took a bad approach. He reminded me more of a sports coach I had in high school - but not in a bad way. He didn't "name call" and most of his pushing was in giving them tasks that were at a higher level and pushing them to work faster than they normally did. And while he did keep saying things like "faster" - there weren't any shots of him telling them to rush knife skills, carrying more weight than they could physically manage, or something else technically dangerous.

                                      Holistically, I think that a good teacher is going to give their students a mix of tough love and coddling - but in a capsule of an education having a tough task master come in for a 'master class' isn't necessarily a bad thing. And while I'm sure this is a tv edit - the notion that they finished the challenge "exhausted but proud" really reminded me of the sports analogy. Now maybe they didn't leave with ideas of a cooking philosophy like Chris's students did - but they did leave (possibly) thinking "hey, I can hang with the big dogs, I can do this". And that is equally as valuable a learning experience.

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                                      FoodPopulist RE: ipsedixit Sep 21, 2012 03:14 PM

                                      This was one of my dream challenges that I would have come up with if I were a Top Chef producer. The stuff that Chris said about the challenge and testing a chef's communication skills is something I completely agree with.

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                                        ratgirlagogo RE: FoodPopulist Sep 23, 2012 03:33 PM

                                        I agree - this was a test of how much of a Master in the original sense each Top Chef actually was. How much of a Master are you if you can't train apprentices?

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                                          chowser RE: ratgirlagogo Sep 23, 2012 05:11 PM

                                          You know what would be a great challenge is to have the kids go on and make their own meals, planned, shopped, etc by themselves and see what they come up with. THAT would show how well they were trained.

                                        2. re: FoodPopulist
                                          Janet from Richmond RE: FoodPopulist Sep 24, 2012 06:48 AM

                                          Chris has grown on my so much since the first episode. I thought he was abrasive.

                                          Now, I want to have his children.

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                                            LindaWhit RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 24, 2012 06:58 AM

                                            ROFLMAO!!! OK, now ^ THAT ^ is funny!

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                                              Janet from Richmond RE: LindaWhit Sep 24, 2012 07:22 AM

                                              And impossible for a number of reasons ;-)

                                              Seriously, I am resisting the urge to stalk him.

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                                                LindaWhit RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 24, 2012 07:38 AM

                                                LOL! I'm pretty sure I know a couple of the reasons. :-) But yes, he does grow on you. But I liked his working and personal interaction with Patricia Yeo from the beginning (although he easily butted heads with other TCMs), so I was hoping he be in the thick of it at the end.

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                                                  chowser RE: LindaWhit Sep 27, 2012 05:24 AM

                                                  Wasn't his problem in the beginning only w/ Art? And, it seemed like it was more Art's fault but I could be remembering wrong now. I loved his interactions w/ Patricia and Takashi. A finale w/ him and Takashi would be great. Hey, wouldn't it be fun if TCM had special editions of "Showdowns you'd like to see" ? Although, I guess the two did have a showdown and it was the best part of the series, imo. When he gave his pork belly to Takashi because he didn't want to win on a technicality--that was the best.

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                                                    LindaWhit RE: chowser Sep 27, 2012 05:59 AM

                                                    Interestingly, Chris said on "Watch What Happens" last night (yes, I watched, even tho I don't like Andy Cohen) that he and Art have been friends for 8 years and that it was really "no big deal. Bravo has *VERY* good editors!"

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                                                      scubadoo97 RE: chowser Sep 27, 2012 09:26 AM

                                                      Yeah it was with Art and Art was pushing his buttons just being Art.
                                                      Chris seems to be a likeable guy who went from "bad kid" to passionate chef.
                                                      He's my favorite to win. Finale recorded just haven't watched it yet

                                                  2. re: Janet from Richmond
                                                    Shrinkrap RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 24, 2012 05:45 PM

                                                    Impossible? What, a vasectomy? He's biologically a woman? Hey, is anybody watching "The New Normal"?

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                                                      gaffk RE: Shrinkrap Sep 24, 2012 05:55 PM

                                                      Umm . . . "biological clock" ring an alarm?

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                                                        Shrinkrap RE: gaffk Sep 24, 2012 06:06 PM


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                                                          Janet from Richmond RE: gaffk Sep 25, 2012 07:37 AM

                                                          Biological clock and surgically no longer able to have children :-) Chris and I could give it a try though.....lol

                                                          1. re: Janet from Richmond
                                                            kubasd RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 25, 2012 07:55 AM

                                                            You never know unless you try!
                                                            And if at first you don't succeed, try try again! lmao

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                                                              Janet from Richmond RE: kubasd Sep 25, 2012 10:02 AM

                                                              Perseverance is a virtue!

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                                                    debbiel RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 24, 2012 06:23 PM

                                                    Ha!!! But back off. I threw him my support weeks ago. He's mine!!!

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                                                      Janet from Richmond RE: debbiel Sep 25, 2012 07:37 AM

                                                      I will take you down :-D

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                                                        debbiel RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 25, 2012 08:03 AM

                                                        It's on, Richmond.

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                                                          Janet from Richmond RE: debbiel Sep 25, 2012 10:02 AM

                                                          You got it :-D May the best woman prevail!!

                                                          Either way, Chris will be the winner....hehe

                                                          1. re: Janet from Richmond
                                                            LindaWhit RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 25, 2012 10:23 AM

                                                            You two are sounding like me and goodhealthgourmet fighting over Eric Ripert. ;-)

                                                            1. re: LindaWhit
                                                              kubasd RE: LindaWhit Sep 25, 2012 11:00 AM

                                                              LW, I was thinking the saaaaame thing! I love it :)

                                                            2. re: Janet from Richmond
                                                              chefhound RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 25, 2012 03:29 PM

                                                              I would get in on this because I am crazy about Chris and also want to stalk him but I'm saving all my love for Hugh. Have you read his blogs on Bravo? He is so smart and funny!

                                                              1. re: chefhound
                                                                kubasd RE: chefhound Sep 25, 2012 05:25 PM

                                                                I've been rooting for Chris since I FIRST saw he was on the show.... I'm so glad he's in the final two!! But I so agree that Hugh is hilarious, and his intelligence definitely shows. I'm a big fan of sarcastic, wry humour.

                                                                1. re: kubasd
                                                                  chefhound RE: kubasd Sep 26, 2012 08:51 AM

                                                                  Hugh's blog is the only one worth reading. The others are ok but nothing special.

                                                                  Maybe they should do a Top Chef Masters All-Stars. Chris and Hugh could battle it out for our love.

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                                                                    Janet from Richmond RE: chefhound Sep 26, 2012 10:34 AM

                                                                    That would be great. And I agree about his blog being the only one worth reading.

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                                                            scubadoo97 RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 25, 2012 08:57 AM


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                                                          LulusMom RE: Janet from Richmond Sep 27, 2012 05:18 AM

                                                          Aside from the children thing, I totally agree with you. I didn't much care for Chris at first, but now I'm pulling for him. And I thought he was amazing as a mentor.

                                                      2. huiray RE: ipsedixit Sep 25, 2012 07:54 AM

                                                        I gather Chris Cosentino has women fighting for his favors.

                                                        Poor Kerry Heffernan...no one seems to seek his attentions.

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