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Expanding Montreal’s Third Wave Coffee Scene

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Enkerli Aug 21, 2012 08:30 PM

As some people might realize, Montreal’s Third Wave coffee scene has been expanding rather rapidly, in the past couple of years. (The Gazoo’s casual dining reporter Sarah Musgrave wrote about just that: http://lar.me/2de

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[If you wonder what I mean by “Third Wave”, here’s the original piece: http://lar.me/3rdwave

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Thing is, though, most of these cafés are concentrated in a few neighbourhoods in the Plateau borough (including Mile End). It’s easy to understand why Plateau attracts potential café owners. And I don’t think we’ve reached anywhere near a saturation point in the number of cafés in those neighbourhoods. Yet I think there’s quite a bit of room for expansion, in Montreal’s Third Wave coffee scene.

I’ve lived in Petite-Patrie from 1997 to 2007 and moved back in March. It’s a neat neighbourhood and we seem to be at the beginning of a housing bubble. Prices are still much lower than what they’d be in the Plateau, but there’s a clear tendency for prices to increase quite a bit, at least in condos and apartment building. The Jean-Talon market is bringing a crowd which includes a number of chowhounds and foodies. And while there’s an established scene of Italian cafés along with some other independent cafés, there’s no Third Wave café in sight. Sad and somewhat surprising.

Of course, as a friend was pointing out, many other neighbourhoods lack Third Wave cafés: Villeray, NDG, Rosemont… The Village has Pourquoi Pas and Lapin pressé is almost at Papineau, but anything East of there is pretty much an open space for the Third Wave coffee scene. Same thing West of the mountain (and of Café Saint-Henri).

Basically Third Wave coffee spots are concentrated in a very small zone. Here’s a map (counting places which you may or may not consider truly Third Wave): http://lar.me/2eu
Apart from the Laval ArtJava, all other cafés in that list are between Laurier and Notre-Dame and between Papineau and the 15.

Again, I’m not blaming café owners. I understand why they focus on proximity to likely patrons. Besides, it’s not like there’s no interesting coffeeshop outside of the Third Wave.

It’s just that there may be something special about places with Third Wave cafés, the same way that brewpubs have been part of significant changes in several food scenes.

So, if anyone hears anything about Third Wave cafés outside of the perimeter seen on that aforelinked map, I’d be quite interested in learning more about it.

Cheers!

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    Maximilien Aug 22, 2012 04:06 AM

    (IMO), To have a 3rd wave coffee, AKA hipster coffee, you need to have hipsters ... they have not yet really migrated to surrounding neighbourhoods.

    The newer hipster 'hood will be HoMa, Griffintown/St-Henry.

    To answer the question, I don't know !! :-)
    The only coffee I buy (1 per week) is at Café Italia; and I sometimes buy "Iron Pig" coffee beans from Neve.

    M.

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      Enkerli Aug 22, 2012 05:01 AM

      Ha! The Third Wave to Hipster connection! That could lead to an interesting discussion. Maybe we should ask Zeynep Arsel, who does academic research on Hipsters.

      Thing is, while I understand the connection, it might lead to misguided decisions.
      My premise: Hopefully, the Third Wave isn’t merely a fashion trend.

      [By the by, I’d argue that there are plenty of Hipsters in PetPat. They may not be as “mainstream” as Griffintown ones, but they’re likely patrons of Third Wave cafés as other Hipsters. In fact, I just heard about Fixe, a Third Wave café on Saint-Hubert. I’ll try to take note of its Hipster Quotient when I go.]

      While there are plenty of self-labeled Hipsters at several Third Wave cafés, Hipsters aren’t the only ones making up the scene. If they were, Hipsters’ distaste for the well-known might become a problem for the scene. How can café owners take part in the Third Wave if their only customers “were into them before they became famous”? I’m not poking fun, here. I’m thinking about the transient dimension of “fads” and the implications for a broad movement.

