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emglow101 Aug 26, 2012 08:53 PM

I have seen some people squeeze some lime or lemon into their beer. Maybe with a little salt on the rim. When I was in Germany, most of the people I had met liked a lemon flavored selzer water mixed with their beer. It was quite a astonishment. But the kicker was seeing the beer mixed with Pepsi. Ever seen such a thing.

  1. JerryMe Jan 8, 2013 01:00 PM

    LOVE lime in my beer with some salt or even a touch of season salt especially in the summer. SO likes theirs w/ V-8 juice or even, gag, a slice of beef jerky that will soak and get soft.

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    1. re: JerryMe
      sunshine842 Jan 8, 2013 01:29 PM

      I'm pretty adventurous foodwise, but yeccch.

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        sadiefox Jan 11, 2013 02:15 PM

        Like a michelada - Mexican lager beer with lime, salt and ice. Very popular in Mexico. Regional variations include adding tomato juice and hot sauce.

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          chefj Jan 11, 2013 02:44 PM

          Chili Flakes
          Worcestershire
          Maggi
          Soy sauce
          and it goes on.......

      2. Unfoodie Jan 6, 2013 03:17 PM

        The Radler is just a simple way for German brewers to get around the purity laws that don't allow "flavoring" to be added to a beer. Mixing the beer with a lemon soda and calling it a Radler, not a beer, is the only way to make a fruity like beer legally unless you add the syrup as in a Berliner Weisse.

        Adding a fruit garnish to a beer helps coverup the bread/grain aromas of the drink, which is appealing to many, but no serious brewer would suggest their beer be served this way as the acid also kills the head retention.

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          Insidious Rex Jan 7, 2013 10:26 AM

          I was under the impression that the Reinheitsgebot hasnt been legally required for sometime now. Although Germans are notorious for being traditionalists whether its for a law or not so you could call it a cultural imperative at this point.

          1. re: Insidious Rex
            Jim Dorsch Jan 7, 2013 01:52 PM

            I believe you're correct, except that the Bavarians practice it anyway.

            Getting back to the point, made a few posts back, that the radler is meant to circumvent the Reinheitsgebot, it appears that this drink has been made for the better part of a century, and I assume it has traditionally been prepared at the point of service, i.e., draught beer dispensed and mixed with soda. Nevertheless, it's true that many radler-type drinks are bottled these days in Germany.

            1. re: Insidious Rex
              JessKidden Jan 9, 2013 03:56 AM

              The way I understand it (but, not understanding German, I can't cite original sources) the Reinheitsgebot was struck down by the EU and can't be used to prevent the importation of beer into Germany.

              What the German brewers still casually refer to as the Reinheitsgebot or "German (Beer) Purity Law" is the Deutschen Biersteuergesetz and is still in effect for German domestically-brewed and -marketed beers. Save for Bavarian-brewed beers, those beers brewed for export also do not need to follow it (see #7 in link below).

              But, as can be seen in the English translation of it on beer historian Ron Pattinson's site http://patto1ro.home.xs4all.nl/reinhe... , there are a number of large exceptions to the law, including most of the prohibitions applying to only bottom-fermented beers (thus allowing top-fermented wheat-based beers, gose, etc).

              Also, I believe the law only prevents beers that do not meet the requirements to be labeled and marketed as "Bier" - thus the pre-mixed Radlers, etc.

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            TombstoneShadow Dec 29, 2012 04:21 PM

            Wheat beers lend themselves to these additives...

            Take a flagship German wheat beer like konig-ludwig for example... at a recent reunion of a bunch of my old h.s. friends we were sampling it and I mentioned the banana and clove overtones... something everyone instantly recognized... a squeeze of lemon in these type wheet beers is just great...

            ....I know some people might shoot me but I still love Leinie's Raspberry Wheat...

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              GraydonCarter Jan 6, 2013 02:02 AM

              Blue Moon is served with a slice of orange, which is added mostly for attention-getting when served in a bar.

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                brandywiner Jan 6, 2013 07:35 PM

                Actually, Bell's Oberon is often served with an orange slice. Just about every beer bar I've been to in Michigan does this; IMO, it really enhances the beer.

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                  Josh Jan 7, 2013 08:32 PM

                  Eek.

                  Oberon is such a great beer, or used to be anyway. Why spoil it with an orange slice?

                  1. re: Josh
                    Jim Dorsch Jan 8, 2013 04:26 AM

                    Read Larry Bell's take on this issue in the sidebar to this piece:

                    http://www.mlive.com/kalamabrew/index...

                    Interesting to note:

                    1. about 2/3 of the people who voted said they liked it with orange

                    2. Larry said he first saw the slice appear after Blue Moon started pushing it.

                    I'm a beer purist. I don't garnish my beer. I don't drink half-n-half concoctions.

