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Shame on Gordon Ramsey [MasterChef 7/9]

For making a blind woman cry. Absolutely pointless. We knew she wasn't going home. She knew she hadn't made her best dish. Why make her twist in front of the whole world? I know, it's all about ratings. sigh.

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    1. re: Dave_in_PA

      Real!? {gasp} Dave, what are you saying?

    2. The first of the final three to be called out is always made to twist. The whole point is that she shouldn't get special treatment because she is blind.

      And can we please make sure to indicate the real subject matter and "spoilers" in the headline, just in case someone who hasn't yet seen the episode happens to click on a vague and non-specific title and read too much, too soon?

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      1. re: acgold7

        Sorry ac, you're right I should have indicated. I'm new at starting spoiler threads. It's not that she's blind, more that she's nice, humble person. I wish he'd made Talli cry. That would have been entertaining. Sort of. I just don't care for the gratutitous, mean spirited side of these shows. Spitting out food and throwing stuff in the garbage can.

        1. re: acgold7

          Yes, I read the initial post earlier today as the subject line was completely non-specific, and wasn't too happy, as I hadn't had a chance to see Monday's show yet. :-/

          1. re: LindaWhit

            Yes, very sorry about that. I'lll do better next time. I see that the All Star game pre-empted MC. Is the normal Tues episode going to run on another night or will they just run a Mon/Tue pair next week, bascially reversing the order of the shows. Group challenge then Mystery box?

            1. re: JuniorBalloon

              That's what it looks like per the online TV Guide. Group challenge at the rodeo, as we saw in the previews for Monday night.

              And then dear Lord, please help me NOT gag.....Paula Deen is going to be there on Tuesday for a mystery box challenge. ::::hork!::::::

              1. re: LindaWhit

                WHY DOES PAULA DEEN HAVE TO RUIN EVERYTHING

                First butter now this

                1. re: ennuisans

                  I think because she's a hot topic right now. The diabetic subject-weight loss etc.
                  Why else would she show up on all these cooking food related shows?
                  and they did seem to enjoy her being there.

                  1. re: iL Divo

                    I must admit I felt a little sickened by all the gooing and fawning over her. Yes, she's huge celebrity, and people love her, but it's not like she's Eric Ripert or Jacques Pepin or anything.

                    1. re: acgold7

                      I was a bit embarassed by all the fawning as well, but on MC, they don't usually have "guest" judges, or celebrities, so I guess it was a bit of a surprise for them.

                      I am not very familar with PD, and her voice was so annoying to me, I am surprised people enjoy watching her so much...
                      (she may be a lovely woman but that voice!)

                      1. re: acgold7

                        To be honest, I love the show, but neither are the three hosts of the show. Ripert is a freaking genius. Pepin is a god!

                      2. re: iL Divo

                        I'm actually a little surprised they didn't mention that at all. I thought for sure there would be a "make this healthier" challenge so that she could talk about making "lifestyle changes."

                        1. re: piccola

                          Ahh, yes. Those "lifestyle changes". :-)

                          I'm wondering when MC was taped. She came out about her diabetes in mid-January. Perhaps this was filmed before then?

                          1. re: LindaWhit

                            Come to think of it, Paula Deen merchandizes pretty heavily with Walmart, a company which I recall being mentioned on MC from time to time.

                            1. re: LindaWhit

                              Good point! I hadn't thought about that. But it would mean she anticipated needing positive PR even before she made her big announcement... That's some long-term strategizing.

              2. Yeah, I love christine, but should he be nicer to her than he is to everyone else because she is blind?
                huh?
                That doesnt make sense.

                Even if you had said "Shame on GR for making a person cry"
                it would be silly, because these people willingly put themselves on the show, and they know what they are in for..

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                1. re: NellyNel

                  Exactly. We disabled folks, well many of us anyway, want to be treated like everyone else. She need not be treated with kid gloves, that would be offensive actually.

                    1. re: Lizard

                      She even said she doesn't want to be anyone's role model or inspiration, just another great home cook. Love the lady.

                  1. re: NellyNel

                    Yeah, I don't think Christine should get special treatment because she's blind. I was annoyed that he made her cry, but more because she's my favourite.

