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Jul 19, 2012 03:56 PM

Konosuke 300mm Sujihiki!

I'm too tired and lazy right now to do a full review so I'll post a few pics and give a quick rundown.
F&F very nice,rounded choil and spine.
OOTB edge real sharp.Passed the paper and tomato test NP.
Knuckle clearance is good for a knife with a profile this slim.
Handle is stabilized Magnolia wood,wa,octagonal(I usually prefer darker coloured handles but this was nice for a change),very comfy.
OK too much talk,time for some photos..

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    1. re: Notorious P.I.G.

      Got it from Tosho Knife Arts,I love that store... :D

      1. Awesome knife.  But,dammit...i just reached the point in my sabatier slicer fixer-upper project where I didn't regret not getting a sujihiki. Wanna trade?

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        1. re: JavaBean

          <where I didn't regret not getting a sujihiki>

          If you do not regret, then why would you want to trade?

          1. re: JavaBean

            "Wanna trade?"

            You don't want to trade..Sabatiers are great knives,steeped in history and tradition,fixing it up yourself makes it even more so.
            But thanks for the offer.. :)

            You should do a W.I.P for us,if you have the time.

            1. re: petek

              Yeah, you and chem are right.  I deliberately choose an old and neglected one to gain some hands on restoration experience. It's my 1st, so i won't part with it. Unless you want to sweeten the about the sujihiki and one of the other knives  (your choice) for a "highly sought after, limited edition, officially  autographed ****elephant Sabatier - in mint condition." Just kidding. 

               Thus far, i've been working on the blade..
              - sanded off the rust spots; not too bad and no deep pits
              - stuck in a vice for a couple of days to straighten it
              - leveled most of edge to fix the divots / edge gaps
              I need to put a better edge on it with more even shoulders.  The blade is still a little twisted. Plus,  I'd like to replace the handle...just need to figure out how to make one.  

              Is the gyuto and petty also from konosuke? They look awesome too.

              1. re: JavaBean

                <Unless you want to sweeten the about the sujihiki and one of the other knives >

                Ha ha ha. Playing tough huh? I did that in college. I was reselling my textbooks, and I was increasing my prices ever so slightly each week, just to make a point. .... actually I am not so sure if my "point" makes any sense.

                <Is the gyuto and petty also from konosuke?>

                I know Pete has a Konosuke gyuto... I didn't know he has a petty now. Congratulation, Petek.

                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                  I don't understand.. Petek didn't bite on the straight up even swap offer, so I made a two for one counter offer. I don't want to short change myself. Should I have gone for all three? :-)

                  1. re: JavaBean

                    I think your tactic is correct. I think you should go for three knives, but makes the offer next Monday (not now). I think Petek needs some time to digest. He tends to "freeze" when under pressure. I froze when I shopped for my car last time and the car dealer was criticizing me -- it was an odd experience..... he wanted me to put money down, but I said I am not ready to decide to buy this particular car (an Accura) yet, and then he said that I am mising the best opportunity of my life, and then he managed to said "Do you know what is wrong with you?" "You cannot make decision on the spot"

                    I then went home and made the decision to buy a Volvo. :P

                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                      High pressure sales tactics is a good way to get me to shop somewhere else.

                      I had a similar experience buying a used Toyota Tercel off the Ford dealers used lot. I was a cash customer and made that very clear. I was out of town and struck a deal with the saleswoman to buy it for exactly how much cash I had. When I went to the lot, the sales manager would not honor the deal that caused my drive 70 miles with my father to get the car. I told him again that I was a cash customer and he tried to get me to finance $500. I told him no thank you and proceeded leave when he (sales manager) went on a tirade.

                      The saleswoman came in the next day to learn the sale fell through and asked why. I related what the sales manager did to me and told her I was no longer interested at any price. She called back confirming the price we originally agreed to and I relayed my dissatisfaction with the sales manager and wasting 140 miles of gas money and time to show up and be treated so poorly. Two days later she sweetened the deal and had the car delivered to me and promised I would not have to talk to or see the sale manager again (I think he was fired).

                      If I had more money to buy a better car, I would have purchased something from a different source. Such is life for a freshman in college with limited options.

                      1. re: Sid Post

                        <High pressure sales tactics is a good way to get me to shop somewhere else.>

                        Yeah, I hate high pressure sale tactics. The actual conversation I had with that Accura sale manager (also a manager) was a bit longer, but I think I captured the tone in the last post.

