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Why do no national burger chains have veggie burgers?

It seems to me that selling a veggie burger would only be a benefit to a chain like McDonald's.
Anyone know why this has not been done?
It would seem that there is vast untapped potential here.
I know I would go more often if I could get a veggie cheeseburger with fries and a coke.

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  1. If it had a large enough market, it would be there. But it is not viable. Neither is a locovar or organic chain. All fringes on the North American economy.

    Check back in thirty years.

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    1. re: INDIANRIVERFL

      Check out Life Alive. Currently only in Boston Metro but I heard from a friend who manages the Salem site that they are expanding to other states. It's happening, and it's not going to take thirty years!

      1. re: dddanieljjjamesss

        Again, there are enough non-burger-chain vegetarian choices around but that doesn't address the initial question regarding established burger chains not catering to the non-meat crowd.

        1. re: ferret

          Its simple. Vegetarians don't go there enough to justify the cost. McDonalds Wendys and BK have all test marketed veggie burgers and clearly found its not worth it. They are in the business to make money not create good health.

            1. re: rozz01

              Yeah, McDonalds actually served a vegan burger for a while (they used the Boca Burger brand), but demand was lackluster, so they canned it. I ate it every chance got, but I'm only one person.

              BK sells a veggieburger that looks pretty good, but it's not vegan so I haven't had it.

              1. re: choctastic

                i was the other person who was frequently eating the McDonald's veggie burger.
                i wanted them to keep it on the menu.
                i suspect there were only two of us. . . .

                1. re: westsidegal

                  Last time I was in BC I had McD's veg burger, was the last I ever saw of it. If they had kept it around I'd actually go there

                2. re: choctastic

                  Doesn't BK's burger use egg as a binder?

                3. re: rozz01

                  But you will throw up if you try that. I have tried, yuck !!!!

                  1. re: rozz01

                    Pretty sure they serve Gardenburgers...not sure if they grill them on the same grill as the meat though!

                  2. re: cwdonald

                    I go to BK every time fast food becomes necessary... If there are other people with me I'll insist on going to BK. In that sense-- you can't measure how your sales are affected by just the amount of veggie burgers sold, but also the other people with the person buying veggie burgers.

                    1. re: lenwood

                      Absolutely. I won't go to any other fast food place (and even BK is a very rare thing for us), and so my non-vegetarian family ends up eating there too.

            2. Because they are not profitable.

              Certain chains (e.g. McDonald's) has veggie burgers in non-US markets. But I'm sure their market research shows that the US market does not want a vegetarian burger alternative, and if they offered one it would not be profitable.

              That said, Burger King has a Veggie Burger.

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              1. re: ipsedixit

                A friend of mine had a veggie burger at McDonald's in India. He said if they made that here, he would eat at McDonald's all the time.

                1. re: LisaPA

                  McDonald's has tested it in the US so if it's not showing up in stores it's because there's no market for it. Like the controversy with their fries having a beef fat coating I don't think real vegetarians would trust that it's prepared separately from animal products and for those who are less stringent, it's just not that large a market.

                  1. re: LisaPA

                    Your friend alone, or your friend and bunch of people like your friend, are probably not enough to make a veggie burger at McDonald's profitable.

                    I'm pretty sure McDonald's has researched this in the U.S. market and concluded that crappy salads in plastic boxes is a better play.

                    1. re: ipsedixit

                      The salad appeals more to dieters than a veggie burger would so they're not really aiming for the same market.

                    2. re: LisaPA

                      Yeah, it's all about the sales. Most vegetarians here wouldn't even consider McDonald's even if they had a veg burger.

                      I saw a kosher McDonald's in Buenos Aires once. I later found out it was the only one outside of Israel.

                      1. re: HungWeiLo

                        Kosher is a little different. MacDonald's has stated their reasons for not opening kosher outlets, and it is due to a worry that secular patrons might inadvertently enter a kosher MacDonalds and order a cheeseburger or a milkshake (kosher rules prohibit cooking or serving meat and dairy together)

                        The worry is that this would cause disappointment that would damage the brand (They' may be right. I mean, Pity the poor employee who has to explain to some hungry dude that he can't have cheese on his burger because in the Book of Exodus it is written that ...)

                        There are kosher Macdonalds in Israel, a country where people expect meat and dairy to be served in separate restaurants. And also one in a heavily Jewish neighborhood of Buenos Aires, although note that it is at the very top of a large mall, you have to go past the regular MacDonalds, and up another escalator to find it - you won't stumble on it by accident.