                    1. re: piccola

                      eh - at some point ALL of the contestants cry.
                      I watched the episode closely (after I read this thread) and from what we saw, he wasn't mean to her!
                      I mean compared to how GR and JB usually are - he was quite nice about it.
                      Her food did look terrible.
                      I think she was crying because she knew she performed badly, not because GR was mean to her.

                      1. re: piccola

                        I don't mind criticisms, etc. and even those mean spirited ones can be a learning experience. What I hate is when they play with people who are safe and make them seem like they're not. It's pointless. I think Christine was crying both because she knew she made a terrible dish and that she thought she was going home for a dish that wasn't up to her standard. I have the feeling she wouldn't have been as upset if she had done her best and everyone did better. Her being blind is irrelevant to the whole thing. Her being nice/modest/talented, OTOH, matters to me because it makes me pull for her.

                        1. re: chowser

                          +1 to it having nothing to do with her being blind and all about her being nice/modest/talented. I screwed this post up royally from not alerting spoilers, to using phrasing that focused on her blindness, when for me it was never about that. Just annoyed with the berating the contestants get in general. Even though they signed up for it, it makes it less enjoyable.

                          1. re: JuniorBalloon

                            I agree--I hate the berating. I know they do it for ratings but I'd like it so much better if they were civil.

                            1. re: JuniorBalloon

                              Agree to the less enjoyable. I've heard MC Australia is civil, as are other Ramsay shows filmed/showed in Great Britain. The supposed "drama" that continually gets added to American shows gets rather tiring.

                              1. re: LindaWhit

                                LW

                                You're right about his British programmes. His TV persona was set early on by the foul language but more recent stuff is considerably toned down. Of course, he still uses foul language - but it is more just in the way that some working class younger Britons do speak, rather than for effect.

                                By the by, he doesnt do Masterchef, either here or Australia.

                                1. re: Harters

                                  Do you happen to know if he and Michel Roux even speak to each other any more? They are two so incredibly opposite people when it comes to kindness that I have difficulty imagining them as friends, but both economics and politics do make strange bedfellows.

                                2. re: LindaWhit

                                  But, the added drama (esp. with Hell's Kitchen), is a sad commentary on us Americans. Evidently, we want all that, 'cause if it didn't sell here, the producers would make the shows more like the ones in Australia or Great Britain.

                                  1. re: pine time

                                    I know. There are fewer of us who would prefer to see good cooking vs. the DRAAAAAMAHHH, so the producers go that way. ::::sigh::::

                                      1. re: chicgail

                                        WHY do people keep saying that?

                                        It can be said about ANY station that airs reality shows. CBS does it with Big Brother or The Amazing Race or Survivor, The Food Network does it with TNFNS, Lifetime does it with Project Runway, Bravo does it with Top Chef, The Real Housewives, MTV does it with Jersey Shore, ABC does it with Extreme Home Makeover, NBC has it with The Apprentice, etc.

                                        Fox doesn't have the exclusive lock on "added drama," you know.

                                        1. re: LindaWhit

                                          People keep saying that because, as bad as most "reality" TV is, and as fake and phony and over-the-top as it is, that little odious dwarf Mike Darnell, who runs reality at FOX, is the guy who pioneered the stop-at-nothing-to-show-the-humiliation-of-participants programming. IIRC, he actually got booted out of Fox at one point because he went too low even for them, for doing something like a dwarf-tossing contest, but their ratings plummeted, so they brought him back and promoted him. He is now President of Reality and ranked the third most powerful guy in Reality TV. It is thanks to him that Fox has, and always will have, the reputation of being willing to sink lower and willing to stop at nothing for ratings. And it has been very profitable for them.

                                          1. re: acgold7

                                            Umm, this isn't a game of "who started it" (sounds like third graders pointing fingers on a playground). They are ALL in the same sandbox flinging cat poop.

                                            I repeat - Fox doesn't have the exclusive lock on "added drama".

                                            1. re: LindaWhit

                                              No, you're right, they all do it, but you asked why people always assume Fox is the worst offender, and that's why. They made their reputation as the net that pushes the boundaries of good taste and outrageousness more than any other (Married With Children, When Animals Attack) and they tenaciously cling to that reputation, that's all. It's not wrong of people to remember that.

