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givemecarbs Jun 26, 2012 11:02 AM

http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/america...

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  1. Bacchus101 RE: givemecarbs Jun 26, 2012 02:10 PM

    Well that is some nice recognition. Add this to the Roasted Pork victory as best of the east, the legendary hoagy and the ubiquitous cheesesteak and Philly is on a roll. No pun intended!

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      bluehensfan RE: Bacchus101 Jun 26, 2012 04:00 PM

      Funny how residents and visitors differ in their perceptions of what is good:
      http://www.travelandleisure.com/ameri...

      As an aside, with the DiNic's roast pork victory for the East the competition from the other regions seems pretty weak thus far with maybe the po-boy being the closest competitor? I think Katz's was a bigger hurdle IMO.

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        Philly Ray RE: bluehensfan Jun 26, 2012 04:31 PM

        I think the Italian Beef sandwich is a worthy competitor.

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          bluehensfan RE: Philly Ray Jun 27, 2012 04:28 AM

          Yah I forgot about that one. The one from Savannah seemed kinda weak.

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          Cheesesteak RE: bluehensfan Jun 27, 2012 06:49 AM

          That's one of the better polls I've seen in a while. I could care less about polls, but that one perfectly illustrates Philadelphia's inferiority complex with itself. I'm a fairly young guy who takes advantage of all the great restaurants and other places that we have, but I'd say I'm in the minority among my group of friends. Many people who live here choose not to see that we live in a great city. It's not perfect, but it is better than most places. I know too many people who always think that the grass is greener somewhere else. It's not a good way to think. Anyway, that's probably way off topic, but that's just my two cents.

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            barryg RE: Cheesesteak Jun 27, 2012 07:05 AM

            I've heard some people say that the root of the "Negadelphian" complex is a sort of mutation of the humble mentality of our Quaker roots combined with the hardships the city experienced in the '80s and '90s. Unfortunately a lot of these Negadelphians can't see how much the city has improved over the past 10-15 years--the chow scene definitely, but overall quality of life too.

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              cwdonald RE: barryg Jun 27, 2012 08:10 AM

              The other history of feeling neglected goes back to the origins of our country, where we lost the role of being the central city. The we became a speedbump between the new capital (DC) and the old capital, NYC.

              Add on top of it things like sports teams that lose (Phillies, A's, Eagles, Flyers since 1976). Appearance of corruption, high crime, and not very cosmopolitan, and you have generations of people growing up with chips on their shoulders, and also a fatalistic attitude.

              I have only been in the area for the last 20 years, coinciding with the second Rendel administration. Very interesting to see the growth and change in the city and the suburbs. But it takes a long time to overcome generational prejudices.

              That said, I still do not understand how Providence is a great burger town....

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              Bacchus101 RE: Cheesesteak Jun 27, 2012 09:54 AM

              Having lived in a few major US cities and work in a some European metro areas, for my own purposed, I find Philadelphia standing up nicely, especially in the last 20 years. A UOP historian book "Quaker Philadelphia Puritan Boston addresses some of the issues referred to by barryg. There were and still are some very negative union issues here which included major strikes during war time which sully the city's reputation and contribute to the negativism. Previous sports records, dirty streets, Legionare;s disease and the media's need to find a whipping boy city for anything and everything. Some of the negativity will only depart as generations pass.

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                tzanghi RE: Cheesesteak Jun 28, 2012 07:14 AM

                This is true. I've been to NOLA a few times, and people rave about the burger at Port of Call. I had it and was entirely unimpressed; it was certainly no better than an average burger in Philly.

                This just reaffirms my intuition that Philly is the sandwich capital of America and possibly the world. Such quality AND quantity.

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                  Buckethead RE: tzanghi Jun 28, 2012 07:50 AM

                  So what is the sandwich capital of Philly? I'd say Paesano's.

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                    cwdonald RE: Buckethead Jun 28, 2012 09:00 AM

                    Johns Roast Pork might be the other.........

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                    bluehensfan RE: tzanghi Jun 28, 2012 08:34 AM

                    Ever try Camelia Grill?

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                      tzanghi RE: bluehensfan Jun 28, 2012 10:02 AM

                      To Buckethead: I'd say South Philly. If I must be more specific, then I agree about Paesano's. My favorite two sandwiches in the city are both there.

                      To Bluehensfan: I have not. I could go on all day about NOLA food, but I have not tried Camelia Grill. Any good?

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                        bluehensfan RE: tzanghi Jun 28, 2012 10:31 AM

                        Pre-Katrina it was. My uncle and then my cousin owned it. Great burgers, omelettes, and pecan pie. After Katrina went through they sold the place to a friend of Emeril and never returned to NOLA. I heard that since he took over it's gotten greasier and is not what it used to be. Oh well...at least there is always Mother's.

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              jujuthomas RE: givemecarbs Jun 27, 2012 08:19 AM

              a friend and I are meeting up at Village Wiskey on Saturday. Can't wait!

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                Buckethead RE: jujuthomas Jun 27, 2012 08:21 AM

                Get the Village Burger, not the Whiskey King (the one mentioned in the Yahoo article).

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                  cwdonald RE: Buckethead Jun 27, 2012 08:22 AM

                  Wny do you suggest that Buckethead?

