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Kisco Deli To Return To Mount Kisco?

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GrifinMil Jul 2, 2012 12:52 PM

Word is that Kisco Deli is closing in White Plains? Will they relocate back to the Mt Kisco area?
It would be a most welcomed return.

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    wincountrygirl RE: GrifinMil Jul 2, 2012 02:40 PM

    I doubt it - the rents are way to high, but I work across the street from the White Plains location - I'll ask. Where would it be located?

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      apples RE: wincountrygirl Jul 2, 2012 05:33 PM

      It would be great,,,but I doubt it. I think like wincountrygil says, they find it to be too costly up here. I had asked Epsteins if they would come up here and they said they had looked into it but just not enough bsuiness for them. Same reason why Blooms had to close

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        Elisa515 RE: wincountrygirl Jul 2, 2012 10:35 PM

        Is anything left on that block? I used to work a couple doors down from Kisco Kosher--loved getting a felafel sandwich when I had time to grab something to eat.

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          wincountrygirl RE: Elisa515 Jul 3, 2012 03:57 AM

          Rumor has it that even the Gap is closing because of high rent. The Mt. Kisco Farm was going to close but they were finally able to negotiate a better rent.

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            i_eat_a_lot_of_ice_cream RE: wincountrygirl Jul 3, 2012 05:47 AM

            Nooooooo! If Banana Republic closes too I think I will cry! That block has been my salvation from the horror of the Westchester mall!

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              Elisa515 RE: wincountrygirl Jul 3, 2012 10:14 AM

              I was asking about that block in WP. Do you mean in Mt. Kisco?

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                wincountrygirl RE: Elisa515 Jul 3, 2012 12:32 PM

                HA! That block in WP is about the same. There is a new restaurant called Mulberry Street where Eclisse used to be. Have not tried it yet but its kind of cute - red and white checkered table cloths and all.

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          Barrels41 RE: GrifinMil Jul 3, 2012 07:09 PM

          I don't see Mt. Kisco as a deli town. It caters to the 1% crowd who diet and work out. Better they move to Queens. Epstein's in Hartsdale is my favorite to put another nail in my cholesterol coffin.

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            wincountrygirl RE: Barrels41 Jul 4, 2012 04:34 AM

            I grew up on Epsteins - first one on Jerome Avenue in the Bronx. I have to say, though I love Epsteins - and some of the same waitresses have been there for years - I did prefer the days when they used Zion kosher meat. They are far superior to the Hebrew National.

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              DWeiss RE: wincountrygirl Jul 17, 2012 06:20 AM

              I used to work at Epsteins. Now they are skimpy compared to Katz's, which is where you want to go for the cholesterol coffin. Nothing beats a ride to the lower east side to see your maker! I know the owner of the former Kisco Kosher and he tells me that the WP location he moved to is now DOA. Between Rents, Landlord, Patrons disinterest and the economy that it was a money pit bleeding him dry!

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                wincountrygirl RE: DWeiss Jul 17, 2012 09:16 AM

                Tell him we miss him!

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                  Barrels41 RE: DWeiss Jul 17, 2012 07:18 PM

                  Did he ever do well there? Seems like a dead spot except for bars. Near the Courthouse would have been better. Lawyers like deli.

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                    wincountrygirl RE: Barrels41 Jul 18, 2012 03:32 AM

                    Not sure how I feel about the lawyers like deli remark, but I was glad it was where it was as I work across the street. But there really are not that many offices right there and they sure could use a new place near the courthouses,

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                      DWeiss RE: wincountrygirl Jul 18, 2012 05:37 AM

                      WP is a horrible place to do business. You can't park. The building department is loaded with difficult people, even if you are in compliance. In general, very unfriendly to business, except if you happen to have a Mamaroneck Avenue Gastro Pub preparing POOR food at breakneck prices.

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                        MisterBill2 RE: DWeiss Jul 18, 2012 04:25 PM

                        You can park, you just have to pay for it.

