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Linchpin white IPA

Lewes May 28, 2012 04:38 PM

My new favorite - a 7.0 collaboration between Founders & Green Flash. The perfect, hoppy Summer beer.

  1. Jim Dorsch May 28, 2012 06:15 PM

    White IPA seems to be a growing style. I recall Saranac does one, and someone else, I think Deschutes.

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    1. re: Jim Dorsch
      Josh May 28, 2012 08:23 PM

      I'd be curious to try this one. I found Saranac's to be really strange.

      1. re: Josh
        Jim Dorsch May 28, 2012 09:28 PM

        I ran into Fred Matt in the airport on the way to the Craft Brewers Conference earlier this month. I recall his saying that the Citra hop provided a citric element, which would seem appropriate in a white beer. I haven't tried this beer myself, however, nor any other white IPA.

        1. re: Jim Dorsch
          LStaff May 29, 2012 07:16 AM

          > I haven't tried this beer myself, however, nor any other white IPA.

          I'm hoping this trend fades away before I actually get around to trying it..... ;-)

          1. re: LStaff
            Jim Dorsch May 29, 2012 07:58 AM

            we are in agreement

            1. re: Jim Dorsch
              Lewes May 30, 2012 06:16 PM

              first DIPA, then BIPA, now WIPA.

              1. re: Lewes
                Jim Dorsch May 30, 2012 07:33 PM

                I was chatting recently with a fellow who pointed out something I'd never considered, although it's obvious. To say 'black IPA' is to say a beer is black and pale.

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                  Tripeler May 31, 2012 01:15 AM

                  Thanks for the brilliant observation, Jim.
                  The term IPA has been totally abused, bent out of shape and made entirely meaningless by all the "me-too" permutations. I guess we can now take it to mean a beer that is stronger and hoppier than the norm. What we need is to stop using "IPA" when the beer clearly isn't.

                  1. re: Jim Dorsch
                    brentk May 31, 2012 02:22 AM

                    When the style first emerged, it was known as a Cascadian Dark Ale. It is also known as an American Black Ale. I had a very nice example of it yesterday - Ithaca Fourteen.

                    1. re: brentk
                      JessKidden May 31, 2012 02:54 AM

                      > When the style first emerged, it was known as a Cascadian Dark Ale

                      Well, there is some debate about that. http://www.alestreetnews.com/beer-sty...

                      I remember New Amsterdam having a bottled "Dark India Pale Ale" but at this point can't recall when that was.

                      Still the "pale" part of IPA is itself an anachronism in today's beer market. I'll be sitting at a bar looking at (well, through) the US light lagers and light beers others are drinking and I'm always a bit taken aback by how pale those beers are today.

                      "Did that guy order a half 'n' half of Bud and Perrier?"

                      1. re: JessKidden
                        TongoRad Jun 1, 2012 07:03 AM

                        The New Amsterdam beer was called 'India Dark Ale' (no Pale in the title, so it looks like they put some thought into that aspect as least.) from around 1995. Unfortunately, I found that it didn't really live up to its promise; I'd peg that era's Black Butte Porter as being hoppier.

                        There's a line where the hops and roasted grain bill will clash- SN and Deschutes have always stayed on the good side of that line while these newfangled whatchacallits tend to be on the bad side. I'm just finishing a four-pack of Widmer's, and it may be the last time I venture into that territory.

                        1. re: TongoRad
                          JessKidden Jun 2, 2012 03:40 AM

                          Damn! That's right. I'd brought that N.A. label up in a previous thread when someone suggested that "India Black Ale" would be a better term. Don't remember much about it all, so I'd say that suggests I agree with your "didn't live up to its promise".

                          Altho' most of the new craft IPA's I'd had up to that point hadn't live up to the promise, either as best as I recall. Not a lot on the East Coast yet (as least as I remember it) and many of the West Coast ones (I remember Grant's and Portland's Woodstock IPA) were probably not very fresh.

                          1. re: JessKidden
                            Jim Dorsch Jun 2, 2012 04:51 AM

                            As an aside, New Amsterdam Amber Beer is the first fresh, good American beer I ever had. I was amazed at the hop and malt flavors. That beer would probably not amaze today, but I'll never forget it. This was 25 to 30 years ago, of course.

                            1. re: Jim Dorsch
                              MOREKASHA Sep 4, 2012 01:27 PM

                              Yup, in NYC in the mid 80's New Am was a revelation. too bad Matty had to fuck it up w/the brewpub in the middle of nowhere. Sam Adams cam in w/a better biz plan and wiped the floor w/New Am, still miss that brew.

                        2. re: JessKidden
                          steveprez Jun 2, 2012 06:52 AM

                          "Still the "pale" part of IPA is itself an anachronism in today's beer market."

                          Not to mention that the "India" part of the name survives despite that these beers are not made for shipment to India. ;)

                        3. re: brentk
                          The Professor May 31, 2012 06:20 PM

                          The "style" (if you can even really call it that) emerged long before it showed up as "Cascadian Whatever". Clearly, Greg Noonan in Vermont got the ball rolling on popularizing it, likely more than 20 years ago.
                          And even considering that fact, hoppy dark ales had certainly been around even before that.
                          So it is anything but a "new style".
                          In the end, there are no real "style rules" in the real world anyway...only in homebrew competitions...where it has _really_ gotten out of hand.

                          1. re: brentk
                            LStaff Jun 1, 2012 06:47 AM

                            The "style" first emerged in VT (in this country anyway, the english did it decades before us), not the PNW, and it was called black ipa. Noonan.....

                        4. re: Lewes
                          Chinon00 Jun 1, 2012 01:35 PM

                          And don't forget Belgian IPA.

                          1. re: Chinon00
                            Jim Dorsch Jun 1, 2012 03:24 PM

                            See, that's another one I never thought about: Belgian Indian. Are there any Belgian Black IPAs? Heh.

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                              niquejim Jun 2, 2012 06:39 AM

                              Give them time......

                              1. re: Jim Dorsch
                                AZeagle Jun 4, 2012 01:52 PM

                                Stone did a collaboration with Brew Dog a couple of years ago that they termed a Belgian Black (Double?) IPA and I think Dock Street has one out now, and I am sure I have seen others.

                  2. re: Jim Dorsch
                    Kenji Sep 5, 2012 07:09 AM

                    The Boston Beer Company also makes one. It's not a hybrid I'm crazy about.

                    1. re: Kenji
                      Jim Dorsch Sep 5, 2012 07:14 AM

                      I'm not much for what I'll call nontraditional beers. I like them pretty simple, good malt, good hop character, no other spices.

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                    chimay5 Sep 13, 2012 10:45 AM

                    Went to an all IPA Fest at Avery Brewing last Saturday. There were 90 so called "IPAs" poured.
                    Couldn't taste all of them nor would I even try. I thought the few fresh hopped beers were interesting but I don't understand the hulabaloo over them. They had an oily, viscus taste and appearance and were on the sweet side. A lot of the others I tasted were not at all what one would expect and were odd and out of style.
                    Think a lot of brewers are following the IPA craze by calling any of their highly hopped beers, IPAs. didn't find any WIPAs and just a few BIPAs.

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