      Not that catering to Hipsters is a bad strategy for a business to use. Currently, it’s quite likely that Hipsters are the ones who spend the most money on such products as quality coffee and PBR. Per capita, at least. Targeting Hipsters requires quite a bit of flexibility, though. You need to be ready to change things quickly if there are indications that your “brand” is becoming stale (or is becoming too recognized as a “brand”). Several café owners are able to pull it off, but it requires a fine tuned analysis of social trends.

      And there are ways to have some diversity in Third Wave cafés. Just this past weekend, I was discussing Third Wave cafés in Paris and Geneva with a Montreal café owner. Not only are these Swiss and French cafés called “coffeeshops” and full of English-speakers, but most of them look just like North American cafés. Like this local café owner, I don’t see a necessary connection between the Third Wave coffee movement and the looks of cafés which take part in it. Not only is there plenty of room for Third Wave cafés in just about any city, but there’s a lot of room for Third Wave cafés which look different. I trust café owners to make it work, even if it requires some effort on their part.

      So I’m not worried about café owners, individually or as a group. They’ll adapt or switch to something else.

      I’m more concerned about the Third Wave as a movement and as a drive for social innovation. Sure, it sounds like a lofty goal. But Procope and the Merchant’s Coffee House are useful precedents to keep in mind. For the movement to make a broad impact, it’d have to move beyond the Hipster circle.

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        catroast Aug 22, 2012 07:15 AM

        why would somebody open a high end coffee shop in a low income neighbourhood?

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          Maximilien Aug 22, 2012 07:45 AM

          why not, gentrification does that ...

          Same way, why Joe Beef opened where they are now.

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            catroast Aug 22, 2012 07:50 AM

            Joe Beef is a destination restaurant. Most people do not travel for their daily coffee.

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              Maximilien Aug 22, 2012 08:02 AM

              and yet they opened in a low income neighbourhood. When they opened, they were not yet a destination restaurant.

              People will travel to Myriade, Gamba or Neve for their coffee; maybe not everyday, but on week-ends.

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                catroast Aug 22, 2012 08:11 AM

                myriade is a bad example because they are inundated with students. And Gamba and Neve are undoubtedly supported by local residents - i mean, for 2 years you couldn't even park anywhere near Gamba.

                Also successful high end restaurants are hardly ever completely supported by local residents unless in a very ritzy neighbourhood. Besides, Joe Beef had buzz factor from day 1.

                coffee and fine dining are two different beasts.

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                  pyropaul99 Aug 22, 2012 08:41 AM

                  There's virtually no successful high end restaurants in, for example, Westmount (partly due to zoning rules). Margins are very thin in the restaurant business and rents can make the difference between success and failure. Joe Beef is in a low rent area and I'm sure this helped them during the initial do-or-die phase of their development.

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      eat2much Aug 22, 2012 08:29 AM

      In order to make a place profitable don't you need to cater to some douchebags as well as hipsters?

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        williej Aug 22, 2012 08:59 AM

        can you define in one sentence third wave?

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          Maximilien Aug 22, 2012 10:11 AM

          1st wave: drip coffee (diner style coffee)
          2nd wave: starbucks/2nd cup/van-houte (industrial-ish)
          3rd wave: myriad, Gamba...

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            williej Aug 22, 2012 04:49 PM

            by that. criteria cafe92 in ndg is 3rd. wave

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              MoukMoukien Aug 28, 2012 09:46 AM

              I would put Café Shaika (5526 Sherbrooke Street West in NDG a little west of Decarie) in the same category as Café 92°.

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            AlexCV Aug 22, 2012 11:51 AM

            Coffee shop that place a premium on the quality of the coffee served.

            That's what I go by. The rest is window dressing.

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          AlexCV Aug 22, 2012 11:12 AM

          You're missing Hoche cafe on your map.

