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Grilling - why, why, why?

AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 09:24 AM

Drives me absolutely nuts to watch someone stabbing meat to death with a fork to turn over and over and over again on the grill. DO NOT PIERCE THE MEAT! UGH! Put it on the grill, close the lid and let it do its thing. Flip once!

Or, smashing a hamburger to death with a spatula while grilling. Leave the juice in my burger, please!

*whew* Vent over!

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  1. raytamsgv RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 12:06 PM

    I think it's a guy thing. We don't get a chance to user our spears to stab game anymore, so meat on a grill becomes a substitute. The same goes for administering a coup de grace to game with a blow to the head. We must practice on a hamburger instead. It's a primal thing.

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      cleobeach RE: raytamsgv Aug 16, 2012 06:47 AM


      My husband is guilty of "working" the grill too hard but I think it is part of his OCD.

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      redfish62 RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 12:12 PM

      You have to show that piece of meat who is the boss, and if that means stabbing it 29 times, so be it.

      1. macca RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 12:12 PM

        I'm with you all the way! A few years ago, I brought some steaks to my brothers for a cook out. he threw them on the grill, no seasoning whatsoever. Then, after he turned them over a few times ( yes, with a fork), he took a knife, and sliced through two of the steaks to test it. I still have not gotten over it- and it took all of my will power to not say a thing.

        1. ipsedixit RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 12:19 PM

          ... have to make sure it's dead.

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            Tom34 RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 12:29 PM

            I know how you feel. I hate overcooked dried out food & its so easy to avoid. Get the CLEAN grill surface good and hot .... oil the surface .... put on the protein .... when it releases flip it with tongs or spatula ..... finger press for desired doneness ..... pull and let rest. So so simple but yet so many people screw it up.

            1. Terrie H. RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 01:26 PM

              I tend to know what I'm going to be served when there aren't tongs present. I still can't convince my mother to get some proper tongs - arguments ensue every time we try and grill there. Two people stabbing a beautiful piece of grilled leg of lamb or rib roast with 4 long-pronged forks to lift it off the grill while a third holds a pan. Chaos.

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                Tom34 RE: Terrie H. Aug 15, 2012 01:43 PM

                Kind of sounds like Curley, Larry & Moe.

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                  Terrie H. RE: Tom34 Aug 15, 2012 02:09 PM

                  No, it's Dad, Mom, and me. Names withheld to protect the guilty.

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                  AngelaID RE: Terrie H. Aug 15, 2012 02:02 PM

                  Oh, my goodness, I would cry!

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                    Terrie H. RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 02:18 PM

                    I usually do.

                3. paulj RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 04:00 PM

                  Does 'not piercing' actually make a difference? Just how much more juice runs out when the steak or burger is pierced? Has anyone measured it?

                  The dictum that searing 'seals in the juices' was debunked by weighing meat that was cooked various ways, and noting that searing did nothing to reduce the weight loss. I wonder if the fork v tongs dictum will stand up to similar scrutiny.

                  someone did this test in 2008

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                    steakman55 RE: paulj Aug 15, 2012 05:21 PM

                    Agree with paulj 100%. I have grilled steaks over charcoal at home for more than 50 years, and ALWAYS use a fork. I am talking prime dry aged steaks, not something cheap. Now, it generally does not have to be turned but once, but a fork does not hurt it. By the way, if you watch the food channel as I suspect most of you (us) do, take a look at those shows about the top steakhouses in NY and Chicago, and look at the cooks work. They are using forks about the size of a pitchfork.

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                      Konulu RE: steakman55 Aug 15, 2012 10:34 PM

                      I don't know about NY and Chicago, but I worked in a few good steakhouses in Calgary Alberta (cattle country) and never saw a large fork ever.

                      As for the fork thing, if you pierce the meat incessantly and constantly turn it, probably not good for a it. A few pricks with a fork, likely wont make a difference, it's not like the inside of a rare ribeye is going to become dry because you give it a few pricks with a fork when you turn it

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                        1POINT21GW RE: Konulu Aug 15, 2012 10:51 PM

                        Actually, flipping meat (when grilling it) every minute or so cooks it faster and more evenly.

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                          Konulu RE: 1POINT21GW Aug 15, 2012 11:02 PM

                          Not as quickly as searing it and putting in an oven, which in my experience is common for service in some non steakhouses. In steakhouses grillmarks are often prized as a quality mark so constant flipping will ruin the pattern or not allow it to form.

                          When I grill at home I do not flip constantly, prefering to close the lid which allows the steak to cook quickly with minimal effort.

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                      1POINT21GW RE: paulj Aug 15, 2012 10:19 PM

                      Yes, someone has measured it: Cook's Illustrated. Here's what they had to say:

                      "Virtually all moisture that is lost when meat is cooked is a result of muscle fibers contracting in the heat and squeezing out their juices. Piercing does not damage the fibers enough to cause additional juices to leak out (any more than poking a wet sponge with a fork would expel its moisture).

                      When it comes to the moisture level and tenderness of meat, cooking time and temperature are the most important factors."

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                        Chemicalkinetics RE: 1POINT21GW Aug 15, 2012 11:13 PM

                        This is true. I don't Paul was really asking a question he does not know. I think Paul was just gently putting forward the counter argument -- unlike some of us who just like to state the obvious.

                    3. cowboyardee RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 05:32 PM

                      Just an FYI - you can get away with smashing a hamburger with a spatula early on in the cooking process without any significant loss of juices. Later on in the cooking process - bad technique. Though I suppose this applies more to burgers cooked in a pan or on a griddle, since smashing a burger on the grill could push the meat through the grill grates.

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                        Chemicalkinetics RE: cowboyardee Aug 15, 2012 06:17 PM

                        <you can get away with smashing a hamburger with a spatula early on in the cooking process without any significant loss of juices>

                        This is true. Many people think that the spatula will squeeze out the blood/juice, which is true for that particular moment, but not true for the entire process. This is because some of this juice will get dip out one way or the other.

                        Similar to the myth that searing the meat will seal the juice inside the meat. Not so much. People have done experiment to prove otherwise.

                      2. Chemicalkinetics RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 06:14 PM

                        What is the problem here?

                        1. BernalKC RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 06:22 PM

                          Does it gall you when a fork is used to tenderize the steak before it hits the grill? For cheaper cuts, I will occasionally apply a dry rub then work the meat over good with a fork to tenderize and work the spices into the meat. Just depends on what I'm cooking and how I want it to come out.

                          1. 1POINT21GW RE: AngelaID Aug 15, 2012 10:08 PM

                            Actually, piercing meat with a fork does not cause any measurable additional moisture loss than if it were not pierced.

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                              Tom34 RE: 1POINT21GW Aug 16, 2012 04:34 AM

                              Agreed with steak but still use long tongs to flip. Different experience with burgers. Have seen thick burgers made from same day fresh ground beef that were pulled off the grill med rare that were stuck with a fork that squirted juice like crazy and was dry when eaten 5 or so minutes later. Identical burger cooked right next to it med rare that was not poked eaten 5 minutes later was explosive with juice when bitten into.

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