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lhenry Aug 4, 2012 09:29 PM

Thanks you for all of your suggestions on my previous post. I have taken into consideration all of your comments into my new list.

Day 1:
Arrive

Dinner at Bouchon

Day 2:

Lunch at Pizzeria Mozzo

Dinner at Tacos Por Favor (Santa Monica)

Day 3:

Lunch at The Grill on The Alley

Dinner at Dan Tana's

Day 4:

Lunch at Garden Terrace Café

Dinner at Malibu Seafood

Day 5:

Lunch at The Ivy

Dinner at Matsuhisa

Day 6:

Lunch at Nate 'n Al

Depart

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  1. J.L. RE: lhenry Aug 4, 2012 09:47 PM

    If you have the means, reserve seats in the private omakase room at Matsuhisa instead of the main dining room.

    You'll be deprived of some celeb sightings, sure (you'll get plenty of close encounters at The Ivy for lunch). BUT the food is better in the omakase room.

    1. wienermobile RE: lhenry Aug 4, 2012 10:27 PM

      You might want to trade Nate n Al's for Langer's Deli Pastrami on Rye Heaven. (open till 4pm and closed Sundays). only 20 about minutes from Beverly Hills and you won't be sorry.
      http://www.langersdeli.com

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        westsidegal RE: wienermobile Aug 4, 2012 10:59 PM

        if their departure is from LAX,
        methinks the nate 'n al's choice may be a better choice:
        especially so if their luggage will be in their car during this meal.

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          New Trial RE: westsidegal Aug 4, 2012 11:26 PM

          Langer's offers a dedicated (and validated) lot with attendants. Nate 'n Al's does not so public parking is inevitable. While certainly closer to LAX, the difference is not that significant to justify missing one of the great pastrami sandwiches going. If the OP dosen't want pastrami, that would be another matter.

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            Dirtywextraolives RE: New Trial Aug 5, 2012 08:41 AM

            Isn't the OP from NY? I would skip both.

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              latindancer RE: New Trial Aug 5, 2012 11:21 AM

              ''Nate 'n Al's does not so public parking is inevitable."

              Beverly HIlls has free 2 hour parking every few blocks. There's one next to Crate n Barrel on Beverly that is very close to Nate 'n Al's.
              Easy.

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                New Trial RE: latindancer Aug 5, 2012 07:21 PM

                No argument on that point; however, the issue being addressed was the argument that Nate 'n Al's was a better choice than Langer's as the OP would have luggage in the car. If that is a concern, an attended lot offers more comfort than a public garage.

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                  latindancer RE: New Trial Aug 7, 2012 07:57 AM

                  I completely agree.

                  I'd eat at Langer's everyday if I had the choice. I've always been lucky enough to park on the street and would never, really, feel I'd have a problem with a carload of luggage. That's just me.

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                    wienermobile RE: latindancer Aug 7, 2012 12:07 PM

                    They have a free attended parking lot one block east of Langer's Deli on 7th Street and Westlake.

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          lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 07:02 AM

          We leave Long Beach Airport at 5:00 P.M.

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            A5 KOBE RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 09:32 AM

            Lunch at Langer's is definitely worth it. Or lunch at Milo and Olive, Tsujita, or Umami Burger are better options than Nate n Al's.

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            Dirtywextraolives RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 08:42 AM

            Double check the hours by calling some of the places, not relying on yelp. For instance it lists that Malibu Seafood is open Mondays, and unless that is a recent policy change, it's not. Also, it is a much better place for lunch, when you won't have to deal with northbound PCH traffic, driving in the dark and wondering where the heck the place is, it's waaay up there. You may even go right by it, it is basically a shack on the side of the road. At least at lunchtime you could enjoy the ocean view.

            And just know, that after a dinner at Bouchon and then lunch at Mozza, TPF will be kind of a let down. Food is good though, it's just dumpy in a dumpy area.

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              lhenry RE: Dirtywextraolives Aug 5, 2012 09:49 AM

              What is a good Mexican restaurant in Santa Monica or the west side? By the way I don't use yelp

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                Mr Taster RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 10:08 AM

                Monte Alban.