          4299 Rue Ontario Est Montreal, QC H1V 1K4
          (514) 419-7997

          Most definitely "east of papineau", east of pie ix indeed and my backup bean source when I don't make it to one of the downtown spots.

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            Enkerli Aug 23, 2012 04:47 AM

            We may be getting somewhere, albeit through different angles.

            On Hipsters, fellow Concordia ethnographer Zeynep Arsel has provided me with this interesting link:
            http://lar.me/2f6
            I hope she can come by here to discuss the connection between the Third Wave scene and what she describes as the Hipster narrative.

            To clarify my original point, I see the Third Wave as a movement, as per Trish Skeie’s original article: http://lar.me/3rdwave

            In this sense, it’s much less about “premium” (unlike Second Wave institutions like Charbucks and Second Cup) than it is about experimentation and care. Eventually, I hope it can be about local innovation. Sure, Third Wave coffee is usually more expensive than a Timmy Double-Double. But it’s still quite affordable on a student budget. Besides, Montreal isn’t in the Maritimes: we don’t have that many Tim Hortons locations.

            Third Wave cafés are also not like fine dining. Which is why I relate it more to chowhounds than to foodies.

            As for average neighbourhood income, it doesn’t sound like a great predictor of Third Wave café presence. Didn’t find an updated list of average income by borough but this 2000 one shows Plateau as below Montreal’s average for household income and higher than Montreal’s average for low-income households: http://lar.me/2f4 (PDF
            )Some 2005 figures are available for most boroughs, but they’re not in a very handy format. Here’s the Plateau one:
            http://lar.me/2f5
            Browsing those pages, I notice that several boroughs had higher average household income than Plateau: Anjou, Cartierville, Île-Bizard, Outremont, Pierrefonds, RDP/PAT, Verdun, and Ville-Marie. While Myriade is in Ville-Marie, none of the other boroughs have a Third Wave café.
            I’m sure a colleague could model the Third Wave café scene and find the best predictor for their location. Maybe proportion of students could work, especially if combined with something else. But I’m guessing it has more to do with perceived “trendiness”, which is probably difficult to assess precisely but easy to unearth.

            Which is part of the point I was trying to make. About fifteen to twenty years ago, the Plateau neighbourhood lifted itself from its modest roots to become trendy. The Mile-End has increased in trendiness not long after that. Other neighbourhoods have been compared to Plateau, over the years, but the shift hasn’t really happened. Sounds like the Southwest borough is currently emerging as a trendy neighbourhood and Jean-François Leduc’s microroasting operation is probably better located than my Third Wave map might imply. After all, it’s walking distance from Atwater Market, Joe Beef, etc.

            Not only can it make good business sense to be the first Third Wave café in an emerging neighbourhood, but I think Third Wave cafés can play a part in local innovation. I sincerely hope it’s not about gentrification. But I also hope it can be about community building.

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              catroast Aug 23, 2012 06:32 AM

              the exact sort of 'innovation' that i've seen at cafe myriade would go on in the corporate kitchen of starbucks and second cup. if anything, i would say a place like myriade is more 'plastic' in that they are quicker to change their product or introduce something new. is that innovation? this third wave business is a bit ostentatious for my tastes.

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                pyropaul99 Aug 23, 2012 07:47 AM

                I thought 3rd Wave meant no nasty flavoured syrups and other crap ;)

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              FoodNovice Mar 8, 2013 08:02 PM

              Walking through the tunnel between Place Ville Marie and the Eaton Centre today, I happened to notice bags of Phil & Sebastian coffee stacked in a tiny space that looked to be on the verge of opening. Really just a take out window with room for a barista and their equipment and nothing else. Brave venture to open in that location, but I'm happy to have a third-wave option closer to my work than Café Différence.

