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This Wine won't freeze when others do

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  • Rella May 25, 2012 10:43 AM

I put in the freezer the remains of a bottle of 14.0% alcohol, Chateau Marsac Seguineau $20.79 at Costco - because I didn't like it. AT ALL! I've done this previously.

For some reason this wine will not freeze. Same freezer; and the others of same size remain frozen. It's been about 10 days now.

Any clue for me?

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  1. Just curious: if you didn't like it, why would you want to freeze it?

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    1. re: RicRios

      I would guess to cook with?

      1. re: RicRios

        A Bolognese ingredient that works well for me using wine that I wouldn't want to drink, but actually has tasted fine in bolognese.

        This wine was not rot gut by any means, just because we didn't like it. AT ALL - for drinking.

        I know the admonition, don't cook with anything you wouldn't drink -- I somewhat agree with that, but not totally, as you can see.

        1. re: Rella

          Well, it just didn't freeze. I've never had a red wine that wouldn't freeze. - Two weeks!!?? Surely someone can have a guess? Calling all experts, calling all experts!

          It's like an addage/admonition one sees on a medication, don't use if you are allergic to it.

          So: on wine it would be: If this wine doesn't freeze, don't drink it :-))
          or better still:
          Don't drink it if you don't like it.

          1. re: Rella

            What's the Alcohol Level (ABV) cited on the bottle?

            1. re: goldangl95

              14.0%.

              Anticipating your next question, looking at my wine log, I have frozen 14.0% wine successfully..

              One specifically as an example:

              Argentina 2009 $15 Bonarda 60, Malbec 40 14.0% alcohol

            2. re: Rella

              Is it possible it's supercooled? Read this:
              http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/th...

        2. In the 1980's, a number of Austrian winemakers were revealed to have used diethylene glycol (something that goes into anti-freeze) to boost sweetness and texture...those wines didn't freeze, either. Not making any allegations about your wine but just brought up an old memory...

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          1. re: penthouse pup

            Yes, I've heard of something like that in the past. It's difficult to forget these things and too, I remember the olive oil fiasco. I recalled it this week after purchasing a bottle from a certain country that I had not purchased a bottle of olive oil from that good country for decades because of that news/rumour.

          2. I'd just dump it -- if you didn't like the taste of the wine in your glass, you're not going to like the notes it leaves in your food.

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            1. re: sunshine842

              I'm found that out with pinot grigio just recently. Not only did I dump another 1/4 cup in the freezer, but I've decided to not let Mr. Pinot Grigio into the house! It just ruined a dish I used it in.

              Yes, I did yesterday dump the wine that I am speaking about, but I was really curious if it would EVER freeze, it didn't. I never intended to use it when it wouldn't freeze; 'knowing' that there had to be something wrong.

              Sometimes when I freeze a wine, it is because a certain wine will give us both overnight cramps in the same spot in the same leg. And more times than not, at the same hour of the night. Then, the next day I will freeze it, hoping that I freezing and cooking will correct the situation.

              I've found there is not much information on the connection of leg cramps and wine - certainly not from any doctor I've ever spoken to; the most I've got in a shake of the head, or the words, "avoid it." Avoid wine? HAHAHAHA.

              1. re: Rella

                Rella,

                Too often after drinking wine I will have terrible leg cramps that evening. It is rare when I find a bottle that does not result in leg cramps. I solved the problem by buying organic and biodynamic wine with no added sulfites (there are naturally occurring sulfites) from Frey winery. I have been drinking their wine for months with not a single cramp. Three weeks ago I visited a friend and we drank her wine on two different nights. Cramps kept me pacing all night. A month ago I had wine from a local winemaker resulting in slight cramps at night, not too bad but enough to wake me. It's anecdotal evidence, but I'm convinced that at least for me, sulfites are the problem. I do wish the amount of added sulfites were labeled on wine.

                1. re: Siriusly

                  We've researched these nasty leg cramps and tried all the remedies - so far there's really no certain remedy.

                  I will remember the Frey winery and look for it. I am not a fan of California wines, but have had a few good ones over the years. I appreciate your recommendation.

                  1. re: Rella

                    Good luck, and let me know if this works and if you find other wines that don't cause cramps. My favorite Frey wine is the Tannat. I find them very reasonably priced so you're not dishing out a lot of money to experiment - and I have it shipped to Virginia!

                    1. re: Siriusly

                      Gee, I didn't know that wine could be legally shipped to Virginia. But that is because there is just too much to buy here in Virginia. But, funny, when we first moved here in 1993 and were meeting new people, so many people were against alcohol here. As a result of that perhaps I had the impression that "no wine shipped to VA."

                      1. re: Rella

                        We certainly don't run in the same circles, LOL! I do have many friends that are the eat local, free range, humanely treated animals types, but very few if any that are against alcohol. Yes, it is legal to ship to VA. You're right, lots of wine here - I haven't found any Virginia wine without added sulfites, unfortunately.

                  2. re: Siriusly

                    Siriusly, welcome to Chowhound! This is your first thread.

                    Love the handle. Named after the star??