                Mr Taster

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                  Dirtywextraolives RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 01:15 PM

                  It depends on where you want to be. If you want delicious & authentic, it'll be a place like Monte Alban or Lares, in west LA, in a non descript area.

                  If you want the tourist scene, there are a few down by the Promenade and surrounding streets. Border Grill is decent, Mercado seems to have mixed reviews, and a new Loteria Grill is on the Promenade.

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                    Dirtywextraolives RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 01:24 PM

                    It kind of depends whe you want to be. If you want authentic & delicious, then Monte Alban or Lares are good choices, but further east of samo in west la. MA is in a small strip mall.

                    If you want a touristy scene, then there are a few on and around the Promenade. Border Grill is decent, Mercado has mixed reviews, and a new Loteria grill just opened on the 3rd st promenade.

                2. Mr Taster RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 09:44 AM

                  This post makes me sad.

                  Mr Taster

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                    Ciao Bob RE: Mr Taster Aug 6, 2012 10:18 AM

                    I know what you mean...you can lead a horse to water

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                    Thor123 RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 09:47 AM

                    At Dan Tanas make sure to request the front bar room. My favorite dishes are the steak and peppers or chicken beckerman (dark meat). You will enjoy.

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                      Dirtywextraolives RE: Thor123 Aug 5, 2012 01:16 PM

                      But don't expect to get it ;D) they have a lot of regulars. I love the vel chop & parmigiana, and the shrimp parm. The steak is excellent too.

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                      lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 10:21 AM

                      How about Lotería Grill?

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                        vegetablelasagna RE: lhenry Aug 5, 2012 04:55 PM

                        Tacos Por Favor?

                        Por favor don't go there. Try El Super Taco instead for AWESOME Westside tacos, or El Cholo if you want more of an old-school LA Mexican restaurant experience. And yeah, definitely Langer's over Nate 'n Al's. You can take the 110 to the 105 to the 405 to get to Long Beach, which might save you 405 headaches.

                        Also, The Grill and Dan Tana's seem redundant, though I do like the food at both. Are you an agent? If not, no reason to lunch at The Grill. Same with The Ivy, unless you're paying for paparazzi. While you're here, why not try Pacific Dining Car or Cut? Or Mezze or Caioti Pizza or Ink or WP24? Point is, there are way better options. In any case, please enjoy, and definitely keep us posted (I for one like living vicariously through people's food experiences, as I'm certain others here do as well...)

                        PS -- You might want to reverse the order on Day 2. Mozza (not Mozzo btw) has both killer pizza and other dishes as well.

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                          Servorg RE: vegetablelasagna Aug 6, 2012 11:28 AM

                          I have to disagree with El Cholo, especially the Santa Monica location (but the other locations are no great shakes either). Another good west side choice for Mexican food is Tacomiendo. I go to the location on Gateway Blvd. at least every other week.

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                            Thor123 RE: vegetablelasagna Aug 6, 2012 11:40 AM

                            I would definately goDan Tanas over the Grill. The patio at Ivy is a unique LA experience and I think the food and service is significantly under rated. Pacific Dining Car? Really?

                            As for Mexican, also on Gateway is Tlapazola Grill, which is quite good.

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                              maudies5 RE: Thor123 Aug 6, 2012 11:41 AM

                              I agree with Thor 123.

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                              Thor123 RE: vegetablelasagna Aug 6, 2012 11:43 AM

                              Vegetablelasagna: Have you tried Billingsly's? Almost as tired as Pacific Dining Car.

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                              lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 12:08 PM

                              Why isn't it good to go to both Dan tanas and the grill?

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                                Thor123 RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 12:23 PM

                                I didnt say that. I think they are distinctly different and both good. I just said that if I were to pick one or the other, it would be Dan Tanas. I would far prefer The Grill to Pacific Dining Car.

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                                  lhenry RE: Thor123 Aug 6, 2012 12:34 PM

                                  Okay thanks for clearing that up! I'll be eating at both places.

