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Hey everyone!

I'll be in town for 6 nights end of Sept. and 1st week Oct. for the Cinerama film fest at the Arclight Dome - flying in from SFO!

I haven't been to LA in years, but I want to avoid anything and everything contempo and modern - strictly 1920-1960s diners, delis, steakhouses, cocktail lounges, supper clubs, and classic movies for this trip!

The catch is that my girlfriend is only in town for 3 nights (Fri-Sun) and then I'm flying solo the remaining 3 nights, so I want to get all the glamorous dining venues knocked out while she's in town. The other catch is that we're having dinner with her family on the Saturday night, which further complicates things. I'll get to that in a moment!

In the meanwhile, please have a look at my proposed itinerary, as well as my short list of classic Los Angeles Area restaurants and cocktail lounges (will post follow-up):

FRI 09/28
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• 09:30 AM - Arrival at LAX Int'l Airport

• 10:45 AM - Breakfast at Nick's Coffee Shop

• 12:00 PM - Check-In at Best Western Hollywood Hills

• ???

• 03:30 PM - Late Lunch and Classic Cocktails at Cole's French Dip Sandwiches

• 07:00 PM - How The West Was Won at the Arclight Dome

• 10:00 PM - Dinner at Musso and Frank Grill

• 11:30 PM - La Descarga w/ Gary and Becki

SAT 09/29
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• 12:00 PM - Lunch at Pann's w/ Renée, Dennis and Bryce

• 02:00 PM - Afternoon Sunbath on the B.W. Pool Deck

• 06:00 PM - Evening Viewing of Koenig's Case Study House 22 (Stahl House)

• 08:00 PM - Dinner at Cicada Restaurant w/ Janie and Carly

• 11:00 PM - Holiday In Spain at the Arclight Dome

• 01:00 AM - Last Call at Tiki Ti Cocktail Lounge

SUN 09/30
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• 10:30 AM - Sunday Jazz Brunch at The Polo Lounge of The Beverly Hills Hotel

• 12:30 PM - Poolside Cocktails at The Cabana Café and Orange Freeze at the Coffee Shop

• ???

• 02:00 PM - The Hollywood Museum

• 04:00 PM - Philip Mershon's Felix In Hollywood Tour (?)

• 06:45 PM - Dinner at Taylor's Steakhouse

• 08:15 PM - This Is Cinerama at the Arclight Dome

• 10:30 PM - Cocktails at the HMS Bounty (and-or) Formosa Cafe

• 12:30 AM - Latenight Soda Fountain and Home-Made Dessert at The 101 Coffee Shop

MON 10/01
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• 06:00 AM - Drive JM to LAX Int'l Airport for 07:10 AM Flight to SFO

• 08:00 AM - Poolside Lounging at B.W. Motel

• 12:30 PM - Lunch at Langer's Delicatessen

• 01:30 PM - Walk Along Hollywood Boulevard: Grauman's Chinese Theatre, Roosevelt Hotel, El Capitan Theater, etc.

• 03:20 PM - South Seas Adventure at the Arclight Dome

• 06:00 PM - Hickory Cheeseburger at The Apple Pan

• 07:00 PM - The Wonderful World Of The Brothers Grimm at the Arclight Dome

• 10:15 PM - Cinerama Holiday at the Arclight Dome

• 12:30 AM - Spicy Polish Dog w/ Mustard, Jalapenos, Onions, Chili, and Sauerkraut at Pink's Famous Chili Dogs - Midnight Snack Fix!

TUE 10/02
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• 11:45 PM - Lunch at Nate 'n Al Delicatessen

• 12:30 PM - Walk Down Rodeo Drive and Sunset Strip

• ??? - {J. Paul Getty Museum - Huntington Library and Botanical Gardens - Forest Lawn Memorial - Hollywood Bowl}

• 07:00 PM - Dinner at The Dresden Restaurant (or) Pacific Dining Car (or) Dal Rae Restaurant

• 08:15 PM - 2001: A Space Odyssey at the Arclight Dome

• ???

WED 10/03
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• 10:45 AM - Breakfast at Canter's Delicatessen

• 11:30 AM - Stroll Down Miracle Mile

• 12:30 PM - Griffith Observatory + Samuel Oschin Planetarium

• 04:45 PM - Walk Through Chinatown

• 05:30 PM - Dinner at Philippe The Original

• 07:00 PM - It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World at the Arclight Dome

• ???

THU 10/04
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• 09:00 AM - Breakfast at The 101 Coffee Shop (or) Pepy's Galley

• 12:30 PM - Search For Paradise at the Arclight Dome

• 03:30 PM - Afternoon at Venice Beach and Santa Monica Pier (?)

• 07:00 PM - Rental Car Return and Arrival at LAX Int'l Airport for 8:35 PM Flight to SFO

• 07:30 PM - Jet Set Cocktails at The Encounter Sky Bar Lounge

NOW HERE'S THE PROBLEM:

Cicada is booked for a private party on Saturday night! We (my girlfriend and I) absolutely want to make reservations there at some point between Friday and Sunday and are determined to do so, but we don't want to cut anything else out of our limited eating schedule. I'm more into the old steakhouses than she is, although she certainly appreciates the mid-century atmosphere and ambiance. She actually doesn't eat red meat (not a veg though!), but still likes all the old two-fisted meat-and-martini joints out of the fifties and sixties rat pack era. She'll always find something good and isn't too picky, as long as the food is at least up to par. We definitely must do Musso & Frank together, but I'd be glad to eat at Taylor's or elsewhere on my own after she flies back to SF. I'm planning on doing all of the delis and pastrami joints solo because it's not her thing and is more comfortable to eat single than much of the other sit-down restos. We have several problems though.

1) Family - we need to meet her family for dinner on the Saturday night. They are particular eaters. Not necessarily discerning foodies, though they like to eat well and expect to do so when spending money. I don't really understand why, but we're expected to go somewhere "nice" ie. at least moderately expensive. They don't care so much about the ambiance of a place so long as the food is very good. None of the places on my list could really be considered 'creative' or 'interesting' and I'm worried about bringing them anywhere where they'll be served a plating of precut frozen vegtables, surf'n'turf, and a baked potato sprinkled with parsley - they will NOT go for that! I wanted to do Taylor's with them but my girlfriend keeps insisting that they will not like it. I'm baffled and aggravated but such is family!

2) Screening schedule - we have purchased tickets to all of the Cinerama screenings at the Arclight and the posted times are very strict. It's all reserved seating and they will refuse anyone entry after the feature begins, so we cannot be late or miss anything, which not only complicates our eating schedule but leaves us with very small windows to enjoy meals. There are quite a few latenight and early bird dinners.

Here's what I'd like help with... I need to do Cicada another night with my girlfriend and find a replacement for the family dinner on Saturday night. I've urged my girlfriend to just invite her family to meet us at the Beverly Hills Polo Lounge for the Sunday jazz brunch, but I think they have other plans that day... I'll keep trying/insisting regardless!

What to do with her family Saturday night (assuming they won't join us for Sunday brunch) that's still keeping in theme with everything else planned in our itinerary? Both my girlfriend and myself recently got back from a month-long trip overseas that consisted almost entirely of eating at fancy fine didning michelin restaurants and we don't want to step foot into any place remotely like that... I want only dimly lit supper clubs and authentic diners, delis, lunch counters, coffee shops, canteens, beaneries, hash houses, taprooms, cocktail lounges, etc. for this trip to Hollywood!

If I were to reschedule Cicada for the Sunday night (which I'd actually prefer because of the live music and dancing!) would it be feasible to do at 6:30pm or would the place be absolutely dead and boring? Is that way too early? We have a two-hour film screening to catch at the Arclight at 8:15pm (we have a rental car!) so we'd either need to dine before or after the movie! Cicada doesn't seems like a place to rush though and I wish we could plan for an evening-long event without sacrificing other plans on our itinerary. Can we do Cicada between 6:30-8pm and would that even be enjoyable or would we be the only ones seated? I don't want to bother if it's going to be sunny out and we'll miss the live entertainment. Can we do Cicada afterwords at 10:30pm... or is that way too late for a full dinner seating and would we miss the live entertainment if so? How long does dinner service last at the Cicada Club??

I'm so bummed that it's rented out on the Saturday night for a private party because I think our initial plans were so perfectly suited!

Here's my full list of old Hollywood food and drink joints btw, in case I'm missing anything substantial... I would love to get feedback on all of the above and hopefully some advice and suggestions on what to do for Saturday night (where should I make reservations for 6??) and how to readjust our plans to fit everything in with our tight schedule!

Gracias!

PS - If it helps, we're staying at the Best Western Plus Hollywood Hills Motel.

Thanks again for any insight and suggestions with our planning!


OLD HOLLYWOOD RESTAURANTS & LOUNGES:
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- Pann's
- Langer's
- Canter's Delicatessen and Restaurant
- Nate 'n Al Delicatessen
- Cole's French Dip Sandwiches
- Philippe The Original
- Johnnie's French Dip Pastrami
- Johnny's Pastrami
- Clifton's Cafeteria
- Park Pantry
- Nick's Cafe
- The Apple Pan
- Original Pantry
- Pepy's Galley
- Nat's Early Bite Coffee Shop
- Nick's Coffee Shop
- The 101 Coffee Shop
- Snug Harbor
- Du-Par's Restaurant
- Roscoe’s House of Chicken ’n Waffles
- Pink's Famous Chili Dogs
- Bob's Big Boy
- Bob's Big Boy (Johnny's) Broiler
- Cassell's Hamburgers
- Chili John's
- Randy's Donuts
- Paul's Kitchen
- Dear John's
- Taylor's Steakhouse
- Dal Rae Restaurant
- Musso & Frank Grill
- Original Miceli's
- HMS Bounty
- Tom Bergin
- The Dresden Restaurant
- Pacific Dining Car
- Cicada Restaurant
- Dan Tana's Restaurant
- Matteo's Italian Restaurant
- The Derby Restaurant
- Buggy Whip
- Damon's Steak House
- Clearman's Steak 'n Stein
- Clearman's North Woods Inn
- Tam O'Shanter
- Smoke House
- El Cholo Spanish Cafe
- Casa La Golondrina Mexican Cafe
- The Polo Lounge at The Beverly Hills Hotel
- La Descarga
- The Edison
- El Cid
- Formosa Cafe
- Tiki-Ti Cocktail Lounge
- Tonga Hut
- Bahooka
- Trader Vic's Los Angeles

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  1. My GF would not be amused if I went to Langers and she did not.

    "05:30 PM - Dinner at Philippe The Original

    • 07:00 PM - It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World at the Arclight Dome"

    Not a fun drive at that hour and you may even be late, depending on how long it takes you to eat and traffic.

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    1. re: ns1

      Ha, it's the other way around with us! She doesn't eat red meat and isn't into delicatessens (despite living 3 years in NYC, shock!) so I'm glad to do that solo!

      She'll eagerly join me if she thinks a restaurant has ambiance to spare (hence brunches at Pann's and other old LA Googie landmarks) but if it's just piles of meat on rye, she's not impressed.

      Do you think a solo dinner at Philippe would really be cutting it that close at 5:30pm? I figured I'd surely be out by 6:15 pm at the absolute latest... unless I'm missing some vital knowledge about Philippes (I've never actually been!). Are there long line-ups or waits at the door? Is service slow? I figured on Philippes because I assumed I could down a quick sandwich and do the in 'n' out efficiently within 30 mins. eating alone. Is it traffic or other factors that make that one a close shave? I could always show up 15-20 mins. earlier... just curious.

      Thanks for the heads up btw!

      1. re: OliverB

        Some of your times to get to the Arclight are very tight. You won't make it in one hour eating at the Apple Pan and getting back to the theater on a weekday at rush hour. Arclight will not let you in once the feature starts. In LA always give your self extra time to crosstown, a few miles on a map can be well over an hour.

        1. re: wienermobile

          Totally agree. Um, Phillippe's has super long lines practically most of the time. Hard to time that one. Especially if there's a a dodger game that night.

          And if one of those Johnnie's Pastramis is the one on Wilshire & Fairfax, it's closed.

          1. re: Dirtywextraolives

            No wrong Johnnie's... Johnnie's Pastrami is on Sepulveda and Washington in Culver City near Tito's Tacos.
            http://www.johnniespastrami.com

            1. re: wienermobile

              Okay, wasn't sure which he meant, just knew the one by the Peterson is closed.

          2. re: wienermobile

            Thanks so much... I'm just heading to the AP for a quick burger, but I could potentially head over there earlier.

            I have a film screening at the Arclight at 3:20pm that lasts 120 min (2 hrs).

            I'm planning on driving over right afterword, although I don't want to eat dinner too early.

            The next screening is at 7:00pm, back at the Arclight.

            How should I plan that and what time should I head over to the Apple Pan after the 3:20 showing?

            Would it really take more than 45 mins. tops with traffic to drive between venues?

            Google Maps is showing 8.6 miles and 20 mins by car, not accounting for traffic. I know LA traffic is killer but would it really take a full hour to drive 8 miles both ways?

            How long is the wait/line at the Apple Pan?

            If I'm in my car at 5:30 and at the Apple Pan at 6:00-ish (30 mins transit a safe bet?) shouldn't I easily be back at the Arclight by 7pm for the next screening?

            I'm unfamiliar with most of these places so I really don't know what to expect.

            Thanks again for all your help and feedback though, it's truly appreciated!!

            1. re: OliverB

              The real problem with LA Traffic is you never know how long it might take you, A 20 minute drive one day can become a 45 minute drive the next day. Always give your self plenty of extra time. Expect the unexpected. Rush hour (4-7pm) is the very worst and yes 8 miles can become one hour. You might want to stay in the Hollywood area between shows (I would) for your own peace of mind.

              The wait time for one at the Apple Pan should be around 15 minutes on a weekday evening, and don't skip the pie.

              1. re: wienermobile

                Thanks for the tip!

                Maybe I'll sneak out of the previous movie 15-20 mins. earlier to make time. Sounds kind of silly I suppose... but it's just a big splashy travelogue so I won't be missing any plot, and I'll be seeing lots of those vintage Cinerama travelogues over the weekend. I may just do that to free up time for a burger and pie! :)

                LA traffic is the worst!

