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Idyllwild Aug 13, 2012 01:30 PM

There's a plan underway to build a permanent market in San Diego along the lines of the Ferry Building Market in San Francisco. I just found out that the people who run my neighborhood farmers' market in North Park are involved in the project, and I'm really hoping they are successful. They've done a great job in North Park and made that market I really enjoy shopping at. The new market hopes to open soon downtown in an abandoned industrial building - it would be great for San Diego if they can bring something close to the Ferry Building experience. They're raising money for the project on Kickstarter.com, and it looks like they're making good progress. I'll be interested to see how the project turns out.

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    Idyllwild RE: Idyllwild Aug 13, 2012 01:33 PM

    I forgot the link. If you're interested:

    http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/9...

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      foodiechick RE: Idyllwild Aug 13, 2012 05:21 PM

      It is exciting news, isn't it? I've already donated, but thanks for posting this on the CH forum! Fingers crossed.

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      dustchick RE: Idyllwild Aug 17, 2012 10:19 AM

      Looks like it got fully funded!

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        foodiechick RE: dustchick Aug 18, 2012 01:12 PM

        The did get fully funded, but the Kiskstarter campaign for donations runs for five more days. More donations mean more amenities and vendors. I urge everyone that posts on this board to please donate, if you haven't already. I think it will be a great source of pride to be able to say that you helped establish this market!

        http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/9...

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        oerdin RE: Idyllwild Aug 17, 2012 12:10 PM

        They went over the top today. We've been following it over at the UT's forum and at City-Data's San Diego subforum.

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          beth1 RE: Idyllwild Aug 17, 2012 09:50 PM

          If this is like the SF Ferry Terminal and the Oxbow Public Market in Napa, it will be spec-freakin-tacular! I just found out about it yesterday, and I can't wait!

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            cstr RE: beth1 Aug 18, 2012 09:00 AM

            I hope it is a replication, in local food quality, selection and price, of those markets even like the ones in Seattle and Philly, it will certainly be good for SD.

          2. Beach Chick RE: Idyllwild Aug 18, 2012 06:39 AM

            This is so wonderful and thank you Catt and Dale for bringing this to SD..

            www.sdweeklymarkets.com

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              Tripeler RE: Beach Chick Aug 18, 2012 06:52 AM

              Some of the most amazing heroes (male AND female) are found in the most amazing places. Best of luck to them, and hope they enjoy the support of the public.

            2. chris2269 RE: Idyllwild Aug 18, 2012 06:58 AM

              That's such great news. Like you said if its anything close to the Ferry building experience it would be such a win for our city.

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                pickypicky RE: Idyllwild Aug 18, 2012 11:02 AM

                I'm thrilled and hoping for the best.

                1. foodiechick RE: Idyllwild Aug 18, 2012 02:51 PM

                  Great column in this morning's paper about the project.

                  http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/a...

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                    redrover RE: foodiechick Aug 24, 2012 10:12 PM

                    I visited Milwaukee this summer and visited their newly constructed public market. It's a pleasant enough place, but they made some serious mistakes. With a few exceptions (coffee), they only had one vendor selling each type of food. Presumably the vendors didn't want competition, but that's part of the essence of a place like Reading Terminal in Philadelphia or Pikes Place in Seattle, different vendors selling similar items. They also didn't have anybody selling basic produce, making it pretty much purely a tourist proposition. It was a real disappointment and I hope the folks in San Diego don't make these mistakes.

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                      cstr RE: redrover Aug 25, 2012 07:27 AM

                      I agree, if this market place doesn't have quality produce etc, with multiple vendors selling similar products/produce, it might a disappointment.

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                        DiningDiva RE: cstr Aug 25, 2012 08:26 AM

                        Look at who the principles are in this, do you really think they'll go that route when

                        1) they don't have a history of that with their existing markets
                        2) San Diego has so many farms and farmers producing stuff

                        I agree that the "one and done" approach to vendor selection would be a major drag and wouldn't server anyone's purposes.

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                          Stiflers_Mom RE: DiningDiva Aug 25, 2012 08:51 AM

                          Video from San Diego 6 with Market people and vendors. "Real farmers in a market, 6 days a week from 9-7"

                          http://www.sandiego6.com/news/sd6-in-...