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                                    Thor123 RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 12:47 PM

                                    I would mention that unless you are going to have salad at the Grill, you have two pretty heavy meals in one day with The Grill and Dan Tanas. If it was me, I would pick someplace else for lunch and keep Dan Tanas for dinner.

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                                      lhenry RE: Thor123 Aug 6, 2012 12:54 PM

                                      Where else on or near rodeo do you recommend for lunch?

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                                        maudies5 RE: Thor123 Aug 6, 2012 12:56 PM

                                        Salads at The Grill are great. Sounds like a good plan. A great salad at the Grill for lunch (love the Louie salads) and steak at Dan Tanas

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                                          lhenry RE: maudies5 Aug 6, 2012 01:04 PM

                                          Okay! Thanks, I'll stay with the grill and have a salad!

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                                    vegetablelasagna RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 12:48 PM

                                    @lhenry: Like I said, it just seems redundant to do both Tana's and Grill, esp same day. Tana's is more Italian but I assume you're going for an old-school Bev Hills showbiz vibe. Grill is more meat-centric/continental with an old-school Bev Hills/Wilshire Corridor industry vibe. The food is fine to good at both. Tasty, familiar, quality, if a bit boring.

                                    @Servorg: I like El Cholo, esp the one in Ktown. It's more about the history/ambiance, but certain dishes are surprisingly yummy/satisfying. The food is obviously generic LA Mexican food along the lines of Barragan's and El Arco Iris, not more authentic regional Mexican in LA, either in a taco (El Pelon, Hurache Azteca, Cactus) or restaurant (Monte Alban) milieu. I liken it to average to good red sauce Italian in Manhattan, which is something I do feel should be experienced as part of LA's food history/scene/culture. Put another way, the authenticity has more to do with LA specifically than Mexico.

                                    @Thor123: I actually prefer Cut out here and Luger's in NY, though whenever I drive past Billingsley's I find I want to go in there and check out the GILFs! (But I digress.) IMO, Pacific Dining Car has decent to pretty good food and as you put it is a "unique LA experience" (at least the downtown location), one which I personally find more interesting than The Ivy. Something that might be a happy medium is Lawry's (or on a far more casual level, Phillipe's.)

                                    (See also Musso & Frank's, Smoke House Burbank, Spago, Chasen's)

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                                      ns1 RE: vegetablelasagna Aug 6, 2012 03:03 PM

                                      re: El Cholo

                                      How much you enjoy El Cholo is directly related to how many margarita pitchers you consume

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                                        Servorg RE: ns1 Aug 6, 2012 03:04 PM

                                        When I consume that many margaritas my food doesn't taste as good coming up as it did going down (even giving a thoughtful consideration to the taste of food at El Cholo)

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                                          ns1 RE: Servorg Aug 6, 2012 03:08 PM

                                          Hopefully you will drink enough to forget about the food.

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                                    lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 12:56 PM

                                    I'm going to switch Nate 'n Als for Langers

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                                      BrewNChow RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:51 PM

                                      Very good move. I think the only thing missing from your itinerary is a stop in thaitown, koreatown or san gabriel. I just think every visitor to LA needs to hit at least one of these ethnic enclaves, if not all of them.

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                                      lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:20 PM

                                      How about The Fountain Room or Frida Instead of Tacos Por Favor?

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                                        Thor123 RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:23 PM

                                        I like Frida. Much nicer that Tacos Por Favor.

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                                          lhenry RE: Thor123 Aug 6, 2012 01:25 PM

                                          I look at Frida's Menus online and the prices aren't expensive, are the portions small?

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                                            Thor123 RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:35 PM

                                            The portions are good size. The pork dishes are particularly good.

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                                              lhenry RE: Thor123 Aug 6, 2012 01:42 PM

                                              okay thanks!

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                                              vegetablelasagna RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:43 PM

                                              I've never been to Frida's or the other place so I can't speak to the quality and allow that both could be awesome and exactly what you're looking for. That said, I do know that for Mexican food (a very broad term encompassing everything from family-owned old-school LA Mexican, hole in the wall taco trucks/stands, authentic regional cuisine restaurants, more "culturally accessible" casual places like Tacos Por Favor and Poquito Mas, and trendy Border/Loteria takes on various aspects of the cuisine) you're generally better off going somewhere East of Vine or West of the 405.

