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Jul 21, 2012 06:19 PM

How can Subway say they are fresh??!! Nothing has any taste and omelettes are made days ahead.

I dont know why anyone would go to these corporate sub stores,the cheese,veges etc have no taste..anyone who's ever had a sandwich made from a real deli etc. would never waste money at these places. Omelettesa are way over-priced and have no taste,they are made long in advance and look like a slab of paper..the veges and cheese are like they are made of plastic or something..

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  1. I still dont' really understand but I guess it IS lighter than having a mcd's or kfc meal and when those are the only alternatives and you ddin't bring your lunch...I guess that's relatively "fresh" in comparison to year old freezer material that's been deep-fried.

    1. Because they ARE fresh. They're not using freeze-dried meats, cheeses, and vegetables. The ones at your Subway may be woefully tasteless but that's not always the case, and they're most definitely making sub sandwiches with fresh ingredients. Given the lack of "real delis" in most neighborhoods with Subways, I think there's a good reason people go there.

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      1. re: Boston_Otter

        "Given the lack of "real delis" in most neighborhoods with Subways"

        Most? I don't think so.

        1. re: Rilke

          Okay, "many". There are thousands of Starbucks in malls and suburban areas that are far from a "real" deli, which is my point.

          1. re: Rilke

            In an enormous number of neighborhoods where a Subway can be found, there are no delis. Anywhere.

            "Fresh" doesn't always mean "packed with flavor" -- and I'd take Subway over McD any day of the week....and there are an awful lot of places where that's the only option you have.

            1. re: Rilke

              I live in San Diego, the 6th largest city in the United States. "Real" delis here: two. If you check our board, most people think neither is very good.

            2. re: Boston_Otter

              "Given the lack of "real delis" in most neighborhoods with Subways"

              I have commented before that I live in South Jersey, the 'ancestral' home of the hoagie, and a region loaded with Italian pizza/hoagie shops and small grocery delis.

              My comment is that I don't know how Subway can stay in business in my neighborhood, given the compettion from real hoagies and the quality of their products. IMO, thier sandwiches are as frsh as anyone elses, they just don't taste right, not to mention (too late) the awful rolls they freshly make and toast.

              But they do manage to stay in business.

              1. re: FrankJBN

                Whenever I go home to visit family in PA I am shocked and dismayed to see folks inside the local Subway. A real hoagie is infinitely superior to anything slapped together at Subway. It is just shocking to me that people in PA would frequent that place. Check this out: I was in PA last week and friends of mine have a brother that owns a sub shop. They show up at my sister's house with - you guessed it - SUBWAY!!!! Two high crimes committed, IMHO!!! Oy!

            3. While their meats and cheeses aren't necessarily of the best quality, they are definitely more fresh than what you would have at McDo, KFC, Taco Bell, etc. I used to be a manager at a Subway when I was in high school, and in the morning before the lunch rush and in the afternoon before the dinner rush, we'd be in the back running tomatoes, onions, cucumbers, and lettuce through the vegetable slicer, so yes.... I would consider that fresh. That plus the fact that even though the dough for the bread comes in frozen, it is still baked fresh throughout the day.

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              1. re: kubasd

                The lettuce and tomatoes are no less fresh at any other chain that uses them, unless someone has magically invented a freezable lettuce product.

                1. re: ferret

                  Yoou don't need to freeze. The shelf life of lettuce can be extended to 3 weeks or more using refrigeration and control of carbon dioxide and ethylene levels. But I'm not saying Subway does this... it seems to be of more interest to the military -- e.g. see

                  1. re: drongo

                    That wasn't really my point. I was just responding to the assertion that the use of lettuce and tomato somehow makes it fresher than other fast food places, which it clearly does not. Nearly all fast food restaurants use "fresh" vegetables of some sort, be it as garnish or in salad options. I somehow suspect that the "freshness" claim is based on their "made-to-order" model (as in freshly prepared to your specification).

              2. This article is a PR piece, but it does give one a sense of Subway's sophisticated supply chain:

                1. I also thnk it's funny that people think Subway sells turkey and roast beef. It's like all of the sudden, nobody knows what turkey and roast beef are.

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                  1. re: gordeaux

                    Er... except that they DO sell turkey and roast beef. It's not made from soy or potatoes. It may be the same sort of industrial roast beef that you get at, say, Arby's, but their ham, turkey, and roast beef aren't fake.

                    1. re: Boston_Otter

                      "Industrial" roast beef? What part of the animal is that from?
                      Hilarious that some ppl think that Arby's sells roast beef also. Seriously, I have eaten roast beef before. Arby's and Subway do not sell roast beef. They sell some form of meat product that has been whipped and reformed into some foamy loaf. I'd suggest to anyone to ask themselves if they would serve Subway's turkey flavored loaf to their family and friends for Thanksgiving. Maybe serve up some Arby's for a nice home cooked roast beef dinner.