                      2. re: Chemicalkinetics

                        Great advice. I've had enough of playing nice, it's time to take off the gloves. Let him sweat it out over the weekend. Yeah!

                  2. re: JavaBean

                    <Is the gyuto and petty also from konosuke? They look awesome too>

                    Yup,they're both Kono's.The petty is Swedish stainless and the gyuto is HD.I've recently made the switch from carbon to SS or semi stainless for work(it's not the steel,it's me)

                    OK I'll sweeten the deal.All 3 konos+2 Moritakas and 2 Kasumi.+ my boardSmith "Carolina Slab" drive a hard bargain! :D

                  3. re: petek

                    "You don't want to trade..Sabatiers are great knives,steeped in history and tradition,fixing it up yourself makes it even more so."

                    Which one, there are about 30 manufacturers using the Sabatier name.

                      1. re: mike0989

                        Hi. Yeah there’s a boatload of different brands of “Sabatier” knives floating around -- including cheap knock-offs. From what I read, the authentic ones were made in France by one of several founding / affiliated manufacturers. Like K-Sabatier, ****Elephant / Thiers Issard, Veritable Bresduck, 2 Lion and Mercier et Cie.

                        FWIW, the 1st three listed above garnered the most positive user comments. Plus, the older “virgin” carbon steel knives (made prior to the late 1980’s) are said to be better than the later recycled carbon steel and stainless steel knives.

                  4. Nice, Pete. Question. Are you planning to switch from gyuto to sujihiki for your main knife? Or are you getting it just for more unique tasks. Some people do use sujihiki as their main knives.

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                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                      No,my gyuto will still be my main go to knife.The extra 2" will take some getting use to(although it's quite nimble for such a long blade).
                      I bought it mainly to use as a carving/slicing knife for work.I gave her a light workout today at the shop and she performed very well(chopping herbs,julienning apples,makling a mirepoix).
                      So far so good :)
                      I could see a 240 or 270mm suji being used as a main knife though..

                    2. Beautiful knife, petek. Is it going to see use at work, or is it staying at home for now?

                      I'm guessing that, like their gyutos, the kono suji is a very slim knife without a pronounced right handed bias. Is that right?

                      Around Christmas, I went and finally bought a suji myself (asked for it as a gift, actually), with plans on trying it out for all-around prep. I went with the 270 mm Carbonext. Didn't do very much research into that particular knife, though I had handled Chem's carbonext santoku. Turns out, their suji is fairly thick and seems much better suited to use as a dedicated slicer than all-around prep. Even more problematic, there is a very pronounced righty bias, which made it pretty much impossible for (left-handed) me to use for prep. Serves me right for not doing my homework. Hope this one lives up to your expectations.

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                      1. re: cowboyardee

                        Have you tried to resell the CarboNext sujihiki? You should try to get it off your hand. Sorry that it did not work out.

                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                          I'm a little worried about my mom showing up at my place and wondering where the nice knife she bought me disappeared to.

                        2. re: cowboyardee

                          Thanks CBAD!

                          It's a work knife,that's the only way I can justify any new knife acquisitions these days(like anyone really needs to justify buyin a new knife :D )

                          As far as I can tell,it has a 50/50 grind and the neutral handle should be fine for you lefty's.

                          Like the HD gyuto,this thing is a total laser weighing in at 138 grams vs 147 for the gyuto.

                          I was originally going to buy the SS version,but the fine people at Tosho made me an offer I couldn't refuse..:)

                          One more photo to show just how long this knife is.

                          1. re: petek

                            Just to clarify, your suji is the HD version, right? I've heard that's more or less stainless anyway (although you're in a better position to say so than I am with your HD gyuto).

                            1. re: cowboyardee

                              It is the HD version,and you're right,it is more or less "stainless' although after cutting some lemons today and not wiping down the blade immediately,I did notice a "patina" of sorts.Nothing like my carbons,but a slight change in appearance of the steel.Kinda cool actually..
                              Not sure if you can see it in this photo..

                              1. re: petek

                                You can see it better here..(sorry)

                                  1. re: scubadoo97

                                    <Very nice suji>

                                    Thanks scubadoo! It's a real pleasure to use..I would recommend Konosuke in a heartbeat!

                                    1. re: petek

                                      <..I would recommend Konosuke >

                                      Any Konosuke or particular ones?

                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                        "Any Konosuke or particular ones?"