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                            cstr RE: DiningDiva Aug 26, 2012 10:59 AM

                            I hope not.

                            'San Diego has so many farms and farmers producing stuff'.

                            I hope this market will allow them to show their stuff.

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                              DiningDiva RE: cstr Aug 26, 2012 12:37 PM

                              Me too

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                                ipsedixit RE: DiningDiva Aug 26, 2012 08:31 PM

                                I think the success of this market will depend alot on the fine citizens of San Diego.

                                Maybe it's a chicken and egg thing, but unless there is demand, and pressure to make it more than just a tourist destination, it won't succeed.

                                But there's always hope.

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                                  DiningDiva RE: ipsedixit Aug 26, 2012 09:33 PM

                                  So Ipse, have you moved to our fair city or are you just slumming?

                                  I think the demand is there. The region couldn't sustain 47 weekly markets if it wasn't.

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                                    ipsedixit RE: DiningDiva Aug 26, 2012 09:39 PM

                                    Moved (at least part of the time).

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                                      DiningDiva RE: ipsedixit Aug 26, 2012 10:12 PM

                                      Well...then in that case, welcome.

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                      pickypicky RE: Idyllwild Aug 25, 2012 09:02 AM

                      If I think of the Ferry Bldg -- we go for the farmers but also for the incomparable shopping inside of cheese, bread, meats, cooking antiques, restaurants. To get me downtown, a SD Public Market would have to be superlative and parking easy. Otherwise, I'll stick to my local farmers' markets. I just hope this isn't a touristy thing, but as you say, DD, look who's in charge. That's what I'm counting on.

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                        DiningDiva RE: pickypicky Aug 25, 2012 09:38 AM

                        According to a post on their FB page, the North Market in Columbus, OH was one of the early inspirations for principles - http://www.northmarket.com/ .

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                          pickypicky RE: DiningDiva Aug 25, 2012 01:30 PM

                          Thanks, DD. I don't facebook or UT. I venture that the Columbus OH downtown is more accessible than ours. I don't do Gaslamp, Petco Park, Convention Center -- and rarely even venture to Cafe Chloe. That's why I'll have to be tempted downtown.

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                            DiningDiva RE: pickypicky Aug 25, 2012 03:23 PM

                            Barrio Logan is South of all those areas...thing underneath and close to where the I-5 and Coronado bridge come together. South and West from Golden Hills. There is already some LONG delayed urban renewal going on there and if this public market really flies it'll be a very good thing for every one. Less congested than LI, Gaslamp, downtown, etc.

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                              pickypicky RE: DiningDiva Aug 25, 2012 03:56 PM

                              Is there easy access from I5? Parking?

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                                bizzwriter RE: pickypicky Aug 25, 2012 04:36 PM

                                The address is 1735 National, San Diego (google map it). SUPER easy access off I-5, not quite so easy getting back onto the 5. Looks like they have lots of parking planned (see attached graphic).

                                What's weird is that it will only be a farmer's market two days a week -- at least initially. The other days will be "artisans and specialty goodsmakers (dressmakers, jewelers, furniture designers)."

                                If that's the case, I'll likely stick with my local farmer's markets (PB and LJ).

                                 
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                                  pickypicky RE: bizzwriter Aug 25, 2012 05:48 PM

                                  thanks for the details. I'd looked at their site but can't picture the area from the map since I know so little of that part of SD. If they can score vendors as incredible (or half as incredible) as Ferry -- cheese, bread, meat, olives, spices-- there would be a reason to go. a one-stop shop.

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                                    DiningDiva RE: pickypicky Sep 3, 2012 03:47 PM

                                    Well, looks like we'll all get our chance to see what they have in mind sooner than later. First Wednesday market will be Sept. 12th. Even more info at the link below

                                    http://sandiegodowntownnews.com/san-d...

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                                      pickypicky RE: DiningDiva Sep 4, 2012 06:51 AM

                                      thanks, DD! they're not wasting any time, which is good news.