                I really forgot how bad it gets.

                1. re: wienermobile

                  "The real problem with LA Traffic is you never know how long it might take you, A 20 minute drive one day can become a 45 minute drive the next day."

                  this 100%.

          3. re: ns1

            I think you should give the Tam O'Shanter a try for old hollywood. Fatty Arbuckle, Walt Disney, John Wayne, Mary Pickford... to name a few all ate there because the studios had no commissaries. It's like a time warp but the food is up to date and owned for 90 years by the Lawry's people. Its way more charming than Lawry's The Prime Rib which is downright boring. It was the original model for snow white's house because Disney was there so much, They have all the old memorbilia of the era nailed to the walls of the place, kinda like a museum.

            1. re: tastevin

              Sounds amazing; thanks!!

              1. re: tastevin

                Agree with tastevin - Tan O' Shanter is fab for old hollywood (we got to shake Roy Disney's hand there!) and, surprisingly good food. And I confess, I love that they offer you a chilled fork for your salad. So beautifully old school.

                The bar makes excellent cocktails and, you can buy a jar of CC Brown's hot fudge sauce to take wiht you - or have it in a sundae there.

            2. Welcome to LA for your great time travel eating adventure. Clifton's Cafeteria is currently closed and is undergoing a major remodel and will not be open during your visit. Cassell's is also closed as they prepare to move to a new location. Enjoy!

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              1. re: wienermobile

                Here is a link that may help you on your eating adventures...
                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/837600

                and you might enjoy eating at the classic Bob's Big Boy in Toluca Lake and sitting in the Beatles booth. Friday nights are classic car nights and even Jay Leno stops by. Don't forget flannel cakes at Musso & Frank for a late breakfast. I am also a big fan of Sung Harbor in Santa Monica and it's 1940's style diner. Papa Cristo's might be a good choice. You can never go wrong with the pastrami and rye at Langer's Deli.

                1. re: wienermobile

                  Yes, I've read about both of those - bummer!

                  It sounds like they're doing some amazing restorations at Clifton's though; I'm excited to return later this year to see what they've done!

                2. Wow. I'm impressed.

                  However, right off the bat, your Monday evening plan (6:00 at Apple Pan, 7:00 film) absolutely will not work. You'd have to allow more than 30 minutes driving between the two at that time of day. Since you've got a 3:20 screening, I assume you'll be getting out 4:30-5:00, leaving you a scant two hours. Have you ever been to Miceli's? I see it's on your list. Not the greatest, but pretty convenient. Boardner's is in the neighborhood, too.

                  Upon further reflection, I think a couple of your other planned itineraries are overly optimistic about city traffic. E.g., you're really pushing it with a 6:45 dinner at Taylor's and an 8:15 movie (assuming you're planning on eating, not just having a cocktail; if the latter, nevermind). You have to allow 20 minutes for driving and parking, leaving 70 minutes max at Taylor's. Enough for a drink, but probably not a full meal.

                  The same applies to your Tuesday dinner. You *might* make it from dinner at Dresden to the Dome, (allow 12-15 minutes for driving & parking), unlikely from PDC (20 minutes) and no chance in hell from Dal Rae (40 minutes).

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                  1. re: Jack Flash

                    i would definitely go to the Dresden. It's really a classic. But I wanted eat there. Cocktails and Marty and Elayne are the way to go.

                    1. re: Jack Flash

                      Thanks for your help and advice, Jack!

                      I'd potentially be out of the theater and in my car by 5:30pm at the latest, on my way to the Apple Pan. Will that definitely not work? How long would the transit time take?

                      I really just want to try their hickory burger... I guess I could even order to go and eat in the car on my way back. Even if I downed it there though, it surely wouldn't take more than 10 minutes max. to consume a single hamburger... unless they're exceptionally slow or there are long lines at the counter that I'm not accounting for.

                      If that's truly impossible, could I more conveniently swap that quick dinner out with something else from my existing itinerary (another diner or deli that might be better situated) as I'd really like to try to make it to all of these places listed? Maybe Langer's instead (although I would imagine the service and dining would take longer than at a burger stand) -- What do you suggest?

                      I think I'll end up swapping Taylor's in place of the canceled Cicada on Saturday night, and just making other plans with my girlfriend's family for brunch. I'm just going to insist that they meet us at the Polo Lounge instead! That would open up my dinner plans for Tuesday night and leave me with a more leisurely and better paced meal at Taylor's on Saturday.

                      Where to go in place of Taylor's on Tuesday in that case though?

                      And is there any way that I could somehow make it to Cicada's on my own at any point in the week... I'd really like to fit that in somewhere, somehow! Is it worth just stopping by for drinks and cocktails one night, or is that not as much fun as a full evening dining experience?

                      Should I move Taylor's to Saturday and Dresden to Sunday? What to do Tuesday then? Is 6:45pm too early for dinner at Dresden; would that detract from the overall atmosphere to eat at that hour??

                      Thanks again for all your helpful advice and suggestions!!

                      1. re: OliverB

                        A bigger problem with going to the Apple Pan on Monday: it's not open on Monday! I remembered that just now. So, even if you made record time, you wouldn't get your hickory burger.

                        Maybe you'd be better off hitting Apple Pan on Tuesday for dinner instead of the Dresden Room. It looks like your afternoon plans aren't set in stone, but a few of the places you mention are on the Westside, so Apple Pan is in play.

                        For your Monday dinner, I really think Miceli's, or maybe even Pig 'n' Whistle (I've never eaten there) both of which ooze old Hollywood. Not only that, but you could probably walk to either of them and back to the Dome. Roscoe's Chicken & Waffles is also doable.

                        You also mentioned Langer's. Be aware that Langer's closes at 4:00 p.m. every day (and doesn't open on Sundays).

                        If you go to Apple Pan on Tuesday, and are there by 6:30, you'd have time to eat (including pie) and make it back to the Dome for your 8:15 movie.

                        1. re: Jack Flash

                          Phew! Thanks so much for that -- I would've been seriously bummed if I rushed out there to find it closed!

                          Is it easier to do the Apple Pan on Tuesday or Wednesday?

                          I could easily knock out Chinatown on Wed. as I only slipped that in based on Philippe.

                          As for Langer's, I was planning on doing lunch there Monday around noon-ish. Good to know that it closes early though, just in case plans changed for any reason.

                          Thanks again!!

                    2. I wonder if Lawry's might work for your Saturday night family dinner. It certainly fits your theme and, while fairly locked into that theme, is a cut above "pre-cut frozen vegetables" even though it does offer surf 'n turf. While of far more recent vintage, I also thought of Jar, which offers a retro vibe and very interesting choices (e.g. char sui pork chop, purple potatoes with creme fraiche, and some of the best steaks in town) in the guise of a chop house.

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                      1. re: New Trial

                        Thanks but after consideration, I'm cancelling the Saturday evening family shindig and insisting that they meet us for brunch on Sunday instead! Lawry's looks really unintersting to me... it may be a Hollywood institution, but the remodeling and contemporary decor don't inspire! I'm going to give that one a pass... that's a lot of steakhouses too, after M&F, Taylor's, Dresden, etc. Such a bummer about Cicada; I SO wanted to eat there! :(

                        1. re: OliverB

                          As much as we like Pepy's Galley (and as frequently as we go there - at least once every other week on average) I'd say you are much better off either near your hotel at 101 Coffee Shop or even checking out Millie's http://www.milliescafe.net/ on Sunset or Fred 62 http://www.fred62.com/ (both closer to where you are staying)

                          1. re: Servorg

                            The 101 Coffee Shop is actually in our motel. We're staying at the Best Western Hollywood Hills. I'm sure we'll be in and out of there often. I'd like to try Pepe's on Thursday morning and can leave earlier if necessary. The only other real plans that I have for Thursday is a 12:30 screening at the Arclight, and I may even knock that one off and just spend the day around Venice Beach and the Santa Monica Pier. I'll see how I feel at that point, as I'll have spent plenty of time at the Cinerama dome and may just want to spend a day at the beach, in which case, Pepy's would be en route anyways!

                            1. re: OliverB

                              If you do end up at Pepy's then their breakfast is probably the better bet (you can order breakfast all day). Good chilaquiles (I usually order them with two eggs) and their house made beef chili (almost all meat with the beans cooked down so far you really can't find them), either as a cup with shredded cheese and onions or as an ingredient for one of their omelets.

                              I also like their Polish sausage breakfast and on their specials board they almost always offer one of their other sausage breakfasts, such as the apple-chicken sausage.

                              These are big fat sausages. The only issue I have with them is that their cooking method makes the skins on these sausages a little tough/wrinkled. One thing you must not miss is their red salsa. Garlicky, smokey and plenty of heat. They have one other type that is more blended but that one doesn't make my taste buds sing like the red one.

                              I've had (only once and wouldn't try it again) their chicken fried steak and it was a fail. They make a classic club sandwich with what seems like fresh roasted turkey that isn't bad. Their fries are of the "steakhouse" type, not the thin style. No beer or wine and I've never seen anyone bring it in either. You will almost always see the LAPD eating at Pepy's. They get A LOT of LAPD motor officers (motorcycle cops). They eat in the back section.

                              1. re: Servorg

                                Thanks so much, well noted! :)

                              2. re: OliverB

                                If 101 doesn't cut it for you, you might go around the corner on Bronson to Victor's Deli.
                                I haven't been that jazzed about Cicada since it changed from being upscale Italian. The setting is nice certainly. If you want something Hollywood, there's Musso's, Little Doms, etc.

                            2. re: OliverB

                              Tam O' Shanter does an excellent old school brunch. You can even get the prime rib for brunch!

                          2. Based on your criteria, old Hollywood, steaks and martinis, you MUST work Dan Tanas in the rotation. Be sure to sit in the front/bar room.

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                            1. re: BSW6490

                              Would it be easier to do Dan Tana's on Saturday night and Taylor's at 6:30 on Tuesday night, or vice versa? Would it be possible to fit Dan Tana's into my itinerary on Tuesday?

                              I would really like to eat at the Dresden also, which I'm told is a priority over DT... I'm not sure how to rearrange these nights.

                              1. re: OliverB

                                It will be much easier to do Dan Tanas on a Tuesday. If you go by 7 pm you should be able to sit in the bar room, which is where you want to be. The steaks are very good. I would also recomend the chicken beckerman (be sure to ask for dark meat otherwise skip it, its too dry) and the steak and peppers is great. Large portions.

                              2. re: BSW6490

                                Plus ONE for Dan Tanas.

                              3. How long does a proper dinner at the Dresden Room take btw?

                                If I were to be seated for 6:30pm on Tuesday evening, could I still make an 8:15pm screening at the Arclight? Even in heavy traffic, I can't imagine it'd take more than 30 mins as Google Maps is showing me 8 mins. between both venues.

                                Is one full hour sufficient time for a full dinner and cocktails at Dresden, or am I rushing things again? If I can be out by 7:30pm (6:30-7:30 dinner) then I could surely make it to the Arclight for the 8:15pm showtime, right?

                                1. Update: I've just rescheduled Taylor's for 6:00pm on Sunday night.

                                  It's only an 11 minute drive from the Arclight, so I figure 35 minutes max with traffic. If we arrive at Taylor's for 6pm and dinner takes 1.5 hrs we should still be able to easily make the screening for 8:15pm.

                                  Does anyone know if the Arclight has valet parking?

                                  Also, I've decided to skip dinner at the Dresden and have cocktails there instead on Wed. night, after the Cinerama screening.

                                  Thanks!!

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                                  1. re: OliverB

                                    No Valet Parking at Arclight Hollywood, The garage is easy to get in but it can take a while to get out.

                                    1. re: wienermobile

                                      Perfect! Getting in is my only concern!

                                      I wonder how it works if I pull out for some chow runs between showings though - any idea if it's a fixed/daily rate or do the make you pay by the hour?

                                      Thanks!

                                      1. re: OliverB

                                        ArcLight Theater Validation (with purchase of a ticket)
                                        · $3 for up to 4 hours
                                        · Posted rates thereafter (currently $3 each additional hour, up to a maximum fee of $12)
                                        No in and out (not the burger) , once you leave the garage you start over again.
                                        Umami Burger and their wonderful Hatch Burger are within walking distance (two blocks).
                                        and the Hungry Cat is across the street. Tender Greens is two blocks across Vine St. and Roscoe's House of Chicken and Waffles is a few more blocks east on Sunset Blvd.
                                        Skooby's Hot Dogs & Papaya King are a few blocks north off Hollywood Blvd. All walkable.

                                        1. re: wienermobile

                                          Thanks! I may do Roscoe's one morning too... wish I had another few days to fatten up! :)

                                      2. re: wienermobile

                                        Yes, getting out is a hassle and doing the parking pay machine thing.

                                    2. Question for Saturday night:

                                      It will now be JUST my girlfriend and myself.

                                      I am trying to decide between Pacific Dining Car and Dal Rae Restaurant.

                                      Is PCD really only good for their breakfast menu?

                                      What about Dal Rae??

                                      Which has better (original) decor and is stronger on atmosphere?

                                      Which offers a better all-around meal, and are there certain "safe" dishes (ie. must order __ at __!) or are both kitchens pretty well-rounded?

                                      If you had to chose one of the two for Saturday night with no time restrictions (our screening is at 11pm) would you chose Dal Rae or Pacific Dining Car?

                                      Thanks!!

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                                      1. re: OliverB

                                        I'd pick the Dal over PDC. Here is my last review of the Dal: http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/724180

                                        1. re: Servorg

                                          Thanks so much and terrific review - Dal Rae it is then!

                                          Haha, my girlfriend is going to kill me after dragging her out to all of these old chophouses. Musso and Frank, Dal Rae, and Taylor's in 3 nights - I'm going to need a coronary bypass when we get back to the Bay Area! I'll just wash it all down with many stiff hard drinks! :)

                                          This is going to be such a FUN week, I'm so excited!

                                          Thanks again!!

