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Aug 28, 2012 07:20 PM

Good place for a pre-dinner drink around 23rd & 10th?

I'm hoping to find a nice spot -- outdoor seating would be a plus -- to get together with a couple of people for an early drink before dinner. Does anyone have any recommendations? Thanks!

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  1. Half King is right there - pub. Nothing special really; outdoor seating but likely not permitted for just drinks

    The Frying Pan - 26th and the River. Not good drinks, but kitschy sort of 'we're sitting on a tugboat' vibe

    Ovest - doors/windows open to the street. Drinks ok at streetside tables.

    1. Gallow Green, the new rooftop garden bar on top of Sleep No More. Beautiful, old-timey space. Cocktails and punches curated by David Wondrich. 27th between 10th and 11th. Reservations required.

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      1. re: kathryn

        Hope you don't take this personally, but surely "curated" has moved right to the top of most annoying overused and poorly used words of today's trendy-speak, surpassing "meme." What exactly is David Woodrich doing to "curate" these cocktails and punches?

        (Moving up fast on the truly annoying scale is people talking about ordering or eating "proteins" -- and please don't get me started on "apps" -- no pun intended.)

        1. re: barberinibee

          Some of the punches are historical recipes (two from England in the 1800s), so he can't exactly claim credit for them, but I assume he did testing and tweaking for modern ingredients and palates. Not to mention reconciling all of the variations on the Claret Cup, Garrick Club, etc. Wondrich has done a lot of research on punch and essentially wrote the book on punch. The Gallow Green drink menu is meant to evoke a certain time and place (at least somewhat).

          1. re: barberinibee

            English changes, as does every language. kathryn makes a good case for using "curate" in this sense. "App" is a shorter form, like uncounted other examples that preceded it. (I'm sure "phone" irritated its share of people back in the day.)

            Sorry you're annoyed at the continuing evolution of the language. But it won't stop. You might consider getting used to it.

            1. re: squid kun

              You're right on your general point on language, but this sounds like a particularly apt use of "curate," given that the revival of very old cocktails is indeed something like work museums do in researching provenance and authenticity, maintaining, and (when it's done right) restoring.

              1. re: Pan

                Sorry folks! I'm not buying. All authentic cocktail and punch recipes are traditional and historic. Hats off to a bartender who digs up some old ones and loves his craft -- but it is craft, not art we are talking about.

                "Curating" is being bandied about to describe all sorts of jobs these days to associate with a cultural importance they don't deserve -- and it actually damaging to the overall culture for people to be equating food, drink and fashion with high art to the extent that is being done today. I don't expect to win the argument here, but I'm posting it anyway for posterity.

                1. re: barberinibee

                  No, you won't win here. Cuisine can be considered an art or/and a craft, and a philosophical argument that it is not a fine art is certainly one I recognize, but definitely not the kind of opinion you're going to widely convince subscribers to a food discussion board to proclaim, least of all in a focused topical thread on a board that covers a geographical area.

              2. re: squid kun


                You might as well ask me to get used to the sound of nails on a blackboard. I've never thought "numb yourself" was good life advice, and I have heard in various forms all my life.

                1. re: barberinibee

                  What you call "numbing," I'd call adapting to changing times. Are you OK with using "phone" instead of "telephone"?

          2. Drunken horse wine and cheese bar (right next door to Red Cat, so 10th between 23rd and 24th), no outdoor sitting though, but a nice chill place.
            Izakaya Ten for beer and sake.

            Trestle on Tenth is not a good restaurant IMO, but it has a very pretty back garden. It's on 10th at the north corner of 24th.

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            1. re: nohofoods

              As it turned out, Drunken Horse is where we ended up. It was fine for a quick drink. Then we headed across the street for dinner at La Promenade des Anglais, which was wonderful!