                      I've had turkey before. Subway does not sell turkey. I have had roast beef before. Subway does not sell roast beef. They may use turkey and jello to create some new edible foodstuff - same with whatever roast beef they use to create their new version of roast beef. but what they create in their labs is NOT turkey and roast beef.

                      1. re: gordeaux

                        Not true at all, gordeaux, The idea that the meat has been liquified and whipped into some sort of play-dough loaf is an old urban myth.

                        Look, I agree that lunch-meat style turkey doesn't look like a Thanksgiving dinner bird. But it's still turkey, and their roast beef is still roast beef. It's not made from jello or whipped into a froth. Criticize the flavor of it all you want, but let's stick to actual facts instead of making up silly stories for fun.

                        1. re: Boston_Otter

                          Perhaps the Subways in your area use turkey and roast beef, but in the Chicago area, all of them use some form of processed yellow stuff that is not a breast or thigh or leg of turkey. Their roast beef style product is the same. It does not even have the consistency of meat, yet people line up for it.

                          1. re: Boston_Otter

                            Also, what is lunchmeat style turkey?

                            1. re: gordeaux

                              gordeaux, if you're going to make up stories about Subway serving "whipped" meat, but claim to not know what lunchmeat is, I don't know why I'm bothering to debate you on this.

                              1. re: Boston_Otter

                                I don't understand your thoughts on this, but ok. I've just never had a part of a turkey that has the same gelatinous consistency as the turkey that Subway sells. Their turkey has the consistency of something like hot dogs, which is liquified and then reformed. Their turkey has a completely uniform consistency and size to each slice. If you and others believe this is how turkey appears, then case closed for you. Enjoy your "Turkey breast, turkey broth, contains 2% or less of: carrageenan, dextrose, modified food starch (derived from corn), salt, seasoned salt (salt, sodium diacetate, flavoring), sodium lactate, sodium phosphate. Browned in soybean oil. May contain: seasonings (modified corn starch, dextrose, salt, carrageenan, sodium diacetate, flavorings), potassium lactate."

                                I prefer turkey. IMO, turkey is something different.

                                Does anyone know what the broth in their recipe for turkey breast is used for?

                                1. re: gordeaux

                                  Gordeaux: Here's what I'd recommend. Go to a deli or supermarket and look at the roast beef and turkey they sell at the deli counter. You won't see "legs and wings", you'll see a 'loaf' of turkey. They slice that and sell it, and the slices are very consistent, yes? Same with the roast beef, the ham, etc. That's basically what you're getting at Subway. Deli-style meat. It's not scary, it's not "fake meat", and it's not "whipped". If you want to eat a leg of turkey, go for it.

                                  The broth is likely used to keep the meat moist. If you buy a whole turkey at the supermarket, they typically are injected with broth (or just saltwater) to keep the meat moist.

                                  1. re: Boston_Otter

                                    Boston Otter, fighting the good fight. I agree with you completely. The meat at Subway is really no different than the meat you get at any supermarket deli counter.

                                    In fact, take a look at the Roast Beef ingredients from drongo's post, below:
                                    Roast beef, water, salt, dextrose, corn syrup, sodium phosphates, and spice extractive. Coated with: salt, dextrose, caramel color, pepper and garlic powder.

                                    And compare that to the ingredients in Dietz & Watson's roast beef:
                                    Beef, water, contains less than 1% of salt, sodium phosphate, dextrose, maltodextrin, dried beef stock, caramel color, soluble black pepper, garlic powder, onion powder, grill flavor (from vegetable oil), corn syrup solids, modified corn starch, lemon juice, spice extractives, lemon oil. Coated with salt, dextrose, garlic & onion powder, dried beef stock.

                                    These are basically the same thing. The turkey, ham and other lunch meats sold at Subway compare similarly. Other than the spice combination, Subway's lunch meat is the same as lunch meat sold everywhere across the country. Virtually no sandwich shop, be it a chain or independently-owned, is roasting whole birds and hogs and cuts of beef in the back of the store. Those that do use spice combinations not unlike those listed above.

                                    1. re: MonMauler

                                      Actually, Capriotti's roasts whole turkeys every night, and since they got big, I've seen other sub places follow suit.

                                      1. re: Rilke

                                        Yes, I understand that some do such. Still, I would expect the percentage of sandwich shops that do so out of all of the sandwich shops in the country to be in the low single digits.

                                        Of course, I would love if more cooked their own meats in store. Hopefully Capriotti's and similar sandwich shops will force their competitors to adopt a like approach.

                                        1. re: Rilke

                                          I also know of several places that do roast their own meats in house. I'm very curious about these other things that people have come to call "Deli-Style Meats." They are just weird. I don't get how people have chosen to accept these things as turkey or roast beef, when, it seems it's some sort of chemical composition derived from meat.