                                          1. re: OliverB

                                            I didn't process all of the information above, but based on your original post and the one I'm replying to, you and your girlfriend might enjoy adding Campanile to the mix (but don't replace Musso & Frank). Its an excellent restaurant food-wise and is housed in Charlie Chaplin's old office, which despite a contemporary architectural renovation retains much of its original character and the 1920s Catalina-tiled fountain in the front room.

                                            Also, given your other choices, you may prefer eating in the Fountain Coffee Shop at the Beverly Hills Hotel instead of doing their Sunday Jazz Brunch, which is better-suited for rich dentists on vacation from Houston or business travelers with expense accounts, in my opinion (and nothing against dentists or Houston..). The coffee shop was designed by architect Paul Williams, is a mostly unaltered piece of LA history, and (unlike the jazz brunch) will cost less than a night in your hotel for 2 people to eat there.

                                            Or you could combine these two pieces of advice and have Sunday brunch at Campanile.

                                            And I second the person who suggested the Bob's Big Boy in Burbank for your purposes. Its an easy drive past Universal and Warner Bros. from your hotel, is steeped in architectural character and Hollywood history, and has surprisingly serviceable food if you stick to the burger or the daily specials.

                                            Lastly, if someone was making me drive them from Hollywood to LAX at 6am on a Monday morning, I'd reward myself by diverting south afterwards for breakfast at the counter at Uncle Bill's Pancake House, which is in a 100 year-old building near the ocean and the setting of the opening scene of the original screenplay for Reservoir Dogs (for all you cinephile foodies out there..).

                                            Just my free advice. Enjoy your trip!

                                            1. re: Omniverous

                                              Thanks so much!!

                                              I've heard about the Fountain Coffee Shop (and the cute waitresses in their vintage style outfits) and am told the orange freeze is a must!

                                              Is it worth doing the jazz brunch at the Polo Lounge and then having drinks at the Fountain Coffee Bar afterward, or should we steer clear of the Lounge and Sunday Brunch altogether? My girlfriend is really excited about it and wanted to splurge on this... I can go eitherway. The food does look good though. Apart from the douchey clientelle, are the patio setting/surroundings pleasant enough? It kind of reminds me of the penguin scene from Mary Poppins, haha. I think my girlfriend will be relieved to have a more 'refined' and leisurely meal at the PL, in contrast to all of the chophouses, diners, and canteens that I'm dragging her around to! The Fountain Coffee Bar is definitely on our list though and a must-stop (for me!) after the jazz brunch.

                                              Thanks for letting me know about Campanille too... it sounds amazing!!

                                              I'm going to Google/Yelp it as soon as I hit the "post" button below! Same for Uncle Bill's!

                                              Thanks again!!

                                              1. re: OliverB

                                                You'd know better than anyone what you and your girlfriend would prefer. Personally, I prefer the Polo Lounge for evening drinks only and the Fountain Coffee Shop for dining because its more casual, has authentic character/architectural pedigree, and represents what I like about Beverly Hills. For a "money is no object" fancy-pants brunch, I'd go to the Hotel Bel-Air,, where I've only been once since they re-opened but the ambiance and service are exceptional and the food was very good. Plus, its a pretty drive getting up there through the gates of Bel Air.

                                                If you're more concerned with ambiance and Hollywood lore than food or cost/value, you'd also enjoy Sunday breakfast at the Chateau Marmont, which boasts a wholly different Sunday morning scene than the Beverly Hills hotel.

                                                But if I'm buying, Campanile is my default elegant Sunday brunch spot. Its beautiful, delicious, established enough to be off the food-tourist/ Iphone-blogger radar, and makes a mean bloody mary with roasted vegetables.

                                                But they're all good options and the Polo Lounge is very pretty plus 100% competent food-wise if you go that route. Good luck!

                                                1. re: Omniverous

                                                  "But if I'm buying, Campanile is my default elegant Sunday brunch spot."

                                                  Agreed. I have always liked Campanile much, much more for brunch than for dinner. I've found the dinners I've had there to be too much money for not that great of food.

                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                    What's your criticism of Campanille's dinner?

                                                    I decided to make res for Saturday night as my girlfriend really wants to do the BH Hotel on Sunday and I want to visit their fountain coffee shop too!

                                                    Can we still anticipate a good meal? We're big SF foodies, but both appreciate old architecture and mid century design and decor, etc. just as much!

                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                      In two dinners I didn't find anything particularly noteworthy about the food at Campanile. I also thought their service was border line indifferent. The building is interesting, and if you want to go for that reason I wouldn't dissuade you. I love the BH Hotel (aka The Pink Palace). The Fountain Coffee shop is great. Only counter seating. I'm not so in love with the Polo Lounge. But the hotel and its grounds are well worth the trip.

                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                        Value aside, was the food at least competent (fresh ingredients, interesting/creative preparation, efficient kitchen) or was it just a bad experience all around? We want to eat well on this trip, but the purpose isn't entirely food-centric (at least not in the way that the majority of our travels have been) and so while we'd normally go for really high end sushi and great Mexican for lunch, more innovative dinners... this trip is entirely different. As mentioned in my initial post - I really want a 20s-60s Hollywood/Los Angeles timewarp, so I'm willing to be slightly more forgiving than usual. We DON'T want to eat bad food though and will not ever sacrifice a good meal for ambiance alone! I hope that's not what's to be expected from Campanile...

                                                        As for my earlier question re. Pacific Dining Car - are they noteworthy for anything aside fromt heir brakfasts? Is it worth a dinner reservation or are they only good for 3am blueberry pancakes?

                                                        Thanks!

                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                          Like many on this board (and in life generally) I look at my dining dollars vs value received as signal to noise ratio. The stronger the signal the better the value. I though Campanile was weak on signal and after two tries I crossed it off my dinner list. There are others on this board who feel differently. You should try it and see what you think. All of this is so very individualistic that, to take one person's like (or dislike) and make a sweeping judgement is just not going to give you a good basis for your decision. I go to PDC for breakfast much more often than I go for dinner. Breakfast isn't cheap, but it's generally very good. The original location on 6th Street is charming. I find their dinner too expensive generally, but if you hit a good steak and are in the mood for meat then the value can be there - at least for me it can. YMM(and probably Will)V.

                                                          1. re: Servorg

                                                            I really prefer just to give advice to travelers and then skip the ensuing banter, but I agree that different people have different tastes and experiences..and beyond a certain point no one can tell you what you will or won't like. You (the original poster) may or may not like Campanile - its not on any of the lists anymore nor is it one of the same 10 restaurants that usually get recommended here and elsewhere, but frankly its the only one out of the zillion others mentioned in your original post and the subsequent replies that has a) legitimate Hollywood history, b) legitimate architectural character as opposed to plain-old nostalgia (nothing wrong with that either), AND c) a chef who shops at the Santa Monica farmers market himself most Wednesdays..and, for the record, D) a James Beard Foundation Award for best restaurant in America somewhere along the way.

                                                            I prefer it for brunch these days, but I've also eaten there for lunch or dinner at least 4 times a year for the last 13+ years and only had one or two misfires along the way (including an unfortunate incident involving an $18 hamburger and its three return-trips to the kitchen). If you're a San Francisco foodie, the most apt comparison would be to consider it an LA-version of Zuni Cafe or upstairs at Chez Panisse. Obviously there are differences and Campanile has been better some years than others for reasons irrelevant to eating there now, but all three restaurants are similar in their style of understated elegance, their adherence to a particular vernacular of California cuisine, the demographic of the clientele, and the fact that they were more fashionable 10 years ago (or more..) than they are today.

                                                            Hope that helps you make a decision and if you go, be sure to request a table in the front room near the fountain. Peace out.

                                                            1. re: Omniverous

                                                              That's perfect and exactly what I was looking for!

                                                              Sounds like the right place and I've already put in a request for seating in the front room by the fountain with my OT res!

                                                              Thanks so much, I never expected this place to be "in" with the newest restaurants on the LA scene, but this was just what I wanted to hear and I'm sure it will do fine!

                                                              Cheers!

                                                          2. re: OliverB

                                                            IMO there are countless better options than Pacific Dining Car (the steaks are fine) but its 30 years past its prime. A nice rime.

                                                            1. re: Thor123

                                                              Thanks and noted!

                                                              Just want to say that you've all been a great help in planning out our time and it's really appreciated!

                                                    2. re: Omniverous

                                                      While the Polo Lounge is very nice and has a great patio, great service and good food, they have a new chef, a reduced menu, much smaller portions and inflated prices (and it was already high). It has been a regular spot over the years for anniversaries but the reduced portions and higher prices have really turned me off.

                                                      1. re: Thor123

                                                        I think the brunch is something like $65/pp which is really expensive for any brunch, but will be a minor splurge for my gf's bday.

                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                          Make sure you sit on the patio.

                                                          1. re: Thor123

                                                            Indeed, I specified in my OpenTable reservation!

                                          2. You might want to consider Chez Jay in Santa Monica.

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                                            1. re: Juji

                                              And I'll throw in The Galley http://thegalleyrestaurant.net/ too as long as you are in the area.

                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                Good call!

                                                1. re: Servorg

                                                  Love the Galley. Absolutely great steamed clams. Chez Jay is a very fun dive steak house.

                                                  1. re: BSW6490

                                                    I think I'm going to end up skipping the 12:30 pm screening of 'Search For Paradise' at the Arclight on Thursday (I'll try to sell my ticket at a previous night) and will instead spend the day in Santa Monica and have lunch at The Galley. That sounds like more fun to me!

                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                      They only open at 5 pm.

                                                      1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                        Except Sunday, when The Galley opens at 1 PM for lunch.

                                                        1. re: Servorg

                                                          Good to know. Just know that every time I've tried to go they are closed with a painted sign over the door that says "We open at Five"! And the OP's schedule showed his 12:30 screening at the arclight on a Thursday.

                                                          1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                            As mentioned, I think I'll skip that screening to spend the day in Santa Monica by the beach.

                                                            Thansk though!

                                                        2. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                          Might not work then!

                                                          I have an 8:35 flight out of LAX back to San Fran so would probably need to be at the airport by 6:45 for a domestic flight, just to be safe. I might be able to get away with it if I head straight to the airport afterword, but it'd be tight!

                                                  2. re: Juji

                                                    Absolutely you must fit in Chez Jay when in Santa Monica.

                                                    Don't attempt the Getty and the Huntington on the same day. By the way, the Getty Center may be closed that week. A lot of your sightseeing involves crossing back and forth across the city, try to group your sightseeing. The 5 hours you've allotted to sightseeing Hollywood is 4 hours too long, especially since you'll be in the heart of it the whole trip. See Griffith Observatory on Sunday, not Tuesday.

                                                    If you do go downtown, have drinks at The Broadway Bar - super old school and beautiful.

                                                    1. re: yogachik

                                                      Yes that is correct the Getty is closed Sat 29th-Sun 30th due to Carmagedon 2.

                                                      1. re: yogachik

                                                        Thanks,

                                                        I hadn't planned on doing all of these things on the same day -- they were just listed as options for that afternoon. I would have likely done the Getty (we're talking the museum and not steak'n'seafood shanty in SM, right?) and so the weekend closure doesn't really effect my plans. The Getty and Huntington Library were really just options for that afternoon, since I'll have much of it free to wander around. I don't have any plans between at least 2pm and 6:30pm so I figure I could squeeze at least one of these in.

                                                        I don't quite understand your comment about allocating 5 hours to Hollywood... what day are you specifically referring to because I don't think I've done that at all? I was going to spend roughly an hour or so walking up Rodeo and the Sunset Strip (mostly to check out all the cool long defunct 60s clubs like The Haunted House, Pandora's, etc, with the help of my friend Domenic Priore's trusty guide/map from his book "Riot on Sunset Strip") after having lunch at Nate 'n Al. Apart from that though, I've only set aside about an hour or less to walk along Hollywood Blvd. to check out Grauman's, the Roosevelt, etc. Mostly to people watch. I'm not sure where you took "5 hours" from though? Please let me know if I'm misreading something as I do want to be efficient with the limited time that I've got.

                                                        Browadway Bar looks amazing btw - thanks you for that!

                                                        If I can get a cab over there for last-call after an hour or more at Descarga on Friday night, I will try my best! Otherwise, I'm sure I'll find a way to fit it into my plans somehow. I'd rather do this while my girlfriend is still around though, doesn't seem as well suited to a singles drinking lounge!

                                                        Lastly, I wasn't planning on doing Griffith Observatory on Tueday - I had scheduled that for Wednesday afternoon. Why do you suggest that I do it on Sunday instead?

                                                        I figured there would be less crowds during the week, and as my girlfriend has been before, I wanted to do it solo to maximize our time. Sunday is also a packed day and we wouldn't have sufficient time to enjoy ourselves there. I'm not entirely certain, but I think the reason that I chose to do this on Wednesday was because I wanted to try to catch one of the presentations in the Planetarium that was offered on this day.

                                                        Anyways, thanks so much for all of your input and I look forward to hearing back from you on all of the above points. I really appreciate all of the feedback!!

                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                          I suggest Griffith Observatory on Sunday because you're in that neighborhood with a window that day, plus here's where I got 5 hours in Hollywood:

                                                          • 02:00 PM - The Hollywood Museum

                                                          • 04:00 PM - Philip Mershon's Felix In Hollywood Tour (?)

                                                          • 06:45 PM - Dinner at Taylor's Steakhouse

                                                          By the way, not sure about "strolling Sunset Strip". There's not much to stroll. Sunset Plaza, maybe. Rodeo Drive and surrounding takes an hour, definitely stroll that area when at Nate n Als and then you're free for the afternoon. I suggest LACMA and Petersen Museum, along with Farmers Market (maybe I missed it, but I don't see Farmers Market on your itinerary, and you must include it!)

                                                          1. re: yogachik

                                                            Thanks... I see how you misread that now!

                                                            Felix in Hollywood Tour is a short 90 mins. walking tour.

                                                            See here: http://www.felixinhollywoodtours.com/

                                                            The Hollywood Museum is not essential but nearby our motel. Since it closes early and I don't want to go out of my way for it, I figured that if we had some extra time on Sunday, we'd swing by for 40 mins or so. For all I know, it might not even be worth it!

                                                            I've actually adjusted our itinerary and since changed that time to read 03:20pm instead of 02:00 as we surely don't need to spend 2 hours in what I assume will be a tiny museum. You're right though.