                        Vegan/veggie is different, since it would be a matter of adding a veggie burger, not of changing anything else on the menu.

                        Kosher and vegan are marketing decisions. Marketers know how many vegans there are in a country and where they eat. They'll offer veggie burgers when they see $$

                        But note that a few years ago MacDonalds stopped frying its fries in beef fat. Meat fats makes fried food taste better. Consumers prefer lard to vegan oils in blind taste tests. But consumers think lard is gross. MacDonalds responded to consumer opinion.

                  2. Burger King. I hate them, but they do have the BK Veggie, even here in rural Indiana. It's a Morningstar patty.

                    If we're going to go into casual dining, you can get either a Gardenburger or a Boca patty on any of Red Robin's burgers. I. LOVE. IT!

                    Burgerville (a PNW chain) has a spicy black bean burger on their menu.

                    1. One more reason to stay out of those big chain restaurants!

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                      1. Burger King does have Morningstar Farms veggie burgers here in CT, but if you really want to see a confused server, order a Whopper, hold the beef

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                        1. re: mmalmad

                          We have the option here in Iowa also. It was odd to finally be able to order food at the same place as my parents.

                          1. re: mmalmad

                            Do they look like a confused puppy, cocking their head to the side?

                            1. re: bearfromobx

                              My parents suffered through Morningstar for years, sometimes even liked it

                            2. re: mmalmad

                              I used to order a "vegetable whopper" all the time when I was in college! It was always in the drive-thru but I did usually get a long pause after I ordered. It is so strange, it tasted exactly the same as the whopper with beef but obviously without the texture there from the beef patty.

                            3. they should explore putting veggie burgers in areas with relatively large concentrations of vegetarians/vegans (e.g. CA Bay Area). however, no way it would go nationwide - the demand is not there.

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                              1. re: majordanby

                                Thanks for all the responses, everyone. I am in the Boston area and was thinking of urban centers, rather than nationally, so also thought it could work here.

                                I guess my question comes from the frustration of not being able to satisfy my cravings while on the road. The BK Veggie may do the trick.

                                1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                  Subway has a veggie burger and even sort of a vegan burger, if you hold the mayo and cheese on the veggie delite, which then becomes basically a salad on a bun.

                              2. Demand and implementing/training really. A minimal wage grill cook is not going to understand/care that grilling the veggie patty on the same grill (s)he just finished grilling a burger is like dredging the burger across the bathroom floor for some people.

                                It was hard enough making sure we had a fryer dedicated wheat free in a Mexican restaurant (we had four fryers) where 99% of all items we fried was corn tortillas and only had the occasional chimichanga or flour tortilla bowl for salads. If that was a challenge for one restaurant, imagine trying to implement a no meat zone on a busy grill in 100K restaurants across the US.

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                                1. re: Crockett67

                                  Burger King microwaves their veggie burger.

                                  1. re: smithareeny

                                    That makes me more likely to return to Burger King - thanks for this info!

                                2. And there's still "natural beef flavor" added to McDonald's french fries, which they no longer claim are "vegetarian."

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                                  1. re: ferret

                                    From McDonald's nutrition sheet:
                                    "French Fries:
                                    Potatoes, vegetable oil (canola oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*, citric acid [preservative]), dextrose, sodium acid
                                    pyrophosphate (maintain color), salt. Prepared in vegetable oil (Canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil with TBHQ and citric acid added to
                                    preserve freshness). Dimethylpolysiloxane added as an antifoaming agent.
                                    CONTAINS: WHEAT AND MILK.
                                    *(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients)."

                                    Be horrified all you want but they are vegetarian.
                                    http://nutrition.mcdonalds.com/getnut...

                                    1. re: MplsM ary

                                      If you consider "natural beef flavor" to be vegetarian. And nothing in that list horrifies me.

                                      http://animalrights.about.com/b/2011/...

                                        1. re: ferret

                                          So McD's just out and out lies. Wow.

                                        2. re: MplsM ary

                                          the horrid of that list. If you never heard of Monsanto or GMO's in Canola, cor, soybeans look it up !!!

                                          1. re: ferret

                                            McD's used to use their "Formula 47" shortening, which was basically beef fat. In early 90's they said they had switched to an "All Vegetable" shortening, only to learn later they were using a Formular 47/Vegetable shortening mix. They do have a track record of lying.