                                        I'm using a gyuto, a petty, and a honesuki from kono now and would recommend all three with ZERO reservations. Ive even been beating the crap out of my HD gyuto at work recently to see how much it can take and it's holding up just fine despite being a laser.

                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                          <Any Konosuke or particular ones?>

                                          Well,judging from the 3 that I own(2 HD and 1 SS) I'm pretty sure any Kono would be a fantastic knife to own..
                                          I'm just lucky that I have a local purveyor that sells them!

                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                      That was totally by accident..... :D

                                1. re: petek

                                  Quick update!!
                                  I love this knife!!! :D

                                  That is all....

                                    1. re: JavaBean

                                      Don't be sad Java..Save all your pennies and buy one!That's what I did. :)

                                      1. re: petek

                                        It's time to stock up on ramen noodles.... :-D

                                        1. re: JavaBean

                                          There ya go! Where there's a will,there's a way!

                                          1. re: JavaBean

                                            Why would you love a knife which you don't have? :)

                                              1. re: petek

                                                I was thinking about just that. :) It is a "crush" or "lust"

                                                  1. re: petek

                                                    JavaBean has a knife crush. JavaBean has a knife crush. I am going to tell the teacher. Nyah nyah nyah nyah. :P

                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                      Oh Chem....
                                                      Do you have a "knife crush" you'd like to share with the class??

                                                      1. re: petek

                                                        Yes, I did, teacher. I had huge knife crushes on CCK and Watanabe. Now, these have turned into love. :)

                                                        To be honest, I am not sure what knives I should get next. Since cowboy and you have raved about Konosuke, I may give that a try. I had a crush on Mizuno, but it is out of my reach. Hiromoto AS looks very good, but I have many Aogami (blue) steel knives, so I probably should branch out.

                                                        1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                          agreed, I have had Konosuke on my radar for awhile now, and now that we finally have dual income I can start to plan my trip to try to visit some of the knife making areas

                                                          1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                            <To be honest, I am not sure what knives I should get next.>

                                                            Maybe the Sakai Yusuke white #2 "Special Thin Blade" at blueway Japan could be your new "crush"...

                                                              1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                Chem, I'm not certain, but I believe the 'special thin' version is made to be even thinner than the version I bought. On the 210 mm gyuto, the spine thickness is listed at 1.3 mm. The weight - 95 grams.

                                                                1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                  Thanks for the clarification. How is babycowboy these days? Can you tell if he is a righty or lefty? Time to save up money for his first knife.

                                                                  1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                    Early signs seem to indicate Cowbabyardee favors his right hand. He is doing well, has excellent fine motor control for a 16 month old, and is very interested in what I'm up to in the kitchen - I'll have him applying precise compound bevels and blending em into a smooth convex edge with a mirror finish in no time.

                                                                    1. re: cowboyardee

                                                                      cowboy and petek,

                                                                      I checked on Japanesechefsknife yesterday. Again, the JCK Original Aogmai Super knives are mostly sold out. Man, why do they sell out that quickly? By the way, the new Ryusen Blazen with Japanese Kaji looks nicer.


                                                                      While at it, has Mark's Richmond knives gained any traction? That beyond the initial support and honeymoon period, have they gained quality reputation like the more established knife brands like Tojiro, Fujiwara, Shun, Global...etc.

                                                                      1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                                        <While at it, has Mark's Richmond knives gained any traction?>

                                                                        It seems that Konosuke is producing the "Richmond Laser" for CKTG.Same profiles(petty and gyuto) same steel= Stainless AEB-LVery similar pricing.
                                                                        The petty is pretty much identical to my Kono SS petty(different handle,no machi).
                                                                        I bought mine for less.. :D

                                                                        1. re: petek

                                                                          <Same profiles(petty and gyuto) same steel= Stainless AEB-L>

                                                                          Thanks. If so, then we are talking about the so called Konosuke HH, I think.

                                                                          <Very similar pricing>

                                                                          Yes, similar indeed.

                                                1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                  Cause I don't have one and it's really freaking sexy! :-)

                                                  1. re: JavaBean

                                                    :) Glad you can tell we were just joking. You are a good sport.

                                                    (So what Konosuke you want to get? A gyuto? A petty knife?)

                                                    1. re: Chemicalkinetics

                                                      No worries.  I wouldn't feel right getting something that nice as a drawer queen,so it would have to be a regular user like a gyuto or petty.