                                                            I'll post my (as of now) revised itinerary below so that people can comment on that rather than the old one above. I hope it's a bit more efficient and makes more sense now that I've revised things. Check the post below this one for that new itinerary.

                                                            Thanks again!

                                                            PS - I was unaware of the Farmer's Market (can it compete with San Francisco's?) but I'll definitely make a point of checking that out as I love all markets and always make a point of visiting them whenever I travel!

                                                            1. re: OliverB

                                                              It's not a "Farmer's Market", it's the Farmers Market (I suggest going for breakfast). It has nothing to do with what you know in SF:

                                                              http://www.farmersmarketla.com/

                                                          2. re: OliverB

                                                            " I'd rather do this while my girlfriend is still around though, doesn't seem as well suited to a singles drinking lounge!"

                                                            I agree with that. Besides, watching the burlesque show with your GF is part of the fun ;) Note La Descarga DOES have a dress code which is fairly strict by LA standards and IIRC you "should" make reservations. You'll also want to dry clean whatever you're wearing after La Descarga because it will smell horribly like cigar smoke (assuming you go into the cigar room)

                                                            1. re: ns1

                                                              Thanks, we have reservations though I'm a bit worried they're tight... we have a 10pm dinner at Musso and Frank Grill (at Rudolph Valentino's table!) and 11:30 reservations at Descarga. We'll just have to eat quickly, I suppose!

                                                              We're covered with the dress code... I'm usually considered "overdressed" whenever I'm out (if not fully suited, at least an odd jacket with button down, proper strides, and loafers), so this will be a nice change! ;)

                                                              1. re: OliverB

                                                                yep, like I said just be prepared to drop it off at the dry cleaner after - you don't want it stinking up your other clothes!

                                                                Sounds like you'll be overdressed everywhere else you go haha ;)

                                                                1. re: OliverB

                                                                  I was wondering why you picked Descarga. Not that it's not a worthy stop but it doesn't seem to be a natural fit with the rest of your schedule and is causing you to rush from Musso & Frank's. Also, you might be interested in the Writer's Room which was formerly the back bar at Musso & Frank's where Raymond Chandler, F. Scott Fitzgerald and others used to drink. It was newly renovated last year. I haven't been so I can't personally vouch for it but it seems more fitting with your intinerary to me.

                                                                  Also, I absolutely agree that your schedule is very tight with traffic, especially trying to make it to Apple Pan and back. I'd do something closer that night for dinner.

                                                                  Regarding your Hollywood Walking tour, you'll be able to find the building where the Haunted House was located but there won't be any evidence that it was ever there. The same might be true for the other defunct clubs.

                                                                  Finally, I would suggest that you go to the Dresden Room for drinks later that night rather than for dinner. Marty and Elayne come on at 9pm so you would miss them if you went for an early dinner. I'd also call first to make sure that they will be there. They are getting older and may have cut back on their schedule. The Dresden Room's website says that they are there on Tuesdays but who knows when they last updated it.

                                                                  1. re: bg90027

                                                                    Thanks so much -- please check out my updated itinerary as I've made adjustments for the Apple Pan and have decided to have drinks at the Dresden solo on Wednesday 10/03, as I've heard the food isn't great. I'd love to catch M&E though, I hope they're there!

                                                                    As for Descarga -- I'm not sure what the current scene is like (I'm a bit worried by the $300 min. + bottle for seating policy!) but when I was in LA many years ago, I thought it was a very cool speakeasy! Both my girlfriend and I love speakeasies... Bourbon and Branch in SF is one of our favorites in any city! I really liked the 1920s Havana hideaway vibe, great rum selections, and Cuban ballroom themed jazz when I was last there. I've heard it attracts a really douchey crowd on weekends nowadays though... I hope that isn't the case! Should I skip that one and head for the Broadway Bar instead? What's it like these days; is it to be avoided?

                                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                                      Don't sit down in the main room and enjoy your $12 mojitos and $15 cigars (or whatever it is now). We were easily able to find a seat in the cigar room.

                                                                      1. re: ns1

                                                                        Thanks! I don't even remember what the different rooms look like but I'll be sure to poke around!

                                                                    2. re: bg90027

                                                                      I never made it to these places but heard from a friend recently that The Writer's Room is a douchey electronica club with overpriced everything and hardly any of the original interior (save one brick connecting wall) intact. Next time I dine at Musso and Frank, I'm going to ask the waiter if I can poke my head inside.

                                                          3. Okay one more question: CAMPANILLE or DAL RAE??

                                                            I know where my gf's vote is cast!

                                                            Is it unequivocal? Should we do Campanille's Saturday at 8:30pm?

                                                            My friend says the remodel of Dal Rae is bad and the interior is ugly...

                                                            2 Replies
                                                            1. re: OliverB

                                                              Campanille is really good and a great room.

                                                              1. re: Thor123

                                                                Booked for Saturday night dinner at 08:30!

                                                            2. Just to add to the traffic issue. That weekend is Carmaggedon 2. The 405 will be closed in both directions through the sepulveda pass. You aren't crossing into the valley at all, but spill over traffic might still add to your times. For the first Carmaggedon, lots of people stayed home and driving was actually smoother than usual. Could happen again, or you could have lots of people heading out confident that "everyone else" is staying home like last time.

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                                                              1. re: lrhr

                                                                How did we all miss this? lol

                                                                1. re: lrhr

                                                                  Uh oh, now you're bumming.

                                                                2. HERE'S THE NEWLY REVISED AND UPDATED ITINERARY:

                                                                  STILL UNCERTAIN ABOUT THURSDAY; AS MENTIONED I MAY SKIP THE CINERAMA SCREENING AND JUST SPEND THE DAY IN SANTA MONICA BY THE BEACH, WITH LUNCH AT THE GALLEY!

                                                                  DO YOU SUPPOSE I COULD SQUEEZE MICELI'S IN AT 6PM ON 10/01 AND STILL MAKE IT TO A 7PM SCREENING AT THE ARCLIGHT OR NO WAY?

                                                                  FRI 09/28
                                                                  -------------

                                                                  • 09:30 AM - Arrival at LAX Int'l Airport

                                                                  • 10:45 AM - Breakfast at Nick's Coffee Shop

                                                                  • 12:00 PM - Check-In at Best Western Hollywood Hills

                                                                  • ???

                                                                  • 03:30 PM - Late Lunch and Classic Cocktails at Cole's French Dip Sandwiches

                                                                  • 07:00 PM - How The West Was Won at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 10:00 PM - Dinner at Musso and Frank Grill

                                                                  • 11:30 PM - La Descarga w/ Gary and Becki

                                                                  • 01:00 AM - Last Cocktail Hour at Broadway Bar

                                                                  SAT 09/29
                                                                  --------------

                                                                  • 12:00 PM - Lunch at Pann's w/ Renée, Dennis and Bryce

                                                                  • 02:00 PM - Afternoon Sunbath on the B.W. Pool Deck

                                                                  • 06:00 PM - Evening Viewing of Koenig's Case Study House 22 (Stahl House)

                                                                  • 08:30 PM - Dinner at Campanille w/ Janie, Carly and Kyle

                                                                  • 11:00 PM - Holiday In Spain at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 01:00 AM - Last Call at Tiki Ti Cocktail Lounge

                                                                  SUN 09/30
                                                                  ---------------

                                                                  • 10:30 AM - Sunday Jazz Brunch at The Polo Lounge of The Beverly Hills Hotel

                                                                  • 12:30 PM - Poolside Cocktails at The Cabana Café and Orange Freezes at the Fountain Coffee Shop

                                                                  • 03:20 PM - The Hollywood Museum (?)

                                                                  • 04:00 PM - Philip Mershon's Felix In Hollywood Tour

                                                                  • 06:00 PM - Dinner at Taylor's Steakhouse

                                                                  • 08:15 PM - This Is Cinerama at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 10:45 PM - Cicada Club

                                                                  • 01:45 AM - Latenight Soda Fountain and Home-Made Dessert at The 101 Coffee Shop

                                                                  MON 10/01
                                                                  ---------------

                                                                  • 05:00 AM - Drive JM to LAX Int'l Airport for 07:10 AM Flight to SFO

                                                                  • 06:00 AM - Early Breakfast at Pacific Dining Car (or) Uncle Bill's Pancake House by Manhattan Beach

                                                                  • 08:00 AM - Poolside Lounging at B.W. Motel

                                                                  • 12:45 PM - Lunch at Langer's Delicatessen

                                                                  • 02:00 PM - Walk Along Hollywood Boulevard: Grauman's Chinese Theatre, Roosevelt Hotel, El Capitan Theater, etc.

                                                                  • 03:20 PM - South Seas Adventure at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 06:00 PM - Dinner at Original Miceli's

                                                                  • 07:00 PM - The Wonderful World Of The Brothers Grimm at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 10:15 PM - Cinerama Holiday at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 12:30 AM - Spicy Polish Dog w/ Mustard, Jalapenos, Onions, Chili, and Sauerkraut at Pink's Famous Chili Dogs + Garlic Lover's Dog w/ Grilled Onions, Peppers, Kraut, Mustard + Chili Cheese Fries at Skooby's Hot Dogs - Midnight Snack Fix!

                                                                  TUE 10/02
                                                                  --------------

                                                                  • 11:45 PM - Lunch at Nate 'n Al Delicatessen

                                                                  • 12:30 PM - Walk Down Rodeo Drive and Sunset Strip

                                                                  • 02:00 PM - {??? - Afternoon Drinks at Chateau Marmont - J. Paul Getty Museum - Huntington Library and Botanical Gardens - Forest Lawn Memorial - Hollywood Bowl - ???}

                                                                  • 06:15 PM - Hickory Cheeseburger and Pie at The Apple Pan

                                                                  • 08:15 PM - 2001: A Space Odyssey at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 11:30 PM - Cocktails in Jack Webb's Booth at the HMS Bounty (and-or) Formosa Cafe

                                                                  WED 10/03
                                                                  ---------------

                                                                  • 10:45 AM - Breakfast at Canter's Delicatessen

                                                                  • 11:30 AM - Stroll Down Miracle Mile

                                                                  • 12:30 PM - Griffith Observatory + Samuel Oschin Planetarium

                                                                  • 04:30 PM - Walk Through Chinatown

                                                                  • 05:15 PM - Dinner at Philippe The Original

                                                                  • 07:00 PM - It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World at the Arclight Dome

                                                                  • 10:45 PM - Cocktails at The Dresden Room

                                                                  THU 10/04
                                                                  --------------

                                                                  • 09:00 AM - Breakfast at The 101 Coffee Shop (or) Pepy's Galley

                                                                  • 12:30 PM - Search For Paradise at the Arclight Dome (?)

                                                                  • 03:30 PM - Lunch at The Galley in Santa Monica (?)

                                                                  • 04:30 PM - Afternoon at Venice Beach and Santa Monica Pier (?)

                                                                  • 07:00 PM - Rental Car Return and Arrival at LAX Int'l Airport for 8:35 PM Flight to SFO

                                                                  • 07:30 PM - Jet Set Cocktails at The Encounter Sky Bar Lounge

                                                                  6 Replies
                                                                  1. re: OliverB

                                                                    Also, I may just walk out of the 'South Seas' screening on 10/01 at intermission (halfway through) to have dinner at Orig. Miceli's, if necessary!

                                                                    Approx. how long should I set aside for dinner there?

                                                                    Is one full hour enough/too much for a solo meal?

                                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                                      I think you could do a solo meal at Miceli's in an hour, particularly if you order something pretty simple like a pasta.

                                                                      1. re: Jack Flash

                                                                        Perfect! Do you think I'll need a reservation for 1 on a Monday night?

                                                                        I'm wondering if I should make a res. for 5:45... I will be at the Arclight at 3:20 for a 2 hour screening and Miceli's seems to be a 2 minute drive down Sunset.

                                                                        If the movie ends at 5:20, I can surely be at Miceli's for a 5:45 dinner reservation, right?

                                                                        If I'm seated at 5:45, I can also surely be back at the Arclight by 7pm for the next screening...

                                                                        Should I make a reservation or take chances with walk-in; how busy does it get and are there usually lines?

                                                                        Thanks!

                                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                                          No reservation necessary at that time on a Monday. You'll be fine. If your movie ends at 5:20, you could probably walk to Miceli's by 5:45. Driving, you'll be there at 5:27, but it might take another couple of minutes to find parking. Then again, at that hour, you just may luck into street parking.

                                                                    2. re: OliverB

                                                                      I have just turned literally green with envy, but thanks for sharing a very fun thread!

                                                                      1. re: lifeasbinge

                                                                        Glad you're enjoying it! I hope all can live vicariously through my sordid Hollywood posts of ribeyes, pastrami, old fashioneds, and classic movies! Cheers :)

                                                                    3. Btw, could anyone please help me out with the CICADA CLUB:

                                                                      I've posted to their Facebook page and Dean Mora's as well but have yet to get a response...

                                                                      I would REALLY love to swing by the Cicada for cocktails and maybe a latenight desert or something on Sunday 09/30.

                                                                      We have a screening ("This Is Cinerama") at the Arclight at 8:30 PM that I really don't want to miss though! We could be out of there and at Cicada between 10:30-10:45 PM at the absolute latest!

                                                                      The problem is that the doors are called for 06:00 PM and the entertainment (dinner shows, dancing girls, live band, etc) is scheduled for 08:00 PM.

                                                                      I want to know if we buy 2 tickets for the Cicada Club on this night, will we even be admitted at 10:45 PM if the show is at 08:00 PM, and assuming we are admitted without problem, would we miss all of the evening's entertainment or is it an all-night event??

                                                                      Does anyone know what time the stage show ends and if there are different sets throughout the night, or is it strictly a dinner/dance show that runs through from 08:00 PM onward?

                                                                      Is it safe to go ahead and buy 2 tickets even though we're certain to be at least 2.5 hours late for the club?

                                                                      If anyone has been before and could let me know whether the stage entertainment will still be swingin' past 11:00 PM, I'd greatly appreciate it!

                                                                      I also want to ensure that we'll still get in with our tickets even if we're 2.5 hours late.