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                    Buckethead RE: cwdonald Jun 27, 2012 08:47 AM

                    The beef patty they've created at VW is great, the Village Burger only has a few minimal toppings and really lets you taste the beef. The Whiskey King piles it high with lots of ingredients with big flavors that overwhelm it (blue cheese, bacon, caramelized onions).

                    ETA: Also, it's $26 for the Whiskey King vs. $11 for the Village Burger.

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                      cwdonald RE: Buckethead Jun 27, 2012 08:53 AM

                      Thanks.. .it is always great to hear whys, especially from people's opinions I highly respect.

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                        Buckethead RE: cwdonald Jun 27, 2012 09:14 AM

                        Thanks!

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                        jujuthomas RE: Buckethead Jun 27, 2012 09:03 AM

                        I'm a purist at heart so the village burger is right up my alley. :) thanks for the recommendation!

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                          Delucacheesemonger RE: Buckethead Jun 27, 2012 09:33 AM

                          Agree with Village burger completely for all the same reasons.

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                        jujuthomas RE: Buckethead Jun 28, 2012 06:20 AM

                        Buckethead, did you try the duck fat fries?

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                          Buckethead RE: jujuthomas Jun 28, 2012 08:00 AM

                          Yes, they're pretty good but while I think the Village Burger is the best burger in the city (though I still need to try Sketch), the fries are not. They're a fine accompaniment to the burger but I've never thought to myself "Man, I really need to eat those fries again"!

                          Some people like them more than I do though, search the Philly board for Village Whiskey and you'll get lots of opinions.

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                            lost squirrel RE: Buckethead Jun 29, 2012 06:09 AM

                            I'm not generally a fan of duck fat fries myself. Whenever I get a craving for fries, it's now for the belgian ones at Hot Diggity on South St. I don't think I'll have a hot dog there again, but I'll def be back for the fries.

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                              barryg RE: lost squirrel Jun 29, 2012 06:10 AM

                              Are the Hot Diggity fries like Belgian frites, really thick, kind of like a steak fry? Or the Philly version of Belgian fries, thin and crispy, as served at Monk's?

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                                caganer RE: barryg Jun 29, 2012 06:53 AM

                                They're thick like Belgian frites except they don't peel the potatoes. I think they're a couple millimeters too thick but there's no point in quibbling over that. I like them. They've gotten better or at least more consistent since they opened for sure.

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                                  Holly Moore RE: caganer Jun 29, 2012 09:23 AM

                                  Hot Diggity and Eurpopean Republic fries are same size as those I've had at Pommes Frites stands in Belgium. For the past few years, most everyone has been selling shoestring fries which are so thin they are often over or under fried and don't hold up. It is good to see proper fries becoming more common in Philadelphia.

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                                  lost squirrel RE: barryg Jun 30, 2012 03:19 AM

                                  Like Caganer says, THICK! They're right up my alley and you can sample all their different sauces, some more successful than others.

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                                tfalbo RE: Buckethead Jul 2, 2012 01:03 PM

                                I would have formerly counted myself among those that go nuts for the duck fat fries, but we went to VW two weeks ago and got both the fries and the tater tots. The tater tots blew the fries out of the water. It's not totally the fries fault though; they were the best tater tots I've ever eaten, by a very wide margin. Also +1 on going for the Village Burger. If anything you can add one a la carte topping and still be in for half the price of the Whiskey King. But I agree with the others in that the burger itself is so flavorful you don't gain much by piling a bunch of stuff on top of it.

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                          Holly Moore RE: givemecarbs Jun 27, 2012 11:18 AM

                          I can't wait to visit San Juan, the fifth best burger city in all the US and its territories.

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                            cwdonald RE: Holly Moore Jun 27, 2012 11:29 AM

                            Which is amazing considering the dire condition of the local cattle industry in PR. Fifty years ago they produced 75 percent of the meat, today 10 percent.

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                              bluehensfan RE: Holly Moore Jun 28, 2012 05:02 AM

                              If I were in San Juan a burger would be the last thing on my mind. I'd be heading to Cayey for the lechon.

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                                Holly Moore RE: bluehensfan Jun 28, 2012 08:33 AM

                                Kinda what I was trying to say - questioning the credibility of this poll.

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                                  Bacchus101 RE: Holly Moore Jun 28, 2012 08:52 AM

                                  What credibility? The method and size of the sampling? Who's opinions are being polled, when and where? It would be a surprise if this was an objective, comprehensive, scientifically done poll. It is merely and collection of subjective opinions from unknown sources based on no/or unknown criteria. Interesting and lists are very popular for quick internet reads. But as I liked the results: I say go with it!

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                                    caganer RE: Bacchus101 Jun 28, 2012 09:25 AM

                                    I've been "in" on editorial meetings at a publication where these lists have come about. Whether the article has any real informative value isn't really a consideration. These things are done because they make everyone happy - readers are happy because lists are entertaining without requiring them to read lots of words or think too much (a harsh but basically true assessment, I've seen research to suggest as much), the business sides of publications love them because they sell ads/attract viewers and editorial departments love them because they are easy and cheap.

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                                      Holly Moore RE: caganer Jun 28, 2012 10:32 AM

                                      Lists always got me through writer's block and a deadline.

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                                        barryg RE: Holly Moore Jun 28, 2012 11:47 AM

                                        Worth noting that this list is not an editorial but it based on T&L online poll results. It comes out annually. The polls of course are not scientific and are highly self-selecting.

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