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How can Subway say they are fresh??!! Nothing has any taste and omelettes are made days ahead.

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deran Jul 21, 2012 06:19 PM

I dont know why anyone would go to these corporate sub stores,the cheese,veges etc have no taste..anyone who's ever had a sandwich made from a real deli etc. would never waste money at these places. Omelettesa are way over-priced and have no taste,they are made long in advance and look like a slab of paper..the veges and cheese are like they are made of plastic or something..

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    fara Jul 21, 2012 07:51 PM

    I still dont' really understand but I guess it IS lighter than having a mcd's or kfc meal and when those are the only alternatives and you ddin't bring your lunch...I guess that's relatively "fresh" in comparison to year old freezer material that's been deep-fried.

    1. Boston_Otter Jul 22, 2012 10:13 AM

      Because they ARE fresh. They're not using freeze-dried meats, cheeses, and vegetables. The ones at your Subway may be woefully tasteless but that's not always the case, and they're most definitely making sub sandwiches with fresh ingredients. Given the lack of "real delis" in most neighborhoods with Subways, I think there's a good reason people go there.

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        Rilke Jul 22, 2012 06:45 PM

        "Given the lack of "real delis" in most neighborhoods with Subways"

        Most? I don't think so.

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          Boston_Otter Jul 22, 2012 08:37 PM

          Okay, "many". There are thousands of Starbucks in malls and suburban areas that are far from a "real" deli, which is my point.

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            sunshine842 Jul 26, 2012 10:19 AM

            In an enormous number of neighborhoods where a Subway can be found, there are no delis. Anywhere.

            "Fresh" doesn't always mean "packed with flavor" -- and I'd take Subway over McD any day of the week....and there are an awful lot of places where that's the only option you have.

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              Cathy Jul 29, 2012 09:38 AM

              I live in San Diego, the 6th largest city in the United States. "Real" delis here: two. If you check our board, most people think neither is very good.

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              FrankJBN Jul 24, 2012 10:23 AM

              "Given the lack of "real delis" in most neighborhoods with Subways"

              I have commented before that I live in South Jersey, the 'ancestral' home of the hoagie, and a region loaded with Italian pizza/hoagie shops and small grocery delis.

              My comment is that I don't know how Subway can stay in business in my neighborhood, given the compettion from real hoagies and the quality of their products. IMO, thier sandwiches are as frsh as anyone elses, they just don't taste right, not to mention (too late) the awful rolls they freshly make and toast.

              But they do manage to stay in business.

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                lynnlato Aug 3, 2012 05:17 AM

                Whenever I go home to visit family in PA I am shocked and dismayed to see folks inside the local Subway. A real hoagie is infinitely superior to anything slapped together at Subway. It is just shocking to me that people in PA would frequent that place. Check this out: I was in PA last week and friends of mine have a brother that owns a sub shop. They show up at my sister's house with - you guessed it - SUBWAY!!!! Two high crimes committed, IMHO!!! Oy!

            3. kubasd Jul 22, 2012 01:14 PM

              While their meats and cheeses aren't necessarily of the best quality, they are definitely more fresh than what you would have at McDo, KFC, Taco Bell, etc. I used to be a manager at a Subway when I was in high school, and in the morning before the lunch rush and in the afternoon before the dinner rush, we'd be in the back running tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, and lettuce through the vegetable slicer, so yes.... I would consider that fresh. That plus the fact that even though the dough for the bread comes in frozen, it is still baked fresh throughout the day.

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                ferret Jul 22, 2012 07:20 PM

                The lettuce and tomatoes are no less fresh at any other chain that uses them, unless someone has magically invented a freezable lettuce product.

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                  drongo Jul 23, 2012 07:54 AM

                  Yoou don't need to freeze. The shelf life of lettuce can be extended to 3 weeks or more using refrigeration and control of carbon dioxide and ethylene levels. But I'm not saying Subway does this... it seems to be of more interest to the military -- e.g. see http://www.primaira.com/pdfs/HeraldArticle.pdf
                  http://www.primaira.com/pdfs/BluzoneF...

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                    ferret Jul 23, 2012 08:34 AM

                    That wasn't really my point. I was just responding to the assertion that the use of lettuce and tomato somehow makes it fresher than other fast food places, which it clearly does not. Nearly all fast food restaurants use "fresh" vegetables of some sort, be it as garnish or in salad options. I somehow suspect that the "freshness" claim is based on their "made-to-order" model (as in freshly prepared to your specification).

              2. drongo Jul 23, 2012 05:02 AM

                This article is a PR piece, but it does give one a sense of Subway's sophisticated supply chain:
                http://www.supplychainbrain.com/conte...

