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What can I use in place of chipotle chiles in Tacos al Pastor?

CindyJ Apr 29, 2012 08:30 AM

Let me start off by saying I'm not looking for something to replicate the taste of the chipotle; I'm looking for something to fill the gap in the recipe.

I just don't like chipote chiles. More specifically, I enjoy the heat of a good jalepeno but I don't care for foods that are smokey. Chipotles in adobo sauce are easily found in my local grocery stores, so it's not that I can't find it. I just don't want to use it.

I'll be making Tacos al Pastor, following the Epi recipe http://www.epicurious.com/recipes/foo... There are chipotles in both the marinade and the salsa. Are there other chiles, either fresh, dried or reconstituted, that can serve as a good substitute? Or should I just omit the chipotles and not worry about a substitute? Thanks!

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  1. todao RE: CindyJ Apr 29, 2012 08:50 AM

    I'd probably use Jalapenos. I realize that the Chipotle is actually a smoked dry red Jalapeno but I think you'll find it has better flavor and isn't as hot as the Chipolte.

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      CindyJ RE: todao Apr 29, 2012 08:57 AM

      I assume you mean fresh jalapenos.

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        todao RE: CindyJ Apr 29, 2012 09:03 AM

        Yes, fresh is (IMO) always best. But if you can't find 'em fresh you could use the canned variety. You could also just add a couple of spoonfulls of canned green chilis. paulj makes a good point, however. For what they add to the recipe, you could probably just as well omit them.

    2. paulj RE: CindyJ Apr 29, 2012 08:59 AM

      Omit them. That recipe only calls for 1 or 2, just enough to give a hint of smokiness and some heat. Depending on your heat tolerance, that 1/4c of guajillo may provide enough heat. Or use jalepeno to taste.

      In Mexico City, shops slice this meat from a gyro like stack. Imitations like this recipe are characterized by the use of pineapple and onion. Otherwise they are like other pork taco fillings.

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        chefj RE: paulj Apr 29, 2012 10:41 AM

        In the D.F Pineapples are very common to see roasting on the top of the spit and basting the the meat with it juices and small pieces are nicked off into the taco as well.
        Not to mention that there are many different marinades some of which use pineapple juice to sweeten and tenderize.
        I would suggest adding some ground chili ancho and chili pasilla for some smokey and sweet notes. A roasted tomato to replace the tomato in the adobo sauce.

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          Soul Vole RE: chefj Apr 29, 2012 04:58 PM

          Yes, pineapple is de rigeur in Mexico City. If you ask for your tacos "con todo" that means a sliver or two of pineapple with onion and cilantro.

          To the OP if you want traditional al pastor flavor I'd leave the chipotles out anyway, as I doubt that they're often used in the marinade. Indeed I just looked up about half a dozen recipes in Spanish and only one included chipotles. A mix of guajillo and ancho seems common, and in a couple of cases pasilla. If you can get them whole, do so. Just deseed and devein, briefly toast them in a hot skillet, soak in hot water for 15-20 minutes, and blend. You might want to strain if there are little bits of tough skin left.

          And if it's traditional al pastor flavor you want I wouldn't use fresh chiles. That's taking things in a very different direction.

          You might also include some achiote paste, but curiously the recipes that Google coughed up didn't include it. I'd always heard it was a standard ingredient but maybe not?

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            chefj RE: Soul Vole Apr 29, 2012 05:31 PM

            Achiote is really only common in the Yucat√°n and adjacent areas, you are right that some use it in the Al Pastor marinade for color more than flavor but it is not traditional.

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              paulj RE: chefj Apr 29, 2012 07:15 PM

              Some trace 'al pastor' to Lebanese immigrants, and Merida, Yucatan is the city most influenced by this group.
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                chefj RE: paulj Apr 30, 2012 04:56 PM

                I believe that it is Puebla in the state of Puebla is the ground zero for the Al Pastor style not Merida.

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                CindyJ RE: chefj Apr 30, 2012 06:04 AM

                Interestingly enough, Rick Bayless' recipe for Tacos al Pastor calls for achiote paste. http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/vie...

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                  chefj RE: CindyJ Apr 30, 2012 04:41 PM

                  Rick goes his own way often and he loves the Yucateco Style. He also calls for chipotle as does your recipe which is not traditional( though you find folks who use it )in DF which is considered the place for Al Pastor.

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                    CindyJ RE: chefj May 2, 2012 07:14 AM

                    I must admit, I'm unfamiliar with most of the abbreviated places in this thread. Where is DF?

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                      paulj RE: CindyJ May 2, 2012 07:26 AM

                      Calling Mexico City, DF is like calling Washington, DC.

              3. re: Soul Vole
                paulj RE: Soul Vole Apr 29, 2012 07:22 PM

                I suspect the OP recipe used chipotle either because it is a fad, or because the author wanted to imitate the smokiness that gyro grill might add.

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                  Soul Vole RE: paulj Apr 29, 2012 11:13 PM

                  Yeah that's what I was thinking. But al pastor in DF doesn't have a particularly smoky flavor. Most vendors use gas but even at El Tizoncito, where they use charcoal, I don't taste a particular smokiness. Roasty, yes (when it's good), but smoky, not in my experience.

                  As for the achiote, I'm suspecting that might be some misinformation being spread around. Al pastor certainly doesn't have the deep red of a Yucatecan pollo pibil. The dried chiles would be enough to give it its red tint.

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            mojoeater RE: CindyJ Apr 29, 2012 09:04 AM

            If you want the heat without the smokiness, you could use a few squirts of sriracha in the marinade. For the salsa, use grilled jalapenos or whatever peppers you like. I would not forgo peppers altogether as they seem to add a lot to that recipe.

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              CindyJ RE: mojoeater Apr 29, 2012 09:16 AM

              GRILLED jalapenos! I really like that idea. I'll be grilling the meat and pineapple, so the jalapenos can go right on the grill. I might even do serranos instead. Jalapenos have been unpredictable in these parts lately, ranging all over the place in heat level. Serranos are more predictably hot.

            2. 1POINT21GW RE: CindyJ Apr 29, 2012 11:03 PM

              Do you have any smoked paprika?

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                magiesmom RE: 1POINT21GW Apr 30, 2012 05:09 AM

                OP does not like smokiness.

              2. CindyJ RE: CindyJ Apr 30, 2012 06:02 AM

                Thanks to everyone for your insights and suggestions. The tacos I made last night might not be considered Tacos al Pastor by purists, but they were very good, nevertheless.

                I marinated the meat in the puree from the Epicurious recipe, with a couple of modifications. In place of the chipotles I used a couple of roasted serranos, and I omitted the pineapple from the marinade, as suggested in a few of the reviews on Epi. I grilled the meat slices along with pineapple rings and thick slices of red onion, chopped it all into chunks and that was the filling.

                I made two salsas to accompany the tacos. The first was a variation of the Smoky Two Chile Salsa on Epi. But again, I used roasted serranos in place of the chipotles. The other was a fresh tomatillo salsa http://www.rickbayless.com/recipe/vie....

                So it was a delicious, if labor-intensive meal (I had also made some fresh guacamole to snack on with tortilla chips before dinner). Like most other dishes, this one was just fine with the substitutions made for personal preferences.

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