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Hop Li Arcadia Gone?

Chandavkl Jun 17, 2012 08:21 PM

On the East Coast for two weeks and I can't follow up. Any additional info appreciated.

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    Johnny L Jun 18, 2012 12:06 AM

    Noticed it too a few days ago since I live very close to it. Last time I checked it out they were working on either taking apart the interior or putting together a new one.

    If I swing by I'll snap a pic of new signage.

    Hopefully we can get better dimsum than Full House in this area. Be a good way to mitigate the Sunday waits.

    1. raytamsgv Jun 18, 2012 06:19 PM

      The inside looks like it's completely being redone--scaffolding and ladders are everywhere. There is a sign on the door. My Chinese isn't that great, but this is what I *think* it says: 肉部装修即将開幕. I think it means something like, "Meat Department renovations. WIll open soon." I don't quite understand the "Meat Department" portion.

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        Johnny L Jun 19, 2012 01:16 AM

        Are they possibly adding a roast meat takeout section then?

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          luckattack Sep 25, 2012 08:37 AM

          i think you meant 內部 (interior)

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        tahiat Jun 21, 2012 08:08 PM

        You're on the East Coast? You're making quite the waves with your Top 10 Best Chinese Restaurants amongst New Yorkers. They are quite stirred about the fact that they are all in Cali. Check it out:
        http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/854984

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          Johnny L Sep 24, 2012 04:08 PM

          So I passed by today and noticed there is new signage up. The new restaurant is called:

          Park Avenue, Chinese Cuisine. Only happened to drive by so no idea on how far along the interior is.

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            jasongg06 Oct 20, 2012 12:59 PM

            hey johnny i saw the same thing. I didn't catch the chinese name but my parents saw it and apparently it said "lan kwai fong".. as in the area in hk? i'll confirm later

            also liangs kitchen arcadia appears to be closed, with opus sushi replacing it

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              Johnny L Oct 21, 2012 02:59 AM

              That doesn't make sense, Lan Kwai Fong is where all the expats and promiscuous girls hang out. Hopefully it will do a decent dim sum service at least.

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                jasongg06 Oct 21, 2012 10:08 AM

                ok so they're still under construction. I tried to go in but as i drove by, it was apparent that they're still working on it. Also, my chinese friend confirmed that it says lan kwai fong.. i find it strange as well.

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                  Johnny L Oct 21, 2012 10:52 PM

                  The whole Park Avenue name is stupid anyway, typical Chinese naming conventions with trying to make something sound luxurious or awesome, I'll never understand how they work.

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                    jasongg06 Oct 26, 2012 08:57 PM

                    i went to try it tonight. It wasn't bad, but there was a lot of culture shock with 2/3 of the wait staff being non-asian. They couldn't understand my parents nor could they explain what the dishes were (most were self explanatory though)

                    It's a mix of cantonese and taiwanese style food. Also some americanized chinese food like mongolian beef.

                    doesn't look to be dimsum, more like a fusion cafe. Food wasn't bad but it was pretty expensive at night (lots of $13.95 pricing)

                    I'd give them a few months before trying unless you wanna deal with some start up awkwardness.

                    also their milk tea is very bad and does not appear to be hk style.

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                      Chandavkl Oct 26, 2012 10:05 PM

                      After reading your review here and Yelp, this sounds like the most disappointing Chinese restaurant opening in years.

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                        jasongg06 Oct 26, 2012 11:37 PM

                        it was just an awkward experience mixed with avg food @ sky high prices. I'll check again in awhile and hope they're able to adjust. I also flagged all the the yelp reviews participating in the flame war between the 1 star army and the 5 star army

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                          Chandavkl Oct 31, 2012 06:12 PM

                          I think the 1 stars are winning. Almost empty at noontime. This is just another cafe, with nothing apparently standing out.

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                            Johnny L Nov 1, 2012 01:18 AM

                            Jeez sounds terrible. A Chinese person with too much money for their own good opening a restaurant? Seems like it happens more often these days.

                            Why is it Arcadia sucks at attracting good restaurants. You'd think with the high discretionary income there would be more decent places trying to open up.

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                              ipsedixit Nov 1, 2012 07:34 AM

                              You DO realize that many people open restaurants for reasons other than making money, right?

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                                dreamcast18 Nov 1, 2012 09:49 AM

                                right on...car washes too ;-)

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                                  Tripeler Nov 2, 2012 01:16 AM

                                  Yes, in fact, it is often said that the best way to make a small fortune in the restaurant business is to start with a large fortune.

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                                    Johnny L Nov 2, 2012 03:03 AM

                                    Of course rich mainlanders need to park their money since they see America as a viable financial investment. It'll be good for our local economy but doesn't mean it won't be a shitshow. I've lived in the SGV long enough to have seen it all.

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                                      ipsedixit Nov 2, 2012 08:15 AM

                                      It's not about parking your money.

                                      If one wants to take a naive approach to it, mainlaind money is here as an indirect investment to get work-type visas (e.g. H1B or EB-5). Think Shanghai No. 1

                                      If one wants to be sinister about it, it's all about money laundering.

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                                        cant talk...eating Nov 2, 2012 08:22 AM

                                        I don't get the Shanghai No. 1 reference Ipse. And not to be completely naive, but how does the investment/visa thing work exactly? Just tell me something to Google - don't want to hijack the thread.

                                        And, back to Park Avenue, Chinese Restaurant, Jasongg06, how is it possible that 2/3 of the waitstaff at an Arcadia Chinese restaurant are non-Asian?? Maybe from a different part of Asia? I'm actually really curious and may have to drive over just to gawk.