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                  gordeaux Jul 23, 2012 07:38 PM

                  I also thnk it's funny that people think Subway sells turkey and roast beef. It's like all of the sudden, nobody knows what turkey and roast beef are.

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                    Boston_Otter Jul 23, 2012 08:34 PM

                    Er... except that they DO sell turkey and roast beef. It's not made from soy or potatoes. It may be the same sort of industrial roast beef that you get at, say, Arby's, but their ham, turkey, and roast beef aren't fake.

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                      gordeaux Jul 24, 2012 07:55 PM

                      "Industrial" roast beef? What part of the animal is that from?
                      Hilarious that some ppl think that Arby's sells roast beef also. Seriously, I have eaten roast beef before. Arby's and Subway do not sell roast beef. They sell some form of meat product that has been whipped and reformed into some foamy loaf. I'd suggest to anyone to ask themselves if they would serve Subway's turkey flavored loaf to their family and friends for Thanksgiving. Maybe serve up some Arby's for a nice home cooked roast beef dinner.

                      I've had turkey before. Subway does not sell turkey. I have had roast beef before. Subway does not sell roast beef. They may use turkey and jello to create some new edible foodstuff - same with whatever roast beef they use to create their new version of roast beef. but what they create in their labs is NOT turkey and roast beef.

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                        Boston_Otter Jul 25, 2012 05:21 AM

                        Not true at all, gordeaux, The idea that the meat has been liquified and whipped into some sort of play-dough loaf is an old urban myth.

                        Look, I agree that lunch-meat style turkey doesn't look like a Thanksgiving dinner bird. But it's still turkey, and their roast beef is still roast beef. It's not made from jello or whipped into a froth. Criticize the flavor of it all you want, but let's stick to actual facts instead of making up silly stories for fun.

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                          gordeaux Jul 25, 2012 05:27 PM

                          Perhaps the Subways in your area use turkey and roast beef, but in the Chicago area, all of them use some form of processed yellow stuff that is not a breast or thigh or leg of turkey. Their roast beef style product is the same. It does not even have the consistency of meat, yet people line up for it.

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                            gordeaux Jul 25, 2012 05:31 PM

                            Also, what is lunchmeat style turkey?

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                              Boston_Otter Jul 25, 2012 07:25 PM

                              gordeaux, if you're going to make up stories about Subway serving "whipped" meat, but claim to not know what lunchmeat is, I don't know why I'm bothering to debate you on this.

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                                gordeaux Jul 26, 2012 04:11 AM

                                I don't understand your thoughts on this, but ok. I've just never had a part of a turkey that has the same gelatinous consistency as the turkey that Subway sells. Their turkey has the consistency of something like hot dogs, which is liquified and then reformed. Their turkey has a completely uniform consistency and size to each slice. If you and others believe this is how turkey appears, then case closed for you. Enjoy your "Turkey breast, turkey broth, contains 2% or less of: carrageenan, dextrose, modified food starch (derived from corn), salt, seasoned salt (salt, sodium diacetate, flavoring), sodium lactate, sodium phosphate. Browned in soybean oil. May contain: seasonings (modified corn starch, dextrose, salt, carrageenan, sodium diacetate, flavorings), potassium lactate."

                                I prefer turkey. IMO, turkey is something different.

                                Does anyone know what the broth in their recipe for turkey breast is used for?

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                                  Boston_Otter Jul 26, 2012 06:32 AM

                                  Gordeaux: Here's what I'd recommend. Go to a deli or supermarket and look at the roast beef and turkey they sell at the deli counter. You won't see "legs and wings", you'll see a 'loaf' of turkey. They slice that and sell it, and the slices are very consistent, yes? Same with the roast beef, the ham, etc. That's basically what you're getting at Subway. Deli-style meat. It's not scary, it's not "fake meat", and it's not "whipped". If you want to eat a leg of turkey, go for it.

                                  The broth is likely used to keep the meat moist. If you buy a whole turkey at the supermarket, they typically are injected with broth (or just saltwater) to keep the meat moist.

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                                    MonMauler Jul 26, 2012 08:30 AM

                                    Boston Otter, fighting the good fight. I agree with you completely. The meat at Subway is really no different than the meat you get at any supermarket deli counter.

                                    In fact, take a look at the Roast Beef ingredients from drongo's post, below:
                                    Roast beef, water, salt, dextrose, corn syrup, sodium phosphates, and spice extractive. Coated with: salt, dextrose, caramel color, pepper and garlic powder.