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                Enkerli Mar 8, 2013 08:19 PM

                I think someone told me about it, recently, but I don’t remember anything about the details. I don’t think it’s someone I know directly, but it’s probably someone connected to the Third Wave scene somehow.
                Speaking of which… It was really nice to have so many Third Wave people at The Knife for the PACE event about “Cutting Edge Coffee Experience”, last week. I get the feeling we’re entering in yet another phase in Montreal’s coffee scene and it’s one which might be even more inclusive and open.

                As for that tunnel… It’s a strange location, in some ways. There’s been quite a turnover during the past year and that tends not to be an excellent sign. One might figure that foot traffic is pretty good, but it’s clearly not a destination. And the nail salon smell actually may discourage some people from consuming beverages there. In a way, several tunnels are like that, say at Place Bonaventure or at Peel.
                Still, we’ll see how this coffee outlet works out. You never know, it might start a trend.

                In terms of location, though, Humble Lion could brag about theirs. Not that it’s a guarantee of anything but it might be a textbook case for proper café location.

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                  AlexCV Apr 24, 2013 10:44 AM

                  The tim horton's in that tunnel didn't even last... I hope whoever's opening there has got very low overhead. I might try to patronize them semi regularly if they're any good. Though good point about the nail salon.

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                    Shattered Apr 24, 2013 06:30 PM

                    Those tunnels have heavy foot traffic, but the emphasis is on traffic. People are in work mode, going places in a hurry. They're also very narrow. Have you ever negotiated the PVM-Eaton tunnel at lunch or when everyone is on their break? It's practically shoulder-to-shoulder. So very few people will stop for food or drink, and if they do it's quite awkward as crowds rush by. If its the spot I think it is, there's no seating or much open standing area.

                    Terrible location.

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                    alinemramos Apr 24, 2013 07:51 PM

                    If we're talking about the same place, it's called Tunnel (or Café Tunnel). Apparently, they have good coffee (I wouldn't know; not a coffee drinker), and they're part of the Indie Coffee Pass, so they should be getting quite a few customers from that.

                    When I was there, I saw a decent amount of people stop by and pick up some coffee to go. Even though there's no seating, this didn't seem to upset people who were buying coffee there.

                    They also occasionally sell cannoli and donuts (from Leche, if I read the sign correctly).

                    Worth checking out, IMHO.

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                      Enkerli Apr 25, 2013 03:53 AM

                      Agreed. I quite enjoyed it, including for the coffee (Kittel and Phil & Sebastian). While I was there, around the time people leave work, several people came by to chat a bit while having coffee. Though it doesn’t have any seating, that type of interaction is quite typical of cafés in Northern Italy. And I’ve found the coffee much better at Tunnel than in a typical Milanese café.
                      Haven’t had the pastries, but they sound pretty good. He apparently overstocked that day yet he was out when I passed by.
                      They’re true to form as a Third Wave café, trying different things, making sure the shots are well-crafted each time.
                      In several ways, it’s better location (and much bigger) than Distributrice.

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                        AlexCV May 1, 2013 06:37 AM

                        I agree generally, I've tried Tunnel a couple times now. A bit slow turn around time on a shot (I'm usually in a hurry in the morning to make my first meeting/call) or service but careful execution.

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                    Enkerli Apr 24, 2013 07:18 AM

                    Have people here heard of the “Indie Coffee Passport”? If not, it might be a neat way to explore Montreal’s coffeescene. Out of 18 cafés, I’d say the following would qualify as belonging to the Third Wave:

                    * Arts
                    * Fixe
                    * Boris
                    * Plume
                    * Lapin pressé
                    * Knife
                    * Pourquoi pas
                    * Différance
                    * Tunnel
                    * Véritas
                    * Dispatch

                    Notably absent:

                    * Myriade
                    * Pikolo
                    * Sardine
                    * Odessa
                    * Névé
                    * Flocon
                    * Distributrice
                    * Saint-Henri
                    * ArtJava
                    * Gamba
                    * Humble Lion

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                      williej Apr 29, 2013 07:53 PM

                      Yes, notably absent is anything west of PVM. Is that a strategy or did they get rebuffed by the western part of downtown and further west?