                      2. chris2269 RE: Idyllwild Sep 4, 2012 12:36 PM

                        I would not judge the final project on the Sept. opening. I would give it 6 months or more once they get the permanent venders in and once the market has been established. The Ferry building is one of my favorite things in the world if we get something half as good as Cow Girl Creamery or Hog Island I will be a happy boy. I wish them all the best.

                        I also have to disagree with some of the touristy Comments. The Ferry Building does not survive on locals ..it's a tourist destination and as someone who does not live in SF that's me and a lot of you. Neither will this place. Do not get me wrong if it turns into a second Sea Port village I agree but visitors will be the back bone.

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                          ipsedixit RE: chris2269 Sep 5, 2012 07:49 AM

                          RE: tourists.

                          Of course you're right that for the SDPM to survive and thrive it will need the tourist dollars. But that's different than having SDPM be another Seaport Village, right?

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                            chris2269 RE: ipsedixit Sep 5, 2012 08:31 AM

                            Well yes if the anchor tenants are Subway and Cold Stone I agree its not different from Seaport.. If they are artisan purveyors....well that"s at least what I think everyone is hoping for it can be better.

                            look there is a farmers market 5 mins from my home every Thursday. Why would I drive 40 plus miles from North County? It's all about the permanent shops if they want to succeed because I would drive or take the coaster to eat great food, cheese, and drink wine.

                        2. Beach Chick RE: Idyllwild Sep 5, 2012 08:59 AM

                          Am I missing where there is a tenant list of vendors?
                          It would be nice to find something on their website/facebook as to whom and what is going in.
                          Is it one big farmers market or is going to be fashioned after the beloved Ferry building?
                          Agree, that we all have access to fab farmers market throughout the County and I live in North County too and I'm not driving 30+ miles each way for what I can get at my local FM.
                          I would drive the distance, if I knew there were small quality permanent shops with high end food vendors.

                          1. foodiechick RE: Idyllwild Sep 5, 2012 10:06 AM

                            There has been a ton of press on this new venture, and I think most of the coverage has been fairly detailed about their plans. They are kicking off the opening this month by starting with two weekly farrmers markets on Wednesdays and Sundays. As they spend the time and $$$ to finish out the building process many elements will be slowly added before the anticipated culmination next spring.

                            They are installing a large commercial kitchen and food prep/refrigeration area which will allow them to meet handling guidelines to have fresh fish and meat purveyors (standards for sales in commercial buildings are much higher than for open air farmers markets), as well as hosting cooking classes, dinners, etc. Many of our finest local chefs have already been to the sight for a walk through and expressed enthusiasm for participating and working with the local farmers in these kinds of events. They will also be adding sellers in a more permanent market setting (i.e. artisan chocolates, cheese, cured meats, as well as other kinds of artists whose wares would fit into this food related setting). There are a couple of smaller building on the property that they are thinking of using for wellness/yoga type of things. A large exterior courtyard could possibly become a regular food truck court.

                            If you know anything about the two women involved, you know that there would not be anything resembling a national chain like Subway or Cold Stone...this will definitely not be Seaport-esque.

                            I think this is one of the most exciting things to happen to San Diego in terms of food culture. I know that my doubtful nature and snarky remarks regarding restaurants (especially the "fabric" chain) can top the charts sometimes, but I am a little surprised at the reaction on this board to this venture - especially given the track record and pedigree of the forces behind it. Seems like vultures picking the beast apart before it has even been birthed. Granted, it is going to take some time for all the elements to fall into place, and some patience on our part to give the operators a chance to finish building their vision, but I think this will be great addition to the city.

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                              Beach Chick RE: foodiechick Sep 5, 2012 10:35 AM

                              There is no question the class act of Catt and Dale.
                              I just read on another website this: Ian Anderson | Downtown News

                              'Phase one will begin the biweekly farmers’ market, initially housed in a vast 22,000 square foot warehouse at the front of the property.

                              The extra money raised on Kickstarter gives White and Steele a head start on refurbishing the other 70,000 square feet of office, industrial and open space. This work will be performed with the support of Steele’s husband and business partner Mark, a prominent local architect and former chairman of the San Diego Planning Commission.