                                    And compare that to the ingredients in Dietz & Watson's roast beef:
                                    Beef, water, contains less than 1% of salt, sodium phosphate, dextrose, maltodextrin, dried beef stock, caramel color, soluble black pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, grill flavor (from vegetable oil), corn syrup solids, modified corn starch, lemon juice, spice extractives, lemon oil. Coated with salt, dextrose, garlic & onion powder, dried beef stock.

                                    These are basically the same thing. The turkey, ham and other lunch meats sold at Subway compare similarly. Other than the spice combination, Subway's lunch meat is the same as lunch meat sold everywhere across the country. Virtually no sandwich shop, be it a chain or independently-owned, is roasting whole birds and hogs and cuts of beef in the back of the store. Those that do use spice combinations not unlike those listed above.

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                                      Rilke Jul 26, 2012 10:11 AM

                                      Actually, Capriotti's roasts whole turkeys every night, and since they got big, I've seen other sub places follow suit.

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                                        MonMauler Jul 26, 2012 10:34 AM

                                        Yes, I understand that some do such. Still, I would expect the percentage of sandwich shops that do so out of all of the sandwich shops in the country to be in the low single digits.

                                        Of course, I would love if more cooked their own meats in store. Hopefully Capriotti's and similar sandwich shops will force their competitors to adopt a like approach.

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                                          gordeaux Jul 26, 2012 10:48 AM

                                          I also know of several places that do roast their own meats in house. I'm very curious about these other things that people have come to call "Deli-Style Meats." They are just weird. I don't get how people have chosen to accept these things as turkey or roast beef, when, it seems it's some sort of chemical composition derived from meat.

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                                        gordeaux Jul 26, 2012 10:40 AM

                                        Then how is it made? I don't understand how how it can have no consistency of the meat it came from. Spices do not change the consistency like that. In the supermarkets in my area, there are several different grades of turkey at the deli counter. There are turkey breasts which have odd shapes and sizes, there are rectangular loaves with a yellow-ish tinge, and then there are large, uniform oval loaves. The rectangular loaves are CLEARLY not turkey. Turkey does not come in a perfect rectangle. The oval loaves are not turkey either. Turkey does not come in a perfect oval loaf. Then, there are the mis-shapen, real, turkey breasts that have been cooked with spices. I just don't understand how these other loaf things are created. They do NOT have the consistency or the appearance of turkey, yet ppl still think it is turkey? I'm gonna have to use my web-fu to try and find the history behind this - perhaps a vid on how it is created. It is simply not spiced and cooked. There is NO WAY. Spices do not make turkey gelatinous, and rectangular. My suspicion (though it might be wrong) is that since broth is the ingredient listed outside of the "2%," that the turkey meat is blended with the broth, and then the stuff is reformed into an oval or rectangular loaf. Kinda like how hot dogs are made. Seriously - have a real piece of turkey, and then have a piece of Subway's turkey - they are NOT the same thing - not even close.

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                                          acgold7 Jul 26, 2012 11:21 AM

                                          There is certainly a middle ground between a whole unprocessed Turkey Breast and a loaf made of "Turkey Foam." You could easily take a bunch of raw Turkey Breasts and put them in a form and cook them together so they form a perfect oval or rectangle, just the way canned hams are made, without grinding them into a paste or really altering them in any way other than to stick them together using a gelatinous broth.

                                          I'm not saying I love the stuff, but it's far from "Turkey Foam."

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                                            gordeaux Jul 26, 2012 02:36 PM

                                            That does not explain how the consistency of those products is the way it is. My Subways have to be different than the other posters in this thread. Their turkey slices are completely uniform, and do not have the consistency of turkey meat. But, there might be something to the ham theory. Boiled ham comes in a rectangular loaf as well, and you can see the different meat parts pressed together. The consitency is normally less gelatinous, (imo, anyway) than the Subway turkey flavored product. I do recall a turkey product name that I've seen in deli cases that is about as bad as Subway's interpretation of Turkey. It's called "Riverside" turkey. I'll try and web up a pic - it's consistency is nowhere close to turkey, it comes in an oval loaf, and it's got the same color of turkey, but when you bite into it, it is CLEARLY not turkey. there are no signs of pressed turkey parts - all uniform throughout. I may be wrong, again, but in my area, I think the Subways are using some similiar turkey flavored loaf. It's like eating cold rectangular slices of gelatin made from turkey broth.

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                                              Boston_Otter Jul 26, 2012 05:44 PM

                                              I've eaten at Subways all over the place, and nowhere serves meat that's either "whipped" or "gelatin". Yes, please post more information, as if what you're saying is true, your Subway should likely be reported to corporate management.

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                                        ferret Jul 28, 2012 08:49 AM

                                        Showing a list of what is mostly seasonings that is specifically identified as comprising "2% or less" of the end product" is hardly horrifying.

