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oferl Jul 28, 2012 03:45 AM

My visit is approaching, and based on recent reviews and mentioning here, the plan is to eat solo lunch/dinner at the next places:

More "upscale" - Aziza, Cotogne, Le Ciccia , not sure maybe i should go with something else in the Italian spot, Perbacco? Also still not sure if to replace one of the places with attlier crane, altough probably will be more expensive, but maybe worth the extra..

Sushi and japanese - maybe kiss seafood? Oyaji or Izakaya ? Cannot find good japanese that is opened for lunch and may offer very good omakase, lunch? Maybe Takara Sushi?

Other - Swan oyster depot for sure, and would like to try the Burmese options, Mandalay or Superstar? The food looks interesting.
Lers ros for Thai ? And Honk kong lounge for dim sum? Tried Yank sing in the past and would like to try other option. Anything very good for chinese or indian around union square ?

Breakfast - i love taking pastries and eating outside instead of seating inhouse, i think i will try for all the mornings the whole range of knead pastries, it looks great "-) Also tartine bakery, any other good options?

Chocolate and ice cream - many places to count here.. One question on elbow's place, how is it ? Was thinking about ordering online but maybe better to visit the store in SF..

Thanks !

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    goldangl95 RE: oferl Jul 28, 2012 09:07 AM

    I wouldn't pick Perbacco over Aziza, Cotoga, La Ciccia. Quince is also an option.

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      hyperbowler RE: oferl Jul 28, 2012 09:18 AM

      Perbacco and La Ciccia represent different regions of Italy, so you'd have to look at the menus to decide which suits your tastes more. Both are excellent. For solo dining though, Barbacco is probably a bit more fun because they have small plates and there's counter seating. I can't recall if Perbacco has any counter seating.

      Ichi Sushi is open for lunch and omakase is the way to go there

      1. Robert Lauriston RE: oferl Jul 28, 2012 12:50 PM

        La Ciccia is great and there's nothing like it outside of Italy. It's not upscale compared with Perbacco, which I also love, and which does serve food at the very comfortable bar.

        Kyo-Ya might be the best sushi at lunchtime.

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          oferl RE: Robert Lauriston Jul 29, 2012 05:42 AM

          Thanks everybody :-) Booked La Ciccia, tried booking also Aziza but for 1 no success, it seems that online it is possible to book only for 2 :( Maybe it is noy suitable for solo dining? Not sure how is the seating in this place in general (like decorated private booths?).. I guess i will call them a couple of days before and check possibility. All in all this type of food is not the most "rare" for me, but was curious about the modern take and will see..
          What can be nice for evening sushi ? And is HK lounge indeed a good candidate for dim sum ? And regarding Cotogna, i liked the menu, nice option even if visiting La Ciccia? Both look very different..
          And final question - if i'm looking for lobster/"big crabs" (please excuse the loose term) dinner with nice fresh fried and "varied" seafood plater on the side.. Where should i look for ? Any "moderatly priced not touristic" and no thrilles decor stuff, which i like a lot, or stick to the more expensive places? Swan oyster in the list, but i guess it is not the same..

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            Robert Lauriston RE: oferl Jul 29, 2012 10:16 AM

            Cotogna and La Ciccia are about as different as two good, moderately priced Italian places can be.

            For lobster and crab, Woodhouse Fish Co. Fried various seafood I think you'll find only at tourist spots. Our local Dungeness crab is currently as out of season as it gets, which is to say it's coming in from Alaska, and we get our lobsters from Maine.

            Good SF seafood places favored by locals include Woodhouse, Bar Crudo, Anchor Oyster Bar (closed for vacation through 8/6), Alamo Square, Sotto Mare, the oysters and cold platters at Zuni Cafe, and any number of Chinese and Vietnamese places with live tanks.

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              CarrieWas218 RE: oferl Jul 29, 2012 10:58 AM

              Hong Kong Lounge is currently the BEST option in the city for dim sum; to me, blows Yank Sing and Koi out of the water.

              I've eaten at Aziza as a solo diner so you should definitely call to try and get in.

              The deal with your lobster/crab desire is that it isn't necessarily local so what you'll be getting will be shipped in; lobsters from Maine and crabs from Alaska. Our fresh fish options are better crudo at Ame, Bar Crudo, or Anchor & Hope.

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                od_sf RE: oferl Jul 29, 2012 12:54 PM

                What can be nice for evening sushi ?

                I would recommend Sushi Aka Tombo in Japantown. Great omakase, lots of fish variety, great quality and reasonable prices.

                Sushi Aka Tombo
                1737 Buchanan St
                (415) 674-1984

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                  od_sf RE: oferl Jul 29, 2012 12:57 PM

                  Also, Hong Kong Lounge is great, but I would recommend getting there early (at least 20 or 30 minutes before opening) or you should expect long lines. Same for Swan's.

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                    oferl RE: od_sf Jul 30, 2012 12:43 AM

                    Thanks a lot, really appriciate all the great advices :-) For sure i intend to be early for all the evening places, it will be weekdays and maybe it will be less crowded/waiting etc..