                              Plans include construction of a commercial kitchen that will allow vendors to prepare food on site, and offer cooking classes for kids as well as adults. An outdoor area with a view of the Coronado Bridge may act as a food truck hub. Four adjacent cottages will be converted for use as art galleries, yoga studios and/or cafés. An Urban Farm Lab will offer classes on such topics as seasonal planting and composting.

                              The Coronado Bridge provides backdrop for an outdoor area, set to house mobile food trucks.

                              A second, larger warehouse will open in the spring, allowing some local vendors to set-up shop for extended hours in permanent stalls. Talks are also underway to bring in local artisans who would make pottery, bread, cheese and cured meats on site, and a number of top local chefs have expressed interest in bringing their culinary talents into the fold.

                              Though logistics and municipal code both limit how fresh meat and fish may be sold at street markets, refrigeration capabilities will eventually be installed to allow for a more direct and immediate marketing of locally sourced perishable goods.

                              Ultimately, the San Diego Public Market will give residents a centralized location to find a variety of fresh, locally produced food, six days a week. More than that, White and Steele hope it will create a vibrant culture, attracting tourism and allowing for an exchange of efforts and ideas among the local food community.'

                              I just thought it was more finalized on food vendors and not an 'expressed' interest.
                              Wishing them only the best for next weeks opening.

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                                inaplasticcup RE: Beach Chick Sep 5, 2012 11:04 AM

                                Exciting stuff! Thanks for the update, BC. :)

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                                DiningDiva RE: foodiechick Sep 5, 2012 11:23 AM

                                I couldn't agree with you more! If anyone can create something exciting and viable it's going to be these 2 women. I think we sometimes get so caught up in berating food in SD that we sometimes miss the forest because we're too busy flogging the tree. As with any new venture there will be hiccups in their path, but I think in the long run it will be sometime very positive of which the city can be proud.

                                I wonder if indie cooking instructors - i.e. not chefs or local cooking instructors - will be able to rent the kitchen space for classes.

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                                  cstr RE: foodiechick Sep 6, 2012 06:44 AM

                                  I think they're very smart to start the farmers market portion with two days a week. It'll give them time to measure and plan for their next expansion steps. I also think that the growers would be cautious of putting all the eggs in one basket as well, as the two days would be a good commencement on their venture with the market place. I hope they get some great purveyors of meat, poultry, fish and speciality products such as cheeses, dry sausages etc.

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                                  pickypicky RE: Idyllwild Sep 6, 2012 08:11 AM

                                  Best news above for me-- since I know there won't be a Cowgirl Creamery or Acme-- is a food truck court. Maybe now I'll taste what yall have been raving about. That alone might drag me downtown, with the farmers as a cherry on top. (CUZ I love my weekly farmers' markets.) As far as commercial vendors, I wouldn't mind a Peets or a decent local roaster. Or a Bread & Cie outlet. Or a decent cookery shop. . . . Or a place to buy provencal linens. . . . (Again, U-T readers and others: thanks for relaying info here.)

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                                    jayporter RE: pickypicky Sep 6, 2012 08:40 AM

                                    I don't know whether there will be a roaster in the PubMark (ok I just made that nickname up), but there is a very good roaster less than half a block away, Cafe Virtuoso. A lot of neat stuff in that area these days.

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                                      cstr RE: pickypicky Sep 6, 2012 09:09 AM

                                      An inside food court for long term vendors and a rotating food truck venue would be stellar!

                                    2. inaplasticcup RE: Idyllwild Sep 6, 2012 10:16 AM

                                      Forgive me if this has already been posted somewhere in the response thread, but for those who'd like to follow their progress on facebook:

                                      http://www.facebook.com/SanDiegoPubli...

                                      (I hope that link's not in violation of any CH policies...)

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                                        Rodzilla RE: inaplasticcup Sep 7, 2012 12:13 AM

                                        oh it likely is, but thank you for the info while it lasts :D

                                      2. Stiflers_Mom RE: Idyllwild Sep 10, 2012 09:41 AM

                                        I just noticed a Facebook update from this morning that listed some of the vendors that would be participating in Wednesday's inaugural market, but couldn't find the full list of vendors on the SDPM website.