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                          DWeiss RE: MisterBill2 Jul 18, 2012 06:33 PM

                          TRUE! Be prepared to PAY if you're three minutes late :-( What doe it cost for business owners and staff? It's a can of worms either way.

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                            MisterBill2 RE: DWeiss Jul 20, 2012 06:30 PM

                            I hate paying for parking as much as almost anyone, but I don't see it affecting WP businesses.

                            Amazingly, parking at New Roc City (do they still call it that) costs more than parking at the WP City Center garage ($1/hr vs 75c). Also, at least in the City Center garage, you can add time using your Smartphone.

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                        Barrels41 RE: wincountrygirl Jul 19, 2012 05:27 AM

                        No insult to lawyers intended. I go to Epstein's occasionally. The dinner crowd is 75+, the lunch crowd, is businessmen and professionals. They ladies line up at Chopped Salad at Rye Ridge. Commissaries at office parks have hurt lunch business. I hear Ben's will be a category killer. Just too far from White Plains for a quick lunch.

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                          MisterBill2 RE: Barrels41 Jul 20, 2012 06:26 PM

                          Ben's as in Long Island Ben's? Where? When?

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                            mrsdebdav RE: MisterBill2 Jul 21, 2012 11:13 AM

                            Emailed them. Got an immediate reply. Suggest anyone who wants Ben's to come to Westchester contact them. Here's the response:

                            Why? Is there a need for a kosher restaurant and delicatessen in Westchester?
                            With best regards,
                            Ronnie Dragoon
                            CEO/Founder

                            Ben's Restaurant Group, Inc.
                            140 Wheatley Plaza
                            Greenvale, New York 11548
                            Tel (516) 933-9200 Ext. 20
                            Fax (516) 933-9221
                            www.bensdeli.net

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                              DeliMaven RE: mrsdebdav Jul 21, 2012 12:53 PM

                              If it was a great deli, it would still need an incredible location to succeed in this economy. Epstein's is doing well in Hartsdale and they have one in Yonkers too. Where would you put a new deli? Forget White Plains.

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                                apples RE: DeliMaven Jul 24, 2012 07:18 AM

                                There is a huge hole I think in Northern Westchester for a kosher deli/catering restaurant.

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                                  DeliMaven RE: apples Jul 24, 2012 08:36 AM

                                  Assuming the economy doesn't really tank (which I think it will), where would be a good place demographically? I'm not too familiar with Norther Westchester.

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                                    Axel Heyst RE: DeliMaven Jul 24, 2012 09:02 AM

                                    That's a good question. There was a failed deli in Yorktown heights-Blooms.

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                                      MisterBill2 RE: Axel Heyst Jul 31, 2012 01:22 PM

                                      But did Blooms tank because of the area or because people disliked it. I love deli and I live in Yorktown and I stopped going there because I was not thrilled with the food or portion size. Presumably enough other people also stopped going there that they had to close. We'd go to Ben's whenever we visited my mother-in-law in Queens. She now lives in Riverdale so we don't get to Queens very often. Was the deli in Mt. Kisco not doing enough business in MK to survive or did he move because he thought he could do better in WP (and lost his lease in MK, as I recall)? I would think you want to look at the Jewish demographics in Westchester and base it on that. Sammy's Kosher Meat does survive in Bedford Hills, so presumably that BH/MK area can support a kosher food seller. Just thinking out loud.. sorry for rambling.

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                                        Axel Heyst RE: MisterBill2 Aug 1, 2012 07:10 AM

                                        MB2-Good questions. Blooms was ok from the start and then went downhill pretty fast. My recollection of MK Deli was that he either lost his lease or did not want to pay more to rent in MK. Re Sammy's kosher meats...I went there once and was pretty much underwhelmed but they do survive probably due to not having any competition.

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                                          MisterBill2 RE: Axel Heyst Aug 1, 2012 07:50 PM

                                          Yes we were also underwhelmed by Sammy's and never shop there. I think they sell cold cuts so a deli coming back to the area could affect them negatively. If we had a Fairway or Costco in the area that sold kosher meat they'd be gone.