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                        alinemramos Apr 29, 2013 08:26 PM

                        In fact, strictly speaking, Tunnel Espresso Bar and Café Différance are both West of PVM, although really close to it.

                        All the way due West, however, there is Baobab, in Verdun.

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                          williej Apr 29, 2013 08:43 PM

                          Thanks. Didn't see Baobab in the list above. Is that the only one on the Passport west of Peel?

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                            alinemramos Apr 29, 2013 09:26 PM

                            Yes. Unless Dispatch (which is a coffee truck) happens to be roaming around the West.

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                              williej Apr 30, 2013 07:42 AM

                              Cafe 92 in NDG west of Sherbrooke would be a good candidate. They do have their own coffee card, though, so not sure if that disqualifies them from consideration.

                              To the post below, Cafe 92 has become a type of community centre as well.

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                          Shattered Apr 29, 2013 09:59 PM

                          My guess is a combo of strategy, geography, and start-up time commitment. Downtown is full of chains that have the office crowd in their pockets. The rarer indie places like Myriade likewise are doing crazy business already (Tunnel being brand new and Differance fairly new and also in Old Mtl).

                          As for west of Atwater, I'm sure it took enough legwork and time to get the places they did, and who's gonna buy it and travel all over town to use it anyway?

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                            Enkerli Apr 30, 2013 03:35 AM

                            Or further East… There’s Pourquoi Pas in the Village and 1880 in Quartier Latin. There are several spots in the Mile-End, which is convenient for me as I live in PetPat, just the other side of the tracks, Apart from going to Verdun for Baobab, the passport didn’t make me travel that much. So, in terms of “internal tourism”, it might not broaden people’s horizons that much.

                            Part of it might be about the shape of the coffeescene. I’ve started this thread with the notion that Third Wave cafés are concentrated in a few parts of town. Among other things, the thread made me discover Fixe, the first Third Wave café to open in PetPat. Since then, Odessa has opened just around the corner from me. Hopefully, Third Wave cafés can play a part in neighbourhood development.

                            In fact, been going back to some things from Jane Jacobs which resonate with people interested in urban development. Third Wave cafés make fascinating case studies as they probably have a disproportionate impact on the ways neighbourhoods change. But other cafés also play a big part.

                            Been hearing several things from café owners about the passport, including from those who didn’t take part. Some of them weren’t sure the passport was such an appropriate thing to do. Others actually contacted the people behind the passport to make sure they’d be on it. And some simply didn’t know about it.

                            Rumour has it that it’s the last year, for this passport system. Which could be sad, as it sounds like it’s quite effective. Cafés could still join forces to create something similar… or a brand new model. These cafés are part of a broader network. Many of those café owners know one another. Those who don’t were able to connect, somehow, at least through customers. Sounds like there’s an opportunity, there.

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                              Shattered Apr 30, 2013 06:17 AM

                              Why would it not be "appropriate"? Where did you hear the rumour, and why would they not do it again if it's so successful? (Besides, I get the impression in this thread this is the first time they've done it, not that it's become an annual thing.)

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                                alinemramos Apr 30, 2013 07:40 AM

                                If you check out this other thread ( http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/896374 ), you will see that the passport is new to Montreal indeed, but it has existed for some time in other places (namely: Ottawa, where it had its premiere in 2012, and Toronto - since 2010, I think), so it was potentially to become an annual thing here as well.

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                                  Enkerli May 1, 2013 03:51 AM

                                  Shattered: As others have told you, it’s not the first year it’s been done but café owners in Montreal didn’t necessarily realize it was successful.

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                                  catroast Apr 30, 2013 06:28 AM

                                  a disproportionate impact on the ways neighbourhoods change?