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                                          lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:44 PM

                                          Okay everyone, thanks for all of your suggestions. I think my itinerary is done for this trip. In about 2 1/2 months I'll be requesting your help again for Thanksgiving in Wailea, Maui!

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                                            vegetablelasagna RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 01:49 PM

                                            Ok, the thing about eating in Maui is you'll definitely want to go to --

                                            I kid. Happy eating, don't forget the lipitor!

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                                              lhenry RE: vegetablelasagna Aug 6, 2012 01:52 PM

                                              Haha okay!

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                                              cjla RE: lhenry Aug 6, 2012 02:27 PM

                                              Nope, you'll be posting your feedback here on this trip first, right? :)

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                                                lhenry RE: cjla Aug 6, 2012 02:41 PM

                                                Hopefully :) If I remember

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                                                  latindancer RE: lhenry Aug 7, 2012 07:51 AM

                                                  Hope your trip is a good one.

                                                  The greatest decision you've made, IMHO, is the trip to Langer's for the pastrami and the best rye bread on the planet.
                                                  Good choice.

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                                                    Mr Taster RE: latindancer Aug 7, 2012 09:15 AM

                                                    lhenry, the pastrami at Langer.'s should be most and juicy. If you order it lean, it will be dry. On a few occasions I have received a dry sandwich. If this happens to you, don't be afraid to send it back. But it's better to specify up front that the sandwich should not be dry. Pastrami on rye with Gulden's is the way to go, but you are from New York so you know that already :) the rye is prepared in a special way, which kicks it above the level of sandwich at Katz's, believe it or not.

                                                    If you order the "famous" #19 abomination, you will not notice any dryness because the cole slaw, Swiss cheese & Russian dressing will likely cover up any flaws in preparation of the pastrami

                                                    Mr Taster

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                                                      ns1 RE: Mr Taster Aug 7, 2012 09:22 AM

                                                      But the #19 is ridiculously delicious.

                                                      i could eat it everyday until my stomach or wallet fails.

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                                                        Ciao Bob RE: ns1 Aug 7, 2012 09:26 AM

                                                        I would pass it up everyday for perfect, simple rye bread, pastrami and mustard. I'll take my slaw on the side and my Russian dressing you can blast onto space on a sputnik.

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                                                          ns1 RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 09:34 AM

                                                          luckily you can get both at langers? lol

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                                                            Ciao Bob RE: ns1 Aug 7, 2012 09:47 AM

                                                            That is the beauty of life in LA, ns1....acceptance. There's plenty of room under the glaring sun for your #19 and my attempt to recreate the lower east side.

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                                                          Mr Taster RE: ns1 Aug 7, 2012 09:34 AM

                                                          But if you're coming all the way from NY to LA to eat Jewish food that was perfected in NY, why hide the raison d'etre under a mound of treyf and mayo? :)

                                                          Mr Taster

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                                                            ns1 RE: Mr Taster Aug 7, 2012 09:38 AM

                                                            because you can get the #19 in LA and you can get pastrami/mustard/rye in NY?

                                                            I wasn't impressed with Katz on rye and mustard, so the love for the minimalist pastrami presentation is lost on me.

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                                                              Servorg RE: ns1 Aug 7, 2012 09:47 AM

                                                              Just do a Soloman and get one of each type and (well, the babies in this case are already cut for you) and divide and conquer (consume) one half of each... (good thing I was around to bring wise counsel to the Larry, Moe and Curly Joe of the CH LA board! ;-D>)

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                                                              latindancer RE: Mr Taster Aug 7, 2012 09:59 AM

                                                              The entire store full of pastrami is treyf so who cares what you put on it? :).

                                                              Pile it high with pastrami, cole slaw and russian dressing sans the cheese and I've got myself nirvana.

                                                2. Ciao Bob RE: natenal Aug 7, 2012 01:15 PM

                                                  lhenry has made at least one good decision here, and that is go to Langer's...but thanks for posting natenal!

