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fress Jul 21, 2012 06:14 PM

My wife and I are celebrating our anniversary at O Ya next week and would like have cocktails somewhere nearby before our dinner at 8. We're visiting from NYC - the last time I had a drink in Boston was at the Ritz pre Taj takeover so I need guidance. Looking for a place that can make a perfect Negroni or Old Fashioned and is quiet enough so that we can hear each other talk. Any suggestions would be much appreciated!

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    BellaBoston Jul 23, 2012 10:31 AM

    Woodward at the Ames will also whip up some great cocktails pre-dinner! The other suggestions on here are great as well..just trying to add some more options. Also, Storyville has a great craft cocktail room, Minibar above it has excellent staff---if you call and ask if Ryan is working, I wouldn't miss this stop.

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      kimfair1 Jul 23, 2012 06:13 AM

      While I think most of the suggestions in the thread are quite good, do NOT, go to the W for craft cocktails. I had one of the worst two Sazeracs of my life there.

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      1. re: kimfair1
        MC Slim JB Jul 23, 2012 06:55 AM

        I'd say the bartending at the W varies wildly by venue and bartender. I've had seriously well-made drinks at Descent (which unfortunately has the ambiance of a rather tacky nightclub), but the bartender had trained at Drink or ESK. I've had pretty good cocktails at the bar at the back of Market's dining room. And I've had consistently mediocre cocktails at the W's lobby bar, which also usually seems dirty.

        I think the W has the same problem as many hotels that market themselves as belonging in the craft cocktail category: they've got a talented, skilled individual or two, but no consistency across the program. If you don't see a spot in front of the good bartender, you might as well head somewhere else.

        http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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          kimfair1 Jul 23, 2012 07:34 AM

          Yeah, I should have added the caveat that I've had good cocktails when dining at Market, but the awful Sazerac was at the lobby bar. Still not as bad as the Sazerac I was served at La Morra, though. Bourbon on the rocks with a bit of Peychaud's and a lemon wedge. Yep, that's what they called a Sazerac.

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            MC Slim JB Jul 23, 2012 07:50 AM

            I think I had a worse Sazerac from the "craft cocktail" program at Post 390: bourbon, a big dose of absinthe, Peychaud's all shaken over a lot of ice and then strained into a snifter full of ice cubes, topped off with a big lemon wedge. How many ways can you get that drink wrong? I think they hit all of them.

            http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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              barleywino Jul 23, 2012 07:51 AM

              i hope it came with a salted rim? or olives?

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                MC Slim JB Jul 23, 2012 07:52 AM

                No, no, I remember what else now: it was $13.

                http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                  barleywino Jul 23, 2012 07:58 AM

                  i think it's cheaper there if you get a pitcher

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                    Alcachofa Jul 23, 2012 10:14 AM

                    I frequently order a pitcher of Margaritas, extra OJ, then a pitcher of Sazeracs, extra absinthe. ;-)

                    EDIT: I just threw up a little in my mouth.

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                Klunco Jul 23, 2012 08:07 AM

                Are you sure this wasn't at Noir in Harvard Square? Had the exact same drink a couple of years ago minus any absinthe. The cherry on top was when I ordered the drink the waitress said, "wow, those have been really popular recently!"

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                  hotoynoodle Jul 23, 2012 08:08 AM

                  the cocktail execution at post is beyond abominable. ugh.

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                    kimfair1 Jul 23, 2012 10:36 AM

                    Wow, thankfully I never ordered a Sazerac on the one and only time I ate there.

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                    barleywino Jul 23, 2012 08:18 AM

                    maybe next time you can order a Latin Quarter (http://www.foodandwine.com/recipes/la... )-- i think it's more forgiving than a Sazerac if they get it wrong

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                BrettLove Jul 22, 2012 03:46 AM

                Les Zyg is VERY close to O Ya (I think O Ya may even share Les Zyg's valet), but bear in mind if you go on a weekday that even the "quiet" side of Zygomates can get fairly jammed with an "after work drinks crowd", a la Radius. Within a similar distance of Pigalle and BHH/Rowes Wharf (both lovely suggestions for an anniversary beverage IMHO, and not too far of a walk on a summer evening - although the walk from BHH to O Ya would be "nicer" to me; I'm not a huge Stuart/Kneeland St. fan) are also the "new" Ritz, Intercontinental and W (yes, Stuart St. again) hotels; not sure of the worthiness of any of their cocktail programs, but they might (MIGHT - some hotels, like the Ames seem to attract quite the after-work crowd, so check, but...) offer you some breathing room from the downtown business crowd. Happy Anniversary!

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                  enhF94 Jul 22, 2012 05:06 AM

                  self-modded & relocated digression about Les Zygomates here:

                  http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/859785

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                    Jolyon Helterman Jul 22, 2012 07:53 AM

                    I would still go to Drink and just deal with the din. I've done the Drink ---> O Ya evening on several occasions, and the fact that they're equally superlative at their game makes it the perfect pairing for a grand night out.

                    Also: Not sure, but I'd suspect "Negroni or Old Fashioned" is simply stand-in code for classic craft cocktails, not necessarily those particular drinks. Either way, Drink will work well.