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                                          ipsedixit Nov 2, 2012 08:31 AM

                                          It's a vehicle for foreign investors to invest in the US in order to get a visa. The most typical way to do it is through the EB-5 Visa program. The application process can be sort of onerous, but in recent years USCIS has loosened the timelines and essentially now if you have the $$$ you can get a visa -- even if your investment does not fit all the criteria (e.g. economically deprived area, etc.). Bottom line: if you create enough jobs, you get visa.

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                                            Chandavkl Nov 2, 2012 09:19 AM

                                            But you need deep pockets for this to work permanently, 'cuz if the jobs go away, you do, too.

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                                              ipsedixit Nov 2, 2012 02:51 PM

                                              Not necessarily. You just have to create 10 jobs (or show that you *will* create those jobs) in the provisional 2 year period, then after the 2 years are up you can apply for permanent residency (e.g. Green Card). It's a backdoor slider for those with money (at least 500k to 1M) to get a Green Card.

                                              So you just need to have 1M and create 10 jobs for 2 years. Not a bad way to get a Green Card, esp. if you are a mainlander with enough money to use dollar bills to wipe your own ass and blow your nose with five dollar bills.

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                                                Chandavkl Nov 2, 2012 03:39 PM

                                                Yes, but there are tales of people whose businesses failed quickly and had to pack up and go back.

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                                                  ipsedixit Nov 2, 2012 06:08 PM

                                                  Yes, the first part is definitely true. The latter part about people going back? Not so much.

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                                            Chandavkl Nov 2, 2012 09:18 AM

                                            Definitely non-Asian, even "hipster" types.

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                                              cant talk...eating Nov 2, 2012 06:58 PM

                                              A-hem, "hipster" types??? I'm trying to get my head around this visual.

                                              From a yelp review:
                                              "This was the first time I ordered Chinese food by the number, because the staff couldn't understand what beef chow fun was in Chinese. Very Very strange. Its like ordering food at Panda Express."

                                              Am I the only one who considers this a hugely significant cultural milestone, up there with the evolution of Shakey's (Hispanics ordering Italian food from other Hispanics in Chinese neighborhoods) or Panda Express (everyone ordering Chinese food from Hispanics in White neighborhoods). I also note that the reviewer finds it "strange" to order Chinese food by the number at a Chinese restaurant because of communication problems. It's almost like a prank is being played. Like, what if gradually, Arcadia were to become...non-Chinese? You don't notice it at first, but then suddenly, signs started appearing in English all along Baldwin. Not all at once, of course. But then one day, whole marquis on strip malls, all in those English letters. (And these hipsters pretend not to understand you; it's like they don't even try!)

                                              Ipse, thanks as always for your concise and erudite explanations. Would be interesting to graph the longevity of these SGV Chinese restaurants to see if they cluster around a two-yr mark.

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                                                Chandavkl Nov 2, 2012 07:35 PM

                                                If they were playing to a mixed audience it might make some sense. But it looks like the clientele is exclusively Chinese.

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                                                  Johnny L Nov 4, 2012 02:21 AM

                                                  What mixed audience? I live here and the clientele at most Chinese restaurants is probably 90-95% Asian which is better than the 99% Asian when I moved here years ago. I don't know about Ding Tai Fung since I haven't bothered to go back in years but probably not that much better. Maybe this place aspires to serve a wide range of customers but in this industry if you try to please everyone you probably won't please anyone.

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                                                    ipsedixit Nov 4, 2012 11:19 AM

                                                    DTF is probably 1/3 "loawai"

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                                                      jasongg06 Nov 4, 2012 12:05 PM

                                                      "DTF is probably 1/3 "loawai""

                                                      ^ That.

                                                      There are probably more non asians at DTF at any time than at all the other asian restaurants in arcadia combined.

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                                                        JThur01 Nov 4, 2012 12:13 PM

                                                        Concur on the DTF assessment, I'll go jason one better. I think DTF probably has more caucasians for any given lunch than most ALL SGV restaurants combined.

                                                        I felt so out of place :-)

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                                                          ipsedixit Nov 4, 2012 12:17 PM

                                                          I think DTF probably has more caucasians for any given lunch than most ALL SGV restaurants combined.
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                                                          Ahem, Jim, I think your sentence is missing an adjective in there somewhere.

                                                          You don't really mean ALL SGV restaurants without any qualifiers, right? Granted there are alot of Chinese eateries in SGV, but I think -- as of now -- the non-Chinese ones definitely outnumber the Chinese ones probably by a 2:1 ratio (if not more).

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                                                            JThur01 Nov 4, 2012 08:38 PM

                                                            Oops, yes. Amended: "I think DTF probably has more caucasians for any given lunch than most ALL SGV Chinese restaurants combined. I felt so out of place"

                                                            It's amazing how sloppy I am when I'm not paid ;-)

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                                                              Tripeler Nov 4, 2012 09:05 PM

                                                              DTF is sort of like the Chinese roach motel for caucasians.

                                                              Well, no, that would be PF Changs, but you get the idea.

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                                                                ipsedixit Nov 4, 2012 09:17 PM

                                                                DTF is sort of like the Chinese roach motel for caucasians.

                                                                Well, no, that would be PF Changs, but you get the idea.
                                                                ----------------------------------------------------

                                                                That assumes PF Changs is "Chinese" ....

                                                  2. re: cant talk...eating
                                                    raytamsgv Nov 5, 2012 11:18 AM

                                                    Hipsters?! There goes the neighborhood.

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                                                      ipsedixit Nov 5, 2012 11:31 AM

                                                      I'm betting they're just non-Asian PCC students ... but then again those aren't exactly a dime-a-dozen either.

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