                                        https://www.facebook.com/SanDiegoPubl...

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                                          y6y6y6 RE: Stiflers_Mom Sep 10, 2012 10:52 AM

                                          There is an SDPM website?

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                                            Cathy RE: y6y6y6 Sep 10, 2012 12:36 PM

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                                              Stiflers_Mom RE: y6y6y6 Sep 10, 2012 01:27 PM

                                              http://www.sandiegopublicmarket.com/

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                                              Idyllwild RE: Stiflers_Mom Sep 10, 2012 11:34 PM

                                              Typically, farmers' markets don't have a full list of vendors because the lineup tends to change from week to week, even at large, established markets. Weather, seasons, and the nature of farming make it a bit unpredictable - some people hate that, but to me it's part of the fun.

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                                                Dagney RE: Stiflers_Mom Sep 11, 2012 10:31 AM

                                                I drove by there yesterday and the place was completely empty. Are they seriously planning on opening tomorrow? Also, I hope hope hope they have a plan in place for parking, as there was no street parking available at 3 pm.

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                                                  Idyllwild RE: Dagney Sep 12, 2012 01:21 AM

                                                  Well, pretty much all farmers' markets are empty except on market days. They set them up and take them down all in one day. In Oceanside, they do it twice in a day every Thursday.

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                                                    foodiechick RE: Dagney Sep 12, 2012 01:51 AM

                                                    Yes, it is empty. It does not begin until 9am on wednesday. And the space is only in the beginning stages of operating the concept. The first phase is the farmers market aspect, which will obviously occupy and then clear out on each FM day (leaving the space pretty empty). I also drove by last week and there was parking at 4pm. But the market runs 9am til 2pm. Can we please limit our gripes until someone has actually gone there...after it has opened...and during operating hours.

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                                                      cstr RE: foodiechick Sep 12, 2012 05:16 AM

                                                      good point foodie, most of this thread is pure speculation, no one has experienced anything yet so we should stop acting like yelpers. As for the parking, nothing is perfect, we'll deal with it.

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                                                        foodiechick RE: cstr Sep 12, 2012 11:00 AM

                                                        Thanks cstr. Posted by the Public Market this morning on FaceBook:

                                                        Curious about parking? It's EASY! Directly behind the building, located on 1735 National Avenue, runs a 2-way alley. There is LOTS of parking in a designated lot with an attendant. See you soon!

                                                2. Beach Chick RE: Idyllwild Sep 12, 2012 10:52 AM

                                                  Wishing Catt and Dale all the best on their Grand Opening today!

                                                  https://twitter.com/SDPublicMarket

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                                                    knifesavers RE: Idyllwild Sep 12, 2012 04:42 PM

                                                    Anybody went today?

                                                    Jim

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                                                      Stiflers_Mom RE: knifesavers Sep 15, 2012 07:12 AM

                                                      I checked out Wednesday’s market and they had a good turnout for opening day. There looked to be near 50 different vendors – a good mix of produce and prepared products, a few food trucks/ lunch tents, and an accordion player. I recognized most of the vendors from the Little Italy and Hillcrest markets, but had never seen the food trucks – OB Seafood or Miss Sushi – or the Casanova’s Fish Taco tent (he seemed to be killing it).

                                                      As expected, lots of improvements to be done on the two acre property, but a good start (and cash flow) by opening the Wed/Sun markets. The market building itself is very orange, open, well lit, and catches a good breeze when the four monstrous doors on both sides are open. If you are planning on eating at the market, they had a number of dining tables set up near the food trucks. For parking, I used the alley lot right behind the main building. While street parking was pretty sparse on Wednesday, if you drive one block over to Newton, there is tons of street parking across from the elementary school. Given the industrial nature of the neighborhood and the lack or residential buildings surrounding the market, I am guessing there will be ample parking on Newton for the Sunday morning markets.

                                                      For me, I will probably use the Wednesday market for lunch and a mid-week produce run, as I work downtown. Definitely worth checking out, lots of potential.

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                                                        Rodzilla RE: Stiflers_Mom Sep 16, 2012 04:34 AM

                                                        thanks for the report!