                                                                      To clarify, this is NOT for a dinner reservations -- stritctly for the "Cicada Club", drinking, dancing, etc!

                                                                      Thanks very much!

                                                                      1. I just returned from my annual 5 day film related trip to Hollywood. I ate at Pig and Whistle once 5 years or so ago. I had Shephard's Pie, which is a favorite of mine. It was so so and have never returned. A friend of mine told me he got sick after his last visit to Micelli's in Hollywood. There menu does look intriguing in an old school kind of way. Musso's is a great choice, especially Saturdays for the shortribs.

                                                                        Sometimes less is more. Just reading your schedule tires me out. I have attended many film festivals and if you are rushing around to restaurants, you are not going to enjoy the films. Luckily for you the Farmer's Market Kitchen is on Selma near Sunset and Vine and the Arclight. I would just duck in there for quick lunches. You don't have to drive and you will be getting fresh, healthy, tasty food at a reasonable price. I ate 2 lunches and took away 2 dinners from there this trip. Especially good were the Chicken Parm Sandwich, Curried Chicken Salad with fennel and the ice cream sandwich of chocolate cookies and mint coffee nib ice cream.

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                                                                        1. re: chocolatetartguy

                                                                          Thanks, but I never get tired of eating or going out-of-my-way for food, and the purpose of this trip is as much to soak in the relinquished glamour of Old Hollywood as it is to revel and delight in the rare glow of vintage three-panel 70mm reels projected out of the famous Cinerama dome! What an experience! I'm so excited about this trip, and as much the diners and road food, strong cocktails and steaks, as the history and FUN, so I'm very happy to stay busy and run around, chasing kicks! ;)

                                                                          Farmer's Market Kitchen sounds great... but healthy eating doesn't factor into this itinerary of red meat, martinis, old fashioneds, hamburgers, chili dogs, pastrami on rye, etc! Hahah - I live in San Francisco, so I can frequent the weekend markets, food carts and kiosks just as often. I'm determined to fully indulge myself on this trip though and completely evade, brush off and ignore everything contempo and modern about LA! My gf is originall from Orange County, so I'm sure there'll be many more annual trips to enjoy and further explore the local food scene and culture out there... but not this time! :)

                                                                          PS - How'd your friend get sick from red sauce Italian?? It's just noodles and canned tomatoes. Did he/she order mussels or something? Sounds fishy to me! I'm not expecting any kind of innovative culinary tour... I'll probably order a baked canaloni or a Garfield sized mountain of lasagna au gratin! Ha!

                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                            In that case there is one more place you need to get to: http://www.yamashirorestaurant.com/ and its history is here: http://www.yamashirorestaurant.com/ab... (drinks with an appetizer or two only - don't eat here)

                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                              I second Yamashiro for sure (and not eating there) for your agenda...although I can't imagine the food is any worse than Miceli's, lol.

                                                                              1. re: Omniverous

                                                                                Ha, Miceli's is that bad?!

                                                                                I don't have to eat there... I can just walk up to Skooby's or something! It just looks like a blast of nostalgia and kitschy fun!

                                                                                For an old school red sauce, is it really no good at all?

                                                                                I've got a long list of options and am happy to go elsewhere for better food if it's awful. Any other suggestions for a rapidfire solo meal from my list of restaurants above?

                                                                                Thanks!

                                                                                And Yamashiro looks amazing!!! :D

                                                                                1. re: OliverB

                                                                                  I don't know - my database of useless restaurant knowledge is more along the lines of what's really good rather than "is it that bad?". Yelp is probably a more accurate source for gauging a place like that. Since you're a self-described San Francisco foodie, based on my one visit I'd compare Miceli's to the many nice-enough-looking places along Columbus Ave serving good atmosphere and mediocre food to indifferent German tourists.

                                                                                  With that said, I do have one friend who likes to go there..but I don't let her choose the venue when we eat together.

                                                                                  1. re: OliverB

                                                                                    I've eaten at Miceli's countless times over the past 40 years or so, and have never gotten sick. Quite often, when people think they've gotten food poisoning, they really just have a stomach bug completely unrelated to anything they've eaten but they don't know it, and simply assume it's from food they ate (because they subsequently got sick with said food in their bellies).

                                                                                    It's not great, but it is perfectly adequate in an old-school, red sauce Italian kind of way. Seriously, for a cup of minestrone soup and a plate of rigatoni with meat sauce, it's perfectly fine. It will not be the best meal you have on your trip, but it's certainly worth the experience. Forgot to mention in another response about need for a reservation (not needed) you can even sit at the bar if for some odd reason all of the tables are occupied.

                                                                                2. re: Servorg

                                                                                  Wow! That looks incredibly cool- Thank you!

                                                                                  How are the mai tais?? :)

                                                                                  1. re: OliverB

                                                                                    Don't think I've ever had one there? I drink Kamikaze's, "up" (until I go "down")

                                                                                3. re: OliverB

                                                                                  I mention Farmer's Kitchen not because of the health benefits (of which there are many) but because of its proximity to the Arclight. I generally prefer not to eat a big meal before seeing a film because it puts me to sleep. It does remind me of the kind of food I eat locally here in Berkeley.

                                                                                  My friend didn't elaborate, but he was very clear he would never go back there. He had enjoyed the Micelli's north? of Hollywood that you pass coming from Burbank airport.

                                                                                  If you want to go the hotdog route (always a good idea), Papaya KIng is on Wilcox just below Hollywood Blvd and closer to the Arclight. I like Skooby's just fine and was there a week ago Tuesday for a bacon wrapped dog.

                                                                                  Sorry, can't help you on your restaurants other than raving about Musso's. 101 Coffee Shop didn't make the cut in my planning and Langer's made it but I ran out of time.

                                                                                  It can cost me a lot money to be away from the action at the event I attend at Hollywood & HIghland, so my priority is immediate proximity, assuming that I am getting a good meal. This trip I never made it to Roscoe's, Zankou or Langer's. I suppose you could call Roscoe's new old Hollywood if you are thinking Pam Grier and Antonio Fargas.

                                                                                  You should enjoy Brothers Grimm. It's charming. 2001 sb awesome in Cinerama. While you're on HW Blvd, you might stop off at Larry Edmunds Books. It is just down the street from Musso and they have some good books on Old Hollywood landmarks. You might go take a look at Bunker Hill where Angel's Flight was. I'm told that the Bradbury Building is near Phillipes.

                                                                                  Have fun!

                                                                                  1. re: chocolatetartguy

                                                                                    Thanks so much!

                                                                                    Yes, I'm very excited about seeing 2001 (my all-time favorite film) in Cinerama at the Dome!

                                                                                    I'll be sure to add that bookstore to the list too!

                                                                              2. The differences between Cole's vs. Philippe's goes way beyond the sandwiches.

                                                                                Cole's revamp, while beautiful, is revisionist. While you may have the sense of stepping back in time, what you're really experiencing is a modern refurb. If you had seen Cole's in its most recent pre-revisionist state, with bleary-eyed local drunks hunched over the bar and steam table cafeteria food, you'd probably not be terribly interesting in experiencing what Cole's had become. It's all too easy now for newbies to walk through the door and think that it was always this beautiful, always this trendy, always this filled with kids in their mid-twenties wearing stylish, tiny hats and sideways mustaches tattooed on their fingers, absinthe cocktails flowing from moustachioed bartenders.

                                                                                Philippe's, on the other hand, is much as it has always been (although the "new" Philippe's has been in the same spot only for 61 years.) More importantly, it feeds a cross-section of Los Angeles- not only those in their mid-twenties wearing ironic couture. On any given day, you'll find families going to Dodger games. Homeless people there for the 50 cent coffee. Police officers. City bureaucrats. Old people reminiscing about their youth spent there. Tourists experiencing the place for the first time. Philippe's has something that Cole's lost- it truly represents a wide cross section. It represents the real Los Angeles while Cole's, by and large, represents a tiny fraction of one very specific LA subculture.

                                                                                Unfortunately, the food at Cole's is tastier, but I keep going back to Philippe's. It just feels better to me.

                                                                                Mr Taster

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                                                                                1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                  Agree 100%. Cole's is as real as Edison's - which is to say brand new in an old spot. Not worth it, if you'relooking for old. Old dive bar Ye Rustic Inn - not chic, but real, old, divey and in East Hollywood. If you're looking for deli, I'm not a fan of Nate n' Al's. I'd rather swing into the valley (over laurel canyon) and go to Art's. Or if you will drive drive drive, the best deli happens to be in a heavily jewish neighborhood - Brent's deli. If you have to stay in the Bev'y Hills area, consider Factor's deli over Nate n Al's. The clientele is fun at nate.. but Factor's is better.
                                                                                  Miceli's is awful. A place that's been around forever, is old hollywood ish but not up to present tastes and so static it's beyond retro- the Palm in west hollywood. Also, la Scala in Beverly hills. it's real and still there
                                                                                  http://www.lascalabeverlyhills.com/ab...
                                                                                  there was an italian place on westwood blvd htat was huge with the rat pack and local mob... cannot remember the name... maybe somebody else remembers.
                                                                                  if you go to chez jay,just get the sand dabs. seriously.
                                                                                  yamashiro is good for appetizers (judiciously chosen). du-par's is a must for one late night pie and coffee, or burger or whatever. third and fairfax. Silver spoon is still quite old, not chic, decent diner oops http://westhollywood.patch.com/articl...
                                                                                  Also, been around forever... careful, Tommy's the original at Rampart and Beverly.
                                                                                  http://www.originaltommys.com/

                                                                                  (irv's burgers on santa monica blvd near sweetzer in west hollywood is another of the few remaining burger stands, great white hut in glendale as well...
                                                                                  )similar in fake-itude to cole's but at least hte room looks the same - Far East cafe on 1st st in Little Tokyo. no idea if it's open, someone else ---HELP? and steve boardner's in hollywood has been around forever, but now with the rise of the club scene in hollywood, it's been renovated a bit, the bar is the same, but much of the space is used by clubs so i'd call first. .. info - i'd stick my head into far east cafe for a look, i think online they're chop suey lounge, so just a look... and for boardner info...
                                                                                  http://www.boardners.com/main.php
                                                                                  (the room has been made cute... but the bar itself is ok. andworth a stop. but call...)

                                                                                  1. re: Jerome

                                                                                    Just having had breakfast a couple of times and then dinner at Factor's (corned beef hash and eggs for breakfast both times and pastrami on rye for dinner) all within the space of a week, I have to disagree with the food, (at least the pastrami) at Factor's being better than Nate 'n Al's. I'd give the pastrami at Nate 'n Al's a B- and Factor's a C- for being way too fatty in a bad way and tasteless (never a good way to be tasteless when it comes to pastrami).

                                                                                    1. re: Servorg

                                                                                      agree on pastrami. i usually get other things at every deli except langers.

                                                                                      1. re: Jerome

                                                                                        Apart from the pastrami at Langer's, are there any "must tries" from Canter's, Nate-Al, etc?

                                                                                        Brent's looks and sounds fantastic, but too far out of the way for this trip...

                                                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                                                          If I was hitting up Langer's AND either Canter's or Nate 'n Al's I would be almost certain to try the pastrami at both places, just to give a frame of reference for the wonderful rye and pastrami at Langer's. If you have a sweet tooth then maybe get a black and white cookie at Canter's. I also think I'd chose to go to Canter's over Nate 'n Al's...not because of the food but more because of the history of Canter's and what it has meant to Los Angeles.

                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                            art's has excellent corned beef and decent soups. also the tongue. Greenblatt's has good soups. krepach is outstanding. at cant'er's the better stuff tends to be the desserts. nate n al's smoked fish? i guess.

                                                                                            1. re: Jerome

                                                                                              Thanks!

                                                                                              Should I try Greenblatt's instead of Nate n Al then, or just stop in for kreplach soup one afternoon? I still want to go to Canter's just for the history... maybe Greenblatt's for lunch and Canter's for dessert?

                                                                                              1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                I find Greenblatt's an awfully odd place. I doesn't have the feel of a Jewish deli-- it's like they're trying to be a wine bistro of some sort, and I remember my pastrami sandwich (this is from many years ago) being extremely sub par.

                                                                                                Mr Taster

                                                                                                1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                  it's more of a wine bar these days. I'd get the soup to go maybe. or just have it there, not make a full meal. if you're around, or if you go to bar marmont and want some soup before 2am. not a destiniation. go to nate n al's and enjoy the sturgeon.

                                                                                              2. re: Jerome

                                                                                                No disrespect to the food, but, the best thing about Art's is the motto, "Every Sandwich is a Work of Art."

                                                                                                1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                  Why do I get the feeling that they need to slightly rewrite that saying to read "Every Sandwich is a Work of Arturo." to be completely accurate? ;-D>

                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                    i'm confused by this.
                                                                                                    is Art's Deli now serving chilean cuisine (juventus footballer arturo vidal)? italian (composer/conductor arturo toscanini)? american food? (footballer arturo freeman)? italian/canadian cuisine (boxer arturo gatti)? brazilian food (footballer Arthuro Henrique Bernhardt)? cuban specialties (trumpeter arturo sandoval)?
                                                                                                    has it become a hangout for people interested in classic american novels (john fante's arturo bandini series)?

                                                                                                    1. re: linus

                                                                                                      *Sigh* (to both of you).

                                                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                                        2. re: Jerome

                                                                                          Matteo's is, I believe the jernt you speak of on Westwood Blvd. It is nothing special anymore - and I am not sure it ever was.

                                                                                          1. re: Jerome

                                                                                            Matteo's on Westwood Blvd was a Sinatra hang out.

                                                                                            http://www.matteosristorante.com/our_...

                                                                                          2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                            But The Varnish (lounge) in the back of Cole's is cool.

                                                                                            1. re: mc michael

                                                                                              and the drinks out front in cole's are only a small step down. and i don't find the surroundings and clientele at ye olde rustic inn any more "real" than at cole's. sheesh.