                                          2. the veggie burger has been tried.
                                            i did all i could to support the effort, but not enough other customers supported the product.
                                            they served it with a barbeque sauce iirc.

                                            1. Elevation Burger is not a nationwide chain, but I've seen them in Pennsylvania and Virginia. They have a veggie burger and a different vegan one.

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                                              1. re: johnnylaguardia

                                                The places that market themselves as upscale burger joints like Elevation and The Counter offer vegetarian options because it's part of their culture.

                                              2. As others have pointed out, Burger King has veggie burgers, and they're happy to put cheese on them for the non-vegans out there. I like them, and that is my go-to meal when we're on the road in the middle of nowhere. I'm really amused by the idea of asking for a Whopper, hold the beef.

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                                                1. re: LulusMom

                                                  My fast food go-to when I am in the middle of nowhere is Subway. Their stuff is fast food, but just tastes more like food* than any of the burger giants' offerings.

                                                  And Subway does have a veggie patty sub, which I have yet to try. But one of these days I will.

                                                  * Well, my idea of food anyway.

                                                  1. re: LulusMom

                                                    My friend used to do this at the only fast food place in my tiny farming town when we were in high school. I think it was partially for the shock value since you might as well have had three heads if you were vegetarian! (even funnier- she'd go through the drive
                                                    Thru!)

                                                  2. I don't know if Fuddruckers is national or not...I know they're East Coast at least from MA to NJ; they have veggie burgers and also healthier non-beef burgers like ostrich.

                                                    1. Not only is there probably no market, but it's also a basic TASTE thing. If someone makes the choice to be a vegeterarian (ha) I can't imagine them even considering going to Macdonalds in the first place.

                                                      I find their food oddly satisfying in memory but always regret it an hour later-- and their fries are delicious but...I generally eschew the place for health reasons.

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                                                      1. re: chrisjuricich

                                                        Agree in part on the taste thing, but when you are trucking down I-95 for a four hour stint, you need something to quiet the belly, with McDonald's fries and shake being the most frequent option. It's either that or cigarettes.

                                                        1. re: Bob Dobalina

                                                          As discussed above, the fries aren't technically vegetarian, if that matters to you.

                                                          1. re: ferret

                                                            Thanks for mentioning that again. I found their descriptions of "natural beef flavor [wheat and milk derivatives]*" and "*(Natural beef flavor contains hydrolyzed wheat and hydrolyzed milk as starting ingredients)" highly misleading.

                                                            A fair reading makes it sound like they get the beef flavor by somehow manipulating milk and wheat. That is not the case, as your link and others point out.

                                                            It's a shame they feel it is necessary to make their product this way.

                                                      2. McDonald's did offer a vegetarian burger for a short time, the McVeggie. I tried it at the McDonald's on 6th Ave. & E. 8th St. in Manhattan. It tasted like (my vague recollection of) a McDonald's hamburger, perhaps because it was cooked on the same grill as the regular hamburgers, perhaps because everything McDonald's makes tastes like McDonald's. In any case, I hated it and didn't finish it. But it was a very important event, the introduction of this meatless patty, so important that the New York Times wrote about it:

                                                        http://www.nytimes.com/1999/05/30/mag...

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                                                        1. re: small h

                                                          Oh, I remember how they promoted it. I would regularly walk by the McDonald's on Broadway near E 4th, right by NYU, and they had banners announcing availability of the McVeggie hanging outside. I gathered at the time that it was a standard offering in some European outlets but, as you say, a Big Deal was made about the test-marketing of it in a few US locations.

                                                          1. re: Caitlin McGrath

                                                            The banner is what drew me in, as I am a sucker for banners. Did you try the McVeggie yourself? I don't mind a fake meat patty now & then - I'm partial to Boca's All American Flame Grilled - but the McVeggie had that very particular grease flavor common to all McDonald's products (even the apple pie).

                                                            Also, thanks very much for kindly ignoring my mention of a non-existent intersection in my previous post. In my defense, I have a fever.

                                                        2. It's not fast food joint like McD's but Houston or Hillstone is a national chain that has amazing veggie burger. It's expensive but so worth it. I figured out the recipe will be posting it.

                                                          "Ultimately, how a restaurant rises to the challenge of a veggie burger can be a telling sign of its cooks’ core values." NYTimes -http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/din...

                                                          http://www.hillstone.com/#

                                                          http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/23/din...