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                                                        Idyllwild RE: knifesavers Sep 17, 2012 09:20 AM

                                                        I went on Sunday and I like what they're doing so far. I arrived mid morning and found street parking right in front of the market. There's also a parking lot behind the building. The huge building is painted bright orange, green and yellow, so it really pops out in a neighborhood with a lot of gray. The inside of the building is as drab as the outside is bright, and there are many remnants of it's previous life as a boiler shop. If you feel the need to wander about the building looking at the old equipment, watch your step - easy to stub a toe or trip.

                                                        There was a very good selection of produce and other foods - quite a few vendors I'd seen at other farmers' markets but some that were new to me as well. I stocked up on my usual favorites, squash, eggplant, tomatoes, fennel, garlic, and also picked up some Chinese long beans and bitter melon from a farm that seemed to specialize in Asian vegetables. The last time I cooked bitter melon didn't turn out too great, but I'm curious to try it again.
                                                        Carlsbad aquafarms was there shucking fresh oysters - I don't eat raw oysters myself due to health issues, but other people seemed to be really liking them.
                                                        There were a few things missing that I'd like to see - would love it if they got a good selection of California olives. And I wish someone was cooking egg sandwiches or burritos with fresh market eggs.
                                                        I held out til close to lunch time and got some shrimp tacos from a booth called Cassanovas. A two taco plate was $9, so a bit more than I usually pay at a mariscos truck, but they were quite tasty with a good salsa fresca and I was more than full after finishing - and I have a pretty healthy appetite.
                                                        I'm also happy they have Cafe Virtuoso there making coffee. Never had anything but a great cup from them.
                                                        All in all, it was a nice, medium sized market - not as big as Hillcrest or Little Italy, but for me that's an advantage - although the Hillcrest market has great vendors, it's just too crowded and chaotic for my tastes, so I'm glad to have a more relaxing option on Sunday mornings.
                                                        The crowd seemed to be more local folks and curious foodies than tourists, but I suspect tourists will soon discover it. It would be great if it becomes a sort of counterpoint to Seaport Village - a place where visitors could experience some of the best flavors of San Diego from small businesses that use local produce, seafood, etc. Looking forward to seeing how it develops.

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                                                          DiningDiva RE: Idyllwild Sep 17, 2012 10:54 AM

                                                          The Asian produce vendor is most likely Vang's and I love, love, love their produce. During the summer months they have some of the absolute sweetest cherry tomatoes I've every eaten and their swiss chard ain't bad either.

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                                                            Ms. Verde RE: DiningDiva Sep 23, 2012 11:34 AM

                                                            Made our way to the new SDPM around 10AM Sunday for our first visit. Good number of stalls with a nice mix of produce and pre-made items--not too many non-food venders. We enjoyed the Casanova fish tacos and an indian curry vendor. The Asian produce vender had beautiful long beans, greens and eggplants. We're looking forward to some of that eggplant grilled later this week. It looks like it's off to a good start! From North Park/Morely Field it was super easy to get to and less parking hassles than the Hillcrest FM.

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                                                              phee RE: Ms. Verde Sep 23, 2012 12:09 PM

                                                              I was there this morning, too - got there when they opened. Picked up some lovely produce and the most amazing garlic cream sauce. I love that there is less "fluff" here - only one jewelry vendor, one for dog-related items, one for flowers, and just about everything else was fresh or prepared foods. If they expand further, it would be great to see other types of vendors, but I'm happy they've put the emphasis on food for now.

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                                                        pickypicky RE: Idyllwild Sep 26, 2012 05:42 AM

                                                        Friend and I may go to market today. What are lunch options on Wednesdays? And where is the best place to get information on the SDPM?

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                                                          phee RE: pickypicky Sep 26, 2012 07:32 AM

                                                          Can't speak to the lunch options on Wednesdays, but there were several areas preparing food when I was there Sunday morning. If nothing floats your boat, you're not far from good spots in East Village or even South Park. And don't forget Tacos el Paisa, which is even closer.