                                                                                              1. re: linus

                                                                                                cole's is a fabricated reconstruction of an historical period. it's nice, but it's not what it was. rustic inn hasn't been renovated so far as I know. it's dingy. at least it was last time i was there. I'm sure the clientele is just as deligthful in both places. I'm just talking about renovation. the wiltern wasn't restored in the 80's - it was renovated and was a product of the tastes (albeit historicist) of those times. cole's is the same. I'm just saying that it's not an old hollywood holdover.
                                                                                                I'm sure everyone in both places is screamingly charming. the drinks are great at the gorbals and the edison. if the op wants to go to the gorbals - he'll see an ancient "hollywood" building, the alexandria hotel downtown, but the menu, setting and clientele is much more modern. and more chic than it's been in yeras.

                                                                                                1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                  well, i'm not going to argue matters of taste. you've turned me onto too many good restaurants.
                                                                                                  i know nothing about how they went about making cole's what it is today. i was in there before the revamp, and after. the bones look pretty much the same to me. maybe i'm remembering wrong.
                                                                                                  i also don't want to enter into a david hume-esque discussion about how many planks you replace on a boat before it's no longer the original boat.
                                                                                                  EDIT:
                                                                                                  (i found this on the internet. it is just information, isn't meant to prove or disprove anything)
                                                                                                  from the l.a. times:

                                                                                                  "Moses worked closely with the Los Angeles Conservancy to ensure he was taking Cole's back in time rather than into a slick future. He hired a consultant to identify which features of the 1908 bar and French dip restaurant were original and which had been tacked on. Everything original -- tile floor, wallpaper and light fixtures above the booths -- Moses restored or faithfully reproduced."

                                                                                                  1. re: linus

                                                                                                    Remember, I did say Cole's was beautiful, and if this was a debate over planks and beams I would have no argument. What's missing from Cole's (and many of the other trendy retro revamps, as Jerome alluded to) is greater than the sum of their parts.

                                                                                                    Mr Taster

                                                                                                    1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                      sorry, i don't understand phrases like "trendy retro revamps" and "what's missing is greater than the sum of their parts."
                                                                                                      if you're saying bukowski doesn't drink there anymore, well, o.k. on the other hand, i never saw him in the three day line for a sandwich at phillipe's, either.

                                                                                                      1. re: linus

                                                                                                        Haha. Never saw Bukowski at Barfly either--just his photo.

                                                                                                        1. re: linus

                                                                                                          > sorry, i don't understand phrases like "trendy retro revamps" and "what's missing is greater than the sum of their parts."

                                                                                                          You're smart. I have faith that you'll figure it out.

                                                                                                          Mr Taster

                                                                                                          1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                            only my ass is smart.

                                                                                                          2. re: linus

                                                                                                            ever split a trifecta w/ him at h'wood park?

                                                                                                        2. re: linus

                                                                                                          FWIW, Mr. Moses has been responsible for upgrading the bar scene downtown (and elsewhere). He has often taken older places or ignored spots and had a designer (Ronnie Kline) painstakingly redo them with taste that reflects the vibe he is hoping to create. This includes 3 Clubs, Broadway Bar, Golden Gopher, 7 Grand and Cole's.
                                                                                                          Somehow or other he was not involved in The Edison which is another spot worth exploring.

                                                                                                          1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                            yes these are wonderful bars. but the whole discussion is off topic because the OP was looking for places that were around in the 20's - 60's, are still around , and I believe are somehow in a bit of a time warp - or are still somehow in teh same tradition as they've been. Hurray for Mr Moses and his work. But these are new places. And Cole's is chic, sanitized, and perhaps a lovely evening. Pete's at Main and 4th (?) - perfectly nice. I hope that someone refurbishes the Palm Court at the Alexandria and makes it a place I'd like to see.
                                                                                                            Philippe's is a working class cafeteria and has been pretty much since the beginning. Tommy Burger has all kinds of people there, just as you'll find at Disneyland. Beauty Bar, not so much. Broadway Bar, etc.
                                                                                                            The Edison is brand new, (well a few years old) retro in concept yet very modern. The Smokehouse in Burbank is retro without self-awareness. It just hasn't really been updated in decades. THis is the difference.
                                                                                                            I have no idea if this is nostalgie de la boue, a wanna-be noir relic tour, or what.
                                                                                                            You can listen to the radio reports on the King Eddy Bar at the King Edward hotel. Here's a link from the AP
                                                                                                            http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/08/...
                                                                                                            And here's the offramp piece
                                                                                                            http://www.scpr.org/programs/offramp/...
                                                                                                            Last - there are lovely retro feeling places downtown that are spanking brand new and not even in places that served food...
                                                                                                            Pete's Cafe at 4th and main -
                                                                                                            http://www.petescafe.com/gallery/gall...
                                                                                                            and Church and State - both are MARVELOUS. and are not at all what the OP is asking for. ANd i'll put the revamp of Cole's in that class, although it was a food serving place and they still serve french dips. but varnish is marvelous and new and not at all what the OP was asking for.
                                                                                                            Church and State website...photos
                                                                                                            http://www.churchandstatebistro.com/p...

                                                                                                            1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                              apologies to linus.
                                                                                                              OP is interested in the revamped Writers Room in a musso and frank former space.
                                                                                                              cole's is definitely in the mix.

                                                                                                              1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                apology unnecessary but accepted. i also, very respectfully, disagree with your description of cole's as "sleek and sanitized."
                                                                                                                i get a historic vibe from cole's, and you do not. and that's o.k.

                                                                                                                1. re: linus

                                                                                                                  Ditto on the Cole's vibe.

                                                                                                              2. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                The Smokehouse has great cheese bread. Beyond that, I agree, "It just hasn't really been updated in decades. THis is the difference." Some call that historic. Some call it tired. Take your choice.

                                                                                                    2. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                      i don't know what beef you have with young people in hats, but the crowd at phillipe's is the same one you see in lines at disneyland. if the op finds that fascinating, well, go for it.
                                                                                                      the crowd at cole's looks like...i don't know, people out looking for a drink. the room is much better looking (and looks like a restoration, not a movie set) and the drinks are very, very good.

                                                                                                      that said, i cannot vouch for the food at cole's since the "revamp," because i've never tried it.

                                                                                                      1. re: linus

                                                                                                        >> but the crowd at phillipe's is the same one you see in lines at disneyland.

                                                                                                        Since Philippe came about nearly half a century before Disneyland ever existed, how would you have referred to the crowd in, say, 1923?

                                                                                                        Mr Taster

                                                                                                        1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                          i wasn't alive in 1923, so i wouldn't know.

                                                                                                    3. Canter's is T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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                                                                                                      1. re: caldad02

                                                                                                        Really?? Why? How?

                                                                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                          I don't think Canter's is terrible.

                                                                                                          I also don't think it's great. The pastrami does not compare with Langer's. Item for item, it's not nearly as good as Brent's. I would say that, depending on what one orders, it's average as far as deli's go. I think it's better than both Fromin's and Izzy's in Santa Monica -- Izzy's actually might be terrible. It's better than the Jerry's chain. It's sort of average.

                                                                                                          I feel that it's reputation is enhanced by its location and its hours. Because it's close to Hollywood and open 24 hours, generations of Los Angelenos have found themselves in Canter's waiting on line for a table in the middle of the night. You might see a famous stand up comic or Slash sitting next to older couples in their Sunday best.

                                                                                                          I think their chicken soup is fine. Not great, but fine. I think their lox, eggs and onions make a great 2 am snack. I don't think their deli sandwiches break any ground.

                                                                                                          I'd sum it up like this: If Canter's was in Reseda or Torrance or Monterey Park, no one from out of town would go out of their way to eat there. But because it's in Hollywood, it's become famous.

                                                                                                          My personal advice would be to eat in Canter's in the middle of the night. It's somehow more fun. Like I said, I get a bowl of soup or breakfast and a hamentaschen for dessert.

                                                                                                      2. I know this is probably the least of your worries, but you need more time at the airport if you want to have drinks at Encounter. You really need to be arriving at your terminal an hour before the flight, because the security lines are frequently long and slow.

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                                                                                                        1. re: mrs. darcy

                                                                                                          Thanks, I figured that much.

                                                                                                        2. Is there a website for THE WRITERS ROOM?

                                                                                                          How do I go about making reservations and securing a password; I can't find anything online...

                                                                                                          Also what are people's thoughts on the current scene and crowds at Descarga? Would I do better at WR on a Saturday night in terms of crowds, atmosphere, DRINKS, music, etc? It looks amazing! Would anyone wager it comparable to Bourbon & Branch in SF?

                                                                                                          I'm thinking about switching our Saturday night plans to WR after Musso and Frank.

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                                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                            "Is there a website for THE WRITERS ROOM?"

                                                                                                            This may not be correct...so just know that going in.

                                                                                                            http://agency6021.com/6021/

                                                                                                            Okay, after more checking I see this isn't the same place...so forget my link. It looks like there isn't a website for the Writers Room. Google Daniel Nelson (the guy who started up the Writers Room and see if you can't find a way in through his Tumblr site somehow or another?).

                                                                                                            1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                              http://www.shakeandstrainblog.com/?p=... has info...
                                                                                                              http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/...
                                                                                                              both from a year ago. no phone number at these sites.
                                                                                                              http://www.purewow.com/entry_detail/l...
                                                                                                              has the phone number. it's 323-491-4148

                                                                                                              if you want the writers room - then definitely check out cole's. i misunderstood what you were looking for.

                                                                                                            2. Also does anyone have an answer to my question re. late entry and stage show times at the Cicada Club on Sunday nights?

                                                                                                              I still would really like to reserve tickets but am worried about showing up 2.5 hrs late. Can anyone please tell me if there will still be live music and dancing after 11pm?

                                                                                                              Thanks!

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                                                                                                              1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                I would contact them directly for definitive answers to your questions:

                                                                                                                Tel: (213) 488-9488
                                                                                                                Fax: (213) 488-9546
                                                                                                                Events Phone: (213) 488-9951
                                                                                                                Email: Cicadaevents@aol.com

                                                                                                              2. Oliver -- Would you mind telling us how you came up with that long list of restaurants in your original post? Places like Tom Bergin and Dear John don't get much play on CH nor do some of the others. I'm just curious how you came up with the list (I'm not talking about the places you are going, I'm talking about the lost list of places that closes your post.)

                                                                                                                P.S. - I have a Snug Harbor t-shirt. I like that place.

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                                                                                                                1. re: PaulF

                                                                                                                  Sure! I have a good friend who lives in the East Bay but grew up around San Diego and has made annual trips to Los Angeles his whole life. His driving passion is old historic bars and restaurants; in fact, he even offered suggestions for Peter Moruzzi's upcoming book. I also browsed old threads in the Chowhound forums and did my research, along with basic searches on yelp, roadfood, and Google. :)

                                                                                                                2. I've read through most of the posts here but can't seem to find if Hank's has been mentioned? Located at 840 S. Grand, my husband took me there in our very early days when he worked at seventh & Fig, and I recall it being quite ancient inside..... Quite a trip. Have they revamped or something? They come up on Citysearch, so I'm guessing they are still open?? Anyone?

                                                                                                                  http://losangeles.citysearch.com/prof...

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                                                                                                                  1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                    Anyone?? McFly?? Did I seriously stump you guys?? Nothing but crickets....

                                                                                                                    Well, OliverB, you must check out Hank's. It's a serious dive, located in the Stillwell Hotel, which dates back to 1912. Address is 840 S. Grand Ave, downtown. You're welcome.

                                                                                                                    1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                      Thanks, I'll be sure to check it out if I've got the time!

                                                                                                                  2. I'm glad I'm not in your shoes trying to plan this excursion. Sounds exhausting; both the planning and the execution.
                                                                                                                    ....But just to add in my two cents, The Smoke House in Taluca Lake is a pretty cool throwback to boozier and redder, more meaty times. I like to just go there and pinch myself and remember my blazer, knee britches and Davy Crocketts while the grown ups got plowed.

                                                                                                                    1. Just called the Writer's Room and left a message for reservations/password... apparently there's a $250 (starting!) minimum?? Is this normal in LA? Wow, glad we'll be 4 people... I hope the cocktails are worth those prices and the place is as cool as it looks!

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                                                                                                                      1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                        no. it sounds like a bottle service clip joint. there's similar ones at the viceroy in santa monica and at hte avalon hotel in b hills i think. unless i left there wearing gold leaf all over, i'd feel ripped off.
                                                                                                                        but that's me.

                                                                                                                        1. re: Omniverous

                                                                                                                          Thanks so much, appreciate that!

                                                                                                                          This place seemed so hyped up from online editorials that I assumed it was impossible to get in w/o reservation or password. I don't usually have trouble getting into "exclusive" places though as I generally look and dress the part, which helps I suppose. I was more concerned witht he crowds if $250 was the minimum (for return gusts no less!) - not the atmosphere we're looking for! But if there's a walk-in, then we'll check it out! If not, we'll try Descarga as a back-up.

                                                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                            And very lastly, its not on any of my to-do lists and totally un-Chowhound, but given all that you seek, you and your party might also enjoy the Magic Castle,which is down Franklin from your hotel and a fun place to visit once, in its own cheesy, expensive way. Their website has all sorts of info you can digest, but someone told me semi-recently that you can skip the member/guest requirement by calling them directly and reserving a table for dinner. If it looks fun to you, give them a call and scope it out.

                                                                                                                            1. re: Omniverous

                                                                                                                              Thanks, I'll look into it!

                                                                                                                              1. re: Omniverous

                                                                                                                                you dont want to do dinner. the food sucks. but the show and drinks can be fun. better for brunch. harder to f_ck up. the magic is great and hard to mess up a well ordered drink.

                                                                                                                                1. re: Thor123

                                                                                                                                  if you don't do dinner and you're not a member or don't know a member, you don't get admission.
                                                                                                                                  meaning, non-members must have dinner if they're not signed by a member.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                                    I don't think we'll make it to the Magic Castle on this particular trip anyway. Looks like kitschy fun though; perhaps the next time we blow into town...

                                                                                                                            2. The Cicada Club is great. We had a bad experience with service as the server ignored us for long periods and didn't even know if our food had been brought out. The food, for me, did not live up to the high prices. My sea bass was overcooked and the vegetables undercooked. I had a chat with the owner of the restaurant and we're going to give the place another shot on the 21st. Unfortunately, the Original poster won't be in town to hear Dean Mora and the Johnny Holiday program sing. These guys are fantastic.