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                                                          1. re: Funkalicious

                                                            two things about the houston's veggie burger:
                                                            1) yes, it is terrific
                                                            and
                                                            2) my local houston's offers free corkage for wine.
                                                            even though i still tip the server for serving the wine, it still makes for a great value at dinner.

                                                          2. Interesting, I think Subway's has more stores in USA than McD's nobody mention their veggie patty. probably cause it's disgusting.

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                                                            1. re: Funkalicious

                                                              I don't think I could get past the smell of the rolls to get myself into a Subway.

                                                              1. re: LulusMom

                                                                Well, it ain't perfume. But it doesn't smell any worse than BK or McDonald's.

                                                              2. re: Funkalicious

                                                                Because the title of this thread was referring to burger places.

                                                                1. re: Funkalicious

                                                                  I like the veggie patty, it's tasty as long as you don't have them nuke it...

                                                                  1. Subways has a Veggie Patty and it is NOT morning star farms, I 'm quite sure. As already mentioned, BKing has a veggie burger, but it is not that great and if you're vegan, the patty has egg in it. I also know Subways is expanding their vegetarian/vegan options.

                                                                    1. Here in Canada, Harvey's makes an excellent veggie burger that is vegan. Even better, you get to choose what you want on it (mustard/BBQ sauce/banana peppers for me). The BK Veggie here is actually vegan-friendly, but I don't know why the one in the US isn't. There is a rumor that we have the vegan patty for Subway, but as I am not a fan of Subway, I can neither confirm nor deny.

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                                                                      1. re: Peaches to Poutine

                                                                        I was just about to post about Harvey's! They're everywhere here! http://www.harveys.ca/eng/veggie.php

                                                                        1. re: emeats

                                                                          Apparently, it's the bun for the Harvey's veggie burger that isn't vegan. There is egg white in it. Don't get me wrong, I am vegan, but sometimes I just go, "Oy."

                                                                      2. Maybe the "big burger chains" don't service the vegetarians because there're too many variables.
                                                                        What Kind of Vegetarian would they be feeding?
                                                                        1. LACTO VEGETARIANS
                                                                        2. LACTO-OVO-VEGETARIANS
                                                                        3. VEGANS
                                                                        4. FRUITARIANS
                                                                        5. Pescatarian
                                                                        6. Macrobiotic

                                                                        And those are just the big ones that come to mind.

                                                                        1. Carl's Jr you can substitute fried zucchini's for the burger patty.

                                                                          1. I was happily surprised to see that Amtrak has a vegan burger on the menu in their club car. And the person ahead of me ordered it.

                                                                            1. I've had a veggie burger at the following.

                                                                              Applebee's
                                                                              Cheeburger Cheeburger
                                                                              Denny's
                                                                              Hard Rock Cafe

                                                                              1. In Canada, Harvey's is a national chain with an amazing veggie burger. Hero Burger and Lick's are also well known for their above average veggie burgers.

                                                                                1. johnny rocket's sells veggie burgers.
                                                                                  i believe they are boca burgers by kraft

                                                                                  1. Vegetarians tend to be health conscious and would never eat at a place like McDonald's or Burger King. That includes me. The market just isn't big enough. Their ingredients disturb me and their veggie burgers would most definitely include genetically modified soy. I always opted for a grilled cheese from In-N-Out, which is the burger without the beef. Satisfied my cravings for In-N-Out.

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                                                                                    1. re: murphlaw152

                                                                                      Disagree with the market argument. Been vegetarian since 1974. Groan. I've been talking about this a very long time. The market for every dang sector of every bleedin' wherewithal has been researched, and now we have a few options in the big, bad world of fast food!

                                                                                      That's because the market is growing and the vegetarians (and vegans) are oh, so vocal.

                                                                                      Look, you may not like the options afforded you right now, but you can now get a salad without bacon or eggs pretty much anywhere. Until the 90's that was a rare feat.

                                                                                      I LOVE the not-so-organic veggie burger from Burger King. With fries.

                                                                                      1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                        Since 1980 for me, age 13.
                                                                                        If we think of fast food as lowest common denominator, it makes sense that few chains have persevered with veg*n options.

                                                                                        We have to get main line sit down restaurants with consistently decent veg patties.
                                                                                        Problem is, there are only so many suppliers, and a lot of them are lackluster, so I have a problem paying $10 for Boca in a restaurant. Especially if the critter is $8.
                                                                                        But I don't have a problem paying $10 for great steamed or roasted vegetables in an interesting and tasty sauce.