                                  care to offer up a mechanism? you're assigning them undue importance. rather, overpriced coffee shops are a symptom of urban renewal. It could also be argued that they are an organic response to an overcrowded food space. these coffee shops rely on local clientele from the outset - perhaps they contribute to a shifting baseline but they aren't a nuclei for renewal. however, i find it interesting that these cafes have not been opening in wealthier districts like westmount, outremont, tmr, west island etc... they definitely target an urban, young professional crowd - which is probably a reflection on their owners.

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                                    Enkerli Apr 30, 2013 08:37 PM

                                    Doing network ethnography, I see deep processes by which cafés do a lot more than that. They serve as meeting spaces where things are discussed, planned, and sometimes implemented by people coming from specific parts of the broader network. The French Révolution was planned at Le Procope. Movements happening here are often more subtle but, together, they contribute to the richness and complexity of social change.

                                    I’m using “change” in a broad way, not specifically about renewal. Or even about directed processes. I’m talking about how communities morph. A neighbourhood doesn’t mean the same thing when its community members take on new roles.

                                    Gentrification might be part of a way a neighbourhood changes (we do see that in PetPat, including with MileEx real estate bubbling up). But I’m more interested in subtle patterns, like that of Mile-Enders moving north of the tracks and opening businesses around here. That’s not really gentrification, at least not in the classical sense. It does have an impact on linguistic diversity (less Spanish and Italian spoken, more English). But it’s not just one thing, going on. It’s part of a complex change, with many actors.

                                    And I do find that these specific spots are a bigger part of the story than one might assume. “Disproportionate” doesn’t mean “overwhelming” or “determining”. I was talking about weak signals. What connects Odessa and Fixe isn’t much. Some may say they’re competitors, though it’s very unlikely that the regular at one place could have been a regular at the other place. Yet they’re really not far in the network. They do have “friends in common”, despite the fact that they’re on the edge of the Third Wave coffeescene. Sure, anything planned by the CDEC/RPP will have a larger impact than any number of cafés can have. Although… The longterm impact often comes from these simple little things emerging, including the way people start describing coffee at diverse places.

                                    Which is something I’ve observed, quite a few times. Myriade’s role hasn’t been to serve as a hub for ConU’s “Hipsters” or to improve the appearance of a protected building. It’s been to trigger a few chain reactions, the effects of which are noticeable while observing cafés. Phyllis Lambert has been doing a lot to make sure the “Concordia Ghetto” doesn’t become like an actual ghetto and Concordia itself may finally start to shift away from its “settlement pattern”. Myriade has a less obvious impact. But still disproportionate to their level of activity as a business.

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                                      Shattered Apr 30, 2013 09:41 PM

                                      Still didn't answer my question: Why some owners don't consider the passport "appropriate" - and more importantly, if you actually got that from the horses' mouths or it's just another personal theory of yours?

                                      Bonus points if you can explain in less than 5000 words and without making reference to your degree.

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                                        Enkerli May 1, 2013 03:49 AM

                                        Shattered: Café owners said they weren’t sure the program was serious enough.

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                                          JerkPork May 1, 2013 05:08 AM

                                          lol @ Shattered

                                          I can't wait until these coffee shops are all across the island (burbs included) because they do what they do so incredibly well and hopefully shut down all the burnt tasting Starbucks and the likes.

                                          To me it's not about hipsters or a specific demographic, it's just amazing coffee.

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                                      AlexCV May 1, 2013 06:43 AM

                                      Arg, I hadn't refreshed and posted this after @enkerli had done a much better job.

                                      I think it's the 3rd space aspect of the coffee shop that @enkerli is referring to.

                                      Chain coffee shop usually have that "dead" feel to them. They are purveyor of a need but not a meeting place per se (students with laptops excluded). I can't see myself going to a Second Cup or Van Houtte to meet friends. Certainly not to hang out there once I do meet them.

                                      Most of the 3rd wave places are more pleasant and so can act as social gathering place tying the neighborhood together socially. Like a good bar.