                                                                                                                              If you can fit it in your schedule, definitely go to the Cicada Club. The venue is art deco and the drinks are really good. Just take note that there is a dress code. No jeans or sneakers. Guys have to wear a coat and tie.

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                                                                                                                              1. re: granadafan

                                                                                                                                I called Cicada to inquire and was told the band (Dean Mora) wraps up by 11pm. We're going to try to stop in just before 10:30 for cocktails and hopefully catch the tail end of it. It sounds great and from what I've seen in pictures, the place looks amazing!

                                                                                                                                1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                  Longer on looks than quality I'm afraid.

                                                                                                                                  1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                    ^ Is that for drinks or just the food?

                                                                                                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                      Food. Drinks, you should be fine.

                                                                                                                                      1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                        Agreed with the food. Entrees are around $30-$40 and NOT worth that price. The appetizers were ok, but nothing worthwhile that you really have to have. If you can, try to watch more of the Dean Mora Band and Johnny Holiday. They're fantastic.

                                                                                                                                        1. re: granadafan

                                                                                                                                          Thanks, I feel less bad about missing out on dinner then. The interior just looks so incredibly cool and the dinner club and live stage show make it seem like the kinda place you'd expect to find George Raft dining at his 'usual table'. It really sounds like something out of a golden age Hollywood noir. I really hope we'll have time to catch the last 45 mins. or so of Dean Mora and his band on stage.

                                                                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                            It used to house a high end men's clothier. I believe they still have vintage drawers in which shirts were stored. Ask a server.

                                                                                                                                            1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                              ki thad been a very elegant men's clothing store as said here. In the 70's it became a restaurant REX, serving wonderful italian food ina setting reministcent of the REX ocean liner, italian and deco.
                                                                                                                                              It was great to go just for drinks and take in teh room. Then, it went belly up about ten years later or so, and then Cicada moved in.
                                                                                                                                              So it's beautiful, feels old and is about 35 years old.

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                                                Rex was Mauro Vincenti's restaurant and closed shortly after he died and Cicada moved in from WeHo. His wife, Maureen, subsequently opened the excellent Vincenti in Brentwood with Gino Angelini as her chef. Cicada was quite good when it first opened, albeit not a match for Rex.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                                                  No sure it went belly up so much as the owner, Mauro Vincenti, did.

                                                                                                                                                  http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-1...

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Ciao Bob

                                                                                                                                                    I have memories of some great ravioli.

                                                                                                                                  2. new bar in old style has opened around the corner from the arclight. check out sassafras - nice writeup in la times today.

                                                                                                                                    1. Oliver, I went back to the Cicada Club/Restaurant last week. We had a much different experience than our last time which was pretty bad. The show was fantastic but the service was just terrible: slow service, clueless waiter, overcooked food, ignored by waiters and others. This time I heard the owner came back after being out of the country and laid into his staff after receiving bad feedback.

                                                                                                                                      This time we had great service, attentive waiters, advice on the menu and drinks. The food was really good. We started with the Camembert Cheese wrapped in filo dough and the crab asparagus salad. Both were delicious. I had the grilled seafood and my girlfriend had the lamb chops. The scallops were perfectly cooked with a nice sear yet melted in my mouth. The tiger prawn was huge and tasty. The salmon was a bit overcooked however and dry. Her lamb chops were well seasoned and had a good char and was rare (perfect!). The cheesecake was heavy and fluffy topped with fresh berries.

                                                                                                                                      The drinks were strong and went very well with the ambience of the restaurant. The service was much much better and what one would come to expect from a high priced restaurant. The singers and dancers were fantastic.

                                                                                                                                      I don't know your budget, but the Cicada isn't cheap. If you don't get dinner, you have to either stand or go upstairs and try to grab an open table. It's certainly a much more enjoyable experience being able to sit and watch the show. Don't miss this place.

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                                                                                                                                      1. re: granadafan

                                                                                                                                        Very late to the thread. What a fun itinerary. I'm very surprised that Taix French Restaurant isn't on the list. Classic L.A. ambience, central location, and would break up your steakhouse-centric run nicely. Would be a nice substitute for Cicada, and a little less expensive.

                                                                                                                                      2. Well, the fest is on... updates?
                                                                                                                                        reviews?

                                                                                                                                        1. and btw - went to this is cinerama... wondering about your schedule and running times. THis Is Cinerama evening didn't end until almost midnight.

                                                                                                                                          1. OK OliverB - it's payback time. Lots of folks helped and we (yes I dare speak for us) wanna know - WHAT HAPPENED ? WHERE'D YOU GO? WHAT'D YOU HAVE?

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                                                                                                                                            1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                                              While I haven't looked at all of Oliver B's posts I didn't see any reports back on any of them (even the ones he "promised" to report back on). So, the likelihood of hearing back on this one is probably not very high...

                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                too bad. lots of people helped and would be nice and fun to read about the shows and his (and ladyfriend's) impressions.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                                                  Well, that's showbiz!

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                                    Aha...So that's why it's no biz!

                                                                                                                                              2. re: Jerome

                                                                                                                                                To be fair to the guy, his trip looks like it only ended this past Thursday. He still may be travelling and recovering. Less than 48 hours from end of his trip and asking for a detailed report on all those places is unrealistic IMO.

                                                                                                                                                Especially if it's any kind of a quality report instead of a bunch of one word assesments.

                                                                                                                                                1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                                  Again, just using past performance as a predictor of future returns, even those situations that called for reporting back on a single restaurant visit went "unrequited" by the OP. So, in the case where, as you note, this trip encompasses almost an exponentially larger number of eateries, my confidence in ever seeing any sort of report is "slim to none." I'll be pleasantly surprised if my analysis is proved wrong.

                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                    *shrug* maybe I just tend to default to giving people benefit of the doubt and not immediately assigning a negative value.

                                                                                                                                                    I get good travel tips from this board and will put up a detailed travel report as thanks. But sometimes a good month or so will fly by before I can post it.

                                                                                                                                                    I just think harassing a guy and already assuming he's never going to put up any kind of report is pretty unwarranted when his agenda calls out end of trip on Thursday and people are complaining about not seeing something on Saturday. What if Friday was a travel day and Saturday for life maintenance after being on the road for so long?

                                                                                                                                                    I'd rather he take his time to post than a quick "everything was great, thanks!" and never hear any details. Certainly guilting someone into a report isn't going to get the best quality info.

                                                                                                                                                    1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                                      I'm just noting that he promised on another thread from July of this year in which he was the OP to report back and never did. In another one in which he was OP (but no written promise of reporting back on that one) also from July of this year, no report. YMMV

                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                        If that's the case, then I would have been more aggressive in the beginning about pointing that out and not being as forthcoming with replies and information.

                                                                                                                                                        In this case the barn door has been shut long after the horses have fled. We're just reinforcing this fly by with no thanks behavior is acceptable.

                                                                                                                                                        It is sad that this happens often enough that the first thing I do when I see a request like this is to take a quick look at a poster's history. If all I see is a bunch of requests in all the boards and very little to no payback, then I just ignore them and move on. Been burned enough giving my time to people who don't contribute that I'd rather save my energy for the ones that do.

                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Jase

                                                                                                                                                          Who knows, maybe the trip got delayed or cancelled.

                                                                                                                                                          1. re: mc michael

                                                                                                                                                            Sorry everyone!!!!

                                                                                                                                                            Almost a year later and I didn't realize that there were any more replies to this thread or that anyone was interested in the outcome - my sincerest apologies! I hope it's not completely absurd to offer an update almost 10 months later...

                                                                                                                                                            We ended up driving directly to (I think it was) Nick's Cafe ater landing at LAX (we could never have made Cole's in time due to our flight), only to realize we had gone to a completely different place then intended and so we went back to our motel and had a late lunch at the 101 Coffee Shop. I loved the ambiance but can't say that I really appreciated the fancied up/gourmet diner food. The lunch was acceptable but worthwhile for the great and mostly original interior and the convenience of being in the basement of our motel.

                                                                                                                                                            I'll skip most of the daytime activities, only to say that we pretty much nailed almost everything that we had listed on the original itinerary.

                                                                                                                                                            We went to the opening screening of HTWWW and it ended so late that by the time we rushed over to Musso & Frank's, we just narrowly missed the last seating and the staff were shutting down for the night... so we drove to Pacific Dining Car instead for mediocre steak and excellent pancakes and old fashioneds at 1am! :)

                                                                                                                                                            The next day we drove out to Pann's for lunch as planned... WOW!!! Straight out of The Jetsons! I'm in love with this place. I had a killer patty melt and a dynamite vanilla malted shake. One of my favorite places in all of LA!

                                                                                                                                                            That evening we toured the Stahl House which was exceptional and then had the family dinner at Campanille, which I have to admit, was disappointing. I didn't find the atmosphere to very appealing. Any resemblance to Chaplin's old studio or offices had been completely scrapped with the last interior remodel and it felt very modern and contemporary to me, not in a good way. There was nothing distinctive about it, no personality. The music was too loud and the crowd was too trendy. It gave me the impression of a restaurant that was trying quite hard but was not quite refined - inside and outside of the kitchen. The food was a total miss as well, at least for me. From recollection (it's been a while!) I had some sort of octopus or squid pasta in ink with thin stringy tentacles in place of noodles and it was not very good at all. I tasted my wife's dish as well, I don't remember what it was, but nothing was cooked properly nor was anything particularly interesting or flavorfull. I had a very dull salas to start too. I really can't remember anything else about the meal itself, which is probably just as well. Luckily, the wife's family was less discerning and seemed to really enjoy it, but I wouldn't return. While I greatly appreciate all of the help and suggestions, I'd hesitate to consider it alongside any of the other restaurants listed above. In fact, modern, is the word that I'd use to describe the feel of the place. Everything about it seemed generic and rather bland. It was the only strike against our average though, so lesson learned and no big deal!

                                                                                                                                                            We caught the Cinerama travelogue afterward and then had a quick nightcap at Formosa Lounge, which was great as always!

                                                                                                                                                            The next morning we woke up and got dressed up for the Sunday jazz brunch at The Polo Lounge. What a spectacular afternoon in all respects! I can't really comment on the food as it was not memorable (and overpriced - but we knew that!) but I am convinced that there is no more beautiful setting than that lush courtyard on a sunny Sunday afternoon. I had more than a few ramos gin fizz and dug the hot bop combo for several hours in the sunshine. We stopped into the Cabana Cafe afterward but I didn't save room for the orange freeze!

                                                                                                                                                            We split back to the motel and joined the Felix in Hollywood Tour late as we needed a rest... then back to the pad for a quick wardrobe change and off to Taylor's aka heaven on earth! I was sad to see the front rock wall had been dismantled only a couple of weeks earlier (I lodged my complaints with the maitre d - apparently the owner came upon some money or inheretance recently and decided to mess with things!) and there were some minor renovations going on inside, thankfully just the bathrooms though! The red leather banquettes, dark wood panelling, classic oil paintings and dim lighting... the way every restaurant should be!!! :)

                                                                                                                                                            We rushed to the Cinerama Dome afterwards and caught about 25% of This Is... before hightailing it to the Cicada just in time to catch the last 40 minutes or so of Dean Mora's orchestra; what a wonderfully special place!!

                                                                                                                                                            We skipped the 2am deli run and dragged ourselves back to the motel for some desperately needed zzzz's.

                                                                                                                                                            The next morning I convinced my little lady to catch a cab to the airport while I slept in (score!!) and then I skipped most of the afternoon plans to loaf around, finally heading out to Canter's for a late solo lunch. I skipped the first feature that night (South Seas Adventure) and attempted to eat at Miceli's and make it back in time for the next screening (Wonderful World of Brothers Grimm) but quickly realized that wasn't happening so I forgoed (is that proper English??) dinner that evening and grabbed some latenight Skooby dogs while dodging the half-naked transexual homeless prostitutes strewn out along the sidewalk that tried to accost me along the way. No latenight cocktails this evening - back to the motel for sleep!

                                                                                                                                                            The itinerary kind of falls apart from here on out... I guess that could be a metaphor for most aspect of my life when the wife is gone, haha. I skipped Nate n Al's and went straight to Langer's instead for the divine religious experience that is the no. 19. Spent a couple of hours along Rodeo, stopped into Brooks Brothers, etc. then spent a couple of hours at The Tiki-Ti drinking and chatting with some older fella and his girlfriend who just happened to be a member of Thee Midnighters. I was regaled with stories of the East LA music scene as I sunk into countless tropical highballs amidst the confines of the gods of the south pacific! Then back to the motel for a swim and tan before returning to the Arclight yet again to see 2001, the way it was intended! A perfect afternoon and my favorite experience of the entire festival.

                                                                                                                                                            The next morning I drove out to The Apple Pan for a great steakburger and slice of pie -- I realize I've said this a lot but this place is my favorite!! It's an asbolute timewarp without pretense; nothing about this place is self-conscious at all! It's just authentic and genuine, as if I had stepped back into 1946! I was in heaven. I don't remember how I spent the afternoon but I skipped Philippe's on this evening and went to Musso and Frank instead, since we had missed our reservations the first night of the trip. It exceeded all expectations! I meant to order the ground beef steak but ordered the ham steak instead without paying attention (thinking this was abbreviation for hamburger steak) and was a bit bummed out when the plate came out. I can't fauly anyone but myself. I doubt there's any need for me to comment on the food. The creamed spinach was one of the best I've had. The entree was as described I guess, grilled ham. I ate it. I'm sure it's fine for those who enjoy that sort of thing. I really had my heart set on the ground beef steak though. A couple of oversized martini goblets fixed all my problems though and before long, I was back at the Arclight feeling pretty blotto and watching Mad Mad Mad Mad World in 75mm - all was right in the world.

                                                                                                                                                            I completely forget where I ate breakfast on the final day; perhaps a return to Canter's? I really wanted to try and make it out to Bob's Big Boy Broiler but I had to return the rental car by 6:30pm to catch an 8:30pm flight back to San Francisco and I wanted to salvage the day. I drove up to the Griffith Observatory early afternoon and spent a couple of hours walking around, then fell asleep in the Planetarium before driving straight to LAX.