                                              I don't see anybody pointing fingers or acting like a third-grader here. You asked a question and I gave you the answer.

                                              1. re: acgold7

                                                MTV was pushing boundaries with The Real World before Fox got into reality programming. The pointing fingers is ONLY at Fox. Not at any other station for playing lemming and following along.

                                                Look - I know it's all about the almighty dollar with all of these networks. But regardless of WHO started it, they ALL do it. Pointing fingers at just one station as the source of all that is bad on TV is rather silly at this point.

                                                1. re: LindaWhit

                                                  Fox had already raised the ire of the Parents Television Council with Married With Children in 1987 or so, when it premiered, while The Real World on MTV didn't premiere until 1992. So their reputation for outrageousness predates their entry into reality, sort of, although COPS clearly was treading new ground and pushing the boundaries at that time as well.

                                                  No one is saying Fox is the only Network (not station) that amps up the phony drama in "reality" programming... at least that's not what I'm getting from these and other posts. But I think the perception is that it's a matter of degree and Fox is willing to go further than anyone else (in the broadcast world -- cable is another story), and I think that perception is justified based on what Fox has gleefully (pun intended) done in the past with both its narrative and its reality programming.

                                                  But again, I agree with you -- I think we all do -- that everyone does this to some extent, and there is nothing real about reality programming. But there is a spectrum -- Survivor is, for example, quite different from, say, The Bachelor (sad when Survivor is the "class act" of the genre).

                                                  I was really only trying to address the question of why people think the standards are "lower" for Fox, and again it is because Fox relishes and cultivates this perception. I did not at all perceive the post that started this all to be an assertion that only Fox does this.

                                          1. re: lifeasbinge

                                            You DO realize that's the motto of a completely different network, and they're constantly at war with one another, don't you? FBC and FNC hate each other.

                                            FBC makes no claim to be either.

                                  2. re: chowser

                                    It seems cruel, sometimes, how they mess with the contestants re: who stays and who goes. I mean, the suspense is high enough without them trying to psych people out.

                                    1. re: piccola

                                      And we only see a fraction of it. You can imagine what they go through.

                                  3. re: piccola

                                    Nobody MAKES anyone else cry. Even Gordon Ramsay. People do or say what they do and someone else does or doesn't cry.

                                    Think about it. GR said some really not-nice stuff to Tali, but Tali didn't cry. He just popped right up again like a blow-up clown spouting the same silly stuff he'd been saying. It just ain't up to GR whether someone cries or not.

                                    Nobody can make someone else happy or sad or angry. It's an illusion. If it were true then we'd all be victims of everyone else and with no control over how we are at any given moment.

                                    1. re: chicgail

                                      I wont watch any show with Gordon Ramsay because he is so rude and the bleeped f-bombs are not ever necessary IMHO.

                                      1. re: randyjl

                                        His behavior - at least as directed and edited on-screen - offends me, too. But he doesn't' make anyone do anything.

                                      2. re: chicgail

                                        Being affected by the opinion of someone you respect doesn't make a person a victim. It means we value that person's opinions and not just our own. That's why Tali is so unaffected by comments. He thinks so highly of himself that he doesn't value anyone else's opinion, even the professionals. He's the perfect example of why I'd hate to be completely unaffected by others.

                                        1. re: chicgail

                                          I agree. What I meant was, I was annoyed that she was upset -- because I like her and she's good, not because she's blind.

                                          1. re: piccola

                                            I felt badly that she was upset also. She had no valid reason to be. I suspect that the producers, off-screen, prime people for that kind of on-camera reaction.

                                          2. re: chicgail

                                            Philosophically I agree with you chicgail, but a person can try, which says more about them than the person they target.

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                                        1. JB, do you have any idea how edited these things are? she could have been crying two hours before. Also, everyone cries on reality tv

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                                          1. re: jhopp217

                                            aha! the burning "question" about "reality TV" - "is it real?" of course it's real, there's no way that contestants on Survivor are sitting down to a nice breakfast of steak and eggs after the camera stops rolling. chunk of the Brooklyn Bridge, anyone? cheap?

                                            1. re: lifeasbinge

                                              I don;t watch survivor, but always found it weird how some people look like they lose 30lbs and some look like they lost 2. Seems odd