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                              JerkPork May 13, 2013 09:59 AM

                              I read somewhere on Twitter yesterday that there will be a new coffee shop opening up on Monkland in the coming weeks that will be serving up the good stuff.

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                                EaterBob May 13, 2013 01:40 PM

                                I can't help but laughing over on this thread
                                http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/8873... there was a specific request for detail when mentioning a place.

                                JerkPork you win the prize for most vague post. At least until someone pipes up that they read "somewhere on social media" that there is some new restaurant opening somewhere. You do get points for specifying Monkland. It is not THAT long of a street.

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                                  JerkPork May 14, 2013 05:12 AM

                                  From Twitter user @eskcoffee 11 May
                                  great news ! A progressive cafe will be opening on Monkland by mid june. No cafe's or retail clients as of now. Stay tuned!

                                  Chill out, I'm just the messenger, go ask @eskcoffee yourself about the details. Geez! Why would I make up a story about a coffee shop opening up?!?!?!

                                  Shattered, I don't consider Starbucks and Second Cup "good stuff", I'm only in that area once in awhile but I don't believe there's any decent coffee.

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                                    EaterBob May 14, 2013 05:54 AM

                                    You may be "just the messenger," but as I said, I wouldn't consider something that vague news.

                                    If the tweet had a date, and address or better still both, now that would be worthwhile and interesting.

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                                      kpzoo May 14, 2013 06:24 PM

                                      https://twitter.com/eskcoffee/status/...
                                      posted 11 May 13, 12:39 PM

                                      There are a few empty storefronts it could be. Of course, all are free to ask Eskcoffee where, precisely. :-)

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                                        kpzoo May 14, 2013 06:28 PM

                                        Ooops - I should have finished reading the thread, never mind - I see where it's going to be located. :-)

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                                  eat2much May 13, 2013 05:15 PM

                                  A search of witter shows nothing about Monkland....

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                                    Shattered May 13, 2013 05:45 PM

                                    It's the implication that "the good stuff" is impossible to find on/around Monkland that cracks me up. Keeping in mind I live across town, I've been there and my impression is it's probably the most upscale street commercial west of Decarie and one of the nicer areas, so I find that kinda hard to believe.

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                                      catroast May 13, 2013 05:49 PM

                                      monkland isn't that great of a stretch bro.

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                                        Simon Patrice May 13, 2013 06:32 PM

                                        If that can help, Anthony from Myriade was saying that great coffee was coming to Monkland soon. Yes, on Twitter. And yes, it still is plenty vague. At least, we know a tweet does exist about it. If anyone has detailed info, that would be helpful. But since I moved out of NDG two years ago, I'm almost hoping it won't be that good :P

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                                          williej May 13, 2013 07:55 PM

                                          So is it Myriade that is coming to Monkland? Maybe in the old JavaU space (if it hasn't been taken yet)? Or the new condo building going up further west?

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                                            Simon Patrice May 13, 2013 08:24 PM

                                            No, I wouldn't think so. "Excited that Monkland is getting an influx of great coffee soon!" is what he wrote. Now I guess we'll just have to wait an see what opens up there.

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                                              roastedmontreal May 14, 2013 12:14 PM

                                              The new coffee shop is opening up next to Spice Station where Kaos Makeup was. The owner at Spice Station let me know. I'm looking forward to it!

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                                                roastedmontreal May 27, 2013 12:39 PM

                                                It's going to be opened by a young couple, not Café Myriade. This was, again, from the guy at Spice Station.

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                                            Shattered May 14, 2013 12:17 PM

                                            @ catroast: Haha. Well I did qualify my statement with "west of Decarie". It's all relative, and relatively speaking, you'd hafta pay me to live anywhere but the Plateau.

                                            @ Simon P:
                                            "Excited that Monkland is getting an influx of great coffee soon!" is what he wrote.

                                            Sounds like exactly the kind of thing one would write about one's own business to build buzz while keeping some mystery.