                                                                                        But to the original question, Fatburger, which has banners reading"I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat soy" has veggie burgers.
                                                                                        They are nice enough to allay the burger and fries craving.

                                                                                        1. re: truepeacenik

                                                                                          I know what you're saying when it comes to pricing. I've found that when the pricing of a veggie burger is less than the price of a cow burger, the probability is either a) the patty was nuked or b) the patty was fried on a flat top with no designated vegetarian space. When a burger costs more, it usually has to do with the kitchen being conscientious enough to clean the flat top space for a veggie burger - taking away space from their regular cash cow burger. Of course this is a sweeping generalization and not to be counted as a real rule. It's just been my experience.

                                                                                          It's nice to meet someone who became vegetarian as a young teen (I was 14) and is still a vegetarian. More have come after, but few from my age group stayed vegetarian.

                                                                                      2. re: murphlaw152

                                                                                        The In N Out grilled cheese definitely is my go-to fast food! It's been long enough that I really don't miss the meat at all. I had a standard Double-Double about a year ago as the official end of a 4-month meat-eating stint, and as my first meal back in California after living in Spain and I really wasn't overly impressed. I think I actually prefer the grilled cheese. I don't eat fast food from anywhere else unless absolutely necessary.

                                                                                        On the other hand, if I'm at a regular restaurant and there's some form of bean burger on the menu, there's a 95% chance that that's what I'm ordering because I love seeing what restaurants are doing to try to get away from Boca burgers!

                                                                                      3. SMASH BURGER has an awesome black bean burger. Seems to be a chain popping up in New Jersey & New York. I am not a vegetarian and still order it (with sweet potato fries) when I go. Excellent!

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                                                                                        1. re: chef1at

                                                                                          We've got them here in Alberta, Canada and I agree that their black bean burger is good. I tend to get the default "southwest" version and find it a little moist with the burger and toppings, but still good.

                                                                                        2. I have not seen anyone mention that, though McDonald's tried a test-marketed burger, they didn't bother to remove the animal products from THEIR FRIES and BUNS. There was a stink a few years ago when vegans sued over the beef flavouring used on their fries during the pre-cooking process. It's still there, which is why I don't eat their fries, nor their morning hash-browns (which have the same shit). Morning biscuits and croissants at McDs and BK are both fine (for lacto-ovos). The bun BK uses for their veggie burger is vegetarian, but the one they use for their whopper has lard. The cooking oil at Wendy's has tallow in it, and their pouches of salad dressings ALL have gelatin in them. See, that's the problem, not just the marketing or profits, or seeing that we do not dine alone (i.e., sans meat-eaters). The problem is just understanding what is and isn't acceptable to us. And when they *do* cater to us, they apparently do not seek our input first, during, or after. It's not like we have never written to them to complain, so that means they know on various levels of their management, but they do not care enough to bother with us.

                                                                                          1. Veggie burgers sound horrifying to me. I eat mostly vegetables, but when it's time for a burger then might as well eat the real thing.

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                                                                                            1. re: smoledman

                                                                                              beg to disagree.
                                                                                              generally speaking, there are two categories of veggie burgers:
                                                                                              1) those that attempt to look, taste, and have the texture of meat such as boca burgers
                                                                                              and
                                                                                              2) those that are just vegetable patties, that make no attempt to mimic meat, such as dr. praegers (sp?)

                                                                                              i agree that the veggie burgers in the first category can be horrid, but i've found some really good burgers in the second category.

                                                                                              i eat most of my meals in restaurants here in Los Angeles. the burgers i like most are the ones served at Houston"s (a chain) and Cafe Gratitude

                                                                                            2. FYI: They're not on the menu, but if you have a Culver's Frozen Custard near you (They're a growing chain out of Wisconsin), you can get a Gardenburger Veggie burger at any of their restaurants. About 1000% better than the BK, as the bun is fluffy and tasty...they also make use of veggies that actually look and taste like veggies!

                                                                                              1. Because if they did, they would be disgusting anyway.

                                                                                                1. I recently wrote to McD's about why they don't offer a Veggie Burger. Here's their reply:

                                                                                                  At McDonald's, we're sensitive to the special dietary requests of our customers. We're always reviewing our menu, developing new products and searching for ways to satisfy the many tastes of the nearly 50 million customers we serve each day. Ultimately, however, it's our customers who choose what's on our menu. And, we'll continue to offer those products that are most popular with a majority of our customers.