                                      2. re: Boston_Otter

                                        Then how is it made? I don't understand how how it can have no consistency of the meat it came from. Spices do not change the consistency like that. In the supermarkets in my area, there are several different grades of turkey at the deli counter. There are turkey breasts which have odd shapes and sizes, there are rectangular loaves with a yellow-ish tinge, and then there are large, uniform oval loaves. The rectangular loaves are CLEARLY not turkey. Turkey does not come in a perfect rectangle. The oval loaves are not turkey either. Turkey does not come in a perfect oval loaf. Then, there are the mis-shapen, real, turkey breasts that have been cooked with spices. I just don't understand how these other loaf things are created. They do NOT have the consistency or the appearance of turkey, yet ppl still think it is turkey? I'm gonna have to use my web-fu to try and find the history behind this - perhaps a vid on how it is created. It is simply not spiced and cooked. There is NO WAY. Spices do not make turkey gelatinous, and rectangular. My suspicion (though it might be wrong) is that since broth is the ingredient listed outside of the "2%," that the turkey meat is blended with the broth, and then the stuff is reformed into an oval or rectangular loaf. Kinda like how hot dogs are made. Seriously - have a real piece of turkey, and then have a piece of Subway's turkey - they are NOT the same thing - not even close.

                                        1. re: gordeaux

                                          There is certainly a middle ground between a whole unprocessed Turkey Breast and a loaf made of "Turkey Foam." You could easily take a bunch of raw Turkey Breasts and put them in a form and cook them together so they form a perfect oval or rectangle, just the way canned hams are made, without grinding them into a paste or really altering them in any way other than to stick them together using a gelatinous broth.

                                          I'm not saying I love the stuff, but it's far from "Turkey Foam."

                                          1. re: acgold7

                                            That does not explain how the consistency of those products is the way it is. My Subways have to be different than the other posters in this thread. Their turkey slices are completely uniform, and do not have the consistency of turkey meat. But, there might be something to the ham theory. Boiled ham comes in a rectangular loaf as well, and you can see the different meat parts pressed together. The consitency is normally less gelatinous, (imo, anyway) than the Subway turkey flavored product. I do recall a turkey product name that I've seen in deli cases that is about as bad as Subway's interpretation of Turkey. It's called "Riverside" turkey. I'll try and web up a pic - it's consistency is nowhere close to turkey, it comes in an oval loaf, and it's got the same color of turkey, but when you bite into it, it is CLEARLY not turkey. there are no signs of pressed turkey parts - all uniform throughout. I may be wrong, again, but in my area, I think the Subways are using some similiar turkey flavored loaf. It's like eating cold rectangular slices of gelatin made from turkey broth.

                                            1. re: gordeaux

                                              I've eaten at Subways all over the place, and nowhere serves meat that's either "whipped" or "gelatin". Yes, please post more information, as if what you're saying is true, your Subway should likely be reported to corporate management.

                                      3. re: gordeaux

                                        Showing a list of what is mostly seasonings that is specifically identified as comprising "2% or less" of the end product" is hardly horrifying.

                                        1. re: ferret

                                          You are 100% correct.

                                          Ask them for one of their "Turkeys" for your holiday dinner. Serve it proudly, since it is turkey, right?

                                          1. re: gordeaux

                                            It is turkey in the same way that the turkey served at any deli or lunch counter is turkey. It is turkey.

                                            1. re: Boston_Otter

                                              Yes, it's turkey. For an overview of how these products are made, see

                                              1. re: Boston_Otter

                                                If you're entering a Subway, then by definition you're lowering your expectations. Splitting hairs as to how much is pretty pointless. The only time I get to Subway is if I'm working late at my office and nothing else is open. My expectations at that point are for fuel and not much else. But if you're seeking a quality of product by "home cooking" standards then you're clearly in the wrong place.

                                                  1. re: ferret

                                                    Yes, let me be clear: by no means do I think Subway is on the level of an actual deli. They're fast food. It's simple, basic food that's of decent quality, is a good price for what you get, and is more than reasonably nutritious and tasty. But not Great Food at all.

                                                    But claiming that their food is fake, lab-grown, or "whipped gelatin" made from soybeans is absurd.

                                  2. re: gordeaux

                                    Here's how Subway describes their own ingredients:

                                    ROAST BEEF Roast beef, water, salt, dextrose, corn syrup, sodium phosphates, and spice extractive. Coated with: salt, dextrose, caramel color, pepper and garlic powder.

                                    TURKEY BREAST Turkey breast, turkey broth, contains 2% or less of: carrageenan, dextrose, modified food starch (derived from corn), salt, seasoned salt (salt, sodium diacetate, flavoring), sodium lactate, sodium phosphate. Browned in soybean oil. May contain: seasonings (modified corn starch, dextrose, salt, carrageenan, sodium diacetate, flavorings), potassium lactate.


                                    At least some processing ... but probably no different than what one can buy in the supermarket. As Boston_Otter suggests, Subway's roast beef is probably similar to that at Arby's described on their website as follows:

                                    Roast Beef: Beef, Water, Salt, Sodium Phosphates.