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                    Slightly Grey Jan 8, 2013 10:56 AM

                    Personnaly, I follow man-rule #426:

                    " Thou shalt not put fruit in thy beer"

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                      Insidious Rex Jan 8, 2013 12:41 PM

                      Whats the man-rule say about Kriek's? ;)

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                        sunshine842 Jan 8, 2013 12:47 PM

                        and cider....

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                          JAB Jan 8, 2013 12:48 PM

                          If it's brewed into the beer as oppossed to added after the brewing process, you're able to maintain your man card.

                    2. re: GraydonCarter
                      JerryMe Jan 8, 2013 01:02 PM

                      The orange slice is not just an attention getter - I always ask for the orange slice (I de-pit it and squeeze the juice into Blue Moon and eat the rest minus the rind) and if they don't have it, I'll switch the choice of beverage.

                  3. Josh Aug 31, 2012 09:37 PM

                    We live near a couple of Burmese restaurants that make a drink with beer, lemon juice and ginger served on the rocks. It's quite refreshing, and goes well with the food.

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                      Tripeler Aug 31, 2012 09:40 PM

                      Josh,
                      Which restaurants are those? The craziest drink I ever had in a Burmese restaurant was the native Shan liquor, which tasted like cheap whisky with Chinese herbs in it.

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                        Josh Jan 9, 2013 08:10 AM

                        Just now noticed this reply. The restaurants are Mandalay and Burma Superstar.

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                          Tripeler Jan 9, 2013 04:33 PM

                          Thanks for the reply.

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                      LStaff Aug 27, 2012 11:54 AM

                      These days I couldn't care less how other people like to enjoy their beverages - there was a time when I was a noobie beer geek that I used to get all uppity about it, but realized there may be times or situations when a little wedge of fruit can add to the enjoyment of beer.

                      Sometimes I like a little lemon rubbed on the rim of a hefeweizen and its like you are a lepper in some beer bars these days - some even refusing to give you one to put in your beer - so I just ask for a glass of water with a lemon and fish it out of the water. Not all hefewiezens are created equally and some may be out of balance with too many phenolic characteristics (most US versions I have had) which the lemon helps cover up or just may be a bit old and the lemon helps to liven it up a bit. I understand that it ruins head retention, blah, blah, blah, and its not how the brewer intended it to be enjoyed, but whatever, I paid for it, I'm going to drink it the way I like.

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                        sunshine842 Aug 27, 2012 12:31 PM

                        but there *are* weizens and hefeweizens produced that the braumeister expects you to put a slice of lemon on his product. .... it tastes like it's missing something..because it is!

                        (walk down the street on a summer afternoon in Munich and you'll see what I mean)

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                          The Professor Aug 27, 2012 06:00 PM

                          It's not missing anything if one doesn't _like_ stuff like that added to a beer...regardless of what the bräumeister expects or intends.

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                            LStaff Aug 28, 2012 09:44 AM

                            In my short time in Munich in 2002 during Oktoberfest season, as crowded as the streets were I never saw one lemon in a weissbier. Not saying it doesn't exist, just that I never saw it, nor was it ever offered to me.

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                              sunshine842 Aug 28, 2012 11:04 AM

                              Because by Oktoberfest, they've moved on to their autumn beers. Weizens are still available, but they're no longer in season.

                              Lemon in wheat beer is a summer thing, as I alluded.

                              1. re: sunshine842
                                linguafood Aug 28, 2012 11:25 AM

                                Only in Kristallweizen that has had (most of the) yeast removed. Lemon or orange in Hefeweizen? Nah. Banana juice, tho.

                                Yes, we Germans are sick fucks.

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                                  sunshine842 Aug 28, 2012 11:54 AM

                                  In Munich, I've always been brought a lemon in the summer-- Tucher and Franziskaener mostly (my preferred, though I'll drink whatever is local and/or the house offering!) always cloudy ones.

                                  a variation from Berlin? Or just pandering to the stupid tourist ;)

                                  1. re: sunshine842
                                    linguafood Aug 28, 2012 12:48 PM

                                    Nope, I've seen lemon in *Kristall*weizen all over Germany, but not in Hefeweizen. That doesn't mean people don't do it (and if it tastes good to them, why would I care), just that the overwhelming majority of Kristalls I've seen were with lemon, whereas noone would even bother to ask whether one wanted their Hefe with lemon.

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                          FrankJBN Aug 27, 2012 06:49 AM

                          I do not like fruit in my beer. I also do not like that with certain beers, Corona for one, the beeer is automatically served with a wedge of fruit in the neck - often even if I remember to ask that it is served without.

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                            Tripeler Aug 27, 2012 07:17 AM

                            I think the lemon wedge in bottles of Mexican beers serves to keep out the flies.