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                                          gordeaux Jul 28, 2012 11:19 AM

                                          You are 100% correct.

                                          Ask them for one of their "Turkeys" for your holiday dinner. Serve it proudly, since it is turkey, right?

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                                            Boston_Otter Jul 28, 2012 12:08 PM

                                            It is turkey in the same way that the turkey served at any deli or lunch counter is turkey. It is turkey.

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                                              drongo Jul 28, 2012 03:05 PM

                                              Yes, it's turkey. For an overview of how these products are made, see http://www.foodproductdesign.com/arti...

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                                                ferret Jul 28, 2012 05:16 PM

                                                If you're entering a Subway, then by definition you're lowering your expectations. Splitting hairs as to how much is pretty pointless. The only time I get to Subway is if I'm working late at my office and nothing else is open. My expectations at that point are for fuel and not much else. But if you're seeking a quality of product by "home cooking" standards then you're clearly in the wrong place.

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                                                  ipsedixit Jul 28, 2012 05:22 PM

                                                  Bingo!

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                                                    Boston_Otter Jul 28, 2012 07:35 PM

                                                    Yes, let me be clear: by no means do I think Subway is on the level of an actual deli. They're fast food. It's simple, basic food that's of decent quality, is a good price for what you get, and is more than reasonably nutritious and tasty. But not Great Food at all.

                                                    But claiming that their food is fake, lab-grown, or "whipped gelatin" made from soybeans is absurd.

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                                                      chefathome Jul 29, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                      This is absolutely true.

                                  2. re: gordeaux
                                    drongo Jul 24, 2012 09:55 AM

                                    Here's how Subway describes their own ingredients:

                                    ROAST BEEF Roast beef, water, salt, dextrose, corn syrup, sodium phosphates, and spice extractive. Coated with: salt, dextrose, caramel color, pepper and garlic powder.

                                    TURKEY BREAST Turkey breast, turkey broth, contains 2% or less of: carrageenan, dextrose, modified food starch (derived from corn), salt, seasoned salt (salt, sodium diacetate, flavoring), sodium lactate, sodium phosphate. Browned in soybean oil. May contain: seasonings (modified corn starch, dextrose, salt, carrageenan, sodium diacetate, flavorings), potassium lactate.

                                    http://www.subway.com/Nutrition/Files/usProdIngredients.pdf

                                    At least some processing ... but probably no different than what one can buy in the supermarket. As Boston_Otter suggests, Subway's roast beef is probably similar to that at Arby's described on their website as follows:

                                    Roast Beef: Beef, Water, Salt, Sodium Phosphates.

                                    http://ww.arbys.com/food/ingredient-a...

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                                    BanjoMan1 Jul 26, 2012 11:08 AM

                                    From what I understand they can call it fresh because there is no legal definition to the word fresh according to the government departments that oversee these things. It's a fluff word like all natural.

                                    1. sunangelmb Jul 26, 2012 03:00 PM

                                      I too live in jersey and I agree , we have some of the best sub shops in the world. If I want a delicious turkey or roast beef sub, I will definitely head to one of those. But sometimes I crave a veggie sub from subway. No meat, just every single veggie they have in there (except onions) stuffed to overflowing drizzled with some honey mustard, vinegar, salt and pepper. Always eaten with baked lays, sour cream and onion, smooshed in there too. So while I agree, I won't eat their met, their veggie sub calls me, and I can't get anything like it at our local sub shops. Plus the women who owns our local subway could possibly be the nicest dining owner I've ever met

                                      1. tcamp Jul 26, 2012 03:09 PM

                                        I just went the other day. On the highway between SC and western VA, needed lunch for 2 adults and 2 kids. Everyone can "build their own," it is fast and we all like the veggie options. I don't know about the meat quality as I always have the veggie delight with extra hot peppers but I'm always much happier at Subway than at other fast food alternatives.

                                        Perhaps there was a quaint and tasty sub shop near our NC highway exit but with 500 miles to go, I wasn't in the mood to research it.

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                                          debbypo Aug 2, 2012 08:11 PM

                                          Precisely. We had our most recent Subway off the highway in South Dakota in a town by the Missouri River. It fit the bill and did not give us indigestion. No grease hangover. Only too much sodium.

                                        2. ipsedixit Jul 26, 2012 09:10 PM

                                          Can someone -- maybe "deran" -- explain to me how one of those "real delis" are more fresh than a Subway?

                                          Do those real delis grow their own tomatoes and lettuce in the garden in the back of the deli? Raise their own turkeys and cattle for sandwich meats? Grind their own mustard on the spot? Make their own cheese? Marinate all of their own banana peppers?