                                                                                                  Please know that we have tested several veggieburgers and other vegetarian menu options in different parts of the United States and, at this time, have chosen not to offer them on our national menu. We will, however, continue to look at these products and make decisions that make sense from a customer interest and sales perspective.
                                                                                                  **********

                                                                                                  Basically, they're just not popular enough for McD's. Too bad. I'll just have to stick to the BK Veggie, then.

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                                                                                                  1. re: veggin

                                                                                                    As much as it would be nice for McD's to have veggie burgers, if they're not selling, then it isn't economically viable for them to keep making them.

                                                                                                    1. re: LulusMom

                                                                                                      How would we know they would not sell? I'm curious to know the BK Veggie sales numbers. They've been on the menu at BK for a long time. They must be selling well enough to keep them on the menu.

                                                                                                      1. re: veggin

                                                                                                        BK uses Gardenburgers. I mean, how difficult is it to stock a frozen veggie burger. C'mon! Maybe McD's was referring to the effort of coming up with their own? Either way, I don't think I would get one there.

                                                                                                        1. re: Science Chick

                                                                                                          They use Morningstar burgers which can be (and are, at BK) nuked.

                                                                                                          1. re: MplsM ary

                                                                                                            All the burgers at McD's are nuked. They use a staging system: the meat is precooked and kept in a cabinet, the buns are pretoasted. Then they're put together, with condiments, and nuked.

                                                                                                            1. re: veggin

                                                                                                              No, they don't microwave their burgers. They cook them on a two-sided griddle (like a sandwich press) and then store them in a holding cabinet at temperature for no more than fifteen minutes:

                                                                                                              http://mcd.manitowocfsusa.com/product...

                                                                                                              Say what you will about McDonald's but they have their food delivery down to a science. Quick and consistent.

                                                                                                              1. re: ferret

                                                                                                                I worked at McD's. They do use a "Clam Shell" (2 sided) grill to cook the patties, but the burgers are later put in a microwave called a "Q" oven (or Q-ing them)

                                                                                                                Check for yourself:

                                                                                                                http://shared.whirlpoolcorp.com/asset...

                                                                                                        2. re: veggin

                                                                                                          I think they are basically saying, in the email above, that they tried, they didn't end up selling, so it wasn't a good business decision. If they take up space and don't sell, they need to make a decision, and unfortunately for those of us who would like a veggie burger, they are going to base that decision on $$. Taking up space and not selling doesn't = $$.

                                                                                                    2. red robin offers two vegetarian varieties -

                                                                                                      1. Because most people who are looking for a veggie burger are trying to eat healthy food, and that isn't the image that the national burger chains, especially the fast food chains, have.

                                                                                                        In other words most (not all) people who want a veggie burger wouldn't be caught dead in a McDonalds and would only drive thru in a rented car with heavily tinted windows.

                                                                                                        1. Fatburger just opened in nyc, they are also on west coast and i had their boca burger the other day- it was horrible!! Huge, really thick- like twice as thick as the ones you buy at the market, and they really seriously overcooked the hell out of it.
                                                                                                          In short, maybe the veggie burger testing by bigger chains has failed because they are not cooking the patties properly and turning off the small group of supporters they once had....

                                                                                                          1. Not in the USA yet, but probably coming soon Dominos Vegan Pizza.

                                                                                                            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2...

                                                                                                            I wouldn't want a USA verison of Domino's soy pizza - it probably be a Monsanto's science project. Avoid the GMO's

                                                                                                            1. On principle I would not buy anything in McDonalds regardless and I don't know of a true vegan/vegetarian that would either.

                                                                                                              1. There is the Burger King Veggie Burger, but I find that it's not very tasty. If my option is Burger King, or another restaurant, I almost always opt for the other restaurant (even if it requires two stops for me and my boyfriend, who adores Burger King).

                                                                                                                Years and years ago Wendy's offered pitas, and I remember being obsessed with the Greek pita (which was a basic greek salad in a pita). I also used to love the Jack in the Box salads, back when the chicken was packed separately. It would be great to see fast food places embrace more veggie friendly alternatives such as this.

                                                                                                                1. I was in Japan recently, and went to a local burger chain called Mos Burger. Their veggie burger turned out to be a corn fritter on a bun, and it was delicious! (Served with mayo, lettuce, tomato, onion, etc). I think that as a rule veggie burgers do better if they don't try to imitate meat in taste or appearance.