                          2. Pata_Negra Aug 27, 2012 04:42 AM

                            i think they are 'Spezi' and 'Schorle'.

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                              Jim Dorsch Aug 27, 2012 05:20 AM

                              The word I've heard is Radler.

                              I visited some German brewers several years ago, and saw a presentation at the Veltins brewery. They were aggressively marketing various mixes of beer with sodas, etc. As Tripeler mentioned, German youth seem to be ignoring their birthright.

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                                sunshine842 Aug 27, 2012 06:32 AM

                                That's it -- radler.

                                Schorle is fruit juice mixed with sparkling water.

                                1. re: sunshine842
                                  linguafood Aug 28, 2012 11:23 AM

                                  Alster in the North. It can be complicated, as some areas think Radler means beer plus Fanta (orange lemonade - ick!), and Alster means beer plus lemonade.

                                  One better asks, just to be safe :-)

                                2. re: Jim Dorsch
                                  Pata_Negra Aug 27, 2012 06:54 AM

                                  yes, that's the one. how could i forget 'cyclist'! i go to Germany every year to eat and drink. on my last trip i got served a Radler by accident. the brought me a real beer straight away.

                                  as a beer and wine purist i find all these mixed drinks revolting.

                                  Schorle can also contain wine.

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                                  linguafood Aug 28, 2012 11:23 AM

                                  Spezi is coke and fanta mixed, schorle is anything mixed with seltzer -- wine schorle, apple schorle, etc. etc.

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                                    sunshine842 Aug 28, 2012 11:49 AM

                                    No -- Coke and Fanta mixed is MezzoMix! (my personal favorite soda EVAR.)

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                                      linguafood Aug 28, 2012 12:47 PM

                                      Spezi, SchwippSchwapp, MezzoMix -- they're all just brand names of the coke & fanta mix.

                                      I used to love them as a kid (with no particular preference for any brand, but I'm sure we mosty had the generic Aldi brand thanks to thrifty dad), couldn't stomach them now.

                                      1. re: linguafood
                                        sunshine842 Aug 28, 2012 12:56 PM

                                        I know...I was pushing your buttons. :)

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                                          linguafood Aug 28, 2012 01:00 PM

                                          You remind me of someone..... someone on this very website.... hmmmmmmm.

                                          :-D

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                                            sunshine842 Aug 28, 2012 01:25 PM

                                            *looks around*

                                            Let me know when you remember who....

                                4. sunshine842 Aug 27, 2012 01:23 AM

                                  The beer/lemon sparkling water mixture is pretty common across Europe in the summer -- in England it's a shandy, in France, it's a panaché, and the German name escapes me at the moment.

                                  I love, love, love a good weissbier (wheat beer) with a wedge of lemon in it.

                                  But Pepsi? Ergh.

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                                  1. re: sunshine842
                                    Tripeler Aug 27, 2012 07:16 AM

                                    In Germany, it's a Radler, right?

                                  2. Tripeler Aug 27, 2012 12:52 AM

                                    Sounds horrible, and surprising from Germany which has historically taken beer very seriously. However, many young people there seem to be turning away from beer, so I suppose this is no surprise. Actually, beer with lemon-flavored sparkling water doesn't sound that bad...

                                    However, my daughter tells me that in Spain young people like to mix red wine with Coca-Cola, which completely blows my mind.

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                                    1. re: Tripeler
                                      JAB Aug 27, 2012 06:43 AM

                                      "mix red wine with Coca-Cola" I had thought that was a thing only done in China.

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                                        Tripeler Aug 27, 2012 07:16 AM

                                        Apparently it is not unusual to do with cheap red wine in Spain. In China, it would be done with pricy Bordeaux vintages!

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                                        chefj Aug 27, 2012 05:42 PM

                                        Germany also has a long tradition of add other flavorings to there beers especially Berliner Weisse. Woodruff and Raspberry being the most common.

                                        Wiki Page lists a whole slew of them for Germany, about halfway down the page

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                                          DillMuncher Aug 28, 2012 01:22 PM

                                          Stiegel makes a lemon soda flavored beer that hits the spot on a hot day. Most German beer is not flavored with anything at all.

                                          On the contrary most young people are not turning away from beer. Most young people are going towards high alcohol, highly hopped ales. The young people are completely ignorant to German styles such as Kolsch and Dopplebocks.

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                                            Idyllwild Sep 1, 2012 05:39 PM

                                            When I was in Germany in the early 1990's I saw quite a few bar patrons enjoying their beer with various sodas and other adulterants. It convinced me that Germany's reputation as a serious beer country was undeserved. I also bought a few random cans of beer in various shops and cafes, each of which turned out to be a mediocre or downright awful pale lager.
                                            Although there are certainly many great beers brewed in Germany, it seems most (or at least many) Germans drink boring swill, often mixed with soda pop.

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