                                          Just curious.

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                                            Clams047 Jul 27, 2012 09:20 AM

                                            Perhaps you've never been to a "real" deli where they actually carve the turkey beast, ham & roast beef vs. the highly fatty, overly salted, processed, luncheon-meat products (freshly) sliced at Subway.

                                            On one hand, Subway does cook / heat their rolls (fresh) on site. On the other hand, they are really terrible. Yes, their vegetables (tomatoes, lettuce, peppers, etc), do tend to be fresh - assuming produce shipped across country and or from Mexico, etc is considered "fresh".

                                            Bottom line - "fresh" doesn't equate to quality where Subway does do a good job marketing "fresh" to the gullible.

                                            In summary, for many of us, processed luncheon meats are hardly considered a "fresh" item.

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                                              gordeaux Jul 27, 2012 05:08 PM

                                              IIRC, the fake meats are not really fatty, but at my local Subway shops, it's flabby because it seems it's mostly made from some form of gelatin. I like the concept, but the fake meat substances is where I draw the line. What I do like Subway for is a footlong blt, then I'll take the sandwich home and put actual turkey, or real roast beef from my local deli on it.

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                                                Boston_Otter Jul 27, 2012 06:52 PM

                                                Your Subway is the only one in America serving gelatin instead of meat. I feel sorry for you.

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                                                  drongo Jul 27, 2012 07:06 PM

                                                  Although I'm not a fan of Subway, I agree with Boston_Otter that the "fake" meat concept is exaggerated. Reminds me of 'extraordinary popular delusions and the madness of crowds."

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                                                ipsedixit Jul 28, 2012 11:06 AM

                                                Perhaps you've never been to a "real" deli where they actually carve the turkey beast, ham & roast beef vs. the highly fatty, overly salted, processed, luncheon-meat products (freshly) sliced at Subway.
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                                                So is your definition of "fresh" center around having deli meats prepared and cut from an actual turkey breast or roast of beef?

                                                Is every deli that carves their meats in such a fashion actually cook the turkey breast or roast beef on the spot when you order it? Or do they (gasp!) cook it earlier and perhaps (gasp again!) refrigerate and maybe serve it to you a day or two later?

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                                                  lynnlato Aug 3, 2012 05:33 AM

                                                  I think by "fresh" they mean it's assembled in front of you. In other words, it's not pre-made and sitting under a heat lamp awaiting your order. At least with regard to the subs.

                                                  Both gordeaux and Boston_Otter are right, but are arguing semantics. All of us know deli meat, including Subway meats, are a far cry from the real thing. Yet, what deli meats Subway serves up are no different than what many of us purchase at our local supermarkets. It's fast food, plain and simple... and yucky, IMHO.

                                              3. Bob W Jul 27, 2012 06:57 AM

                                                I am going to differentiate between the egg things they serve at breakfast and their regular manu -- regarding that latter, you may not like it, but it is what it is. The veggies, cheeses, and cold cuts are certainly real. Not gourmet, but real.

                                                Regarding breakfast, I have tried it a few times and I agree -- those floppy egg slabs have no taste whatsoever. I am renewing my vow never to be sucked in by their breakfast ads again.

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                                                  CanadaGirl Jul 27, 2012 05:16 PM

                                                  I've never had the omelettes, so I can't comment on those, but we do eat at Subway relatively often. I have two sons whose sporting events often overlap or run really close together. The result is that a takeout supper is sometimes the only reasonable way to get food in. So, it is almost always Subway as the meal is quite balanced. It isn't gourmet, and the meats are not top of the line, but it fills a gap.

                                                  Also, I do not know of any delis near me that carve their own meats. There are some with higher quality meats, but they are not convenient.

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                                                    awm922 Jul 28, 2012 03:44 AM

                                                    Here goes....the meats that Subway buys are from the lowest bidder. They are pre sliced, cold cuts that are usually cheaply made. The roast beef is an ISP, (isolated soy protein) product. That mainly means its ground soy beans that are tumbled with the beef muscles in a giant drum. It takes on the color of the product and holds a lot of water, along with a lot of salt. That's why it's spongy, it's loaded with water. The turke yare pieces of turkey breast, (if it says turkey white meat in the ingredient label, it's wing meat), injected with flavorings and salt and most likely Carageenan which is made from seaweed and acts as a binder. There is also "Modified Food Starch" which is non fat dried milk. Also a filler an holds moisture in the meat. The meat is dropped into a bag, put in a mold and it can be made into any shape they want. Then it's cooked in a hot water bath. The ham is pretty much done the same way.
                                                    What do you expect for the price? If you're going to eat anything at Subway, get the grilled chicken. At least that is less processed, but probably is still has at least 20% solution pumped into it.
                                                    I can't speak for the cheese or breakfast items.

