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mhcpita Aug 30, 2012 09:27 PM

My husband and I will be vacationing in San Francisco with my parents for a week beginning 9/21...which is my father's 77th birthday. I'm going to subject him and my mother to the likes of Sotto Mer, Frascati, Off the Grid, and Lers Ros while we are there, but want to please him on his birthday...I wasn't expecting his birthday dinner to be so difficult! We will want to eat fairly early because of jet lag, but I want reservations definitely....unless you think we can get in at 5:30'ish without one. the atmosphere should be on the warm and cozy side, allowing for conversation (not a modern, open space that is loud). Not more than $35 per entree ideally. No need for crazy techniques. He likes ordinary solid food ~ steak, seafood, chops. I'm having some difficulty deciphering atmospheres. I have found Bix, Baker & Banker, or L'ardois Bistro. We are staying near Union Square and plan to take public transportation. Your suggestions/choice are greatly appreciated!

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    goldangl95 RE: mhcpita Aug 30, 2012 09:39 PM

    Baker & Banker fit your criteria. For rather casual atmosphere (but cozy and not loud) Canteen also works. For a little more formal - Perbacco.

    1. pamf RE: mhcpita Aug 30, 2012 10:00 PM

      Sam's Grill, it's traditional San Francisco. Known for simple fresh seafood, but also does steaks and chops.

      Depending on your exact location and walking tolerances it is either walking distance or a short cab ride from Union Square.

      Ask for one of their private booths when you make a reservation.

      http://www.belden-place.com/view/menu...

      1. Robert Lauriston RE: mhcpita Aug 31, 2012 08:50 AM

        Alfred's is as warm and cozy as SF gets.

        http://www.alfredssteakhouse.com/

        1. grayelf RE: mhcpita Aug 31, 2012 09:14 AM

          Had similar criteria (though parents more adventurous I think) with my P2s in SF at the same age. They loved Canteen, thought Perbacco was good but too loud (we sat upstairs). If you do choose Canteen, be sure to make a reservation ASAP.

          Bix was so dark when we went that they handed out flashlights to read the menu but that was a bit later (7:30) so maybe they turn the lights down? Also the food/drinks were just so so and quite expensive for what we got. Room is fun though with the faux Art Deco look and staircase.

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            mhcpita RE: grayelf Sep 4, 2012 05:18 PM

            Canteen's menu is inacessible to me. They will not be interested in duck, veal, or short ribs. San Francisco is a town of the unusual! Joyous for some......exhausting for me trying to plan! :) What were you able to order?

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              goldangl95 RE: mhcpita Sep 4, 2012 05:24 PM

              If you want really classic go to:

              Tadich Grill

              or maybe:
              Wayfare Tavern

              or a little further away (cabing)

              Sam's or
              House of Prime Rib

              There's always the cheesecake factory...

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                Robert Lauriston RE: goldangl95 Sep 4, 2012 05:31 PM

                The food's hit or miss at Tadich, you can have a pretty dreadful meal if you order the wrong things, e.g. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/850791

                Similar but less so for Sam's.

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                grayelf RE: mhcpita Sep 5, 2012 04:40 PM

                Yeah, no Canteen for your dad's bday with those limitations. Robert's list below looks do-able. I'd be wary of Sam's or Tadich's for the stated reasons -- we've had nice meals at both but you have to follow pretty narrow guidelines, and of course there's the wait at Tadich also (Sam's takes reservations for dinner).

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              BAnders RE: mhcpita Aug 31, 2012 02:20 PM

              If you can get in the front room at Kokkari, that might be a good option. It is comfortable and I have found it relatively easy to converse there with a group of four. I never have ordered these, but people have raved to me about the lamb chops.

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                mhcpita RE: BAnders Sep 4, 2012 05:19 PM

                I have searched out the menu - it looks like a wonderful spot with delicious food, but I'm afraid Chicken Solavki will deter my parents! I fear I'm searching for Applebees in a foodie paradise!

              2. Robert Lauriston RE: mhcpita Sep 4, 2012 05:23 PM

                Some good places for foodies who want to enjoy themselves while dining with people with deeply unadventurous taste:

                Epic Roasthouse
                Alfred's
                Hayes Street Grill
                House of Prime Rib

                Maybe Original Joe's, I haven't been to the new location.

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                  smatbrat RE: Robert Lauriston Sep 4, 2012 06:33 PM

                  he above are great options for what you are looking for.

                  You will not find an applebee's meal in this city.

                  I am a huge fan of Bix

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                    Robert Lauriston RE: Robert Lauriston Sep 5, 2012 04:54 PM

                    Here's my report on Epic, which would be my choice for this sort of thing:

                    http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/5223...

                    The steaks are expensive but the other stuff is quite reasonable given the luxe surroundings and service.

                    Menu: http://www.epicroasthouse.com/pdf/men...

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                    ceekskat RE: mhcpita Sep 5, 2012 06:57 PM

                    Town Hall...I can picture taking my parents here.
                    http://www.townhallsf.com/

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                      Ruth Lafler RE: ceekskat Sep 6, 2012 12:54 PM

                      Town Hall can be incredibly noisy, though. I wouldn't take my elderly parents there.

                      I think Robert's suggestion of Epic Roasthouse is excellent.

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                        ceekskat RE: Ruth Lafler Sep 6, 2012 01:06 PM

                        OP is dining fairly early so noise shouldn't be an issue in the dining room (they can ask to sit towards back, away from bar area).

                        Nothing wrong with Epic Roasthouse but some parents may be put off by the pricing even when not paying.

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                      dunstable RE: mhcpita Sep 6, 2012 12:31 PM

                      You can get that sort of protein-with-side dinner at just about every resto in San Francisco; there's no need to head specifically to a steakhouse. With only two or three exceptions, you're not going to get crazy Ferran Adria stuff happening anywhere. If anything I wish there were more of that sort of thing here.

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                        Robert Lauriston RE: dunstable Sep 6, 2012 12:36 PM

                        That simple food is available doesn't stop some people from being uncomfortable because they find the menu weird.

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                          goldangl95 RE: dunstable Sep 6, 2012 12:39 PM

                          I have noticed, and I understand the uncomfortable-ness, with having to ask the waiter..what is this? what is that? how is that prepared? In a lot of SF restaurants that is the norm now (what with menu descriptions being a list of 3 obscure ingredients in another language in a row). I think it's great to open up people to new styles of foods and ingredients, and these menus invite that type of dialogue - but many find it too intimidating.

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