                                                          As far as info about the market, I'm assuming you mean other than what you can glean online from their website or Facebook page. There's a guy who was telling a few folks about the future of the market - he's stationed close to the front. And there was a table at the north door where they were handing out info and answering questions.

                                                          Keep in mind, it's in its infancy stages; but when you're there, you'll realize it has such potential!

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                                                            pickypicky RE: phee Sep 26, 2012 08:10 AM

                                                            Thanks, Phee. We want to check it out and be supportive. We'll keep expectations in check. Glad you reminded me that El Paisa is close. I'm not on FB, so I did wonder if their website was as current as their FB page. . .

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                                                              Stiflers_Mom RE: pickypicky Sep 26, 2012 09:25 AM

                                                              Last Wednesday, there was the fish taco guy, a sushi food truck, an Indian food vendor, and a crepe guy within the market. There was also a good selection of prepared goods - Baba Foods, tamales, etc. as well as oysters on the half-shell from Carlsbad Aquafarms.

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                                                                Dagney RE: Stiflers_Mom Sep 26, 2012 10:04 AM

                                                                There is a real good Birria place on Newton. I want to say....1600 Newton Avenue.

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                                                          pickypicky RE: Idyllwild Sep 26, 2012 05:12 PM

                                                          Went today (WED.) Mixed experience. Familiar vendors, good to see. A few new ones for me as well. The atmosphere was festive, and there were lots of people, outsiders and neighborhood. I was happy to hear two vendors discussing --pastured-- eggs and bought some. A year ago, I couldn't find them in the markets. Hooray!

                                                          On a less-than-perfect note, my friend wasn't happy. She mentioned that many of the vendors were pushier than normal. When she wanted to study something (pies, vegs) the vendors came on too strong for her; much more so than at other markets, she said. (I felt it too) She felt pressured and didn't buy as much as she'd planned. Also, we'd intended to eat lunch there. I misunderstood there would be food trucks and an outdoor dining area with picnic tables. There was 1 food truck, and the few tables inside were full. We did not eat there because there was no place to sit. I did buy some East African pastries to take out. Samosas?

                                                          I would go back. My friend said absolutely not. She saw no reason to drive all that way to buy the same things her other markets have -- with an added attitude. I reminded her that it's early yet. But she is pickypickypicky.

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                                                            cstr RE: pickypicky Sep 27, 2012 03:56 AM

                                                            Early or not, no excuse for rude vendors.

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                                                              pickypicky RE: cstr Sep 27, 2012 06:28 AM

                                                              wouldn't say rude. pushy? over-zealous? it's just awkward when you're trying to shop and compare.

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                                                                cstr RE: pickypicky Sep 27, 2012 06:37 AM

                                                                Pushy maybe acceptable with a salesman on a used car lot but, if someone were pushy to me at a FM?? that's IMO rude, guess I'm picky!

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                                                              phee RE: pickypicky Sep 27, 2012 09:32 AM

                                                              I noticed a bit of that, especially since I arrived first thing Sunday morning. I never have a problem just saying, "I'd really just like to look right now before I decide what I'm buying." If they continue, I walk away. I've experienced this at several farmer's markets, even those that have been around a while.

                                                            3. inaplasticcup RE: Idyllwild Oct 17, 2012 06:11 PM

                                                              First visit today. Not sure if the same vendors were there who have been in the past, but if they were, I have a different take on the aggressiveness, which I read to be more of an eagerness to show their wares, specially with this being a fledgling market. But I do understand how that can dampen the shopping experience. I also generally like to be left alone to peruse until I'm ready to buy.

                                                              That said, I was really pleased with my experience with a particular vendor from Bonsall (or was it Fallbrook?), I think it was - can't remember their name completely, but I think it had the name Luis in it - who was selling a few of the more exotic items to be found there including pineapple guava, sapote, strawberry guava, fresh macadamias, who was very friendly and eager to offer samples.

                                                              I ended up buying some sapotes, persimmons, and macadamias from him, and that experience made a first trip down from Oceanside worth it.

                                                              I was also glad there weren't that many non-food vendors, but who knows what that ratio will be when the dust settles.

                                                              I'd have to agree with the folks who say the market has a ways to go yet, but it is an interesting space with a lot of potential, and I hope the Wed and Sunday markets help keep it afloat while they work to get it there.