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                                                      gordeaux Jul 28, 2012 04:36 AM

                                                      I used to get the grilled chicken all the time. About two years ago, in my area, they switched the grilled chicken to some spongey chicken flavored product with painted on grill marks. Again, it is CLEARLY not chicken. It might have some chicken in it, but there is no chicken part that has a foamy/spongey texture like that. Some people may believe that if they use chicken and broth in their processing of making their chicken flavored patty product, then it must be chicken, but the mystery sponge with painted on grill marks is a deal breaker for me.
                                                      Quick side story: I was having lunch with an office mate a few years ago. He was enjoying a foot long turkey sub from Subway. I was having a turkey sandwich from the local Italian deli. I asked him if he has ever had turkey before. He said yes. I then asked him what kind of meat was on his sandwich, and he replied "turkey." I asked if he would mind taking a piece of his turkey out, and comparing it with a piece from my sandwich. I then asked him again, what kind of meat was on his sandwich after we had our slices on the table side by side. He then qualified what he was eating as "deli-turkey" after seeing that what he was eating was CLEARLY not turkey. I asked him what "deli turkey" was. He had no answer, and kinda got grossed out. We are great friends, actually had lunch with him yesterday. Every once in a while, he still thanks me. He actually thought that stuff was turkey. It grosses him out now, and now he goes to delis in the area that sell turkey on their sandwiches. I can't argue that SUbway uses turkey to make their turkey loaf, but I have had turkey before on many, many, occasions, and the Subway shops in my area do not sell sliced turkey. They sell some form of turkey loaf that doesn't even have the same texture as turkey. I'd urge folks to take a piece of their turkey off of their sub and eat it by itself. Is that really turkey? Maybe in your area it is. In mine, it is not. I woud gladly go to Subway more often if they used real meat. I do love their selection of veggies, and condiments.While the bread is simply white or brown wonder-bread with different things sprinkled on top, it is serviceabe, imo. I would even pay more for one of their subs if they offered some kind of premium meat selection as an option. But, I can go to a bunch of places in my area that sell real turkey, so I go there, and either buy a turkey sandwich, or buy the turkey, then go to Subway for a blt, and put my real turkey on it.

                                                      1. re: gordeaux
                                                        linguafood Jul 28, 2012 05:58 AM

                                                        Sounds like your requirements for what the food you put in your mouth is made of has changed quite a bit in the last four years?

                                                        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/5005...

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                                                          gordeaux Jul 28, 2012 07:14 AM

                                                          Actually, not really at all. Subway wasn't mentioned on that list. I haven't had velveeta in a few years, but I still indulge in it when the craving hits. Funny, I had taco bell yesterday for lunch for the first time in about 6 months, and it has seriously fallen from my "graces." I do eat plenty of garbage - one of the things I really love is gas station frozen burrito things. I will never, ever, tell anyone I don't eat strange things. I do, and I'm not ashamed of it. Fake, lunch meat style things that are called something that they are not, just weirds me out. And I am sincerely interested in knowing how things like that are allowed to be called "Turkey." I'm not on a soapbox here though it probably appears that I am bashing Subway - I'm NOT. I do buy stuff there, it's just the fake meat that my Subway uses skeeves me out, and I wonder if people really think that it is turkey.

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                                                            linguafood Jul 28, 2012 07:25 AM

                                                            I was just surprised to see that you draw the line at "fake" meat, but not fake cheese.

                                                            I have no horse in this race whatsoever, as I don't frequent chain restaurants.

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                                                              gordeaux Jul 28, 2012 11:13 AM

                                                              Velveeta is CLEARLY labeled what it is. The label does not call it "Smoked Gouda." I don't even have to web up the label, it definitely says it is something like "American Processed Cheese Food Product." I would have no issues (other than getting the heebie jeebies) with people calling what they somehow nowadays refer to as "Deli-Style" turkey what it really is - Processed Turkey Food Product.

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                                                          Boston_Otter Jul 28, 2012 06:12 AM

                                                          We get it, gordeaux, your Subway sells foam and gelatin. Please complain to Subway's corporate offices and tell them that your Subway is the only one in America that doesn't sell meat.

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                                                          Boston_Otter Jul 28, 2012 06:11 AM

                                                          What you're saying is the opposite of what their official ingredients state. Are you saying that Subway's lying about the ingredients in their foods?

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                                                            awm922 Jul 29, 2012 03:55 AM

                                                            let's just say it's not full disclosure. When you list "Roast Beef" as an ingredient, something is wrong. All they have is what is provided by the company that made the component. The modified food starch they are using is derived from corn vs non fat dried milk.