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                                            JerkPork May 14, 2013 09:04 AM

                                            I'm glad I could make you laugh! :)

                                            I am more than open to hear where we can currently find good coffee on Monkland. Nice area? I know Monkland is a nice area but that doesn't mean one could find good coffee, there's zero correlation.

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                                              eat2much May 14, 2013 09:24 AM

                                              With Monkland rents, they will have to provide more than just good coffee.

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                                                catroast May 14, 2013 11:07 AM

                                                is it really that bad? there's lots of crappy businesses on monkland - in fact the majority are pretty bad and can't possibly be money makers.

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                                                  kpzoo May 14, 2013 06:30 PM

                                                  On Monkland there is good coffee to be had at both TA (corner Girouard) & The Italian Pantry's cafe (corner Beaconsfield).

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                                                Shattered May 14, 2013 12:25 PM

                                                Er... I have been on Monkland only twice, other than biking through a few more times. Once at a bar fairly close to the metro, once at the Second Cup across the street from it. Hey, it beats Starbucks.

                                                You're welcome!

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                                                  catroast May 14, 2013 02:02 PM

                                                  starbucks is much better than second cup imo

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                                                    JerkPork Jul 3, 2013 10:11 AM

                                                    I was in the area a few days ago and the coffee place near Spice Station looks like it will be opening in the very near future. There sign was up but I can't remember the name of the place.

                                                    kpzoo you owe me a coffee :)
                                                    I tried your recommendation for coffee at TA and it was far from good, way too much milk and zero coffee taste even with an extra shot in there. Maybe the person just messed it up big time.

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                                                      Simon Patrice Jul 8, 2013 07:02 PM

                                                      So, any news on the new coffee shop on Monkland? I might be in the area in the next days so was wondering if I should go by Monkland.

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                                                        eat2much Jul 8, 2013 07:30 PM

                                                        Not open yet

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                                                          Simon Patrice Jul 8, 2013 07:49 PM

                                                          Thanks!

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                                                            eat2much Jul 9, 2013 07:44 AM

                                                            I walk my dogs on Monkland every morning and can report that the brown paper is no longer obscuring the windows. This would indicate that if they are not yet open it should be any day now.

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                                                              Glaff Jul 9, 2013 07:59 AM

                                                              Is it that one? https://twitter.com/MELK_monkland

                                                              15 minutes ago:
                                                              Nous sommes heureux d'annoncer que nous allons ouvrir.. AUJOURD'HUI !

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                                                                eat2much Jul 9, 2013 08:18 AM

                                                                I guess I should have said any minute now!

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                                                                  williej Jul 9, 2013 12:48 PM

                                                                  Strange name!

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                                                                    Simon Patrice Jul 10, 2013 06:55 PM

                                                                    So, I made it there today with my son. They serve (and sell by the bags) coffees from 49th parallel. Today they were serving a nice single origin espresso from Honduras and a Columbian coffee on filter. My son had a hot chocolate which he very much enjoyed (he's had hot chocolates from many cafes in Montreal and this one seemed to be in his top 3). The espresso I had was also very well done. It will be a nice addition to the neighbourhood. Too bad I don't live around there anymore...

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                                                                      williej Jul 12, 2013 03:08 PM

                                                                      Went last night. Great iced tea and the owner(s) were very nice and friendly. I hope this place does well. They said when we got there that they were only open til 9 but at 10 pm we and others were still there!

                                                                      Only negative (and it is not their fault) is that Lucille's has a table for people waiting below their terrassse and people are often smoking. Hopefully that can get worked on with good neighbourly relations.

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                                              JerkPork Aug 26, 2013 07:59 PM

                                              Mechant Cafe has just recently opened, just discovered it after Tuk Tuk recently. The serve Grumpy, a NY roaster, never had it before but and enjoyed it. Supposedly the only ones in the city currently using this roast.

                                              www.mechantcafe.com

                                              3525 Avenue Lacombe

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