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                                                                pickypicky RE: inaplasticcup Oct 17, 2012 08:43 PM

                                                                Glad you had a good experience. Thinking back -- as I've visited other markets since -- one thing I disliked was the dark. The hall does not make the best venue for viewing produce. I realized it later, visiting the Tues PB market, which is fast becoming a favorite. I wish the Public Market could use the outdoor spaces in the back alley, some how. Not bitching, just wishing.

                                                                I left my wallet at the stand of a small vendor space. The woman whose booth it was chased me down to return it. THAT is the #1 memory I'll take from the SD Public Market.

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                                                                  inaplasticcup RE: pickypicky Oct 18, 2012 04:40 AM

                                                                  I think I know what you mean. The insides of the structures could certainly benefit from a bright, warm colored paint job, which would not only spruce up the space but show the produce better.

                                                                  Thanks for the heads up on the PB market. Haven't visited that one yet, but it's on the list now. :)

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                                                                  wrldtrvl RE: inaplasticcup Oct 18, 2012 08:34 PM

                                                                  I went to the new Public Market for the first time Wednesday as well. The huge positives for me, over the Hillcrest market, which I used to go to often, are easy parking and plenty of space. Seems like many of the vendors were familiar. I saw and purchased some great produce. Very disappointed with a couple of the prepared food vendors--especially the East Africa one (I love East African food). I waited in line for a while, made four choices (two each for me and for my son) from the posted menu (which had no prices??) and they had none of those four choices nor did they have any injera. The other prepared food vendors just seemed pretty pricey. We had some sushi from Miss Sushi and I thought it was very tastey for food truck sushi. Overall, it seemed that the baked goods were the strongest item at the Public Market. I will go back, at this point mainly because of the great parking and lack of crowds.

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                                                                    Stiflers_Mom RE: inaplasticcup Nov 8, 2012 08:46 AM

                                                                    I went yesterday and had a great sandwich at Supernatural Sandwiches. They are a new biz and only open at the market on Wed/Sun for now. $8-10 bucks for a seafood themed sandwich http://www.supernaturalsandwiches.com...

                                                                    On a side note, it was the first time I had visited the market since late September. Maybe it was because it was a Wednesday, but there was a markedly lower turnout on both the vendor and customer side of the equation. Has anyone heard anything about the progress on the market?

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                                                                      inaplasticcup RE: Stiflers_Mom Nov 8, 2012 08:58 AM

                                                                      Have you checked out their facebook page? Seems to give the most current info on what's shakin' over there.

                                                                      http://www.facebook.com/SanDiegoPubli...

                                                                  2. phee RE: Idyllwild Feb 19, 2013 11:38 AM

                                                                    If you haven't been lately, go check out their plans for expansion. They're leasing 3/4 of the block on National and about 2/3 of the block on Newton, with plans for a plaza, permanent vendor spaces with demos, moving the farmers market outside, commercial kitchen, and so much more. They're patterning it off other cities' public markets, with Minneapolis as posted examples. ETA for completion is this summer, and it looks pretty exciting.

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                                                                      chris2269 RE: phee Feb 19, 2013 04:24 PM

                                                                      Yeah I went a month ago and was not that impressed....but all great things take time. I think they are working hard and in a year...year and a half it will be rocking it.

                                                                      Good news about the expansion too. I would love to see a dozen permanent purveyors indoors with an expansion of Farmarkateers (Yep just made that up) in the out door space.

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                                                                        cstr RE: chris2269 Feb 20, 2013 09:29 AM

                                                                        They were on KUSI this am discussing the expansion.

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                                                                        Stiflers_Mom RE: phee May 17, 2013 11:18 AM

                                                                        Went by the public market Sunday morning and saw maybe 10-15 vendors tops - I saw on their FB page that they are cutting their Wednesday hours and selling paver bricks for $500 to raise capital.

                                                                        Anyone have any recent scoop on this place?

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                                                                          cstr RE: Stiflers_Mom May 18, 2013 07:16 PM

                                                                          This doesn't appear to be good, any idea what's happening?

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