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                                                    BSW6490 RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 01:20 PM

                                                    Actually, I think he made several good decisions.

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                                                      Ciao Bob RE: BSW6490 Aug 7, 2012 01:34 PM

                                                      Such as?
                                                      That itinerary is, to my way of thinking, awfully "troubled" in the most fame-over-function and touristy way possible -- Bouchon, the Ivy, the Grill on the Alley, Matsuhisa - all quite expensive and average-to-bad. Pizza M - good choice. Tacos por favor - come on...it's OK if you are stuck in Santa Monica and won't go to Tacomiendo or Monte Alban. I do not know Malibu Seafood or Garden Terrace, but my guess is I don't want to.

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                                                        ns1 RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 01:37 PM

                                                        It's clear the OP wanted Hollywood/Beverly Hills Los Angeles, and not East LA/South LA Los Angeles.

                                                        Bulletproof glass theory does not apply here. Scene > food

                                                        Not a slam at the OP, just different wants.

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                                                          BSW6490 RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 01:42 PM

                                                          I dont agree with all of the choices, but Lunch at Pizzeria Mozzo is a good one.
                                                          Dinner at Dan Tana's is a very good one.
                                                          Lunch on the patio at The Ivy is a unique experience and I think the food and service are way underrated.
                                                          Dinner at Matsuhisa cant be criticized.

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                                                            Ciao Bob RE: BSW6490 Aug 7, 2012 02:25 PM

                                                            We agree about Mozza.

                                                            Tana's - love the Dabney Coleman NY steak, love the chicken Beckerman, love to take visitors there (but more for the scene and atmo than the food).

                                                            I think the Ivy and Matsuhisa can be criticized in many, many ways - some of which I previously mentioned.

                                                            Here's my beef -- if each of these places appeared on its own I would not have written anything. However, the constellation of so many places that are more about a kind of "non-chow" dining experience in one itinerary is what I find objectionable.

                                                            This is chowhound - not scenehound (Ivy), datedkitschound (Tana/Grill), FamousChefBucketlisthound (Matsuhisa, Bouchon).

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                                                              Dirtywextraolives RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 03:45 PM

                                                              You seem to fail to understand that when people come out to visit LA, it is usually for the scene, not the food. The rest of the country has a much different view of LA & Hollywood, that its allure consumes them rather than an exhaustive search for exceptional food. The fact that we get to live here and enjoy all the degustatory treasures that we can discover in this City is our distinct honor. Not all 'hounds from other cities are up for that challenge.

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                                                                Ciao Bob RE: Dirtywextraolives Aug 7, 2012 04:10 PM

                                                                I appeciate that dirty - I grew up in NYC and spent 15 years visiting LA 1-2 times per year after my Dad moved here. Seeing the scene was way more imortant to me then, but good food was still a consideration. Going to the old Spago on Horn was a treat I always love that hit both spots. I think you can combine scene and food here today in many better ways than has been done in this thread - Mezze, giorgio baldi, animal, AOC, Comme Ca, son of a gun, fig-Olive, Mastro's, cut, ink pop into my mind.

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                                                                  Dirtywextraolives RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 06:50 PM

                                                                  Oh, I definitely agree w you & your list.

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                                                            lhenry RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 01:59 PM

                                                            @ Ciao Bob If you would have read the earlier posts, I changed Tacos Por Favor.

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                                                              Ciao Bob RE: lhenry Aug 7, 2012 02:13 PM

                                                              Pardon me...Frida's...I have not been in a while but enjoyed it when I went. Nothing revelatory, but solid.

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                                                                Thor123 RE: Ciao Bob Aug 7, 2012 02:22 PM

                                                                I agree. For the Beverly Hills area, probably the best Mexican. Higher end. They have a nice selection of ceviches, very good carnitas and a real good bar.

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                                                        lhenry RE: lhenry Aug 7, 2012 01:57 PM

                                                        I will update you all on this trip when I get back on 8/21. I'm excited about my choices, and couldn't have reached this list without you guys!

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