                    Just a tip that when you introduce a new subject -- like leg cramps -- into another discussion to start a brand new thread. You'll find so many tips and ideas here.

                    I'd like to suggest (since I work in research on this stuff) that what is causing the leg cramps is not sulfites but histamines. The key is finding wines with a histamine level
                    below that which causes cramps for you. Since wines lower in sulfites may also
                    be lower in histamines, that's why those wines have worked. BTW, wines from Europe
                    have fewer histamines than those produced in the US.

                    Good luck to you, and welcome again.

                    1. re: maria lorraine

                      Interesting, thanks Maria. Would that also apply to sulfites in dried fruit and meat? I have strong reactions to those too unless they are free of sulfites. I also thought histamines were produced by the body as a reaction and never heard of histamine levels in food - interesting!

                      We should have a separate thread on leg cramps - but do note within the thread I responded to the leg cramp discussion within it hence it was not an introduction of a new subject :) But again, I agree with you that it would be useful for us to have a separate thread on the subject.

                      1. re: Siriusly

                        Seriously :-)) I cannot eat any dried fruit that contains sulfites.

                        I wonder, too, if you have ever found that you are allergic to the anti-biotics that contain sulfa.

                        Also, I find that I react to histimine over-the-counter ...

                        Evreyone is different, and it is very hard to find information on cramps from wine -- more likely when you do find anything it is along the lines of, "Well, I've never had them, or "I've never heard of such a thing."

                        1. re: Rella

                          Rella, sulfates, sulfites, sulfa are all completely different and unrelated things with different chemical construction.

                          Rella, Siriusly, read this thread for additional info:
                          http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/680059

                        2. re: Siriusly

                          <<We should have a separate thread on leg cramps - but do note within the thread I responded to the leg cramp discussion within it hence it was not an introduction of a new subject :) >>

                          Oops, my mistake. I read too quickly.

                        3. re: maria lorraine

                          I would have never known that "wines from Europe have fewer histamines than those produced in the US." because that's about all I drink, if you include Spain in Europe. Also I drink wines from South America and Australia and NZ. And I have cramps almost from every wine I use. I, no doubt, and my husband, too, have a low tolerance of all red wines for histamines/sulfites. A curse!

                          1. re: Rella

                            " if you include Spain in Europe."

                            Where else would one include Spain? How do you feel about Portugal?

                            1. re: FrankJBN

                              Please forgive my grammar, I should have said,
                              "if one includes Spain in Europe."
                              My apologies.

                              If a person is speaking of a European wine, EYE myself would automatically think of a French, German, Italian wine; but EYE, myself would think of a Spanish or Portuguese wine as such, a wine from Spain or Portugal.

                              Others may feel differently. My answer refers to wine.

                              1. re: Rella

                                Thanks for the link, Maria. I volunteer for the next study on sulfites, histamines, or tyramines! At least I know what works: eating meat, dried fruit, and wine that is labeled "no sulfites added" will not cause me leg cramps. Unfortunately, food is not labeled whether there is high histamine content or high tyramine content (not sure what to do about that). I'll stick with what works!

                                Regarding the histamine evidence, should people take a Benadryl before/after drinking or eating dried fruit or meat that contains? Are there studies to see if anti-histamine medicines work to reduce inflammation? And then why don't people brake out in splotches and rashes, like they do when they have to take Benadryl, an anti-histamine?

                                1. re: Siriusly

                                  Simply, please don't blame sulfites and instead research histamines as a source of leg cramps (common cause of leg cramps, actually) and also carefully research which OTC anti-histamines are non-sedating and don't have other components you don't need. I've had some wine drinkers tell me they pop half a tab before wine tasting and that does the trick.

                                  Good luck to you. I'd like to refer you to what I've previously written on Chowhound about biogenic amines, sulfites, histamines and tyramines as they relate to food, as I don't wish to repeat myself here. Also, once a thread gets this medical in nature, it's off limits for Chowhound and will get deleted.

                                  1. re: maria lorraine

                                    Thanks again. I think in thread you referred to it does say 1% of the population has been shown to be sensitive to sulfites and if they have the problem with meat, wine and fruit, that may be evidence. But there also seemed to be a difference of opinion in the thread with studies saying there is no relation. Irregardless, the anti-histamine tab advice is a keeper for the future and I will try it! I just hope wine and food makers start posting histamine information sometime soon.

                                    1. re: Siriusly

                                      Sulfite oxidase deficiency, to what you are referring, is an extremely serious and fatal condition that causes neurological disorders and mental retardation. It would be quite obvious if you had this.

                                      1. re: maria lorraine

                                        Heavens! Just read about it. Probably couldn't have just finished my doctorate if I had this deficiency. Too bad I didn't get my doctorate in the medical field :)

                                    2. re: maria lorraine

                                      "Also, once a thread gets this medical in nature, it's off limits for Chowhound and will get deleted."

                                      I don't quite understand because you say that "I'd like to refer you to what I've previously written on Chowhound about biogenic amines, sulfites, histamines and tyramines as they relate to food, as I don't wish to repeat myself here."

                                      Is the link still there?
                                      P.S. Wine comes from grapes. Grapes are food. :-))