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Jul 9, 2012 09:53 PM

Nihonryori RyuGin vs. Aronia de Takazawa vs. Les Creations de Narisawa

Hi all -

First time poster, long time lurker. I only have one day where I can eat at one of these restaurants. I've done quite a bit of research, and each restaurants does have its strong points. However, I haven't seen a head to head comparison between all three.

Could someone provide their wisdom?

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  1. Head to head Ryugin - Narisawa:

    Head to head Ryugin - Takazawa:

    This has been discussed here ad absurdum. If you have done your research into the three restaurants as you say, you will know that they are each very different propositions so a head-to-head seems pretty pointless - you are not comparing like and like. Why not read the gazillion posts on chowhound about each of those restaurants and then make up your mind which of them sounds most like a place you want to visit?

    I went to Aronia (now just called Takazawa) for the first time in a very long time last Saturday and it's still very good. Don't get the point of the rebranding (from Aronia de Takazawa to Takazawa, with a desire to "show more love to Japanese ingredients"), as far as I am concerned the changes are cosmetic. They always used lots of Japanese ingredients (and in fact their list of premium Japanese wines is much smaller now so if anything there are fewer Japanese ingredients - still worth visiting though).

    I despise Narisawa or rather despise the ridiculous hype - it is a perfectly fine restaurant which however is overpriced and totally overhyped, like some sort of culinary paradise (which it is not, unless you also think that the emperor has clothes). Ryugin was very good when I last went, but that's a long time ago. In any event, none of this tells you anything of value about which to choose - read about each of them and see what you think. You might even love Narisawa, many people do even if I don't.

    2 Replies
    1. re: Asomaniac

      Asomniac: It wouldn't recommend any of these restaurants highly. What would you recommend in Tokyo? Anything and everything is fine.

      1. re: quddous

        I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding - the point of my post wasn't to imply that I didn't like Ryugin or Aronia, but to express frustration that many people coming on this board seem to just want to discuss a very short list of restaurants that have been discussed over and over and over and over and over again on this board. If people are interested in those restaurants, they should look at the already existing posts - they get more information that way and are not asking regular posters to post YET ANOTHER post about the same places.

        I didn't really comment on Ryugin in my post, and I did say Aronia is still very good (following their rebranding, which I feared my change the restaurant but didn't).

        Ryugin is my favourite kaiseki restaurant in Tokyo, and I love Aronia as well. I do think Aronia is overpriced, but it is a fairly unique experience and therefore worth trying at least once in my view.

    2. I did them all! Dinner at Aronia de Takazawa, lunch at Les Creations and then dinner (after 9pm) at RyuGin. This worked out perfectly, lunch at Les Creations was quiet (and more affordable), and I got to experience RyuGin a la carte menu. I went on a Wednesday, it was quiet at both restaurants and I even got to meet Chef Seigi. Go, go, go!