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                                                              wyogal Jul 29, 2012 07:02 AM

                                                              The ingredient list is fully available. So, I'm not sure what you mean by "full disclosure."
                                                              Anyone who thinks that Subway is going to put a chuck roast or top round in the oven, take it out, then slice it for you deserves to be "fooled." IMO

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                                                                ferret Jul 29, 2012 11:00 AM

                                                                There's no "modified food starch" in the ingredients list.

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                                                                  awm922 Jul 29, 2012 05:11 PM

                                                                  MFS is in the ham, sauce, steak, turkey, chicken strips

                                                                  http://www.subway.com/Nutrition/Files...

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                                                                    ferret Jul 29, 2012 10:41 PM

                                                                    They use corn starch in miniscule amounts.

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                                                                      awm922 Jul 30, 2012 11:52 AM

                                                                      Ingredients are listed in descending order by amount. Higher up the list, the more of it is in there. MFS is not bad for you, it's just a binder used in cheap, processed meats.

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                                                                        ferret Jul 30, 2012 11:56 AM

                                                                        I get that, which is why I noted that it was used in miniscule amounts. I just didn't get why it was notable in any way.

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                                                            Jjjr Jul 28, 2012 08:13 PM

                                                            Subway is about the worst fast food chain there is. Their selling point is about trying to be more healthy than other fast food chains but even if you can manage to get over the yeast infection scent that hits you upon entering, they don't even make a decent sub by ANY standard.

                                                            The first time I was at a Subway just happened to be April 1. The guy put a millimeter-thin strip of meat on my sub and looked up with a straight face asking me what I wanted for vegetables. I thought I was being punked or on candid camera or the victim of some April Fool's Day joke. I looked at the sub and back at the 'sandwich artist,' waiting for him to go 'haha, just messin, here's the meat you ordered,' and fill my sandwich proper. I was definitely fooled; by any good thing I'd ever heard about Subway.

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                                                              kengk Jul 29, 2012 06:53 AM

                                                              I don't think Subway is very good but in my area it is often one of the few choices available. It seems fairly obvious that the start up costs for a Subway franchise would be much less than a McDonald's type place.

                                                              Just checked Wikipedia, and there are several small towns near me with a population of less than 1,000 that have a Subway. In couple of cases it is the only place to get some lunch other than a convenience store.

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                                                                biondanonima Aug 1, 2012 12:58 PM

                                                                That is DEFINITELY true. I'm currently doing a gig in upstate NY, and the only options for lunch are a Chinese place, a diner (both are closed on Monday) and Subway. Oh, and there's also a gas station. I'm not a huge fan of Subway, but it's definitely a better option than Slim Jim's and Doritos for lunch. I will say that the quality of both meats and vegetables do seem to vary from store to store, though - the Subways I've gone to in NYC are often dirty, with limp vegetables and stale breads. The one I've been going to upstate is clean, the produce is fresh and crisp, and even the meat seems better.

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                                                                flavrmeistr Jul 29, 2012 03:23 PM

                                                                I can't get past the stench of rancid dough. I'd rather go hungry.

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                                                                  carolinadawg Jul 29, 2012 04:47 PM

                                                                  And that is certainly your prerogative. Doesn't make those who eat there wrong.

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                                                                    Boston_Otter Jul 29, 2012 07:49 PM

                                                                    I have never smelled "rancid dough" at any Subway. I feel sorry for people whose stores' dough is 'rancid'.

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                                                                      Tripeler Jul 29, 2012 08:02 PM

                                                                      I live in Tokyo where Subway shops are quite common. None of them have any funky "bread dough" aroma. And, compared to other fast food places, they offer quite a lot of fresh vegetables to go on their sandwiches. With a few exceptions, Subway is far preferable to other fast food joints.

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                                                                        flavrmeistr Jul 29, 2012 09:35 PM

                                                                        Me too.

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                                                                          emmekin Jul 29, 2012 10:49 PM

                                                                          You'll see here in this thread, http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/416124 - titled "What is with the smell at subway??" that quite a lot of people do, in fact, think that Subway smells funky.

                                                                          I don't feel one way or another as I don't have a subway near me and I practically never visit one.
                                                                          I can't form strong opinions about subway. Its an alternative to the glop served at McDonalds and its ubiquitous (easy to locate and everywhere!)...so, I dont care.

                                                                          But there's a yeast-ish funk that some find offensive. *shrug*

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                                                                            flavrmeistr Jul 30, 2012 06:57 AM

                                                                            Yeah. I just can't do it.