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                      fress Jul 22, 2012 10:05 AM

                      Jolyon, your intuition is spot on - classic craft cocktails are what I'm looking for. Thanks to all for your suggestions. I think we'll try Drink, in part because of its proximity to my favorite egg sandwich in the world at Flour; call it culinary feng shui...

                      Since I'm on the topic - any specific tips for O Ya would be also be greatly appreciated; we're eating at the bar and, yes, I have perused the many posts here and Bruni's NYT rave.

                      1. re: fress
                        MC Slim JB Jul 22, 2012 10:16 AM

                        As an alternative to Drink (which I think has one of the very best cocktail programs in the city, but does not meet your original parameter of quiet), I'd also suggest the bar at No. 9 Park: same owner, same commitment to cocktail craft, but generally a much quieter, lower-key experience, with seats at a small bar, a few lounge-y seats, and a cluster of cafe tables, where Drink is either sit at the bar, stand, or wait in line outdoors. It's the same walking distance from O Ya as Drink.

                        http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                  2. re: BrettLove
                    hotoynoodle Jul 22, 2012 09:50 AM

                    +1 on the boston harbor hotel. even busy, there never seems to be a din there, what with the soft, men's club type of decor.

                    the remodeled "new" ritz bar is all hard surfaces and uncomfortable bar stools. i really dislike the reno. bartendersremain the same, so service is generally quite good and nicely amiable.

                    i have had nothing but crap service and terrible cocktails at rumba at the intercontinental.

                    drink will be a mob scene and waiting 15 + minutes for even a perfect cocktail is enough to drive me over the edge if it is the start of my night.

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                      MC Slim JB Jul 22, 2012 10:05 AM

                      I find that the Avery Bar at the new Ritz is a much more comfortable alternative to the Artisan Bistro (main restaurant) bar.

                      I likewise loathe the Intercontinental's bars: dreadful all around.

                      I haven't been in so don't know the noise level, but I wonder if the Smith & Wollensky on the Waterfront might also suit. Luxury steakhouses in Boston are usually quite loud.

                      Also, the bar at the Taj (the old Ritz's successor) is pretty much exactly what it used to be, except it has relaxed its dress code quite a bit, though there isn't a single restaurant in Boston that requires men to don a jacket anymore. (I think some of the private clubs still strongly encourage one.)

                      http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                        hotoynoodle Jul 22, 2012 10:12 AM

                        i like the avery bar too, but am more often there mid-afternoon when it's not yet open. when i have had drinks there kids running through and around have been a major distraction and loud aggravation. i realize they are guests of the hotel, but bars are for adults, not children playing tag.

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                        barleywino Jul 22, 2012 10:51 AM

                        the last time I was at Drink, I was shoehorned into a seat at the bar with people shouting on both sides of me and then waited about 20 minutes for a drink order which never came (the bartenders were slammed), I finally left and went elsewhere. The Smith & Wollensky bar has sports on the TVs above the bar so might not be the ideal atmosphere for an anniversary occasion (unless you both like sports bars)

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                          MC Slim JB Jul 22, 2012 12:14 PM

                          Barleywino raises an important point, which is that as good as it can be, Drink is much less of a special experience when it is very busy, which happens a lot these days. What day of the week and time window is your dinner, fress?

                          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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                            fress Jul 22, 2012 01:20 PM

                            Wednesday at 8 so drinks around 7, I guess.

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                              MC Slim JB Jul 22, 2012 01:30 PM

                              Based on recent experience, I'd say you're likely to encounter a crowd, but probably not a line to get into Drink then. Two is always easier to seat than a larger party. But it is difficult to predict. I can't remember the last time it wasn't at least close to full at 7pm on a weeknight.

                              http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                    2. Food4Thought Jul 21, 2012 10:53 PM

                      Slim has some great calls. Another consideration is Drink ( 348 Congress Street). They will most certainly see to your cocktail needs. It's just a bit shorter walk than the Rowes Wharf Bar-> O-ya trek.

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                        barleywino Jul 21, 2012 11:43 PM

                        I suspect MC did not mention Drink because it can be deafeningly noisy/ packed in like sardines (unless you're there during off hours). If you're going to walk as far as Drink, a much quieter (and dare I say, more hospitable) option would be the bar at Pigalle.

                        1. re: barleywino
                          MC Slim JB Jul 22, 2012 07:23 AM

                          Exactly, barleywino: it is rarely quiet at Drink after about 5pm. Also, I'd suggest that while Drink can indeed make you a great Old-Fashioned or Negroni if that's your fancy, that's not really what they're about.

                          http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

                      2. MC Slim JB Jul 21, 2012 06:24 PM

                        Very close by, the bar on the quiet side (there's live music on the other) of Les Zygomates, a French bistro and wine bar with surprisingly respectable cocktails, would do.

                        Radius, a high-end New American / French restaurant, has a bar that would also suit, though it's not always whisper-quiet.

                        A pleasant 12-minute walk away is the Rowes Wharf Bar in the Boston Harbor Hotel: quiet, old-school, hidden.

                        http://mcslimjb.blogspot.com/

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