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                      CarrieWas218 RE: oferl Jul 30, 2012 08:46 AM

                      Oferl - not necessarily... For some reason, San Francisco is an early-dining town. Premium spots are often completely filled by 6:00. Perhaps that is because a lot of people who work in the city live in the surrounding suburbs (East Bay, Peninsula, Marin, etc.); so they dine as soon as they get off work and then head home after that.

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                        goldangl95 RE: oferl Jul 30, 2012 09:25 AM

                        Depending on the neighborhood not necessarily true - eating is somewhat of an olympic sport in SF and so places tend to just fill up. As a general rule, places near the financial district/soma tend to fill up earlier (for the reasons Carrie mentioned as well as business travelers) whereas the places more in the neighborhoods fill up a bit later. But with telecommuting, unconventional hours, tourists, students etc. all who are purported foodies - getting reservations can just be difficult.

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                        oferl RE: od_sf Aug 1, 2012 06:43 AM

                        Regarding HKL - possible to do a take out right ? Maybe better to do that and avoid the waiting or the inconvinience of sitting one person in this crowded place ? Do they have a "seperate operation" for that, or i will have anyway to wait in the line ? Thought about doing some bike riding at the area, so maybe with sports cloths and from riding etc., will be better to have a small dim-sum picnic in the nearby park areas :-)

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                          CarrieWas218 RE: oferl Aug 1, 2012 08:49 AM

                          HKL does not have separate operation for take-out and I've not heard of anyone going in just to order take-out, so I'm hoping someone else will chime in on that as I would definitely be interested.

                          What you are wearing is irrelevant and I think the biggest problem you might have is trying to have dim sum alone since you will be getting so many three- and four-dumpling offerings which will fill you up quickly.

                          What I HAVE done in the past with dim sum is throw caution (and money) to the wind and order everything I wanted to taste, eat only one or two of each, have the rest packed up to go, and offered later to homeless...

                          The one downside I would say on taking some of HKL's to go is a few that are deep-fried and definitely better eaten immediately!

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                            oferl RE: CarrieWas218 Aug 1, 2012 09:33 AM

                            Thanks Carrie, i'm not bothered from the quantity of food, and from looking around on the net there are quite a lot of interesting dishes i would like to try, so if first visit will be nice, maybe i will go again do complete the list :-)
                            Regarding cloths, it's also the possibility of being "less fresh" let's put it after riding in the area, it looks like doing that in the coast area might be a good idea and HKL seems close on the map, like a good choice to eat while nearby.
                            And on a different note, seeing now info on a place called chapeau!, looks promising as a "moderate to high" french dinner option.. La Folie looks also nice "netwise", but probably more "classy dining", different formula and more pricy, i think.. Any opinions also on those two will be appriciated :-)

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                              CarrieWas218 RE: oferl Aug 1, 2012 09:37 AM

                              La Folie consistently gets higher recommendations than Chapeau, but usually it is because people are looking for elegant, "anniversary" restaurants. It is on the classy side and quite exceptional.

                              Have you considered any of San Francisco's other "upscale" options? Atelier Crenn, Benu, Saison, or Coi? Or even State Bird Provisions (not "upscale" but definitely innovative). Personally, Atelier Crenn is my favorite restaurant in the city right now...

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                                oferl RE: CarrieWas218 Aug 1, 2012 10:52 AM

                                While the food at La Folie and Chapeau seems quite straightforward and clear from the internet perspective, i find it harder to get some "feel" over the net for AC tasting menus and the actual dishes (and i know all 3 are probably different types to begin with) . At those price ranges i should feel "very comfortable" towards going there, and i'm not there with Crenn :-) I will be a couple of days earlier at EMP in nyc, so i probably feel also uneasy to squeeze in another 100 north tasting meal.. So i'm a bit confused now, still maybe Crenn might be a far better expirience then the 2 French places and the prices might not be that different for full meals.. So yet again, back to the drawing board to do some thinking :-)

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                                  CarrieWas218 RE: oferl Aug 1, 2012 10:56 AM

                                  I believe Crenn would be a more interesting experience and worth the funds over a few high-end French meal. But that's just me...

                                  You could then have some far more interesting low-end meals (Burmese, dim sum, Mission burrito) which would save you funds.

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                                    oferl RE: CarrieWas218 Aug 1, 2012 11:54 AM

                                    That is a good advice, thank you :-) I will look for more reviews and pics from Crenn.

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                                      goldangl95 RE: oferl Aug 1, 2012 01:01 PM

                                      You need to be comfortable with taking risks in that price range in order to go to Atelier Crenn. They are trying new and different dishes constantly, and they are a smaller less well oiled machine operation.

                                      It's not a reliable/easy/effortless choice - but they are making some of the most beautiful, creative food in SF. It's hard for me to recommend to my friends because of the risks - some of the dishes can just be off and for many its just too much money to give to such an experience (especially since it doesn't have that same pampered well-oiled machine feeling of say the French Laundry).

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                                od_sf RE: oferl Aug 1, 2012 11:07 AM

                                If you are interested in "to go" dim sum, I recommend Jook Time in the Outer Richmond. Really good dim sum to go, SUPER cheap. From there you are close to Golden Gate park for a picnic.

                                Jook Time
                                3398A Balboa St
                                (between 35th Ave & 34th Ave)
                                (415) 221-3818

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