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                                            wincountrygirl RE: Axel Heyst Aug 2, 2012 03:48 AM

                                            I believe the building owner did not want a restaurant there anymore.

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                                        wincountrygirl RE: DeliMaven Jul 24, 2012 09:12 AM

                                        They say a good conversation always comes back to the first thought - how about Mt. Kisco!!

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                                          apples RE: DeliMaven Jul 24, 2012 11:04 AM

                                          I think Mt.Kisco would be a perfect location. It would draw from the nearby areas of Katonah, Goldens Bridge, Somers, Yorktown, Armonk, Bedford, Briarcliff, Ossining, pound Ridge....

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                                DeliMaven RE: wincountrygirl Jul 19, 2012 07:51 PM

                                It is no secret many lawyers and judges like Kosher Deli...Brooklyn had a great deli on Court Street I ate at for many years...Queens had Pastrami King across from the courthouse...there was one near the Bronx courts.

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                              DeliMaven RE: DWeiss Jul 19, 2012 07:41 PM

                              I live in White Plains...I have eaten Kosher Deli food for 40 years. My father was a legend in the business and owned a deli. I consider myself an expert.

                              Before Kisco opened in WP, I always ate at Epstein's. It was hit or miss at the time. When Kisco opened, we immediately became very steady customers. Hector cut the sandwiches. I would ask him off to the side what was good that day...sometimes he gave me special cuts. Never got a bad sandwich with Hector. When he left, it was a bit dicier, but I could get samples before I ordered. Talking to the owner and seeing the neighborhood dissolve around him, I knew he would have a hard time. Recently, I had been getting sandwiches that were inedible and sending them back. I knew the end was near. I have tried Epstein's a few times lately and must say have not been disappointed yet. Another option, is Liebman's in Riverdale. It is about 25 minutes from White Plains...food is good and it is a very cozy place in a nice area. They have parking in the back. Just don't order club bread with your sandwich.

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                                wincountrygirl RE: DeliMaven Jul 20, 2012 03:54 AM

                                I really loved Epsteins in the old days - and I guess that will be my only option now. I work in WP and really can't go to Riverdale for my brisket sandwich!! I wonder what deli your dad owned??

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                                  DeliMaven RE: wincountrygirl Jul 20, 2012 07:08 AM

                                  He owned a deli on Kings Highway in Brooklyn in the 70s...he also helped open many of the Wolf's Delis.

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                                    wincountrygirl RE: DeliMaven Jul 21, 2012 04:20 AM

                                    I used to go to the Wolf's in Wall Street back in the 70's. There were so many great kosehr deli's back then. What a shame - I miss that!

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                                      DeliMaven RE: wincountrygirl Jul 21, 2012 06:57 AM

                                      Don't think Wolf's was Kosher...kind of like Carnegie is today. My father Norman worked at 42 Broadway a few times.

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                                        wincountrygirl RE: DeliMaven Jul 22, 2012 03:56 AM

                                        I think you're right, but they still had good "kosher" sandwiches!

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                                          weedy RE: wincountrygirl Jul 22, 2012 01:16 PM

                                          which is surely the POINT.

                                          I care about good, not about 'rules'.

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                                  DeliMaven RE: DeliMaven Aug 1, 2012 10:53 AM

                                  Went to Liebman's in Riverdale Sunday...had a killer Corned Beef sandwich. Even I could not find fault with it. Excellent french fries too...hot dog had been left on the grill too long...I could have sent it back, but it was no big deal. You can take a nice stroll in the neighborhood after. It takes me an extra 10 minutes than going to Epstein's and they have parking in the back. Our waiter remembers us already and is very funny.

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                                    MisterBill2 RE: DeliMaven Aug 1, 2012 07:47 PM

                                    We were going to eat at Liebman's last time we visited my MIL in Riverdale but she didn't want to go. Maybe next time.

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