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Jun 13, 2012 08:26 PM

Flat White in Los Angeles

Is there anywhere in Los Angeles that serves a New Zealand flat white coffee?

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  1. Two Guns Espresso in Manhattan Beach. Owners are from NZ. At or near the top for South Bay coffee.

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    1. re: ristretto

      Just googled them and looks just like the place to get a Flat white while I am in LA for the week. Thanks for the tip

      1. re: ristretto

        Lord, I miss drinking Kiwi trim flat whites! Anyone know where to get one further north - like in Santa Monica?

      2. Just to define our terms What is the difference between a Cortado (Spanish) a macchiato (Italian) and a Flat white (Aussie/NZ)

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        1. re: AAQjr

          Flat White

          A flat white is similar to a latte and is mostly served in Australia and New Zealand. The drink is prepared, like a latte, with espresso and milk. The main difference between a latte and a flat white is the ratio of milk and espresso.

          The flat white has less milk than a latte and usually a bit less foam on top. Unlike many people think, the flat white does have foam on top. Foaming milk whilst steaming gives the milk a creamier flavour so it’s recommended to always foam the milk, even when it’s just a little bit.

          Be prepared to be served a latte without foam when ordering a flat white in most places.

          According to some people a flat white should be made with milk just off boiling. However, be aware that the taste of milk changes above certain temperatures and therefore the recommended temperature is around 60 to 70 degrees Celsius.

          1. re: brucelee67

            ^ that really doesn't explain the diff between a flat white vs. a cortado / short latte.

            And what kind of foam? stretched microfoam? or capp foam? Or is it just a < 6 oz latte. By the final definition, Handsome Coffee pours a 5oz flat white:

            1. re: TonyC

              with their eyes closed, could anyone distinguish between a flat white and a latte?

              1. re: linus

                Yes because a flat white is smaller and is usually served in a regular coffee cup or sometimes a short glass. That means I can drink them more frequently.

                Re almost boiling the milk - I think that is just a bad barrista

                BTW the flat white at Mazagran in Dunedin is the best I ever had.

                1. re: linus

                  Yes, assuming their tastebuds haven't been ruined by years of drinking those pints of warm coffee-flavoured milk they call lattes at Starbucks. A latte is much milkier; a flat white is about equal parts espresso and milk, more like a tallat in Catalunya, but bigger. Most flat whites I've had were equivalent to a double shot of espresso with an equal amount of milk and a spoonful of foam.

                  1. re: Das Ubergeek

                    Hmmm, sounds a lot like what you get when you order a *espresso* macchiato at *bucks. ;)

                    1. re: Das Ubergeek

                      oh, of course, the tallat of catalunya. how could i have missed that?

                      1. re: linus

                        'Tallat' is the Catalan word for the Spanish 'cortado'

                        1. re: AAQjr

                          Are you certain? I thought it was Mr. Mxyzptlk's dog's name... ;-D>

                          1. re: AAQjr

                            Yes, but it's not the same drink—when I was in Madrid and ordered a cortado I got a different drink than when I ordered a tallat in Barcelona. The cortado is smaller.

              2. Sounds a bit like Funnel Mill's latte with "European finish." Funnel Mill is in Santa Monica on Broadway near 10th Street. They specialize in siphon coffee but I really like their espresso when I am there to drink coffee and not just buy beans (they have great coffee beans IMO--have been going there for several years. Stuff is never more than about 48-72 hours old. They do their own roasting in Oakland and fly it down ASAP).