                                                                                                                                                            I ended up missing both the french-dip places along with Micelli's, but overall, it was an action-packed gluttunous and indulgent trip full of great food and mixed drink and plenty of old Hollywood glamour!

                                                                                                                                                            Thanks to everyone who helped me out with recommendations, tips, advice and feedback in this thread. I'm so sorry that it took me almost a full year to respond. I really did appreciate every last post though and you were all a huge help!

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                              First of all; thank you for coming back and letting us know how thing worked out. Sorry for doubting that you would. There is no such thing as coming back too late to let the L.A. CH community what you ate and how you liked it. We live for reports like this one. It sounds like you had a wonderful trip, all the way around (even with a few hiccups here and there).

                                                                                                                                                              Great to read that Pann's was such a big hit. We love it and go at least once a month. I usually have the patty melt (can you believe that there are actually a few hounds who DON'T think this is the best patty melt ever? The nerve! - j/k).

                                                                                                                                                              I'm sure others will be chiming in when they wake up and catch site of your post.

                                                                                                                                                              Finally, congratulations on your marriage - to both of you. We are coming up on our 27th anniversary shortly and it's been a wonderful (long, strange) trip so far...

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                Thank you again and congrats on your upcoming 27th!

                                                                                                                                                                It was one of the most enjoyable trips we've taken together! For anyone interested, you can check out photos (only a few food/drink related) on my flickr stream here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/10061809...

                                                                                                                                                                We ended up skipping most of the breakfast places because it was just too much food! We also passed on the speakeasies because after speaking with friends, they didn't seem to be our speed... Descarga and The Writer's Room both seem like pretentious overpriced scene hangouts with expensive bottle service, mediocre drinks, bad music and sounded really overhyped. I scratched them off the list.

                                                                                                                                                                I really want to get back to try Cole's, Phillipe, Johnny's Broiler, etc. We'll be down in LA next week with my family from out of town, and will spare them these old restaurants for the most part, although I've made reservations out first night at Dan Tana's. My friend who runs a great mid century dining blog (Le Continental) and also consulted on Peter Moruzzi's dining book, was critical of the interior decor saying that it looked a bit cheap and '80s, was too bright and he didn't like the string lights hanging from the ceiling. Does anyone else agree? I was considering taking them to Miceli's instead, but I don't think they'd appreciate it and figured this would be a more enjoyable meal. I'm also taking them back to The Beverly Hills Polo Lounge for the Sunday jazz brunch again. And I might sneak off one night to the HMS Bounty for a cocktail in Jack Webb's booth!

                                                                                                                                                                We'll also be back over Thanksgiving weekend and I would like to try to get to Smoke House, Clearman's North Woods Inn (the one in Covina with the classic nude oil paintings - apparently they stuck a bunch of flatscreen TVs all around the bar of the San Gabriel location!) and Tam O'Shanter.

                                                                                                                                                                Btw, does anyone know when CLIFTON'S is reopening??

                                                                                                                                                                The renovations were supposed to be completed by this fall but I've still heard no word on it's progress for over a year and I'm getting worried. Does anyone have any updates or expectations for when it should reopen to the public? How does the exterior of the building look? I was really hoping to be able to take my sisters for lunch on this upcoming trip...

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                  I wonder if you've ever been to the original Pacific Dining Car http://www.pacificdiningcar.com/ on 6th Street? If not it seems like a natural, given your love of "Old Hollywood" and classic places in general.

                                                                                                                                                                  One other question. What Nick's did you end up driving to? Was it the Nick's Coffee Shop on Pico near La Cienega by any chance? I take it you were aiming for the one just the other side of downtown N of Union Station?

                                                                                                                                                                  Clifton's reopening is supposedly the end of this year, but I'll believe it when I see it.

                                                                                                                                                                  1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                    Yes, we went to the original PDC on 6th and got a tour of all the train cars by our waiter, who my wife befriended - we sat in the 1920's original. See the photo attached!

                                                                                                                                                                    As for Nick's... we were aiming for the one on West Pico Blvd I believe, but Google Maps led us astray to some very boring and indistinguished looking greasy spoon near Chinatown, if memory serves. I really don't remember, but as soon as we pulled into the lot and saw the building, we turned right around and headed for the 101 at the Best Western!

                                                                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                      You should have stuck with Nick's Cafe...truly old school diner food and would have not disappointed as 101 did. These days, it's the place to go for people living in the surrounding artists lofts.

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                                                        Don't get me wrong... I loved 101 Cafe. The interior is almost entirely original and it looks fantastic! I just didn't really appreciate the modernized menu (vegan sandwiches, mushroom burgers, etc) which to me, has no place in an old space age/googie coffee shop! Unhealthy food tastes better!! :)

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                          If you haven't been you might enjoy Fred 62 http://fred62.com/index.php up in Los Feliz, or as I think I mentioned in another part of this very long thread, Millie's http://www.milliescafe.net/index2.html on Sunset if looking for some interesting breakfast spots.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                            And Nick's Cafe has been around since 1949, I believe...

                                                                                                                                                                          2. re: TripleAxel

                                                                                                                                                                            I love both Nick's - the one on Pico and the one downtown.

                                                                                                                                                                            But if you want old school - you'd be better off downtown - the ham is stunning.

                                                                                                                                                                  2. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                    Oh and I enjoyed Canter's a lot... not the best pastrami I've had, but far from the worst and it's got plenty of atmosphere to spare! It reminds me of the old Brown Derby deli that I grew up with in the Cote-des-Neiges district of Montreal. The food is more than passable, I'd say, albeit not exceptional, but it scores high on nostalgia points. I love the great mid century tiled wall murals.

                                                                                                                                                                    1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                      >> The Apple Pan... It's an asbolute timewarp without pretense; nothing about this place is self-conscious at all! It's just authentic and genuine, as if I had stepped back into 1946!

                                                                                                                                                                      ....Except that the prices have far exceeded the cost of inflation and exist in a universe of their own, rising on a regular basis irrespective and disproportionate to the economy and market price of an unfancy counter burger. It may not be pretentious or self-conscious, but the prices are certainly not down-to-earth.

                                                                                                                                                                      Perhaps they're going for the 1950's space race metaphor, since their prices reach to the stratosphere (in proportion to the very humble fare they're serving)

                                                                                                                                                                      Dinner for 2 at The Apple Pan
                                                                                                                                                                      2 (single, very thin patty) hickory cheeseburgers with a wedge of iceberg lettuce the size of Oklahoma (~$7 each)
                                                                                                                                                                      2 fries
                                                                                                                                                                      2 cokes
                                                                                                                                                                      2 slices of pie (~$7 each)
                                                                                                                                                                      2 coffees
                                                                                                                                                                      + tax and tip

                                                                                                                                                                      Between $50-60, out the door.

                                                                                                                                                                      Seriously? Very.

                                                                                                                                                                      Father's Office, yes. (reluctantly) The Apple Pan? No way in Hell. Or Heaven.

                                                                                                                                                                      Ridiculous.

                                                                                                                                                                      At the rate they increase their prices, in ten years the cost for dinner for 2 could reach $80. I want to know when people will be calling out The Apple Pan in droves on its insane pricing scheme. There's got to be a tipping point somewhere.

                                                                                                                                                                      Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                      1. re: Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                                        I can think of soooooo many other places I'd rather spend that $50-60 for mediocre food......

                                                                                                                                                                        1. re: Dirtywextraolives

                                                                                                                                                                          I had a great lunch for under $20 - steakburger with cheese ($7.50), fries ($2.25), root beer ($1.50) and a slice of apple pie with ice cream ($7.50) -- Total cost: $18.75 + tax/tip.

                                                                                                                                                                          The steakburger was a bit pricey for what it was, but the only menu item that I felt was significantly overpriced was the pie, which was nothing special. I suppose $20 is a lot for a fast food lunch of burger, fries, root beer and pie... but if that's what it takes to keep this place going, I can't complain too much!

                                                                                                                                                                          I can't imagine that you actually spent $60 for two people though... I'd guess that's a bit of an exagerration. For me, it's worth it because I can't think of any places like The Apple Pan that are left in California, let alone the country. I'd go back for a burger, fries and soda - skip the pie. You can eat a good lunch for $12 p/p.

                                                                                                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                            >> I can't imagine that you actually spent $60 for two people though

                                                                                                                                                                            Why not? (by the way, I said between $50-60 because I didn't have the exact prices-- I just knew they were exorbitant.)

                                                                                                                                                                            You say you paid $18.75 (you left out tax and tip) which means you very realistically could have paid about $25 for one person. You also didn't order coffee with your pie, so you saved about $4-5 there (assuming 2 coffees for 2 people). Multiply it by two and you're squarely in the ballpark I quoted above.

                                                                                                                                                                            You also learned a harsh lesson. You overpaid for the apple pie-- since it's the namesake of the place, you'd think it would be their showcase item. It is not. You also ordered ice cream-- their whipped cream is actually the way to go. It's this thick, dense mousse-like thing that's a dessert unto itself. But ultimately it's the banana cream pie which is the *only* reason I would ever consider going to the Apple Pan (unless they one day lower their prices to something actually reflecting reality). It's still insanely overpriced for a slice of pie, but it really is outstandingly good. Plus, it travels well so you can order it to go, and don't need to put up with the ridiculous nonsense of stalking out a pair of seats.

                                                                                                                                                                            Look, I'm a sucker for olde-timey stuff, but The Apple Pan really exploits the hell out of their customers. The prices need to be fully half what they're charging, to reflect the economic reality of the world we live in. If they did, I'd be a regular customer. But clearly they don't need my business, as the lines are not abating any time soon.

                                                                                                                                                                            Mr Taster

                                                                                                                                                      2. Funny how I started off this thread calling her my girlfriend and 10 month slater, she's become my wife! :)

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                                                                                                                                                        1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                          Congrats!

                                                                                                                                                        2. So I just called to book The Polo Lounge for 7 people on Sunday and there's no room available in the courtyard... can anyone recommend something similpar for brunch or lunch; preferably outdoors and with some old LA glamour? My mom who's a vegetarian, sister who's got celiac (gluten allergy) disease, younger sister, stepdad, grandmother and wife will be joining so I'm looking for something a bit more refined (food-wise) and classy.

                                                                                                                                                          Also, any suggestions for really good dining options that they can all enjoy as much for the food as the ambiance? To give you an idea, I don't think my folks would appreciate the food at a place like Musso and Frank or Taylor's. It doesn't have to be fancy either... just something with a more well rounded menu, proficient kitchen, tasty and with old LA flavor! Are there any options?

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                                                                                                                                                          1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                            A couple of possibilities if you don't mind the drive.

                                                                                                                                                            http://www.innoftheseventhray.com/

                                                                                                                                                            http://www.saddlepeaklodge.com/

                                                                                                                                                            If the drive is too much for those then The Ivy http://www.theivyrestaurants.com/ on Roberston would be a good bet.

                                                                                                                                                            1. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                              Thanks!

                                                                                                                                                              Perhaps we'll play it by ear and go to the Polo Lounge in the evening for cocktails. Would we need a reservation for the courtyard in the evening or is it not as busy?

                                                                                                                                                              Edit/Update: I was able to get a table at The Polo Lounge afterall!

                                                                                                                                                              1. re: OliverB

                                                                                                                                                                Too late, but try Chateau Marmont for brunch n the courtyard. And if you go to the Polo Lounge, stick with poached salmon.

                                                                                                                                                              2. re: Servorg

                                                                                                                                                                aw, man, the setting of the inn of seventh ray is very, very pleasant, but everything else about that place is like torture.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: linus

                                                                                                                                                                  "...but everything else about that place is like torture."

                                                                                                                                                                  The Inn of Dante's Ninth Circle of Hell-Ray?

                                                                                                                                                            2. Sounds like fun! Kind of a location scout.

                                                                                                                                                              Impressive list. A other you might consider.

                                                                                                                                                              Dominicks. On Beverly Blvd - a real honest to god rat-pack hangout.

                                                                                                                                                              "Opened in 1948, Dominick’s used to be harder to get into than Fort Knox. Only friends of friends were able to dine and drink at the exclusive restaurant, which was a Hollywood hangout for Frank Sinatra, his fellow Rat Packers, Marilyn Monroe and other celebs in the 1950s and 60s. After numerous ownership changes over the years, Dominick’s was purchased in 2004 by Warner Ebbink and Brandon Boudet, who also own 101 Coffee Shop and Little Dom’s. The proprietors brought back the spirit of Old Hollywood with a vintage black-and-white tiled floor and deep red leather booths, and lined the walls with a museum’s worth of framed photos of famous guests. The candlelit back patio is the perfect spot to imagine yourself in a romantic scene from Hollywood’s yesteryear."

                                                                                                                                                              The Pantry.

                                                                                                                                                              La Dolce Vita.
                                                                                                                                                              "George Raft - who gained fame for playing gangsters in films such as Some Like It Hot and the original Scarface - was one of the co-owners of La Dolce Vita when it opened in 1966. Raft’s Hollywood connections attracted stars like Frank Sinatra, who frequented the Beverly Hills restaurant along with fellow legends like Sammy Davis Jr., Gregory Peck and Anthony Quinn. Ruben Castro, the restaurant’s maitre d’ for over four decades, told The Hollywood Reporter that Sinatra would order his favorite drink - Jack Daniel’s on the rocks with water - by saying, “Daniel’s, on the rocks!” In 2012, La Dolce Vita dedicated booths to Sinatra and Guy McElwaine, his lifelong friend and agent, with brass name plaques. Sinatra’s favorite table wasn’t the booth that now bears his name - it's a corner booth by the bar that has a clear view of the entrance."

                                                                                                                                                              (Guy McElwaine was a jerk - gave a friend of mine herpes on her nipple. How's that for too much information?!)

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                                                                                                                                                              1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                                                                                                Jumping feet first into "too much information", if he gave her herpes on her nipple, it probably came from a cold sore on his lip, and not from chronic genital herpes. That might make him less of a jerk.

                                                                                                                                                                1. re: foodiemahoodie

                                                                                                                                                                  You realize this is a year & a half old and already happened, right?