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Aug 26, 2012 08:53 PM

Beer with a twist

I have seen some people squeeze some lime or lemon into their beer. Maybe with a little salt on the rim. When I was in Germany, most of the people I had met liked a lemon flavored selzer water mixed with their beer. It was quite a astonishment. But the kicker was seeing the beer mixed with Pepsi. Ever seen such a thing.

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  1. Sounds horrible, and surprising from Germany which has historically taken beer very seriously. However, many young people there seem to be turning away from beer, so I suppose this is no surprise. Actually, beer with lemon-flavored sparkling water doesn't sound that bad...

    However, my daughter tells me that in Spain young people like to mix red wine with Coca-Cola, which completely blows my mind.

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    1. re: Tripeler

      "mix red wine with Coca-Cola" I had thought that was a thing only done in China.

      1. re: JAB

        Apparently it is not unusual to do with cheap red wine in Spain. In China, it would be done with pricy Bordeaux vintages!

      2. re: Tripeler

        Germany also has a long tradition of add other flavorings to there beers especially Berliner Weisse. Woodruff and Raspberry being the most common.

        Wiki Page lists a whole slew of them for Germany, about halfway down the page

        1. re: Tripeler

          Stiegel makes a lemon soda flavored beer that hits the spot on a hot day. Most German beer is not flavored with anything at all.

          On the contrary most young people are not turning away from beer. Most young people are going towards high alcohol, highly hopped ales. The young people are completely ignorant to German styles such as Kolsch and Dopplebocks.

          1. re: Tripeler

            When I was in Germany in the early 1990's I saw quite a few bar patrons enjoying their beer with various sodas and other adulterants. It convinced me that Germany's reputation as a serious beer country was undeserved. I also bought a few random cans of beer in various shops and cafes, each of which turned out to be a mediocre or downright awful pale lager.
            Although there are certainly many great beers brewed in Germany, it seems most (or at least many) Germans drink boring swill, often mixed with soda pop.

          2. The beer/lemon sparkling water mixture is pretty common across Europe in the summer -- in England it's a shandy, in France, it's a panaché, and the German name escapes me at the moment.

            I love, love, love a good weissbier (wheat beer) with a wedge of lemon in it.

            But Pepsi? Ergh.

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            1. i think they are 'Spezi' and 'Schorle'.

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              1. re: Pata_Negra

                The word I've heard is Radler.

                I visited some German brewers several years ago, and saw a presentation at the Veltins brewery. They were aggressively marketing various mixes of beer with sodas, etc. As Tripeler mentioned, German youth seem to be ignoring their birthright.

                1. re: Jim Dorsch

                  That's it -- radler.

                  Schorle is fruit juice mixed with sparkling water.

                  1. re: sunshine842

                    Alster in the North. It can be complicated, as some areas think Radler means beer plus Fanta (orange lemonade - ick!), and Alster means beer plus lemonade.

                    One better asks, just to be safe :-)

                  2. re: Jim Dorsch

                    yes, that's the one. how could i forget 'cyclist'! i go to Germany every year to eat and drink. on my last trip i got served a Radler by accident. the brought me a real beer straight away.

                    as a beer and wine purist i find all these mixed drinks revolting.

                    Schorle can also contain wine.

                  3. re: Pata_Negra

                    Spezi is coke and fanta mixed, schorle is anything mixed with seltzer -- wine schorle, apple schorle, etc. etc.

                    1. re: linguafood

                      No -- Coke and Fanta mixed is MezzoMix! (my personal favorite soda EVAR.)

                      1. re: sunshine842

                        Spezi, SchwippSchwapp, MezzoMix -- they're all just brand names of the coke & fanta mix.

                        I used to love them as a kid (with no particular preference for any brand, but I'm sure we mosty had the generic Aldi brand thanks to thrifty dad), couldn't stomach them now.

                        1. re: linguafood

                          I know...I was pushing your buttons. :)

                          1. re: sunshine842

                            You remind me of someone..... someone on this very website.... hmmmmmmm.


                            1. re: linguafood

                              *looks around*

                              Let me know when you remember who....

                  4. I do not like fruit in my beer. I also do not like that with certain beers, Corona for one, the beeer is automatically served with a wedge of fruit in the neck - often even if I remember to ask that it is served without.

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                    1. re: FrankJBN

                      I think the lemon wedge in bottles of Mexican beers serves to keep out the flies.

                    2. These days I couldn't care less how other people like to enjoy their beverages - there was a time when I was a noobie beer geek that I used to get all uppity about it, but realized there may be times or situations when a little wedge of fruit can add to the enjoyment of beer.

                      Sometimes I like a little lemon rubbed on the rim of a hefeweizen and its like you are a lepper in some beer bars these days - some even refusing to give you one to put in your beer - so I just ask for a glass of water with a lemon and fish it out of the water. Not all hefewiezens are created equally and some may be out of balance with too many phenolic characteristics (most US versions I have had) which the lemon helps cover up or just may be a bit old and the lemon helps to liven it up a bit. I understand that it ruins head retention, blah, blah, blah, and its not how the brewer intended it to be enjoyed, but whatever, I paid for it, I'm going to drink it the way I like.

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                      1. re: LStaff

                        but there *are* weizens and hefeweizens produced that the braumeister expects you to put a slice of lemon on his product. .... it tastes like it's missing something..because it is!

                        (walk down the street on a summer afternoon in Munich and you'll see what I mean)

                        1. re: sunshine842

                          It's not missing anything if one doesn't _like_ stuff like that added to a beer...regardless of what the bräumeister expects or intends.

                          1. re: sunshine842

                            In my short time in Munich in 2002 during Oktoberfest season, as crowded as the streets were I never saw one lemon in a weissbier. Not saying it doesn't exist, just that I never saw it, nor was it ever offered to me.

                            1. re: LStaff

                              Because by Oktoberfest, they've moved on to their autumn beers. Weizens are still available, but they're no longer in season.

                              Lemon in wheat beer is a summer thing, as I alluded.

                              1. re: sunshine842

                                Only in Kristallweizen that has had (most of the) yeast removed. Lemon or orange in Hefeweizen? Nah. Banana juice, tho.

                                Yes, we Germans are sick fucks.

                                1. re: linguafood

                                  In Munich, I've always been brought a lemon in the summer-- Tucher and Franziskaener mostly (my preferred, though I'll drink whatever is local and/or the house offering!) always cloudy ones.

                                  a variation from Berlin? Or just pandering to the stupid tourist ;)

                                  1. re: sunshine842

                                    Nope, I've seen lemon in *Kristall*weizen all over Germany, but not in Hefeweizen. That doesn't mean people don't do it (and if it tastes good to them, why would I care), just that the overwhelming majority of Kristalls I've seen were with lemon, whereas noone would even bother to ask whether one wanted their Hefe with lemon.