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                                                                            Rilke Jul 30, 2012 04:45 AM

                                                                            Don't feel sorry for me . . . I cannot stand the smell at Subway and it helps to keep me away, as I think it tastes as bad as it smells.

                                                                        2. dave_c Aug 2, 2012 10:49 AM

                                                                          Can any deli (local or chain) claim to be "fresh" if they used shrink wrapped lunch meat, no matter if it's a upper tier brand name or the lowest bidder?

                                                                          Why is Subway so popular? $5 foot long.

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                                                                            ferret Aug 2, 2012 12:14 PM

                                                                            Why not? What's the definition of "fresh"? Does it mean "not stale," in which case they're probably accurate. It's a marketing term that's essentially meaningless.

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                                                                              Boston_Otter Aug 2, 2012 01:49 PM

                                                                              Of course they can. Unless your deli is lopping the meat right off of a cow or pig out back, they're getting their meat from companies like Boar's Head or Dietz & Watson, and it's pre-smoked, pre-cured, and wrapped for delivery. That's as 'fresh' as anywhere else.

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                                                                                Samalicious Aug 2, 2012 04:52 PM

                                                                                I don't know why Subway is being singled out when the product at Jimmy John's, Blimpie, Firehouse, and Potbelly is pretty much identical.

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                                                                                  Clams047 Aug 2, 2012 05:34 PM

                                                                                  "I don't know why Subway is being singled out when the product at Jimmy John's, Blimpie, Firehouse, and Potbelly is pretty much identical."

                                                                                  Because Subway is the one bragging about being "fresh" when in fact it's no different from any other chain restaurant with respect to the freshness of their ingredients.

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                                                                                    Boston_Otter Aug 3, 2012 04:03 AM

                                                                                    Jimmy John's: "We're Fresh, Fast & Tasty."
                                                                                    Blimpie: "Deli Fresh!"

                                                                                    Potbelly & Firehouse are more about hot & toasty subs, but seems like calling attention to your bar of fresh veggies is pretty common among sub places.

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                                                                                      carolinadawg Aug 3, 2012 04:47 AM

                                                                                      "Fresh" is a universal marketing term used by restaurants. Which, of course, has greatly decreased its meaning and significance, but its nonetheless used by almost every restaurant at some point, in some manner.

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                                                                                      Dax Aug 3, 2012 12:22 PM

                                                                                      I think Jimmy John's is much better than Subway. I'm one of those people who are squicked out by Subway. I realize the meat is not much better at Jimmy John's, but the sandwiches taste better to me.

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                                                                                        monkeyrotica Aug 6, 2012 06:02 AM

                                                                                        To me, Jimmy John's tastes better because they don't have the Subway "smell" which I find gag-inducing.

                                                                                        As far as the "freshness" of the lunchmeats at all these sandwich shops, they all seem to be about the same: sort of vague, bologna-esque, heavily processed meat products. That "sponginess" has always been off-putting, so I tend to favor salami/pepperoni/prosciutto-type meats that have a denser texture. Same problem I have with Arby's roast beef; it's too lunch-meat-ey. Fortunately, I have real roast beef places like Roy Rogers where the meat actually feels like meat in my mouth instead of like meat-flavored chamois cloth.

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                                                                                          lynnlato Aug 6, 2012 06:42 AM

                                                                                          "meat-flavored chamois cloth" - ahahaha, where on Earth did you pull that from?! LOL

                                                                                          I thought Roy Rogers went out of business years ago until I saw one a couple of weeks ago while I was in PA. As I kid I loved that place with it's fixin's bar.

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                                                                                            monkeyrotica Aug 6, 2012 07:44 AM

                                                                                            Hardees bought out most of the Roy Rogers stores, turned them into Hardees, and proceeded to collapse into a pool of its own ineptitude. There's a handful of them in the DC/MD/VA region and they're slowly expanding the chain. Their real roast beef is what Arby's used to taste like before they switched to the curren spongy lunchmeat "product." Their Gold Rush Chicken Sandwich is the best chain chicken sandwich available. Superior to Chik-fil-A's product and worth searching out.

                                                                                            http://www.grubgrade.com/2009/07/30/f...

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                                                                                              lynnlato Aug 6, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                                                              Whoooaaa, that chicken sandwich looks damned good! Thanks for the info. We'll have to hit one up next time we come across one.

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                                                                                  latindancer Aug 6, 2012 07:52 AM

                                                                                  Believe it or not there are pockets of areas in this country where the only place to eat, after 8pm, is a Subway.
                                                                                  It tastes pretty damn good, believe me, after a 12 hour work day in the desert.
                                                                                  They come in very handy.
                                                                                  Would I eat at Subway on an ordinary day in the city?
                                                                                  No.

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